#camren timeline

[stuckinapatriarchalbullshitland]

Singing Only Told The Moon.

"I love that song. It's a really beautiful song. It's like when you love SOMEONE and you don't want to say it. To yourself. I was seventeen when I wrote the song".

Also, Camila on Used To This

17, when we were startin' to fall

2014-1997=17 🤭

Meaning or theory? Camren got official in 2014 and "curiously" in 2015 the fucking saga started aka Showmila. Coincidence?

I got an entire short timeline for the girls....

[camrensrealbish]

Hello, hope you are doing well, I have a theory.

Remember when Camila said she had sex for the first time with that old dumbfuck idiot?(LMFAO). Anyways, this makes sense. Not because it is true of course not, it’s false because 1) that was PR 2) Camila will never fall for his dumbass 3) Camren was actually together during the PR ( AMA, 2018! And number of indirects which were not coincidental) 4) this is subjective because I believe Camila is a lesbian. It makes sense because the narrative made by her team is that she was never in love before Matthew and then again changed it to Shawn( lmfao, they can’t keep it consistent) C being a romantic hopeless fell in love with Matthew and “gave her virginity to him” (🤮) and then she always had a crush on Shawn and ended up being with him after dumping Matthew. That didn’t work out, she tried to move on with a dude who made an app or something (don’t know don’t care) Shawn and C tried again didn’t work out again because he is a person who needs help( lmfao, he does need help with singing especially) and now is in a era of basically just being happy with herself and exploring.

Now, this is interesting(I think), basically the narrative is saying she didn’t explore her sexuality until she was 20( funny how it also destroy the myth of those leaked texts between her and Michael from 5sos) this could be potentially used when she will come out of the closet. Saying, “ I am exploring my sexuality now and I discovered I like women too so I am bi/ pan(whatever her team thinks suits her better)” this also just proves( at least for the GP) there was nothing between Camren back in the band days (sure, Jan), leading to the future where they could come out as a couple without exposing their past. (If they are still together) . I believe this for one more reason as recently in an interview, Lauren said “I was the only queer in the group….AS FAR AS I KNOW” I think it is self explanatory why that is important. Another thing is how much Gaymila has been out. I could be wrong, but then again nothing is coincidence with these two. What do you think?

😅😅 he does need help with singing especially 😭

I love you 😅

Thanks for submitting this, I had a great time reading it. And yes, I think your theory is correct.

Speaking of one more thing that doesn't make sense in this timeline, Camila wrote "Camila" before Matthew. She sings about sex there, and not in a metaphorical sense or whatever nonsense they are trying to call it now, and I'm pretty sure she was talking about it in interviews at the time (Zach Sang interview if I'm not mistaken).

Coming back to your ask, they've been covering the grounds in case she decides to come out one day since 2019. They can keep advising her against it, but ultimately they can't stop her from coming out if she decides to do soq. So they made sure it doesn't turn against them (Epic, managers, etc.) when she does. Lauren saying multiple times by now that there might be other 5H members who weren't queer back then but might be now (literally why would you say that 😅) is a big clue for us that they're planning for this eventuality that Camila might come out.

I think she's a lesbian too, but if/when she does come out it will be as bi, to fit all her PRs and everything people know about her so far into this story. And this way it's less risky too, because it doesn't alienate straight people as much 🙄. They really care about seeing themselves represented in media 🙄🙄🙄.

The thing is, I'm not so certain she wants to come out anymore. She definitely doesn't seem as keen on it as she used to be. But I truly hope she does one day, simply because I'd like to see it 🥹.

[darknesss-girll]

you're stuck in my head

and I can't get you out of it

If I could do it all again

I know I'd go back to you 🔗💙

[camren-timeline]

The Camila Dilemma Show

When: 31 May 2017

What: Camila gives advice on secretly being in love with your friend, trying to make long distance relationships work, what to do when your girlfriend is afraid of coming out, and more.

Camila goes live from London on Dan Wootton’s Facebook on 31 May 2017 to answer dilemmas and problems submitted by fans. She provides really in-depth answers.

Some highlights

2:14 How do you re-fall in love with singing and songwriting and music again after being in a dark place?

3:51 How do you learn to let go of someone who is not necessarily good for you anymore?

10:32 We, as the fandom, need to know what the whispers in “I Have Questions” officially are, and when will we get the next single?

12:44 My girlfriend wants our relationship a secret because she’s afraid of coming out. Can you give me insights or advice on what to do?

13:55 I’m secretly in love with a friend and I’m too scared to do anything about it.

15:26 I am in love with someone but we are long distance. How can we make our relationship not die?

Loose transcripts

How do you re-fall in love with singing and songwriting and music again after being in a dark place?

For a while I was in such a dark place that I feel like I didn’t know how to confront my emotions and that’s kind of why I stopped songwriting. After stopping for like 6 months, honestly it was hard to pick it back up and write again. My thing is it’s always easy for me to do melodies. I can always do melodies but I feel like lyrics can only flow out of me if I’m actually going through something at the time because then I don’t run out of ideas, because I’m kind of just talking. I’m just feeling. It was definitely hard to pick it back up until “I Have Questions” happened, which felt like the first time that I really started to open up again about what I was going through. So basically from that song on, music just became my saviour. It was really helping me reconnect with myself again and it was really helping me talk about what I was going through instead of keeping it in. And that’s what got me through it. Music is the most therapeutic thing, in my opinion. Or any form of art or self-expression can make you re-fall in love with your passion, with life, with everything.

How do you learn to let go of someone who is not necessarily good for you anymore?

I think it depends on what kind of relationship it is. I’ve been in a situation where it was a romantic relationship where the person was not good for me anymore, as in, I knew that it wasn’t going to last. But it was so much fun and so amazing at the time that I was like ok, this is worth this memory, this is worth the kind of passionate “thing”, even though I know that this is not gonna last for a long time. So in that case I kind of knew what I was getting into, but sometimes you have to decide if it’s worth it or not in a romantic situation.

In a friendship situation and just people that are toxic: I definitely feel like the best thing to do is just be like “Honestly, I need to take care of myself”, because once you’re in a toxic relationship with somebody like that it can really start to scar you for a long time. And you know there are people that try to just kind of put you down or people that have this negative energy that’s just meant to drown you. Those are the kind of people that I feel like you have to cut off as soon as possible because it starts to affect the way that you see yourself and you start to see yourself through that person’s eyes - which is really unhealthy because it can definitely take a long time to recover from that. So as hard as it is, whilst causing the least damage as possible, try to just be honest with the person and just be like “Hey, I really need to take care of myself in this situation, but I wish you the best.” And peace out. Don’t say “peace out”.

We, as the fandom, need to know what the whispers in “I Have Questions” officially are, and when will we get the next single?

The whispers in “I Have Questions” are:

“How do I fix it?” “Can we talk?” “Is it my fault?” “I’m afraid of you” “Do you miss me?”

I definitely have a song that I really want you guys to hear and that I really want to come out soon. But obviously a single is a big discussion between the label and whatever other boring stuff. There’s one song in particular that I’m really excited about - my favourites kind of change - but there’s one song that’s called “I’ll Never Be The Same” that I’m really excited about, that I feel describes “The Loving”. And that was actually about, tying into the first question, a boy that was not good for me. But I got a good song out of it.

My girlfriend wants our relationship a secret because she’s afraid of coming out. Can you give me insights or advice on what to do?

I feel- I mean that’s such a personal thing. I think that she’ll be ready to do that when she’s ready to do that, and I don’t think that you can push somebody because you never know what they’re going through. You don’t know what the relationship is like with her family. You don’t know how comfortable she is with it herself, maybe it’s new to her. I think that it’s important to just make sure that she feels supported, and just be like “Hey, I love you”. And hopefully she has a good support system that makes her feel accepted and loved. But I think that everybody probably comes out at their own time. All you can do is just make her feel supported and loved, and when she’s ready, she will do it. But I’ve learned that with stuff like that, in the meantime, all you can do is just love them. So yeah, just love her.

I’m secretly in love with a friend and I’m too scared to do anything about it.

I wonder if they know... because I feel when I like somebody it’s written all over my face. Honestly, life is too short and I’ve learned to not take that stuff too seriously because sometimes you never know. This person, you might be in love with them and you think that they’re so amazing, but you don’t really know what it’s like to be in a relationship with that person. What if you’re in a relationship with that person and it turns out they’re not the right fit for you? Don’t make it too much of a big deal because you really don’t know until you know. Don’t take it too seriously, you’re going to have so many people that you fall in love with during your lifetime, so many people that you have crushes on. And life is just about trying stuff, and being like “Hey, I like you” and just putting yourself out there. And if they like you too then be like “Ok, great”. And if they don’t, you’re going to find somebody you never know when. It could be the next day, it could be the next year. Everything happens when it’s supposed to though. But never let fear keep you from jumping into something that could be beautiful. So just take the jump, just do it. Say it. Let them know.

I am in love with someone but we are long distance. How can we make our relationship not die?

I know that long distance is probably hard, but I feel like there’s something romantic about it because you’re not seeing each other for a lot of the time. But when you do see each other, there’s so much anticipation built up and so much fantasising and so much stuff in your head, that when you do see them you guys are probably so excited to see each other and it makes your time that much more valuable. I feel like when you’re away from something and then you get just a little taste of it, it just makes you savour that so much more. In the meantime, just be very romantic, and remember that the biggest sexual organ is the brain. Oh my god, was that bad? Just saying sweet stuff to somebody and just cultivating that emotional side of it is really the most important thing. And you can still do that long distance even if it’s hard. And if it’s not meant to be, then it won’t be meant to be.

[sol-luna9697]

😍😍😍

Camren Timeline

Okay, it’s time to draw a real timeline to try to understand the Camren connections. Our trip begins in August/September of 2012. It was at this time that Camila and Lauren met each other at The X-Factor.

The rumors were growing during the show due to an intense friendship between Camila Cabello and Lauren Jauregui.

Let’s begin their love timeline…

1 - Lauren Jauregui & Keaton Stromberg

First Headline: November 8, 2012. (LINK)

At the time both were denying the “relationship” and Keaton was the 1rst to assume it in May of 2013. (Interview below)

Lauren just assumed in June of 2014. (Interview Below)

Okay, now let’s remember some facts about that same time.

EPIC interview from December 2012 when the interviewer asks Lauren who she’s gonna kiss under the mistletoe and Camila says “MEEEEE”…

Full interview HERE. (01:39)

We all know well the most famous Camren look.

Let’s take a look at it…

I don’t want to make you believe that Camren is/was real, I’m just organizing the dates of the facts. What we Camren Shippers noticed, was that the looks between them began to get more and more intense and that look in this image above was of a twitcam they did in March of 2013.

Again… I’ll make clear that the purpose of this timeline isn’t to convince anyone about what we believe but to “study” the timeline of the Camren relationship. In these pictures below we already notice that something different was happening between them.

Let’s remember what Lauren said before that look?? She was reading some asks and she didn’t read the question out loud, she just answered “Fall, by Ed Sheeran”… and then she looked at Camila like that.

The video is HERE. (01:40)

Now let’s check out the lyrics…

You can watch that scene and all the others best Camren moments in twitcams-> HERE

To summarize, they met in August 2012, rumors with Keaton took place during the show that was over in December 2012. In May 2013 Keaton assumed to had already dated Lauren and also had already confirmed that they broke up.

At this twitcam, in March 2013 we’ve already seen one of the strongest signs of involvement between Camren. The look! (This live stream they did has several Camren moments that are also strong and the link is HERE if you want to watch it.)

Camren at the same time…

Other interesting and well-known interactions at the time are those of the “Text, Tweet & Telephone” videos. In practically all those videos Camila and Lauren appear together and always very affectionate with each other. Remembering that these videos were all being recorded during the X-Factor contest between September and December 2012.

Let’s check out some of these interactions:

If you wanna watch all the videos the link is HERE.

Still talking about 2013, there was also others twitcams made by them during the year where we could see more intimacy between Camila and Lauren. Let’s check this out…

Twitcam - Feb/2013 (LINK)

Lauren reading some random tweet: “Camila is Ezra because Lauren is Ari…oh, sorry!”

Twitcam - Aug/2013 (LINK)

They did a few more twitcams but the most relevant are the ones mentioned above. Throughout 2012 and 2013, the relationship between Camila and Lauren seemed very close and apparently, they were fine. 

December 2012

The cute moment Camren at Christmas interview:

Full video-> HERE (01:00)

Let’s check out their friendship based on Lauren’s Instagram.

2012

2013

February 2013

Always together. - Full video-> HERE

February 2013

The “touch”:

Full video-> HERE

While Fifth Harmony was doing a cover of “Thinking About You” by Frank Ocean, some interesting things happened:

(00:51) - Camila goes with her arm behind Ally’s back waiting for Lauren’s hand:

And Lauren corresponds to her:

Then we have a happy Camila and a very confused Lauren looking at happy Camila:

(OMG I’m laughing so hard now that I’m doing this…because this is real AS FUCK!)

May 2013

They had a “fight” in the middle of a game interview. Link-> HERE (3:52)

Camila: I tried salmon!

Ally’s reaction was like: “they’re really doing this here? In front of the camera???”

April 2013

It’s very important to remember that in 2013 Fifth Harmony began to sing the cover of “Red, by Taylor Swift” and we got the best photos/videos of Lauren looking at Camila.

Full video-> HERE

In this video, we can see Camila and Lauren looking at each other through the piano reflection.

July 2013

Fifth Harmony singing Red - Full video-> HERE

And how you can see, Lauren lost her shit while Camila was singing her verse.

August 2013

Fifth Harmony singing Red - Full video-> HERE

Lauren showing love with her eyes:

August 2013

Fifth Harmony singing Red - Full video-> HERE

OMG, Lauren….How can I defend you after that?

August 2013

Fifth Harmony singing Red - Full video->  HERE

How they used to look and smile at each other:

You can see more of these moments in this post-> “Touching Him Was Like”. (They are all from the same era.)

August 2013

Lauren to Camila: “Cause you’re a baby…” - Full video-> HERE

August 2013

Fifth Harmony was visiting a Radio and some interesting things happened like:

Full video-> HERE

The cute look (01:38):

The intimacy (03:10) - Lauren with her hands on Camila’s leg:

September 2013

This video you can see Camila crying while sang “Who Are You” and Lauren tries to make eye contact with her, but she doesn’t ever look at Lauren. Link-> (HERE)

Camila had no rumors of dating at this time (just Camren getting bigger)… she was really sad and emotional. I think Camren were having problems in their “paradise” with Lauren not accepting herself or with their management. (Rumors about Camila dating guys started in 2014)

November 2013

Fifth Harmony dropped the “Who Are You” video live and Camren seems very sad/emotional, mostly Lauren:

Full video-> HERE

(3:49) at the end you can see Lauren trying to smile and then she looks at Camila:

This isn’t a theory, is a fact!

December 2013

Interviewer: Describe Lauren in one song. Camila: Your beautiful eyes stares right into mine. Lauren: That was nice. Camila: I know. I love your eyes. Lauren: I love you!

Full video-> HERE (4:30)

More Camren moments:

Continua a leggere

[cashleybenson]

listen we been knew but camila’s latest narrative - implying that matthEW was her first real relationship, literally makes absolutely no sense

how are the general public falling for this??

if she was “basically single for 20 years” or “single for EVER” who the hell were all those ‘first love’ type of lyrics on her first album written about?

aSLO

WHO THE HELL COULD THIS LYRIC BE ABOUT THEN...

“I could get used to this (Seventeen when we started to fall, but we lost it all)”

@CAMILA’S PR TEAM

AT LEAST DO A BETTER JOB WITH YOUR FAKE TIMELINE PEOPLE!!

[playmaker0810]

you have to be in the fandom long enough to understand emisonme’s recent post. it can be confusing to some who’s new in the fandom or wasn’t in the fandom during those moments.

[mazes-and-the-madness]

FAMILIA: A Camren Analysis

Hey everyone, I’m back with another Camren lyrical analysis. I didn’t expect my PRELUDE post to take off the way that it did, so why not also write one for Familia? First off, I just want to say a few things about the album.

I LOVE Familia. It has zero skips- not a single one. It’s by far the most listenable of Camila’s albums in the sense that I can put it on and just vibe to the music. The majority of Camila is sad breakup songs, and Romance is such an emotional roller coaster of “I hate you, I love you, I hate you again, also let’s get married.” For this reason, I’ve only listened to it twice all the way through from start to finish in the 2+ years it’s been out. Don’t get me wrong, I love songs that get me in my feelings, but can’t listen to a whole album of them on repeat. Overall, my ranking of Camila’s albums is 1. Romance 2. Camila 3. Familia, though I really do love them all.

Compared to Camila’s other albums, Familia possesses certain standout qualities. As always, Camila impresses with her vocal talent, and in my opinion, Familia has the best production of all her albums. But I feel like lyrically, this was her weakest album. That’s not to say the lyrics were bad by any means, just that there were no songs on Familia that could compare to Living Proof, Used to This, and of course, Consequences.

Still, Familia is Camila’s most mature album yet. Just like several other artists, she predominantly writes about love and romance, but now dares to explore edgier topics on Familia, such as politics and gender equality (Lola) and her mental health and anxiety (psychofreak). Camila’s music has previously incorporated Latin influences, but in Familia she fully embraces the Spanish language and Latin pop, a genre which suits her quite well. Take notes, Yogurt King: this is how to evolve as an artist instead of just doing the same thing over and over. 

Speaking of the circus, I knew it would feature throughout this album. I feel like for Romance, Camila wrote her truth and her team tried to make the songs about “Shawn,” but due to narrative and timeline inconsistencies, this explanation was like trying to force a square peg into a round hole. Unfortunately, this time around it looks like Camila had to write some songs specifically FOR the PR. On Familia, we get some stunt lyrics on songs like Boys Don’t Cry and everyone at this party, and full-on stunt songs like Bam Bam and (maybe) Celia. I didn’t love the PR aspect of the album, but you can’t deny they’re good songs. 

I also think that Familia is her straightest album yet. Even if you had no idea who the hell Lauren Jauregui was, you could tell that a lot of songs on Camila and Romance were extremely queer-coded (Shameless, Liar, Señorita). Since there’s none of that on Familia, we have to rely on our own knowledge as Camila’s fans to do a queer analysis of this album because sadly, not everything can be as obvious as “mmm green eyes,” “black leather jacket,” or “La Cienega, where I remember you.” I’m not saying that these songs are definitely 100% ~no doubt~ about Lauren- just that if they are, here’s how I see them fitting into the Camren saga. 

1. La Buena Vida/Don’t Go Yet

The weird thing about Camila’s explanation for Don’t Go Yet is that in a Genius interview, she said that the song was mostly from SHAWN’S perspective. This doesn’t make sense for a couple of reasons. One, he had a different girlfriend at the time. Two, Camila and Shawn were never in a real relationship. Even if we assume that they were, would she have us believe that Shawn was the one who “wore this dress for a lil’ drama?” I mean, maybe if it was giving Cher… Anyway, just hear me out. *puts on clown costume* *applies clown makeup* *laces up clown shoes* What if… she wrote the song from Lauren’s perspective? 

Think about it. Lauren said Expectations was about a partner having zero time for her because of work. In La Buena Vida and Don’t Go Yet, Camila sings from the perspective of someone who’s facing this exact same problem. Between Cinderella, Familia, and carrying Yogurt King’s career, Camila’s schedule has been booked and busy for the past 2+ years, and it’s only natural for Lauren to feel neglected. If this theory is right, Camila writing Don’t Go Yet and La Buena Vida shows us that Camren has grown up and can now have a mature conversation about their problems. Camila going from struggling with serious communication issues to writing a song from Lauren’s perspective to truly show that she understands her emotions? Now that’s what I call character development.

Lyrical Parallels: 

“I’m alone on my sofa bed” (LBV, Camila) // “up in bed, all alone, wondering where you’ve been” (Expectations, Lauren)

“why am I home alone with your glass of wine?” (LBV, Camila) // “I’ve been waiting here all night for you to warm me up and you haven’t once thought of me” (Expectations, Lauren)

“finally we’re here, so why sayin’ you got a flight, need an early night? no, don’t go yet” // (DGY, Camila) // “you should be here, should be with me tonight, ‘stead you’re working, you’re working all the time” (LBV, Camila) // “knowing very well that you told me you’d come home, and it happens every time” (Expectations, Lauren)

“I don’t wanna be the one making plans all the time, asking you what’s on your mind” (LBV, Camila) // “all I need from your side is for you to communicate” (Expectations, Lauren) // “you got a lot on your mind that you wanna say, but you haven’t made the time to communicate” (Let Me Know, Lauren)

Come on, such blatant parallels are essentially plagiarism on Camila’s part.

2. Quiet

Because of the production and the lyrics, I view this song as a more upbeat version of Dream of You and All These Years combined. While waiting for Lauren to come over, Camila’s mind is racing with nerves, anxiety, and insecurity, but all these negative thoughts and feelings disappear once they’re finally together. Sure, she said “boy,” but that doesn’t bother me at all. Camila has used male pronouns in the past, but the lyrics somehow always fit Lauren better than any of Camila’s public boyfriends. Quiet closely parallels All These Years,  a song which is impossible to connect to Shawn (again, for narrative and timeline reasons). And I know I’m not the only one who instantly connected “back of the car” to the London car kiss. Finally, let’s be real: no straight woman is this obsessed with their partner’s hands, and the word “gorgeous” suits a woman much more than a man.

Lyrical Parallels: 

“did you get taller? your hair is longer, couple tattoos since I saw ya” (Quiet, Camila) // “your hair’s grown a little longer, your arms look a little stronger” (All These Years, Camila) 

“my mind’s made so much noise for so long and it’s gone ‘cause when you kiss me, it’s quiet” (Quiet, Camila) // “you take the psycho out of my brain” (No Doubt, Camila) // “feeling like a psychofreak sometimes” (psychofreak, Camila) 

3. Boys Don’t Cry

As @emisonme so wisely said, just remove the male pronouns and the overall song is about desperately wanting your partner to open up to you. Like I said in my PRELUDE analysis, Camila has written multiple songs begging Lauren to open up (Inside Out, In the Dark, Shameless), and BDC is no different. When Lauren is struggling, she has a tendency to shut Camila out, but all Camila wants is for Lauren to just tell her what’s wrong so she can help, just as Lauren has done so many times for her. For fuck’s sake, Lauren’s the firstborn daughter in an immigrant family. If I had to guess, she was most likely conditioned for years to shove aside or deny her own feelings altogether so as not to be a “burden” to anyone. Although Familia is largely about Lauren helping Camila heal from her own trauma, Camila finally has the chance to return the favor in BDC. Regardless of who the song is about, the message of BDC is highly important, and I’m glad Camila included it on the album.

Lyrical Parallels: 

“I know you got demons from the past slowin’ you down-down-down” (BDC, Camila) // “show me your demons, and I’ll show you mine” (Living Proof, Camila) // “tear-stained face, I can’t face these demons all alone, they don’t like me” (Scattered, Lauren)

“when I’m afraid of the world, when every part of me hurts, you don’t know how many times you’ve saved me” (BDC, Camila) // “where did you come from, baby? and were you sent to save me?” (Living Proof, Camila)

“you’re just human right now” (BDC, Camila) // “ ‘cause I’m only human” (Falling, Lauren)

“so why you hidin’ from me, it’s only makin’ it worse” (BDC, Camila) // “and I don’t know why I always try to hide it, oh I can’t fight it any more than you can” (Falling, Lauren)

“When I’m afraid of the world, when every part of me hurts, you don’t know how many times you’ve saved me” is exactly how I feel about the Camren girls, and I’m sure many of you can say the same.

4. Hasta Los Dientes/No Doubt

These two songs could be about the Laucy situation in 2015-2016. In Hasta Los Dientes, Camila is crazy about Lauren, but can’t stop thinking about her with Lucy even though she knows the PR stunt is fake. We all know that both Camren girls are the jealous type, and Camila has zero desire to share Lauren. Not with any of her PR boyfriends, and definitely not with Lucy, who because of this song I now believe had some sort of romantic history with Lauren. Although Camila understands that Laucy is the best way to bring Lauren out of the closet without exposing Camren and tanking Camila’s soon-to-be solo career, it hurts her to know that Lauren is hanging out with her ex. At the end of the day, Camila knows that Lauren is still hers, and has every intention of ensuring that Lucy knows the same.

No Doubt has Camila obsessing over the possibility of Lauren genuinely falling for Lucy, especially given their history and how Lucy probably had a crush on Lauren at the time of the song (I mean, who wouldn’t?). But just as in Quiet, all these doubts, fears, and insecurities disappear the second Lauren touches Camila, with Lauren making sure Camila knows just how loved she is. Compared to how Camila has sung about Lauren’s commitment issues in the past (Should’ve Said It, Feel It Twice, This Love, Señorita), No Doubt marks a clear turning point in their relationship with Lauren proving that she is fully committed to Camila and only Camila. 

Lyrical Parallels:

“hasta dormida te imagino con ella” / “even when I’m asleep, I imagine you with her” (HLD, Camila) // “seeing visions on the ceiling, drunken kisses, heavy breathing, you’re up against the wall, she’s unbuttoning your jeans and you tell her that you want it all” (No Doubt, Camila)

“no es tu culpa lo que me hace sentir” / “it’s not your fault what you make me feel” (HLD, Camila) // “you’re not guilty, I’m hyper vigilant” (No Doubt, Camila)

“you take the psycho out of my brain” (No Doubt, Camila) //  “feeling like a psychofreak sometimes” (psychofreak, Camila) // “my mind’s made so much noise for so long and it’s gone ‘cause when you kiss me, it’s quiet” (Quiet, Camila) 

“and I can see it in your eyes when you slow down” (No Doubt, Camila) // “dale lento, tócamela más lento” / “go slow, touch me more slowly” (Lento, Lauren)

“I’m getting bad again, ‘cause when shit is getting good I just spiral into bad again” (No Doubt, Camila) // “you tell me that I overthink ‘til I ruin a good thing” (Easy, Camila)

5. Lola

I believe Camila’s explanation that this song is about a woman unable to follow her dreams due to the oppressive country she’s from, but that won’t stop me from drawing all the parallels to Lauren. First off, Lauren’s family and close friends sometimes refer to her as “Lolo.” Camila, you really think you’re slick by changing just one letter? Now let’s get into the actual lyrics.

1. “Lola was the smartest in the school, she was a supernova”

Lauren not only attended the elite private high school Carrollton School of the Sacred Heart on an academic scholarship, but she also maintained a 5.2 GPA, played on the varsity softball team, and wowed everyone with her musical talent. Damn, some people really are God’s favorite.

2. “she had a mind beyond her time, it was a thrill to know her”

How many times has Camila said the thing she loves most about Lauren is her mind (and vice versa)?

3. “she coulda walked on the moon, yeah, she coulda found us a cure // but family didn’t have no food and she had to leave school to work”

While Lauren’s family was by no means destitute, she and the other 5H girls largely came from working-class backgrounds. Lauren and Camila have even said that for them, college was out of the question without a scholarship. This is a big reason why Simon Cowell was able to exploit the girls so easily and get them to sign those unjust, restrictive, inhumane recording contracts, since he knew it was practically their only chance at a better life.

4. “Lola, she believed the world they promised her, now she’s older… nothing changes, this ain’t the dream they sold us” 

Here’s a Lauren quote from Billboard’s interview of 5H in May 2016: 

“They sell you this ­present of rainbows and butterflies, and as a 16-year-old that’s what I bought. It’s why I did X Factor and why I ended up in a group. But then you’re working so hard, so young. [Meanwhile] my friends are in college, ­telling me about their days and what they’re studying. You’re having to put on a smile on a red carpet. It’s like, ‘Who am I? Am I for myself or for this?’ ” 

Naive, optimistic sixteen-year-old Lauren happily signed that X Factor contract dreaming of fame, success, and superstardom, but had no idea about the long hours, insane schedules, nonstop recording/promo/touring, anxiety, depression, online hate, drug abuse, PR nonsense, forced closeting, and so much more that she was in for.

5. “nobody’s listening, so she won’t speak, won’t speak // all of those dreams are fading slowly, slowly… it’s just the way it is, so don’t speak, don’t speak”

Remember that leaked audio from December 2016 where Lauren says, "They're making decisions on a regular basis to fuck us over! To make us literal slaves! Literally slaves, Ally. We're doing fucking labor every day and we see nothing!" Because the industry doesn’t see Lauren as anything other than a money-making machine, she has no one to turn to when she’s struggling. Even if she tries to call out the ruthless industry executives, what can she do? They have all the power and she’s just some kid. So Lauren begins to doubt her talent as an artist and her self-worth as a person, questioning why she ever wanted this life in the first place.

The beauty of art is that it can be about multiple things at once. I wouldn’t be surprised if Camila’s explanation for the song was true, but she also drew inspiration from Lauren and her experiences.

6. everyone at this party

This song could have taken place after the Camren breakup in late 2016 or early 2017, shortly after Camila left 5H. I believe Camila initiated this breakup herself, partly because of the whole “I love you, but I love me more” scene in the Havana music video. Still, she can’t help but worry that Lauren has already moved on and no longer needs Camila in her life. “Did we waste two years?” could be referring to 2015-2016, Camren’s first attempt at an actual relationship after Lauren had finally accepted her sexuality and was willing to be with Camila for real. By all indications, this was still a dark time for them, inspiring songs like Expectations, Sorry, Consequences, and Something’s Gotta Give. In eatp, Camila searches for Lauren at every party, but ultimately knows that no one else will ever compare. 

Lyrical Parallels:

“and I just had this vision of you looking at me different when you saw this dress” (eatp, Camila) // “baby, don’t go yet, ‘cause I wore this dress for a lil’ drama” (Don’t Go Yet, Camila)

“and I’m having these thoughts, did we fuck it up or not, did we waste two years?” (eatp, Camila) // “it's already been two years, and I don't feel that you trust me like you should” (Sorry, Lauren) 

“and did you get the space you needed?” (eatp, Camila) // “respect for my time, respect for my space, respect for my energy” (Expectations, Lauren)

Final Rating: 7.5/10

Final Ranking*

11. Don’t Go Yet 

10. Bam Bam

9. La Buena Vida

8. Hasta Los Dientes

7. Lola

6. Celia

5. everyone at this party

4. Boys Don’t Cry

3. Quiet

2. No Doubt

1. psychofreak

*I excluded the intro, Familia, since that was just an instrumental track.

[theroleplayerchronicles]

Like if u save it, pls ♡

[emisonme]

Sorry.........................

Some find Sorry so damn confusing. For me, it's a pretty straight forward song, and it pinpoints the time frame. So, let's see if we can't hash this out, and make it more understandable.

First of all, people are supposed to think this song is either for "Allison" (Ty), or Lucy. The time frame, and everything else we know, just simply doesn't fit with either one of them. Let's see why not.

Sorry was written in 2018. She hadn't yet been with "Allison" for two years, unless it was written towards the end of 2018, and Lauren just rounded up the "two years". Plus, it's pretty safe to say, we can definitely rule that shit show out, because Lauren didn't even remember she was in a "relationship" with his ass. Oops!!!

Let's explore Lucy. Lauren said herself, in her latest being outed saga, that she had only been with Lucy for "about a year" when she was "outed". That happened in November of 2016. That "relationship" was paying dust by the end of January 2017. But, there is a different Laucy timeline, according to Lauren's coming out narrative. So, let's explore that one.

The coming out narrative is, Lauren fell in love with Lucy when she was 15 years old. That they had done some making out, but Lauren just couldn't accept that part of her truth, so she ran from her feelings. Okay, maybe. Let's keep going'

Lauren was 15 from June 27, 2011 to June 27, 2012. She did do that "unicorn and dragon" video in July (I believe) of 2011, so that could have been about her feelings for Lucy. But, she did go out of her way, to tell the fans that Camila was the "dragon". The truth is, and always will be, Lauren started the Camren ship, from top to bottom, and then she couldn't handle it afterwards. But, I digress.

Lucy moved back to the Island in February of 2012. Okay, that still works with the narrative of the song. Let's speculate, that Lauren tried to have a secret relationship with her Bff, and let's say that started towards the end of 2011, or the beginning of 2012. Then Lucy up and moves away, and they try to have a long distance relationship. That could most definitely explain the trust issues, and the "growing up apart, separate ways".

If they tried to have a LDR from 2012, that would have ended in first half of 2014, because that's when they became distant to one another. So, they were together, but Lucy was hearing about Camila and Lauren all the damn time. She was seeing how close they were, and seeing with her own eyes, how Lauren and Camila were constantly looking at each other, like the other hung the moon. Lucy's insecurities kicked in, and she couldn't trust Lauren's feelings for her anymore. That completely fits with the song, right?...Not so much, when you see everything else that was happening back then.

See, in 2012, before the X-Factor, Lauren was heartbroken all over her tumblr, about some guy that had dumped her. After that, before auditioning for the show, she was still all over tumblr saying she needed a damn boyfriend. Let us not forget, there was the whole Keaton thing, during the show.

That'a quite a bit to go against a LDR. But, if Lauren was trying to have an LDR with Lucy, at that time, then quite frankly, Lauren was giving Lucy every reason in the world, NOT to trust her. So, I think we can actually rule Lucy out, completely, for Sorry.

Let's see if there is another possibility. There was, as I said Keaton, but that didn't last long. There was Luis. That didn't last to long either. There was Brad, but that was a quick bust, as well. Who's left? Camila!!!

Now, there are so many different time lines for Camren, it's hard to keep them all straight. People think it's the two years from 2012-2014. Other think it's 2014-2016. Others have it at 2016-2018. Others have it, 2017-2019. It's quite a mess. So, how about we look to the lyrics themselves, to try and see which time line fits best.

We have two years. We have trust issues. We have insecurities.  We have growing apart, going separate ways. We have them "falling apart". We have one not wanting to break-up, but the other not wanting to fake it anymore. We have the on/off aspect. We have a lot to go by.

IN MY OPINION, the song fits best, with the time frame of 2014-2016. I think, back towards the end of 2014, is when Lauren decided to make a go of it with Camila. She was ready to accept her sexuality, put an end to the friends-with-benefits, and tell her parents about her sexuality, and her girlfriend... Then we have Camila leaving the group, at the end of 2016.

When was Camila's insecurities the worst? In 2015, and 2016. Her OCD was fucking with her bad. Lauren was hanging with Lucy, a lot, for her upcoming coming out narrative. Camila thought she could handle it, but those damn intrusive thoughts, and insecurities wouldn't stop fucking with her. She was having a hard time trusting Lauren. She even said, back then, she thought everyone was turning against her. (The damn team around them was helping those trust issues, and insecurities along.)

They were on/off in those two years. They would fight, break-up, and then they'd get back together again. They both needed to grow, internally, and figure their shit out. Even thought Lauren is placing the blame on Camila, in Sorry, the truth is, Lauren's own insecurities was getting the better of her, as well.

It's a toxic cycle, that needed to be broken. Lauren didn't want to have to try and make a LDR work. Lauren was needing to take time away, to work on her own shit. Camila needed to work on her own shit, but she didn't want to break-up, because she was afraid Lauren wouldn't come back...again.

You see, it was easy for them to fight, break-up, and make up when they were in the group, because they were always with each other. They could get their shit together, talk it out, and get back together. Being in the group, and in each other presence all the time, actually made their relationship more toxic. It made them become co-dependent on one another. (A co-dependent dance...I want that song)

Camila going solo, was actually one of the best things that could have happened for them...though it didn't feel like it at the time. They needed some real time apart, to check if their feeling were real, or needed because when they were always together, they couldn't help but feel like they needed to be together. They were that drawn to one another. That's some soulmate, twin flame shit right there.

Camila leaving the group scared the shit out of Lauren. Lauren was one of those people who thrived on feeling needed. But, at the same time, when someone seems to needy, it bugs the shit out of her. Like she can't breathe. If someone needed her, they loved her. If they didn't need her, they could easily leave her, or abandon her. That's one of the reasons she can be so damn controlling. She wants the person she's with to need her, but not so much that it becomes suffocating. Need me, love me, but give me my fucking space when I need it, damn it.

The problem is, Lauren wants that space when she needs it, not when the other person wants to give it to her. Expectations anyone. She expected that person to be there, when she wanted them there. If they didn't show up, there had to be some problem. All the scenarios that would run through her head. Where the fuck are they? Doing their own thing, so they don't suffocate you, damn it. See what I mean, by controlling. She does love control, after all.

Anyway, they were both afraid of, "growing up apart, separate ways", for different reasons. Camila was afraid, if they broke-up, Lauren wouldn't come back. Lauren was afraid, when Camila left, she wouldn't need her anymore, therefore wouldn't love her anymore, and would just leave her. There was only one way to protect herself from being hurt and abandoned. Lie!!!

So, at the end of 2016, Lauren blames Camila for her own insecurities, and break's up with her. It'll hurt. She'll miss her. But, she can't keep going in these circles, when she knows they are falling apart, so she's sorry, but she can't love her anymore. Yep, she controlled that shit, didn't she?

Lauren tried to tell Camila how she was feeling, but Camila wouldn't listen. Camila has her own version of what loving someone is. I can hear the conversation now. Lauren told Camila she needed some space to work on herself, and figure some shit out. When Camila hears the word space, she really hears the word break-up. Camila don't want to break-up. Camila said, what is there to figure out. I love you, we can work it out together. Lauren got frustrated, because Camila wasn't "listening" to her, and said fuck it, That's what Lauren does when she gets frustrated, and told Camila she couldn't do this shit anymore. Camila got frustrated, and said if you need your damn space, then just walk away. Lauren said, fine, I can't love you anymore, and did just that, walked away. Then Camila said, fuck this love, and went on to work on her damn solo career.

It didn't take Lauren long to realize the error of her ways. A few months later, she was telling Camila she still loves her, and asks for forgiveness. Camila was like, don't think so. I felt it once, I can't feel it twice, it's more than I can take, baby, it hurts me to tell you I don't feel the same. Until she seen Lauren, then all those feeling came rushing back, and she knew it was still her, even after all these years.

See how easy it is. It doesn't matter the year the song was written, or released, it's all connected to them. They are writing about the same experience, IN MY OPINION. I can literally make this a damn novel connecting everything, and it will make sense. I don't even have to use much imagination. All I have to do, is use their own words.

What else do we know. They were sharing a hotel room at the end of 2018. Lauren took a photo in Camila's house in September of 2019. Sorry was written in 2018. She wrote it about a past experience. It's in an EP called Prelude. Prelude is an introduction, or the beginning of a bigger story. That bigger story is supposed to come out next year. Camila will be telling us about her Familia next year. Her blood family, and her "CHOSEN FAMILY". Can't wait to hear them both, and parse out the little nuggets they leave us.

As always, I could be completely wrong. But, this is how my damn brain is connecting everything. If you don't believe they are together anymore, that's fine...But don't come at me saying how stupid I am for still believing in something, just because others don't. They are entitled to have their opinion, as I'm entitled to have mine... Have a good day/night!!!!!! !! !!!!

[fa-by]

Hi faby! So Like Friends Do and Closure leaked. Can you do an analysis? And when do you think they fit in camren timeline?

Hi to you too, dear Anon 👋🏼😄. Yeah, I know, they were leaked last night and I still have to emotionally recover because I'm still like this on the floor:

Especially because of Like Friends Do. And not just because it's a song I've been waiting for basically forever, but also because I didn't expect it to be like that at all. I didn't expect AT ALL the game of their two povs in reverse!!! That, made me even more dead:

All kidding aside now, yes, of course I can do the analysis and automatically tell you where they are in the timeline as well 😊. The only thing is that you'll have to wait for a while. I haven't fixed my computer yet because I couldn't find a good technician. In the meantime, I'm working anyway on a song analysis requested by an Anon (not really an Anon because they then introduced themselves to me; if you're reading, hi, K 👋🏼😁) despite my computer freezing every 10 minutes.

This was their ask. Sooo, you guys will have Only Told the Moon first because it's really long and because it's the first ask in my inbox, and then the Q&A with all the other asks. Maybe, most likely, I'll include your ask in that Q&A. Don't worry, my dear, I promise you'll have it. I always answer all my asks even if sometimes, for one reason or another, I do it late 🙃.

Have a good day, dear 🤗.

[stuckinapatriarchalbullshitland]

Sooooooo Stuck!!!

Hope your laughing as much as I am 😂

So no Camren for awhile and all of the sudden Camila has a new song out, twitter timeline starts a show of boobs trend and Lauren decides to post some pics with a very nice cleavage.

All we were missing is I luv it on the post 😂

What do u think?

🤣🤣🤣

[athenamariee]

Camren catagories

(always down to take suggestions for where you think each song goes)

Camren is not a linear storyline.

Their relationship is so complex and complicated as ever as we can see from their music and the way that they interact. Some songs may be in more than one category because why the fuck not. If it’s where they belong, it’s where they belong.

Camren has a few categories within their music.

The falling:

Only Told the Moon

Unforgettable

Taxi

Never Be The Same

Easy

Dream of You

Used to This

These are obviously the songs when C first fell for L and they give a sense of how she felt. All of the lyrics in these songs are about falling in love with the green eyed beauty or the green eyed beauty falling for miss Cuban booty and it’s obvious that’s who these songs were written very early in their relationship and have been staples in the CS community

The fucking:

Thief Looks Like an Angel

She Loves Control

Havana

Inside Out

Into It

Living Proof

My Oh My

Liar

Curious

Senorita (yes I included it because I think it's about L, sue me)

Don’t Wanna Say

Lento

South of the Border

OMG

Sangria Wine

More Than That

I put these songs in the same category because they all are instances where there's a lot of sexual tension and we can all tell that these songs all connect to each other. She Loves Control is obviously about Karla coming out to play and being a playa. The others are quite obvious if you ask me. All these songs are very much about each other and it makes it all the better honestly. People are trying to link these to other people (ie. T*, Sh*wn, A*stin, L*cy) and they are not about their ex PR’s, they’re about camren in the most obvious ways. You can't really link them to the PR's because they're not supposed to be linked to the PR's

The Fighting:

Crying in the Club

Consequences

Something's Gotta Give

This Love

Cry for Me

Expectations

Back to Me

Should’ve Said It

On Guard

All of these songs give me “go away I don’t want to talk to you right now” vibes and if you really listen to them. They’re all like a big fuck you to the other and it shows. These songs also throw us off a little with the camren narrative because it leads us to believe there was a breakup but the other songs lead us to believe there was something else. I do believe there was a breakup but not like we think there was. I think it was the breakup of the group that has something to do with these songs. Especially when it comes to the two years. The two year span can be applied to many things including, but not limited to, the time it took for them to fall in love (17 when we started to fall - K.C.C.E used to this), the time from when they fell in love to when C left the group and went solo (Then we lost it all - K.C.C.E used to this), there was also a two year relationship span between both T*ren and S*wmila. The timeline branches in so many places it's amazing.

The ‘what the fuck is happening in my brain’:

Scattered

Colors

Bad Kind of Butterflies

50 ft

While I’m Alive

All of these songs give me a what the fuck is happening in my brain kind of vibe and I dont know why but they do so I put them all in a catagory.

[darknesss-girll]

I really wish that I could get it through your head 🔥

[camren-timeline]

Lots of sass, lots of class...

When: 14 November 2014

What: Camila ad-libs an online dating profile for Lauren

Fifth Harmony ad-lib online dating profiles for each other in a segment for PopCrush uploaded on 14 November 2014. This is an interesting insight into what each member thinks is appropriate to include or mention in a dating profile.

2:12 Camila loves balls?

3:22 Camila makes up an online dating profile for Lauren.

Loose transcript

Camila: <in an English accent> Alright, so Lauren’s dating profile, so the profile picture would be of her going <does an impression of Lauren posing for a photo>. On her biography it would say: “Loves to read. Bob Marley records are the way to my heart.”

Lauren: Although I already have a couple.

Camila: “Love vinyls. If you’re interesting enough, I’ll write about you in my journal.”

Lauren: True... although I don’t know if men like to hear that.

Camila: It’s a challenge!

Lauren: True.

Camila: Oh! “Lots of sass, lots of class...”

Normani: “Not trash”

Ally: “And lots of... ” ok haha!

Dinah: <at Lauren> You’re a piece of trash!

Camila: “Lana Del Rey for life. XOXO Lauren Jergi”. Lern Jergi! “Love, Lern Jergi”

[bisluthq]

I used to be a soft Kaylor, I thought that Taylor was bi/fluid (still think that's likely) and romantically involved with KK (now I honestly don't think that happened in any way). But that wasn't like the reason I was a fan, I'd been a fan since Fearless era and the main reason I've been a fan is bc of her music, songwriting, and personality yk not bc of who she's dating. Dress sounded so gay to me and also INTHAF in Lover and the stuff with the daisy etc. I was Kayloring even after Joshlie got married, but when folklore came out and Tay explicitly said that WB is Joe, I was like "nah bruh this shit's for real, Kaylor is 1000% dead" bc there's no way in hell Taylor would've ever linked Joe to her art if it wasn't very real and very serious. Tbh I'd already been doubting for months before lol she seemed super committed and happy with Joe, but when Karlie revealed that she was pregnant and Taylor revealed that WB is Joe I knew it was literally impossible for Kaylor to be happening. So like, I just don't understand how anyone can still belieb Kaylor is a thing after Baldie Chunks and WB, and after ITTG and closure, but ESPECIALLY after the leaked bathroom pics like....if you can't come to your senses after that, you really are a hopeless case of tinhat idk. I guess the hard Kaylors are just way too attached to the whole thing and that's why they can't accept reality, to me it was very easy to let it go bc I wasn't attached to it. Nat's initial Realistic Kay timeline made a lot of sense to me and I was like "oh yup I was wrong, didn't dig well enough I guess". So I wanna say that recovery is possible tinhats! For Larries and Camrens and Kaylors, you don't have to remain stuck in this unhealthy konspiracy, get help and get out huns <3

(This sounds like an ad for a drug addiction in-patient recovery program lmfao)

😘

Ya I mean I made Realistic Kaylor because I was like “surely it’s possible to believe a version of this and still be tethered to reality” and it is - see Realistic Kay - but it’s also just like… not true lmao like it’s fanfic.

Recovery is possible!