#c!Tubbo Crit

[aro-throughyourchest]

I saw a post, "Everyone blames everyone for the red festival except for C!Schlatt" and I agree but I feel like there's a point to be made about how hard it is to blame one single party and be right rather than blame complexities and avoid the Big Bad

Yeah, the Big Bad Wolf did terrible things and ate her grandmother, but maybe Little Red shouldn't have gone into the woods alone ://

maybe then you have to realize nothing could be done. and maybe then blaming a Big Bad doesn't matter because screaming doesn't matter Tubbo blew up the festival was ruined and Wilbur watched

I wonder if that runs through the minds of the characters. Who blames Schlatt, and who blames Wilbur and who blames Techno, and who blames Tubbo, and who blames Tommy and who blames themselves

[hopalongfairywren]

Remember when people acted like it was c!Hannah's fault for not immediately comforting and consoling c!Jack when he literally kidnapped and framed her for a crime. This is what we're talking about when we say 'female characters are expected to do more for their male counterparts' It isn't just people assigning them them to a character's 'mother' c!Tommy and c!Tubbo were literally threatening to kill c!Hannah AFTER she proved herself innocent. (She only went along with this whole thing because it was making c!Clingy happy, which yeah, is pretty indicative of female socialization as a whole.)

This happens to pretty much every female character btw.

listen guys im not saying that the fandom doesn’t have a problem with shoving female characters into caretaker roles. that being said, c!hannah does also pretty clearly care about tommy and she expressed a lot of concern about his mental health on jack’s stream. i dont think it’s wrong to say she has older sister vibes considering she literally played along with their detective bit because it ‘seemed like it made them happy’

female characters can be multi-dimensional! hannah can be a girlboss and also someone who wants to see jack, tommy, and tubbo to heal from their trauma. that being said if you shoehorn her into just being emotional support for them it’s on sight

[imsosocold]

The DSMP fandom really does hold the concept of “ there are no bad actions, only bad groups of people” to their chests. 

[antimony-medusa]

starting off this reply by saying you're way more coherent than I'll ever be and you've managed to sum up all the main points my silly anon vent post made and more.

my hatred of dadza assignments is less going after people minding their own business but more the people making their theories everyone's business through character critique threads. i was tired of people attacking cPhil not being an all-seeing all-knowing paternal therapist for far too many people on the old server who were going through their sad cubito arcs (when at most he was an acquaintance), and I'm slightly horrified watching qPhil being attacked/ mischaracterised to fit the same narrative in the exact same way right now on a completely separate server. i could copy and paste arguments used against innitwt fans who went too far then and apply it to qsmptwt fans who are going too far now, qPhil hasn't been assigned the abusive/absent side character in many qsmp fanfics just yet but time and flat circle etc etc

honestly it sucks because during purgatory the BOLAS cult/family fan reaction was fun! and maybe it was because it was in it's early stages or creators weren't focusing on their angst-filled individual lore at the time but people were (mostly) making dark cannibalistic AUs and art and just exploring potential dynamics, instead of assuming fanon=canon and delving into the very familiar 3 stages you mentioned (wiki writers being a notable exception as per usual)

point C is just describing how twitter works, most stans think that if they make enough noise their chosen creator or entire fandom will bend to their will. as Tubbo said it's not that deep

Yeah! Yeah I am in full agreement here. I ended up deleting my response to that post cause I felt like I'd gotten too far off track for the question, but I think it escaped containment first, so, hello. Continued conversation. :D To be clear, I didn't think you were out of line at all, you just hit me in a moment where I'd been doing some reflections about what I post, and I'm personally trying to remind myself to not go out here posting stuff like "shipping is the only moral way to do fandom, family dynamic is BAD", because if I think about it for more than a second that's an absurd thing to say, and it's not helpful. We're all being kind of weird here, family dynamic is not too far out of line when we're talking about Things To Headcanon With Cubitos.

However, I DO think there's an issue in the fandom with people telling themselves that shipping = bad but family dynamic = good, and then doing everything that shipping wars lead into, including demonizing other characters for the sake of their ship family dynamic, and throwing characterization and canon out the window for the sake of their ship family dynamic. And then they put it on the wiki. Seeing people take non-canon family dynamics and then write character crit analysis moments about how people are reacting badly within it is aughghghghghghghhghghghghgh <I am become that person falling down a minecraft chimney again. But then again, I am never a fan of character crit moments in the first place, I am more a person who sits at my screen like "ooo, more war crimes? is it my birthday?" I am a fan of the murder war crimes guy, why are you writing serious posts on my dash about how he's a bad person because he's not emotionally available to his daughter (editor's note: they don't mean his real daughter, they mean a grown woman doing a bit). I see character crit posts and immediately start taking -1hp poison damage per round.

Yeah as someone who DID enjoy BOLAS in purgatory, most of the bolas tag on Ao3 is not written in such a way that I'd enjoy it, I like those guys as a found family slash cult, not as a bio family, heaven's sake. These are guys making up rituals in a death game, the way I see it, not a fluffy OR angsty family. However there are still a FEW people writing bolas in a fun way that's fun to me (check out response to danger by insomniawillow if you are open to some more e-rated concepts and writing), so I'm not entirely ready to go full blocked tags on it.

Mostly after so long in the dadza mines in the DSMP I'm just tearfully going "please, please, can we talk about the real guy as an adult and a peer, not as a dad, look he has his own kids you can talk about now, can he be a peer to the other streamers, please" and then I break down weeping piteously. It's fun times seeing what twitter is doing, I'll tell you.

[rulersofeverything]

22 idiots! (And counting!)

Hello!! We're the PRIME SYS!! - an Imagian / Trispluralfaker collective! We're collectively Radqueer, Proship, Pro-Para (Anti-C), Pro-Endo, and Permalockdown*!

There are currently 22 of us, including:

★ CC!Georgenotfound (🍄)

★ Dreamwastaken (💚)

★ Sapnap (🐼)

★ Ghostbur (💠)

★ Revivebur (🧨)

★ CC!Wilbur Soot (🎼)

★ Tubbathon (☣️)

★ C!Ranboo (👑) (Cannot translate his typing quirk)

★ C!Karl Jacobs (⏳️⌛️)

★ C!Ph1LzA (🪺) (CROW DAD! CROW DAD! CROW DAD!)

★ Tommyinnit (🦝)

★ Zonebur (😶)

★ Softbur (☁️🐾)

★ YCGMAbur (📼)

★ Quackity / Alex (🐤)

★ BadBoyHalo (🧁)

★ Skeppy (💎)

★ Slimecicle (❤️❤️🖤)

★ Genlossboo (💾)

★ CC!Ranboo (🪄)

★ Fundy (🦊)

★ Purpled (👾)

★ C!Technoblade (🐷)

★ CC!Jschlatt (🐏)

★ Michael (No signoff atm)

☆ COLLECTIVE SIGNOFF: 🌈💿 ☆

Currently, none of us really have any source memories - but we would still LOVE if sourcemates interacted!

DNI: Antis, Sh***le supporters, DSMP + Dteam neg/crit, Xenosatanists and similar labels (Noxiaq.ueer, Ba.sedqueer, Post-RQ, etc.), You selfship with CC!Tubbo, C! or CC! George doubles (any source), You hate Pewdiepie, You post a lot about current issues / pressure others to b.oycott, Pro-AI art.

*Please don't ask us about CC drama, it makes us uncomfy!! We live in 2020 and have no clue what you mean. /lh

Where are we in watching the DSMP?: S1 E22!!

(We're watching it through Blueberry TVs playlists!)

[snowchesterstorms]

Hello and welcome to my blog!

My name is Tubbo, I'm a c!Tubbo fictive in a system. (System's main account is @zom-tom)

I'm usually a little, although I do get older on occasion and my system wants me to work on not being small all the time anymore. I made this as a space for me to post about stuff when I'm older.

If you want to follow me feel free. I ask that you please respect my dni crit; no queerphobes, racists, exclusionists, zionists, terfs/radfems, maps/pedos, cc!Dteam / cc!Wilbur supporters, or if you post a lot about c!Dream or c!Schlatt. (Sorry, personal trauma.) The last bit abt posting abt characters is more loose, if we're mutuals on our main you can follow, I just prefer not to see them if I can help it.

I will add blinkies and shit and also set my blog up nice later, currently on mobile. 💚

If you don't want to see me posting about my feelings and shit, my diary basically, blacklist the tag #📗tubbo.journal

I may emoji tag stuff but I won't be clarifying who the tags are about for my own privacy.

Other tags I'll probably use are: #🎨tubbo.art #💌tubbo.aes #✉️tubbo.text #🔒tubbo.save #💚lovers.txt #❄️family.txt #🫶friends.txt #🫀sys.txt #📬tubbo.mail and more probably

I think that's all, thank you for reading I hope you have a nice day !!

©️ winter-mornings for icon + pinned art

[doodlebloo]

Sometimes c!Tubbo does deserve neg like he's not perfect he's fucked up a lot. But c!Tubbo neg is never like "c!Tubbo's refusal to be open and honest abt his feelings isn't only harmful to him it also hurts his relationships and causes people to hurt him unintentionally" it's always like "c!Tubbo exiled c!Tommy because he wanted power!!" or something

[nachosforfree]

ppl mad about techno saying c!tubbo used to be a dictator as if c!tubbo didn't execute him without trial and lock up his best friend 💔

[proudfreakmetarusonikku]

but no seriously throughout the entire tubbo stream i was waiting for the other shoe to drop, the fact that they were being worse than c!sam to be acknowledged by the narrative, and it was just… so uncomfortable how this immoral, cruel action was played off as some sort of #girlboss revenge move. c!tubbo just locked someone in a cell to starve to death this Should Not be treated so casually. that’s a downright evil act, but it was just played off as some victory and just. ugh. it doesn’t feel right.

[arsonistfriday]

So I decided to be mean to one of my wonderful blorbos (c!Sam) and figure out how long it would’ve taken him to starve to death if he hadn’t been found in the cell by c!Dream.

TWs: starvation, c!Revengers crit/neg

I tested this out by timing how long it took for me to die in MC on hard mode just from starvation. Now, keep in mind I consistently ran and jumped around in the cell while doing this, and c!Sam would’ve wanted to conserve his hunger as much as possible, meaning it would be longer. However, it took me about 9 minutes and 24 seconds to die from starvation, which is almost the entire daytime in MC.

Now, I then have to multiply this by 3, since he has 3 lives. This then results in a total of 27 minutes and 72 seconds, so rounding up to roughly 28 minutes. I then divided this by 20, since a full day-and-night cycle in MC is 20 minutes, and that equals to 1.3 days. Now, this is the calculation for the bare minimum: if he was sprinting and jumping the whole time, which he clearly wouldn’t. So his death would be much more prolonged, possibly stretching to 2 or even 3 days.

This is why I felt so disgusted by c!Revengers. The fact that what c!Dream did was technically a better fate than staying in the cell is just... it feels vile, in my opinion. They left him to starve in a cell, while ignoring the fact that a much more threatening criminal had just recently escaped, and that one of their team members was the reason for this person’s escape in the first place! I get it, Tubbo was pissed because he lost his husband and his son was kidnapped, but jfc no one deserves to starve to death in a cell while people just shrug it off.

[hope-vs-disbear]

c!Eret is a better person then I am because the moment c!Tubbo and c!Techno pulled that "Haha I forgive the guy who destroyed my home twice and Still isn't sorry for it but you're on thin ice" the first time I would've told them they could rescue that dumb fuck pig kid themselves and Left

[sing-me-under]

No I get it. I’m also sick right now and just wasting my time on here.

I just get really frustrated by all the neg posts on the finale (I follow the Dream SMP tag but keep seeing neg even though I try to avoid it). I don’t mind valid criticism and some character neg, which is why I haven’t straight up blocked the crit and neg tags, but I get really upset when people seem to forget that the White Screen was the end of c!Dream and c!Tommy and that they’re not coming back as we know them. Like, I’m not against it being amnesia or reincarnation or whatever and I like the fanfics, but I don’t think it’s fair to consider it an amnesia narrative or a plot because there is no narrative to continue.

Maybe I should have emphasized the narrative part rather than the amnesia part because again, it’s understandable to consider it amnesia. I’m not saying it’s not amnesia. I just don’t think it’s an amnesia narrative, and the S2 versions should be considered their own individuals rather than a continuation.

A good example of an amnesia narrative is whatever is going on in Karmaland right now. Because that’s an actual part of the story rather than just a reset.

Also on the miscommunication, I wouldn’t be all too surprised if Tommy and Dream did their entire lore in their DMs (as it’s known the ccs tend to do instead of using their discord lore channel) then pulled Tubbo to the side and were like “do you want to do this with us” without actually explaining anything… They’re not known for being good at relaying information, especially since Tubbo and Jack did their lore separately with the only joint points being the very beginning of the stream and the White Screen.

Because I keep seeing finale neg at least once a day despite the fact that I hit “don’t recommend” on the ones that still cross my dash… The finale has gone through one tedious game of telephone because people cling onto a dialogue that really needs the urgency of the voice acting to understand. Improv on a time limit isn’t the greatest way to convey a story, but taking the lines at face value is really the worst way to experience it. They didn’t see the way Tommy keep shifting around anxiously waiting or the way Punz kept moving in and out of frame to get Dream’s attention. They didn’t see how Tommy “limped” after being revived and cornered, too exhausted and confused to keep fighting and so choosing to talk to the end. They didn’t hear the exhausted way Tommy apologized as the nuke got louder and closer as Punz kept urging Dream to escape or the way Dream’s pity voice switched to his usual accusatory voice while escaping.

And just a reminder that just because I enjoyed and accept the finale doesn’t mean I think it was great. I just think it was understandable. There are like a thousand different ways this could have ended better, especially had other creators taken part (particularly Sapnap), but this ending wasn’t OOC or bad imo.

Just because someone is a terribly shitty person who’s done awful things doesn’t mean they aren’t allowed to have emotions. Dream is offered redemption, but he doesn’t have the chance to receive it. Hell, given more time, he probably wouldn’t have even taken it, especially since Punz was still there, and Punz has no deeper, older motive (especially not one so thoroughly twisted beyond recognition that rationally it directly conflicts with Dream’s wants) behind the want for power. People forget that Punz was still there, trying to keep Dream against Tommy but was mostly ignored.

I think that if it hadn’t been for the White Screen, Tommy would have still lost. There was no winning. People who didn’t watch the stream didn’t know that they were cut off before they actually had a chance to make a choice. It was a small spark of something, the smallest idea of something other than what they were, but it was cut off before it could actually be properly considered because that last understanding would have required a lot more time to fully flesh out. I’m actually really upset that I haven’t come across any fics that dive into “what if they actually didn’t die to the nuke and talked just a little bit longer, how would the rest of that conversation go” that isn’t just “Tommy kills Dream” even though that defeats the entire point of his character arc.

Unfortunately, even people who did watch the stream just took everything at face value without recognizing the nuances within their block people actions. ALSO. THE DREAM AND TOMMY AT THE END ARE NOT THE ORIGINAL DREAM AND TOMMY. THEY ARE COMPLETELY NEW AND DIFFERENT CHARACTERS TO REASSURE THAT THERE IS A SEASON TWO DSMP. STOP PUSHING THE AMNESIA NARRATIVE. LET THEM HAVE A NEW DYNAMIC.

[petre-chose-violence]

Antarctic Duo is just Clingy Duo, but without the weird coercive clingyness.

[flamedoesart]

How do you feel about that stream my dude? C!Tubbo finally getting the opportunity to talk with and sort out his feelings towards C!Techno and C!Eret? And how C!Tubbo was so surprised that the both of them actually let him decide what happened to C!Sam, since he usually isn't actually given the call on these things, no matter how important it is in his life.

Those were literally the only two good things to really come out of that lore today.

If you're familiar with my blog then you already know exactly how I feel abt the lore today and it's not Good.

(more under the cut)

Cool, c!tubbo forgives c!eret. I thought he did already when c!eret came to save him and c!tommy during the disc finale (i feel like aside from being forgiven by c!wilbur, that was c!eret's Complete Redemption but ig not.)

and cool, c!tubbo forgives c!techno (which hhh. okay fine i can admit that it is in line with c!tubbo's character to forgive him for most things, but definitely Not for letting c!dream out of prison.)

today's stream just felt way way too scripted, like everyone was just waiting for the important shit and not addressing the smaller details. c!tommy is never mentioned by name, even though he should've considering the guy who abused him is now out of prison and c!tubbo is now friends with the guy who did it.

c!tubbo, out of everyone, should have every reason imaginable to be pissed off at c!techno, and during the stream c!sam even brings up that c!techno was the one who let c!dream out. and what happens?

it gets brushed aside, joked about. teehee it's so funny that the guy who was gonna murder c!tubbo a year ago is now free lol! -_-

there were so many opportunities for c!tubbo to Lose It at c!techno, or at least have him clearly hold some animosity towards him, for letting c!dream out. c!tubbo gives few shits about his own life anymore, but he always. ALWAYS cared about c!tommy's.

i also wonder, why the hell was c!ranboo's book, or anything involving c!ranboo, not mentioned? was c!ranboo setting off the tnt at the prison canon or not?? when watching the Dream lore video, everyone assumed it was, wtf is going on???

also why did c!sam not say anything or try to defend himself?? we are given 0 insight into why he chose to do what he did, only for it to be revealed later that it had nothing to do with the prison explosions at all.

also i feel like c!sam's punishment was a bit too much. he kidnapped a child. cool. c!dream did far, far worse and even without the knowledge of Exile, there was a Reason everyone turned against him. and now he's stuck in the prison with no way out unless someone finds out what happened to him and comes to save him.

idk like the actual good parts of the lore today just was not enough to save it, nonny. i have so many issues with it. i just feel bleh right now.

[lacedspine]

wait sorry did people just forget that at the red festival, tubbo literally gave wilbur the go-ahead to set the tnt off or

[melo-efcarist]

if you don’t like c!clingyduo’s dynamic, i reckon you just don’t like healthy relationships smh (/hj)

Okay, but fr though, I’m no expert on them or anything, but they help each other so much. Not only in battles against other people, but also helping each other overcome their flaws. One of C!Tommy’s biggest flaw (imo) is his hubris(?? idk how else to describe it). He doesn’t think how his actions would hurt other people, and he thinks he’ll succeed at all his instinct-driven attempts. But he puts his ego aside for C!Tubbo. Doomsday? You could see him just realize “what the fuck did I just say to Tubbo” and apologizes and doesn’t care about the disc anymore (though, this in turn, hurt C!Techno but that’s another story). On the other hand, I think C!Tubbo’s biggest flaw is his leniency. He’s just an “okay, whatever you say bossman” kinda guy. This has lead him to doing things he was really unsure of doing, and also potentially hurting people in the process. It’s been used against him to hurt C!Tommy (see exile, the nuke, etc). Although C!Tubbo’s relationship with C!Tommy might not lead to character development as much as it does for the latter. C!Tommy ends up standing up for him! At the disc finale, C!Tubbo was already giving in to C!Dream, accepted his fate. But C!Tommy desperately wanted to get C!Tubbo out of there, trying to protect him. They have one of the healthiest relationships in the server and I think they’re pretty neat <3 <3 <3