#c!prime thoughts

[moondragon618]

Some pre-disc war c!Prime and more evidence that c!Dream has just always been Like That lmaooo :)

[stemms]

I believe that c!Tommy’s kleptomania is one of the most fascinating and heartbreaking parts of his personality, as it adds layers to his character, and explains certain parts of the lore that some people seem to consider a simple bad habit and display of his childishness. I would like to elaborate on that further and explore the way it changed in the exile arc.

To begin with, c!Tommy has been suffering from kleptomania ever since s1, but contrary to popular belief, he had no malicious intentions. From the very beginning of the server, he was already severely traumatised to the point of having PTSD and lacked self-worth. So, understandably enough, he was craving something to make up for his self-hatred, and robbery became that thing. c!Tommy would mostly steal insignificant things because what truly mattered was the amount of things he possessed, not their value or rarity. After all, if he had a large number of objects in his possession, it meant that he was worthy, and nothing else truly mattered.

Since the very beginning of exile, despite his need to acquire items to stabilise his extreme self-hatred, c!Tommy adamantly refused to accept anything from his visitors because he couldn’t help but assume that the gifts in question were “pity items”, and being pitied was one of the things he hated the most. As his exile went on, the belief that no one cared enough to offer him a gift out of genuine care, only grew stronger due to c!Dream’s manipulation, c!Tommy’s severe loneliness, and the heartbreak of the Beach Party. However, with time, the blond has grown to trust someone other than c!Dream — c!Ranboo. Eventually, he allowed the enderman hybrid to offer him things, as long as he promised that his gifts came from the heart. As much as c!Tommy attempted to hide his true feelings, he cherished every single object received from c!Ranboo. These weren’t just objects, like the ones he’d often steal from people to feel worthy — these served as a reminder that there was something to live for, and at least, someone other than c!Dream genuinely cared about him.

Considering that c!Dream has been obsessed with c!Tommy ever since s1 (which included living in his walls and stalking him) and used his kleptomania and “destructive nature” as an argument to get him exiled from L’Manberg, he certainly was aware of the boy’s insecurity, and was looking forward to exploiting it to the fullest to break- no, shatter him :)

The daily routine of discarding his objects hurt c!Tommy far more than we could’ve imagined, because if we keep his deep self-hatred in mind, he didn’t simply find it upsetting due to being stuck in the cycle of obtaining and destroying his items — it was something more than that. Every lost item equaled a tiny shard of c!Tommy’s self-worth, and soon enough, there was almost Nothing left; he was nothing but an empty shell.

Understandably enough, with time, the teenager has grown to believe that he wasn’t worthy to possess anything valuable of his own — he was meant to earn every little thing, and his best friend tormentor couldn’t be more pleased :) :) :)

[infizero-draws]

jokes on me i actually drew more of them immediately. anyways. all grown up!!!! (+ sum more info)

[moondragon618]

Hmm combining this with my "c!Dream stops wearing his mask around c!Tommy after the beach party" hc and imagining c!Tubbo's complete shock when c!Dream just casually takes off his mask in front of him lmao. Which c!Dream would notice immediately especially if it's been long enough that c!Tommy had gotten used to it :)

Oh my god and Tubbo just being completely unsettled by how different Dream is around Tommy than with him- more relaxed, more open, almost clingy. And Dream would definitely pick up on something being off but he'd probably just continue as normal while observing Tommy very closely- but he'd get bored of Tommy being so compliant and agreeable pretty quick :) And then Tubbo would get to experience that sudden shift to violence and Dream saying it's for his own good while barely hiding his own amusement :) :) :)

I have a very important question abt your c!Clingy Bodyswap AU. Does it happen before or after the Beach Party?

oh shit.... this is important.... ummm i think since c!tommy probably already has feelings about the compass and c!tubbo and c!dream told him c!tubbo fucked up the compass around the beach party if i remember correctly then it is after the beach party

[guildling]

i appreciate him very much

[w-248]

((Theory: Diane knew about Prime))

((We are close to season 8 but it might be ok to point I point some season 7 facts.)) ((This is a theory I throw out of of my ass just after shower but I do have suspicions Diane knew about the existence of Prime.)) ((One reason but not the most obvious is: why Prime would go drastic and go directly go bomb Diane and Beth?))

((You might tell me "Yeah but Rick Prime is a psychopath". Yes he is but at the same time we saw Rick Prime is not someone who can take time to plan things even if it takes years in making. But also structures -as much as physical than social- which did last also years like the structure that led later to what was to the Citadel. What I'm saying is he is a psychopath but also it has a certain logic, reflexion and dedication for him to do it. Like to hold it so well it also means Rick Prime didn't go radical every time he had a disagreement with someone. In fact, you can say he decided to go radical for 1,5 reasons: Rick C-137 choosing Diane and the 0;5 reason would be Ricks choosing Diane in general.))

(( Which leads me to another point: Rick Prime and Rick C-137 looked like they knew eachother for a long time looking at the memories and their dialogue during their fights. Rick Prime didn't decide to throw a bomb just after a one time disagreement. ))

(( Now how is this related to Diane knowing Rick Prime ? First let's come back to to the fear hole where writters said they wrote Diane the way they imagine her to be:))

(( It is a creation to the fear hole, but basing on what the writers said, it is also very possible she was fearless enough to go to adventures with Rick C-137. And that means knowing at least aliens... So why wouldn't she know about the possibility of a multiverse with multiple version of her husband?)) ((Coming back to why the bomb after this last fight, if we consider Prime and C-137 were not just fighting once, this means Prime took time to try to convince C-137. Considering Primed decided to play dirty at the end throwing the bomb, what tells you he didn't try to push away Diane by convincing her? Like for example prove your husband he is a cheater and this didn't work. It also could be he threw a bomb ar her because she was the one who gave the best arguments.)) ((But if you are not convinced Diane knew Prime, Prime at least knew her. Like for example he made bots really looking like her:))

((He also copied her voice way better than C-137 did. And to say Rick Prime knew her, when the round bot Diane said "you suck at eating pussy!" Rick C-137 didn't look shocked. But more, he replied "I know you said it to be hurful, but I won't deny it. I was young".))

((Here is Rick 1.approving a fact and 2. That means Rick Prime knew his Diane, and not just Dianes in general, was displeased. ))

((Rick Prime may have an obssesion with Dianes, but for me Rick Prime sure knew what C-137 Diane didn't like about Rick C-137.))

((Thought those are like, just shower thoughts and maybe my theory won't be true. But I don't think Diane was stupid and not as ignorant as we may portrait her for now and I do see her as one of the first true rivals to Rick Prime.))

[dontfuckingestablishcanonicalbac]

the reveal in unmortricken that universes outside the central finite curve are just... inventing interdimensional travel all the fucking time is absolutely insane. like we know the central finite curve is just a tower the ricks built to place themselves forever on top, but the sheer number of people who have invented portal travel in other universes is completely mindblowing to me. all the portals are different styles, different colours - are these all different inventors across different collections of dimensions? it's unregulated, it's rick-free, it's only shown for like 30 seconds throughout the episode, and it's not even mentioned. i know we already know this, but rick sanchez really isn't the unique genius he pretends himself to be.

[moondragon618]

Hmmm thinking about early season 1 dsmp before canon lives were implemented and how much less serious everything was, with death being nothing more than a minor inconvenience at worst and in some cases being indistinguishable from affectionate roughhousing lmao. And also the way that even after canon deaths are implemented, death has actual weight and consequences, and everyone's behavior shifts accordingly to fit the more serious tone, Dream's attitude towards death remains exactly the same. If anything it even starts to shift in the opposite direction as time goes on, him seeing everything more and more as just a game where death and violence are simply just part of the bonding experience :)

It's just. Something about the contrast between how Tommy reacts with mild annoyance to being killed repeatedly by Dream during the disc war and the way he reacts with visceral panic and horror when Dream threatens to do exactly that again during their post prison break confrontation makes me absolutely insane. The stakes are now literal life or death (and for Tommy in particular, life or an eternity of literal torture) and Tommy reacts exactly as you would expect- because it's not a game for him anymore- meanwhile Dream is still exactly how he was in S1, just a guy playing a game and having a fun little friendly rivalry with his best friend and favorite plaything little brother :) :) :)

And definitely not clinging desperately to an idealized version of the past that he can never return to and perhaps never really existed while also desperately trying to maintain his power over a server that is slowly leaving him behind, all while doing everything in his power to drag Tommy down with him-

And like this isn't to say that he doesn't know what he's doing or is in any way justified bc he absolutely does know the weight of his actions and the pain and suffering he's causing, and he's having the time of his life doing it lmao :) If anything his actions now having that kind of impact on everyone (and especially on Tommy) just makes it all the more fun for him :) :) :)

[mainenorth]

KOBD but they adopt Miko is actually my favourite TFP thing ever to read. PLEASE.

[cathymee]

maybe it's to maintain a sense of tension & turmoil that would eventually reach an explosive peak, a sense of tug-of-war, a back-and-forth to hammer home the ideals they want to deliver and for the viewers to chew on, but although these arguments regarding hiroshi & his stance as a man torn between his loyalty for his country & the loyalty for his Filipino friends and lover is of course important, how they write these scenes & the points they present from this week alone is getting too repetitive...? literally the argument scenes from last night & tonight between adelina & hiroshi is basically the same; the ideas were the same, the dynamics were the same: the aggressive, radical adelina, bristling rage and fear over the injustices she's seen thus far, and the cautious, inspiriting hiroshi, all hopefulness and reassurance one moment as a lover, defensiveness and sternness as a japanese soldier in another. this debate will be ever-present ofc, it is one of the series' biggest conflicts, but it is unfortunately so easy to tell when it is a.) being pulled up as a main topic to move the plot along / be a necessary conflict for character development/introspection / be the conflict to deliver the morals & messages the writers want to send to their viewers, or b.) when it is being pulled up only for the drama and filler to pass the time. like watching the characters sit down to argue for 10 minutes, do other things for the plot for 2 minutes, then sit down again to argue for the next 20 minutes. lol.

[moondragon618]

Fuck yes but also consider:

Logstedshire but it's practically a paradise. The ocean is clear and beautiful, the sunsets are breathtaking. At night when the sky is clear, c!Tommy could see more stars than he'd ever seen in his life. The weather is always perfect during the day apart from the occasional storm, and while it can get pretty cold at night due to being so close to the arctic, it's okay because c!Dream gave him one his hoodies to keep him warm :)

It's always quiet and peaceful. Sometimes unnervingly so. Sometimes the cold nights feel even colder and lonelier. Sometimes when Tommy watches the sunset or gazes up at the stars, it's to try and distract himself from the pain- be it emotional, physical, or both.

But from the outside, no one would ever guess that it was really hell on earth :)

Thinking about Logstedshire being this cold, gray place. Prime (no pun intended) horror setting

ok but also imagine if Logstedshire was warm. hellishly, oppressively warm, despite being by a tundra. it’s like it’s lit by the fires of hell itself.

srry kin moment

[britneyshakespeare]

i'm very interested what ppl find to be the harder shakespeare plays and which they found to be easier. bc i was googling out of curiosity and i found a sparknotes article (link if you're curious) that ranked ten of the most commonly-read plays on difficulty and it put king lear kinda down low whereas it put julius caesar pretty high because of the politics/complicated conflicts. that kind of baffled me because julius caesar was the first tragedy i read outside of the classroom and i found it very approachable; it's one i often recommend to people trying to get into shakespeare because the plot is already familiar to most ppl and you can just enjoy the poetry and how shakespeare chooses to characterize these figures. on the other hand i read king lear a few years later in my shakespeare journey, and to be honest i still kind of have a hard time with lear. maybe i just don't connect with it on some level; i'm not sure. it's not a very tightly-organized play where the action is as centered as in the other tragedies like hamlet or macbeth. that's certainly a me thing and maybe that'll change with age. but i'm always a little surprised when i find someone's experience with the plays so much different than mine.

anyway if you're reading this feel free to reblog and tag or comment which shakespeare plays you found yourself falling into most naturally and which worlds you felt like you had to force yourself into. i'm interested in what ppl feel on this subject

[mcltiples]

{ OOC } No, but like, it's true, though. I do like the fact that in canon Rick Prime's death is meant to be something to get over with because C-137 spent a big chunk of his life finding the guy. He thought revenge was what he needed to do, to kill the guy who killed his wife, and move on in a way that would be fitting.

Little did he know, that's not how it works. He should be happy, relieved, but now he's empty. A shell of someone who spent years doing nothing. He has no motivation to go on. So, he thinks.

So, it's actually fitting that Rick Prime's death is meant to be the big achievement, but then it just falls down the drain because --- what did killing him really do? Like really. All it did was just satisfy a temporary feeling that didn't even hold any merit anymore. It didn't bring Diane back to life. She's dead, it wouldn't impress her or please her. And it certainly didn't do anything else. Rick Prime didn't even appear in C-137's life all that much. Only as an obsessive thought, but nothing more.

So, he really did die for nothing. He was made to be the big bad, but in reality? He wasn't. All he was, was some overpowered, egotistical mad man who hid himself to let his alternates figure out the multiverse while he benefitted from it all. All while erasing Diane's existence to further make sure that Rick Sanchez could rule the multiverse.

And I think this is a big reason why I brought him back to life on this blog. His story isn't done yet -- not to me, at least. I want to explore further about what he thinks of C-137. How dying affected him and how he'll move on from this. I want him to really become the big bad to the point where he does take an interest in C-137 and vows to make it his life mission to do -vague hand gestures- something!

Because the fact that Rick Prime (as canon has told us) is the first one to invent interdimensional travel and the portal gun, then suddenly -- woah -- he's not the only one, C-137 managed to do it too. Of course, he's going to see the parallel there. He's not the only one who can become a God. That they're more similar than he realized. In fact, they're the most similar out of every single alternate.

Their paths are woven so intricately that they're like Batman and The Joker. One can't survive without the other. At least, that's how I see it. I don't know what canon will do from here (and honestly, I'm very excited to see it, even if I know there'll be no more Rick Prime 😢) So, it'll be something I explore here. Whether that's with my own C-137 muse or whoever's up writing with me!

[batsplat]

literally nobody ever mentions that in uccio's crazy 2016 interview, you all know the one, he randomly brings in casey. like, marc he's got a feud with, maverick is valentino's next teammate, both those guys are in the question, what's casey got to do with it?

[moondragon618]

RRRRRGH I AM GNAWING ON THIS POST RN I LOVE THIS IDEA SM I actually have a similar hc that c!Dream would do this even after knowing the revive book would work, and because of that he could go even further without worry, trying to see just how close he can push Tommy to the edge of death without killing him and how long he can keep him there, even after he's begging Dream to just let him die :) :) :)

After the first month of c!Tommy’s exile, he learned to associate the sight of a healing/regeneration potion in c!Dream’s hand with the end of his punishment. However, soon enough, his owner picked up on that and decided to slightly change the rules to ensure that he didn’t get too comfortable. There was also another reason for that decision; because c!Dream already possessed the revival book but couldn’t use it on c!Tommy yet, potions seemed like a good alternative because they allowed him to push the boy to the limit, and avoid being worried about accidentally killing him. 

With time, c!Tommy began associating healing/regeneration potions with both comfort and punishments, and the mere sight of them made his stomach churn and his hands tremble. c!Dream could never get enough of his amusing reaction, and greedily attempted to elicit it again, and again, and again… c!Dream has always found it absolutely delightful to watch the boy's sheer confusion turn into dread, and he actively took advantage of it :) 

At the end of each punishment, c!Dream would kindly patch up c!Tommy’s wounds and offer him another potion, if his behaviour was satisfactory. This being said, he would also apply a potion to the wound or force it down the teen’s throat in the middle of punishment, and continue it until he was satisfied. This way, c!Tommy could never be entirely sure if c!Dream was done with hurting him or if it was just another break before more pain followed...

[raptorrobot]

i do wonder if minos would recognise icarus as the son of that guy that built the minotaur's labyrinth back when he was alive. like they got history. surely they all can be trusted to be normal about it (also im assuming your icarus and daedalus weren't imprisoned by minos ? at least it's the impression that i got while reading violent sun. but if they were it only gets funnier. oh they have History alright)

I HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT THIS EXTENSIVELY ‼️‼️ i imagine since in mythology daedaelus and minos kind of fucking hated eachother in the spirit of ultrakill twisting things around they would have been good mates instead in this universe !! perhaps they even.... no... i shan't say.....

icarus forsure knows that minos had that connection with his father though . the last time minos saw icarus was when he was probably just a kid -- so it'd be a situation of "hey do you remember me?? i'm the son of daedalus" and minos going "OHHH icarus ! thou hast grown up so much :D"