#by the way im GAY so im ALSO not here for any homophobic sentiment
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idk maybe i should become religious. like if i can’t love myself, and no one will love me, then like at least god will love me? saw this line that said “i ask myself, ‘why would i hate someone god loves so much? why should i slap him in the face? he’s the one who made me, and for a very special reason.’ there’s no one in the world just like you. that person, you, is worth loving.”
like if i can’t come up with a reason to live for myself then i could probably find comfort in letting god do that for me
not even joking about it really because i just can’t even imagine myself living happily without completely numbing my brain function 24/7. if believing in god can give me a sense of purpose, of happiness, of stability, of love, then maybe it wouldn’t be so bad.
cuz idk all this “you’re valid! live for something, even if it’s just your cats!” isn’t really cutting it
#biiiig moods rn#personal#half of me wants to believe in god#the other half finds it completely ridiculous#thats the side that thinks too much#like is god even real? if he is then what about all the gods of other cultures?#like if hes realy then wouldnt they be too?#how can anyone believe if all of this was probably made up by some storyteller thousands of years ago#its too complex for me to understand and i wish my brain wouldnt keep trying to kill me#can anyone have a meaningful discussion with me about this?#by the way im GAY so im ALSO not here for any homophobic sentiment#tags for people?#religion#christianity#self worth#anxiety#depression#lol this SUCKS
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The Love that nearly destroyed me.
This is a detailed account of my experience of my love with a blogger and ex fiance, this is my story.
(please forgive any grammatical errors)
A bit of back story, i met her through a family member. When we first met were attracted to each other almost instantly. We drove to Vegas and saw all the casino's and had a blast. As time went on we both grew even more attracted to each other and before the end of the first night we couldn’t keep our hands off each other. On the second night we are getting ready to go out and I am looking in the mirror and I jokingly tease 'would you date me? Id date me' while doing a silly flex.
'what are you gay or something?' She asks me.
'I say no im 100% sure im straight but I have made out with guys before and realised it wasn’t for me.'
She goes wide eyed and freezes up. I ask her what's wrong, but she refuses to look at me or even touch me. I then realised she actually may be homophobic, and I tell her im not gay. She is stone cold. I then realised she as a practicing Christian, that this was a big no no for her.
I tell her that’s all in the past, and that I am comfortable with who I am. She refuses to speak to me or look at me, so i give up and I leave the room upset.
Later that night after dinner, I see her again, she tells me not to talk about it again and we should just forget about it. We have a blast in Vegas, get very drunk. We have this amazing connection and attraction towards her. Sadly the trip had to end but we both decide to meet again.
A couple of days later i meet in her home town in a motel, met her little one and it was fantastic. That same night i get a message from my ex gf asking how my trip was. She glares at me, demanding to know who I was talking to. I panic and casually tell her 'just an old friend.' She demands to know who it is and asks me for my phone. I oblige, she tgen scrolls and see's old texts of my ex and i.
She flips out.
Bare in mind this was less then a week of knowing each other. I didn’t even get a chance to delete my Tinder (to which she saw). I tried to explain to her that this was all moving so fast and I hadnt had the time to sort all these things or even consider them at the time.
So we are in the motel room and she flips out, grabbing her things and is ready to leave. Im on my knee's telling her im sorry etc. She looks at me and asks me what I am willing to do to be with her. I say anything. She says 'ok delete and create a new facebook'.
Im shocked, over 10 years of memories and family photos? Gone?
I tell her I cant do that cause those were too sentimental.
She then decides she wants me to block and delete any female friends I had a relationship sexual or non sexual, she then demands I delete my Snapchat and Instagram accounts. I obliged.
The next thing I regret doing so the most, is to my ex gf of mine.
She tells me to message her, and tell her that I don’t ever want to talk to her ever again (within those terms). I did so, and I felt like a scumbag for hurting thst poor girl that did nothing ill towards me.
After a long hours talk of me asking for forgiveness, we make up.
A week later she decides to bring herself and her little one to my mums house to feel how we are together. My dream is to be a father and I would love her child like my own.
So we are at the house and it was the most perfect week of my life, it was bliss and I knew I wanted this. After the week ended I then realised I had one week left. We were both devastated as I had to fly back to Bali to work for my dad. I then wanted to prove my commitment to her (because I was in love with her at the time) .
So that night I went into my backyard while she was in the living room and dressed up in a black suit and lit an array of candles in my back yard. I messaged her to come out, and I was standing there, she smiled beautifully and kept laughing, I grabbed her by the had and said, 'I may not have much right now, so I cant give you a ring. But what I can give you is a promise that I want to share my life with you.' I then turned to her little one and gave a solem vow to protect her and care for her as my own.
The next day we contact her parents, and they are shocked and scared. Everything is happening so quickly, too quickly they say. But after a long talk, the father and mother gave me their blessing. I promised to take care of their daughter and gave them my word. Lots of tears of joy were shed.
The day arrives when I have to leave, I take the plane back and meet my dad and step mum. I told my dad that I was engaged and he gives me this sour look, 'you only knew her for less then a month, what do you know of love?'.
My dad had promised me work to build echo friendly villas, to which he promised me a stable income in which I could provide for her and her little one when they were here.
What my dad didn’t tell me was that a deal he had fell through, and that the money that was supposed to come in to build the resort wont be available so the resort building is postponed. He tells me I can work for him as a manager, but will only pay me when the business starts to take off and I show my worth.
I am furious.
I had this whole plan that I was relying on my dad, I believed in him to keep his word. Now that it had fell through not only did I feel like I lied to her but her family as well. I asked my dad would it be ok if she was welcome to come live here?
He said of course, I'll support her in any way I can. So I talked to my Fiance and she asks 'will he buy us the tickets?As I already spent hundreds of dollars on passports and luggage.'
I tell her he said any way he can.
I then have a conference call with my dad and fiance. My fiance asks when can he book the tickets for the trip?
I never said that he says.
He explains when he will support her anyway he can means when she gets here with her own money. (take in mind I left my old job in australia and have $0 to my name) So another lie in her eyes and to her family.
I talk to my dad and I tell him, if she cant be here then Im going back to the US, he says ok. ‘If you really love her I'll pay for your ticket’. I tell her about me going back, she asks if there is anything I can do to make some money? I tell her I have my camera and gopros that I could sell. She says 'good sell them' I hesitate, the camera's have sentimental value as they were the first gift my dad ever sent me. She then takes my hesitation as a message of unloyalty. She then yells abuse at me over and over, repeating my faults and telling her of her willingness to sacrifice everything. (to which I understand).
I then promise her to sell the cameras to get my tickets to the US as my dad has proven unreliable. But I hold back from selling the camera's, I don’t tell her about this as I am hoping my dad will follow through.
That night my dad is upset at me for coming here and giving up on the family for '' some chick in the US''. I felt torn on both ends, but I do love my fiance and I will fight for her. He tells me if that’s the case then I ill receive no support from him.
Later that night I responded to all the well wishes of the engagement, an old french high school friend (who is a lesbian) contacted me. I say thank you beautiful as I nickname her beautiful as I have always done. I then get a phone call of my fiance yelling at me saying I shouldn’t compliment any girl, and that I should be her main focus. I try to explain my reasoning but she wouldn’t listen so again I apologies and accept defeat.
A couple of days go by and my fiance asks if I had posted the cameras, I said not yet but I am doing so now. More hurled abuse, more fighting. I post the camera's and get terrible prices for them that would barely get me to the US.
Later that night my fiance calls me up, she is so happy. My mum and her have decided to pitch in to get me here, and that I can sell the camera's in the US for a better price. And that it would be best if we move to Australia together and when I get settled I can pay her and my mum back for the ticket.
But there was a catch,
I have to leave the next night. My fiance urges me to tell my dad of me leaving but I don’t. I hold off in telling my dad at the last second as he had my passport in holding, I feared he would refuse to give me my passport and not let me leave.
When i finally have the passport in my hands i decode to break the news to him.
He is devastated.
I then feel sorry for him and I give him one of my best go pro's to use for his surfing and that he can pay me whatever feels right. So later that night I fly to the US.
Once I arrived, we finally met. She decided to stay at my mothers house while my mother was in paris on a holiday, it would just be me and her.
It was as if a day had not gone by, the same feelings arose and all was well. I took care of her little one by changing the diapers, feeding, and playing. I was in bliss, I wanted to prove to her and show her I could do this. One thing that I never told her was I did feel a lot of shame how I left things with my dad, and I was quite upset, but I put on a smile whenever I could. Later that day i get a message from my dad and found out my dad decided to just pay me $100 ¼ of what the camera was worth, i kind of minded on the sale being so cheap.
She also was not happy, she yells at me, demanding that I pay her the money I owe her by selling the camera's. The next day I successfully sell part of my camera sets and pay her back and she is happy.
One day I am feeling very horny, I tease her and I am extra affectionate towards her. I tell her she is beautiful and does this to me and that I am so lucky to have a girl like her. As the day goes by I am still like a dog on heat. She leads me to the bed room. I get super excited and playful, she then pushes me away and says 'im going to masturbate now.' Im like 'awesome sure let me help'.
‘No, I dont want you touching me but we can masturbate side by side’.
At first I thought she was joking, but at the same time I am extremely hurt.
I think to myself...
'Did I do anything wrong?'
'Is she still attracted to me?'
So I am visibly upset I get up and put my clothes on and leave the room. After about 20 minutes she comes out and I am still upset at her. I tell her Im just going to lie down for a bit, she lays next to me and asks if im ok and apologises for not wanting to sleep with me as she wasnt feeling well. I then tell her don’t worry about it, I'll get over it. I then jokingly told her that I kinda went to lie down so I could masturbate as I needed to release myself.
She then leaves the room. I then emerge from the room relaxed and satisfied. She is scowling at me packing her bags.... She is furious that I decided to masturbate and demanded if I masturbated to other girls or to porn?
I am in disbelief as I felt like there were some double standards. It’s the hotel room all over again, I beg for her not to leave, but she decides to stay.
*Just a note, I respect a women's choice to refuse sex to a man if she doesn’t feel like it. But I cant help to feel upset.*
A couple of days go by my mother returns from paris and she goes back to her home town. We both plan on me visiting her family and me staying at her dads or sisters house while there. Unfortunately they both said they couldn’t house me. She then asks to sell the rest of the gear so I could rent a motel for us to stay. I agree. After the phone call i talk to my mum and tell her everything, my mum says that its only fair i pay her back as well, since i did so with Carolyn.
Yet again I am at a crossroads, but I made a promise to pay my mother back so I agreed to pay my mum. I told my fiance that I will still be seeing her but I would only stay for during the day as I cant afford the motel. She is furious, 'what about the money from the camera gear?' I try to explain to her. But she refuses to listen. Yelling above my voice not giving me a chance to speak she tells me not to come, and that she is sick of the empty promises I never fulfil. She removes our engagement status and blocks me on all forms of social media.
I am devastated, im a heaping sobbing mess to my mum. I love her I really do....I cry. I decided to accept things as they were, so I decided to install Tinder (more to which to heal my wounds and insecurities of being dumped). With the app installed im staring at the swipe screen, and I just cant do it. So I uninstall the app.
I decided to heal the bridges I destroyed and contacted my old ex. I call her just telling her i was sorry for what I had said/done.
'You really hurt me, you really really hurt me' she cried. I cried.
'But I forgive you, because I don’t believe in holding onto hate.' I cry again.
After the talk I felt better that she accepted my apology, but sad knowing things may never be as they were. But it felt good to hear her laugh again.
Later that night I was trying to relax when I get a phone call.
Its my now ex fiance.
I ask her what does she want? She then tells me she didn’t feel like things ended correctly and wanted to make things right. I had enough
Correctly? None of this has ended correctly. I yell.
I tell her that the real reason she is calling is to mask this guilt, I told her I did my best with the cards I was dealt but it was never enough. But to know I at least tried and never gave up on her. The real person who is given up is you.
I then hung up. (and yes that was dramatic as it was in the heat of the moment).
She calls me back, and I ask her. Do you really love me? Yes shes tells me. My heart ache's.
I then tell her that i love her and that I will see her tomorrow to have a real talk.
The next day I take the train to see her, she hops out of the uber and is skipping towards me in a joyful mood. Im cold and numb by this point, i have an emotional barrier up. She hugs me, kissing my arm etc.
'Lets talk.'
We go into the café and sit across from each other in an awkward silence. I tell her I am doing the best I can, and that I believe once I am in control of my own life in Australia we can finally have a normal life. She tells me she loves me and wants that too. She wants things to work, and I really felt like she does. We make up and everything is perfect again, but then she stops and has this smile...Like she is looking forward to something.
She then asks, 'Did you install Tinder?'
I am completely caught off guard and blurt out 'no', as I uninstalled the app. She pulls out the phone in this satisfied smile and ask 'then whats this?' Showing my tinder profile.
I tell her that yes, i installed it but never used it.
'have you been talking to any other girls on social media?'
I decided to tell the truth.
‘Yes, my ex...but only to sa-’,She then gets up and leaves
'if your talking to her again why don’t you just be with her.' And she walks out.
And that’s when I felt like I was done, emotionally just done.
A couple weeks have gone by, and she's moved on.
Although I do look her up from time to time, I am glad that she is happy, I decided to tell this story because I felt like this is part of my healing process. I really did love her. But i dont think she ever loved me.
I felt like she loved the idea of me being a father role, but never really loved me.
She is a hypocrite in most cases on her stances towards men, but that is her reality. I respect her beliefs and her views to empower women but at the same time its contradictory, I dont judge her on her stance towards homosexuality or if religious views.
I moved my life for a love that never deserved or appreciated me, the control factor is scary. The mind games of her holding onto that tinder info waiting to use it on me like a loaded gun showed me she enjoys the control over men.
But don’t get me wrong, this poor girl has been through so much and I understand her distrust towards men (its why I put up with everything). At the same time I do feel sorry for her because of the men in her past has left her broken, its the sad fact of one persons crazy is another persons reality.
If any of you that read this, that has suffered from emotional abuse please dont hesitate to reach out.
#relationships#virgoassbitch#heartbreak#emotional#process#crazy ex girlfriend#commitment#story#lovestory#aries#dad#father role#gay#lgbt#i deserve better#letting go#emotional abuse#emotional games#recovering#happiness#im sorry#it has to end
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toffee!
no dont apologise! i didnt check until just then so np :)
mmm yeah it is a bit trippy. hehe ITS TRUE THO. yeah sadly i think ur right, and tag blocking is probably a good idea. sometimes smut written well or not in excess is okay but goddamn when its abt 01 line and thats the whole fic... *silently blocks tags*
hehe i do that all the time lol this conversation is carrying on threads from a month ago :) mmm yeah ur probably right sadly, same. HA HE DIDNT HAVE A CHOICE and now i have someone to talk to abt them, so thats good! I KNOW felix was actually the one who got me into skz with his iconique gods menu line so i guess i have a soft spot for him. i always tell myself my bias is chan but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ guess im more whipped than id like to admit. mmm yeah that does make sense dw i hope they do that as well. YES king seungmin hIMSELF. GODDAMNIT DONT GET ME STARTED ON MINHO IN GODS MENU I DIDNT EVEN KNOW HE WAS PART OF THE GROUP UNTIL I STARTED GETTING MORE INTO THEM. BITCH (affectionate) THE LINE DISTRIBUTION HAS BEEN UTTER DOG SHIT but *deep breath* its better now so were moving on adn hoping it stays that way. sis same but i may or may not have gone thru a rlly depressed phase and actively sought out the elimination episodes so i could actually force some tears out of my emotionless shell of a heart but what cna you do? lmaoo i feel that irl, binnie deserves more vocal lines. yesss channies accent is rlly prominent then, i think also the way he structures his phrasing? is more english speaking than korean? but yeah i totally get what ur saying. AJKSAL lmao
okay then! im excited for whenever it gets done! (maybe tag me?) ahh the cold shrivelled heart of a dark au writer beats again at the thought of torturing another poor characters very soul (/j) :(( yeah that would suck not being able to see them. ohhh ur on the other hemisphere to me! were just going into spring rn. mmm smth to look forward to! YES you put it into words. they rlly are pretty independent from the company (remember how jyp rejected that other dudes songs after like 3 seconds and then how he was apparently nervous to show the song hed written to chan cos chan was so good at writing hits ahhh sweet revenge) mmmYES we rlly need a mute and remove notifications button for our brains dont we?
YES CORRECT i totally agree. some people jsut dont give it a try, adn assume its bad cos its korean smh racist assholes. yes! im coming up to my 6 month anniv actually! sis sAME, i feel like theyre being tugged into appealing to the western american market and theyre not staying as true to their artistic flair as a group, especially with only writing english songs atm. *sigh* ah well, at least theyre bringing recognition to the kpop world. AHUH dead on, theyre going to be discarded pretty soon and then where will bp be? theyll prob go solo paths which is rlly sad but what can you do when the company is run by a prideful asshole? yg is not going to last much longer in the big four if they keep this up.
hehe you get it. oooh very cool! whos ur ult? (sorry if youve said this before) mmmm yeah good decision, i feel liek thats probably a wise decision. this is my first album release as a kpop stan (not counting mixtape oh) so i think ill get it for sentiments sake. yeah! im excited for the new music! mingi was the one who got me into them, but atm my bias is seonghwa followed by san, wooyoung and ateez but jonghos high notes man *swoon* he, yeah atm ive got jake, jay, nikki, jungwon and sunoo down so just trying to get the rest :) heh, yeah kard i rlly only got into cos of bm, ive seen him like interacting with a lot of idols and he seemed nice so i decided to check out the group. ikr gunshot man *another swoon*
no noe! i didnt know what it was until i got it lol. thx toffee ill try and take that to mind :) yeah lol im on a waiting list thats not going to be free until late september so hopefully i can hold on until then. hope ur okay, that sounds like it sucks, hope you can find someone. maybe ill just take you along on my phone and the therapist can get a two for one patient deal lmaooo. mmm, sorry no i havent mentioned it before, i dont rlly talk abt it much. uhhh basically hypermobility? if you google it, it doesnt seem bad, jsut joint flexibility but ive got the severe end of the stick, leaning towards ehlers danlos syndrome so thats fun. basically it just makes it hard for me to exercise, run, jump, stand or just walk for long periods of time and gives me a lot of joint and muscle pain so... thats fun! but obviously so many other people have it worse than me, so i try not to complain. normally in young people it will improve as they get older, but my doctor said bc its severe in me, its unlikely to get much better. but again, i dont have the worst lot in the bunch, so its all g.
oh its good that its not the bad type of rain, a light sprinkling can be relaxing sometimes. aww thx darl, the concern is appreciated but it went pretty well and i managed not to cough too much on stage or kill myself trying to run around to the other side of the stage in the pouring rain so thats good! oooh tea buddies! my dogs a labradoodle, but shes a bit more of a feral poodle lol not much labrador in her at all, unless its her relentless urge to hunt down every bird that has ever walked this earth smh :((( hopefully they can come back on soon, does uni have dances?
ahhh a mood if i ever heard one. hopefully things will get better for you soon, ik anxiety sucks ass. ooh thats always good! when its sunny here, its always melt ur thongs to the pavement hot so the nicely cool sunny days are a lovely change. hehe impatience is not so good for you, but good for us that get to see ur beautiful theme early. ahh no worries, itll come eventually hopefully. and if not, then just things that make you not anxious are good. it doesnt have to be black or white, sometimes gray is good. mmmmm sames i have midterms this week to catch up on and then two weeks of end of terms so thats fun! i hope u can overcome that a little, heres some channie to be ur motivation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8LWyNjzOww. hah! i hear that all the time, he seems to be everywhere. did you see that tiktok of hans slowed back door rap, i stg it sounded EXACTLY like namjoon, it kinda scared me. also teh beginning of another day, sounds so much like joon i swear.
that reminds me! idk ur biases! i feel like this should be smth i should know so please! feel free to elaborate!
ahh im glad, i was worried it is. mmm same, so no hard feelings if either of us misses a day or smth. ill start worrying if weeks/months have gone by, but if its just a little while thats more than fine. ill just picture you studiously completing notes and i wont worry lol
<3 w.a. 🐺
at some point i really think i'm going to start blocking accounts because blocking tags won't be enough. i saw ask tags the other day and it just made me want to bleach my eyeballs.
i could talk about god's menu felix for hours man. the teaser for god's menu that featured his part on the bridge made me look forward to the mv release. you: biases chan, also you: lixiesbabyhands. yes you are more whipped than you think. i can't believe orange haired minho was given NOTHING during that era but they kind of made up for it in the b-sides. i also hope it stays that way. the distribution for this era was pretty fair.
"torturing another poor character's soul" in all honesty, i used to live for this. 2017 me leading up to early 2020 wrote nothing but angst. i have another aussie friend on twt and tbh i'm still really (O.o) about the seasons! jyp should be terrified skz could easily take over that company. heck if skz grow old and start their own company, they'd probably do a great job at running it. PLEASE. i have issues on muting/notifications both mentally and in real life. sometimes, i just wish to disappear.
some people in my country are just disgusting tbh. not only racist but homophobic too. they label kpop as 'gay' and it DISGUSTS me. it's a problematic behavior/mindset people in my country need to fucking get rid of. anyway, HELP ME 6 MONTHS??? and i've been in this shit for like a decade eye. tbh, i’m not fond of kpop groups trying to appeal to the western audience :// it feels like they’re losing their identity in a way. yes recognition but at what cost? yg has my favorite groups but that’s one shitty company when it comes to promoting.
okay my ult! it’s haechan from nct but i consider chan an ult too. like a close second above my whopping list of kpop boys. oh yes! you should get the album just for like a keepsake? remembrance? how did mingi appeal to you? omg did you start getting interested in ateez back when he was still on hiatus? NOT YOU BIASING THE SAME PEOPLE I DID WHEN I FIRST STARTED STANNING. the infamous ateez thot-line. jongho is easily one of the best fourth gen vocalists out here, no one can change my mind :( good luck with memorizing the rest of enhypen! just in time for the comeback too. i hope i’ll get into kard soon but i’m pretty content (and a tad bit overwhelmed) with the amount of groups i stan right now.
please hold on though, feel free to vent here if you like. thanks for the offer tho HAHA but like i’ll try to get checked here too when the cases die down a bit. i’m sorry to hear about your condition though :( please don’t ever overwork yourself to the point that your joints/muscles would ache. it’s completely valid to complain about it tho. i get that you have others in mind but keeping that mindset really doesn’t do you (like you internally) any better? so if you need to, vent your frustrations out and don’t keep it in.
oh my god, about your performance last sunday. was the stage out in the open? glad you didn’t cough too much and did well on your concert. i’m proud of you! i can never understand dogs and poor birds T_T uni doesn’t have dances unfortunately. i think there’s just one party at the end like a graduation ball. what year are you in anyway? if it’s something that you’re fine with sharing. if not, it’s cool.
good luck with your exams! and thanks for the link! AHA what a cutie. i think he does this motivation thing once in a while during his lives and it’s just comforting. yeah joon and han my irl just freaked when we made that discovery. ult crumbs for her. oh god not me forgetting about every biases when you asked. you can ask for my biases in a few groups just list down the one’s you’re interested in knowing.
i missed yesterday because i was grinding and finishing what if we stay + school work. finally did it today. i’m sure i’ll reply in like a day or two, definitely not a month unless i state otherwise. if i ever decide to abandon this blog, i’ll let you know.
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(in response to this post: http://teamcapumon.tumblr.com/post/161841926398/another-reason-im-an-ace-inclusionist-most)
(I apologize for the words being cut off, apparently my theme is a piece of shit lmao)
@rebelbaze (I’m not sure if that’ll tag you because tumblr wont find your username for some reason?? but anyways)
When I say “complicated relationship with gender and sexuality” I mean being unsure of gender and sexuality, not being discriminated against for it or feeling a disconnect because of societal pressures. Cisgendered heterosexual heteromantic women, even if they feel like they have to subdue their sexual urges and act inherently feminine, aren’t LGBT just because they feel the need to conform to societal standard. What I was referring to is people who aren’t sure whether they’re cis or trans (and generally fall somewhere among nonbinary identities) and/or are unsure of their sexuality. I probably should’ve worded myself more clearly when I said that, but whats done is done |D
Also I’m really glad I know the reason people say “A is for ally” or else I would not be able to contain myself and debate fairly because insinuating that an actually Cishet ally is more LGBT than an asexual person is incredibly insulting, but I know (or am assuming <D) that that’s not what you meant. The A for ally may be supposed to protect closeted LGBTPN people, but...asexuality actually acts that way for some people as well?? “Ally” is more inclusive because it includes LGBTPN people who outwardly identify themselves as cishet, but I’ve literally seen people say they’re asexual/act as celibates because they’re same-sex attracted. Furthermore the “A for ally” argument is incredibly confusing for those unaware of what it actually means, but I suppose that’s not your fault lmao
The LGBTPN community was created to fight against homophobia and transphobia, but it has gone through so many growing pains over the years that saying “well it wasn’t originally intended for that!” isn’t a good reason to be an exclusionist. (Not saying that’s your only reason, I’m just saying that was the reason you gave here). I dont know if the founders of the LGBT movement/community even knew pansexual and nonbinary people existed, let alone if those founders would support them and their identities. (That’s not an accusation, though; I’m just saying I legitimately dont know. If you can prove that they believed one way or the other, I’d be happy to see it.) The LGBT community was created to fight against homosexuality and transphobia, but I dont see why fighting against aphobia can’t also be a goal of the community - especially since fighting against biphobia, panphobia, and anti-nonbinary sentiments is a goal of the community now. Furthermore I’d argue that actual Cishet allies would belong in a group thats primary purpose is to fight against homosexuality and transphobia, and that transphobic gay people and homophobic trans people and all biphobes/panphobes/anti-nonbinary people need to be kicked out, but I digress. (That isn’t to say that cishet allies need the term “LGBT” stamped on them; what I mean to say is that the LGBT community is about a lot more than that. It’s a community where LGBT+ people are supposed to be able to come for love and support whenever the rest of society is giving them shit. Yes it’s supposed to fight against transphobia and homophobia, of course, but the reason the LGBT+ community is needed is so that people struggling with homophobia, transphobia, biphobia, and any other kind of sexuality/noncis discrimination [including aphobia imo] have a safe and understanding place to turn to.)
But what you said about cishet ace/aros still having problems is 100% accurate and I appreciate that exclusionists still recognize that, because sometimes I see exclusionists say that cishet ace/aros have all the same benefits that an allo cishet person has and that...concerns me. Honestly the main reason I’m an inclusionist (although I have other smaller reasons, like the one in the post that you replied to) is because I just want ace/aros to be visible. We can’t accomplish that on our own; we want to be in the public eye, but everyone ignores that. It’s not that we absolutely need to be in the LGBT community or we’re being both killed for our sexuality and denied entrance into the LGBT community (because no cishet asexual or aromantic is killed for their sexuality tbh) unlike bi/pan people, but we can’t accomplish nearly as much for our identities without a community of similarly ignored people to rely on. The LGBT community has become mainstream and ace/aro people want to hop on that train so that people can finally stop invalidating our sexuality every two minutes. Whether that sounds underhanded or not (or even whether its accurate or not because tbh that’s just what I’ve observed, not necessarily accurate for every cishet ace/aro) is up to you, but that’s how I’ve always seen it. (Also worth mentioning that in return for having a spot in the LGBT community, the ace/aro community wants to fight for trans and gay rights. It’s not like we just want to mooch off the hard work of trans and gay people and never contribute lmao. Yes homophobic and transphobic ace/aro people exist, but transphobic homosexual people exist as to homophobic transgender people, and biphobia is unfortunately very rampant in the LGBT community. ALSO when I say “ace/aro” community I obviously dont speak for every ace/aro person, especially since some ace/aro people are exclusionists. Alternately, some cishet ace/aros just want to call themselves LGBT because it’s the “cool” thing to do, like kids who fake mental illness to be seen as cool. Which it’s an entire problem in and of itself that we’ve created a society where in order to be cool on the internet, all you have to do is call yourself LGBT, but I digress. That’s a rant for another time, haha.)
Sorry for rambling so long, but hopefully I got my opinion across in all that garbage lmao
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