Episode 36 Transcript: I'm Not Thinking Anything!
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G: Hello, my name is Grey.
C: And my name is Crystal.
G: And this is Busty Asian Beauties, the Supernatural commentary podcast where I, someone who has seen this show several times…
C: And I, someone who only knows the show through social media, discuss every single episode of Supernatural from start to finish. Also, we're both Asian.
G: Both Asian!
So for today's episode, we will be discussing Season 2, Episode 14: “Born Under A Bad Sign,” written by Cathryn Humphrys, directed by Jay Miller Tobin.
C: Yeah, what else has Jay Miller Tobin directed?
G: I actually checked, and he directs one episode per season until season five, so from season two to five, he has four episodes in total.
C: Okay, interesting.
G: And all of them are iconic episodes.
C: Yeah, yeah, I'm looking now. That is interesting.
G: Yeah.
C: Because I feel like the main feature of this episode was the bad slow-mo/fast-mo.
G: Well, no, I- that's true, but I think- we'll get into it later, but I really like the way the first- the teaser portion of the episode was directed, you know, so I thought that was coo,l and then we get the, like, really bad slow-mo, and I was like, "Okay. Okay, fine." [C laughs] But, you know, I think this one was pretty dece when it comes to directing. I would like to point out that- Are you familiar with the car door, slide down hand on the window scene?
C: The sex one?
G: The sex one-
C: Oh my god, this was him!
G: It was him! So, looking forward to that.
C: So grateful for that.
G: Literally. I love it when people make AMVs, and it's like, a completely random pairing, and then they put that in there, just to be like, "They had sex. Don't even think about it." [laughs]
C: [laughing] Is this about my Megkelly video?
G: [laughing] Don't even think about it! Never think about anything.
C: Okay, but I did use- [laughs] I used the hand sliding down the window to say that Meg and Kelly had sex in the Impala. Which they did. Canonically.
G: So true.
So yeah, I guess we can start with, what did you know about this episode before going in?
C: So I guess I didn't actually know what it was entirely until the "then" sequence where it shows Jo and then Meg, and I was like, "Oh, okay." So in general, I know that at some point in this episode, Meg possesses Sam and that he tells Jo, "My daddy shot your daddy in the head," but I guess I didn't really know that many other details about it, and I didn't know when Sam was gonna be Meg and when he was gonna be Sam.
G: Yeah, I actually, like, this, for some reason, like, this episode title is seared into my head as an important episode, but I have absolutely no idea what the episode is about. So I just know it's important that we're here, but I don't know what it's about. So like you said, like, the the moment I knew, it was like, "Oh, the teaser is happening. Oh, okay it's this episode." Yeah, so yeah. [laughing] And I knew I was in for a fucking ride!
C: Yep.
G: So, hell yeah.
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G: So the episode starts with Dean just hanging out. [both laugh] And he is taking a call, and it's from Ellen, and he's like, freaking out ,and he's saying that Sam has been missing for a while, and he's asking like, "Has anyone heard about him?" And then Ellen's like, saying no, blah blah blah, when the phone rings, and it's Sam, and Dean answers it and then goes to a hotel- to a motel and enters a room. And Sam is there, and he is bloody and just staring into the ether. Dean asks if he's bleeding. Sam says, "I tried to wash it off." Agh!
C: He's so Lady Macbeth for this.
G: Ooh! Ooh! I love that. And he says, "I don't think the blood is my blood." And Dean asks what the hell happened, and Sam says, "Dean, I don't remember... anything!"
C: And he looks so sad and vulnerable, and it's such a good line. Like, his voice does a little crack.
G: Whoo!
C: Like, hello.
G: Ah! This entire episode, like, I don't know. Like, it's so- mm! It's so- nuh!
C: [laughs[ It's spicy, yeah.
G: It's delicious. [C laughs] Anyway, like I said earlier-
C: Love to see a man in distress.
G: Yeah, like, this entire portion was directed in a way that it's like, super choppy. You know, how like, in vlogs, they would like, transfer to another shot, but like, the audio of the previous shot is still going, like it's that kind of editing? I think- I thought it's pretty cool. I liked it. And I thought it added to the frantic nature of the scene, which is something that they have attempted in the past, but failed at, I feel. Like, the whole frantic, like, "it's a bit choppy!" but like, in the past, it just looked like incredibly bad slow motion. Which is also in this episode, but [laughs] we can't always get what we want.
C: Yeah. Yep. [laughs] We're not talking about House M.D. this episode. [G laughs]
G: Is that a promise?
C: No. [laughs]
G: [laughs] No.
C: 'Cause I don't break prommies.
G: For real.
C: Honestly, I don't know that the choppiness worked for me as well visually as it did for you, but it had its moments where it worked out, it showed Dean’s disorientation pretty well.
So we go to the next scene. A little bit of time has passed in the motel room, and apparently, Dean found out that Sam checked in two days ago under the name of Richard Sambora. And he says, "The scariest part about this whole thing is that you're a Bon Jovi fan."
G: I'm sure that Dean has listened to Bon Jovi at some point.
C: Yeah.
G: What a hypocrite! [C laughs] [laughing] Imagine if, like, this entire episode, I was just like, bashing on Dean. Truly a moment.
C: I feel like Dean, at least in the first half of this like, episode has been surprisingly likable to me.
G: Oh, he's extremely likable in this episode, 'cause he's so pathetic! [C laughs] Literally so pathetic. At some point, he is wet and pathetic, so like, it works.
C: Yes! He's- no, I love the scene where Jo has to rescue him from under the bridge, because you know that she's fantasized about having him wet, pathetic, and poor little meow-meowed like this before.
G: He is literally- like, he was going, "Ouch! Yeowch!"
C: [laughing] "Owie!"
G: Literally.
C: Just like Jack- what's his last time?
G: Literally, he was like, "Ow! Agh!" Good for him. [C laughing]
C: Yeah.
G: I love this episode. Yeah.
C: Except for when he leaves Jo behind and is like, the biggest dick about it. But we'll get there.
G: We'll get to it. [laughs]
C: Yeah. Okay. So no one's noticed anything unusual or loud about Sam's room, and Sam is still clearly very upset. He goes, like, “Oh, you mean no one saw me walking around covered in blood?” and like, “How the hell did I get here, Dean? What happened to me?” Dean says, like, "It's okay, we'll just deal with the situation." And Sam goes, “Really? Because what if I hurt someone, or worse? What if this is what Dad warned you about?” And Dean's like, "Calm down there, buddy. Let's like, just solve this mystery." So the last thing Sam remembers is him and Dean in West Texas, and he went out to grab some burgers, and apparently, that was an entire week ago, and then he woke up here, bloody and feeling like he'd been asleep for a month. Dean notices that there's blood on the window, so Sam’s probably been coming in through there. So they go out to investigate.
G: Yeah. And as they're walking, they pass by this- I don't know how to describe it. Like storage units, I guess?
C: Yeah, like garages?
G: Yeah, like, garage storage unit thing. And it's like, a whole suspense thing. Sam's like, "Oh my god, I recognize this." And Dean's like, "Really?" and he was like, "Nah. [both laugh] I just get the vibes." But, you know, he feels like he has been here before, so he like, points at like, a garage, and goes like, “Why don't we open that one?” And it's locked, and Sam goes, “Wait,” and then reaches into his pocket, pulls out a key, and, as we know, if there's a key, there must be a lock, so they unlock the lock, and they open the garage door to see a car. And like, Dean still joking that he's like- because the car is like, one of those like, Beetle car, I guess. You know, what I mean.
C: Yeah.
G: And he's like, "Oh, you didn't steal this, didn't you?" [C laughs] And, you know, he's just a goofy silly little guy. He's just joking around in a very serious situation because it's his coping mechanism. And they open the doors, and they see that there's blood everywhere in the steering wheel, and Dean points out the backseat, which has a bloody knife.
C: Ooh!
G: At some point, like, Sam says, "You think I used this on someone?" and Dean just goes, “I'm not thinking anything.” [laughs] Which I like.
C: Dean was like, "Maybe you just used the knife to spread some strawberry jam on some toast. Have you considered that, Sam?"
G: Literally this would be my response every time anyone goes, like, “What do you think?" I'll just go, "I'm not thinking anything!" And I love that.
Anyway, like, Dean makes other comments about like, there being like, a pack of cigarettes in the car, and he's like, "You're not a smoker. This can't be you! You don't smoke menthols." And then they find a gas receipt from a couple towns over so they go to that gas station to see if Sam has been there.
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C: Yeah, so they go over, and Dean asks if Sam is getting any deja vu about this, and he's like, "Nah," so they go into the like, convenience store attached to the gas station to see if anyone remembers Sam. And the cashier there is like, "Oh my god, what the fuck, get out of here, what," and Dean's like, "Are you talking to like, him? To Sam?" And the clerk is like, "Yeah, this guy came in yesterday completely drunk, grabbed like, a malt liquor from the fridge, and just started chugging right in front of me." And, apparently, he also threw the bottle at the cashier's head. And the whole time, Dean's going, "This guy?? [G laughing] This guy did it? Sweet little Sammy did that?" And it's so fun.
And Sam’s like, looking all pathetic, going like, “I'm really sorry if I did anything." And the- [laughs] the cashier threatens to call the police, and he says, "Tell your story walking, pal. Popo will be here in five." And that- [laughing] no one in the history of the universe has tried to sound intimidating while calling the cops "popo." [G laughs]
G: Well, you know.
C: Do I know?
G: Well, I've heard it in some rap songs, and they sound pretty intense about it, so.
C: I suppose so.
G: I think it's just something people say. Yeah. I think this is something- like, maybe it's of a time. Maybe it's of a certain time, you know. [laughing] We're Gen Z-ers, we don't know anything.
C: It's true. We're not thinking anything.
G: Yeah. I'm not thinking anything! Yeah.
C: Yeah. So Dean sends Sam to go wait in the car, and he questions the cashier, asking what direction Sam went in after he left the gas station. And basically, the cashier is trying to get Dean to bribe him, so he's like, "You know, like, your buddy didn't pay for the booze or the smokes." And then Dean's like, "Ugh, fine," and puts some bills down, and then the cashier's like, "Actually, I'm starting to remember that he took two packs," and Dean's like, "Okay, fine," and then after bribing him enough, he learns that Sam went North Route 71 out of town, and then Dean like, grabs two candy bars without paying for them directly and then leaves.
G: I was so fascinated by this. Because when the guy said, like, "Actually, I'm recalling it better now. He took two packs," I would have never gotten in my life that he was saying, like, "Give me more money." [laughing] I would just have been like, "This is the information he's giving me!" [both laughing] Literally, I would have never connected those dots. I would have just stood there and been like, "Do you have any more information, other than he took two packs?" [both laughing] So when Dean like, handed more money, I was like, "Oh, that's interesting." But yeah. [laughing] That's literally my only commentary for this scene. Love that!
C: I mean, are we gonna- at what point are we gonna say what the situation was? 'Cause I do think it's very hot girl moment of Meg to like, go into a store, start chugging alcohol, and then throw the bottle at someone.
G: Well, I think it's safe to say that, like, that portion of Sam, he was possessed. So we'll say that. Like-
C: Okay.
G: Good for- good for Meg, you know?
C: Yeah.
G: Go into a store, drink it, a la Cascore, I guess.
C: Yeah, yeah! He went into a liquor store, "And?" [both] "And I drank it."
G: Good for him! And, well, have you ever smoked a cigarette?
C: No.
G: No, okay [laughing], then let's drop this conversation.
C: Have you?
G: Oh, yeah.
C: Okay, did you have anything you wanted to say about it?
G: Oh, no, I was just like, wondering like, do you think Meg would be like, a menthol type person?
C: Hmm. I don't know. My only thought there was that it was a crime that we didn't get to see Rachel Miner!Meg smoke, because I know smoking kills, but also like... hi. [G laughs]
G: Yeah, smoking kills. Don't smoke, even though I have smoked in my life, and also [laughing] considering taking up smoking because I want to buy a Zippo, and I want to use it for something. [C laughing] Like, I want to justify my Zippo purchase-
C: Being Deancoded literally kills.
G: So I am thinking- Literally, I'm thinking of getting into tobacco. [C laughing] Like, as in, the big, like, cigars. And I, like- like, I was doing like, some reading up about it, and then like, it hit me suddenly like, right in the middle of doing it, I was like, "What am I doing?" [C laughing] I was literally like- I was having like, a revelation. Like, "You're literally going all in just so you can justify buying a Zippo." Like, other people literally buy, like, dolls and merch that they just display their house for no reason, you can do this for a Zippo as well. [laughs] Like, just say it's a Supernatural-related purchase and then you'll be fine. You don't have to smoke. [both laugh] But yeah. Again, if you want to- [laughing] if you want me to buy a Zippo, [both laughing] you can give us money at our Ko-Fi, and put-
C: And Grey will not use it to smoke, so you will not be responsible for lung cancer.
G: Exactly. Just put in the note portion of your Ko-Fi donation [laughing], "For Grey's Zippo." [laughs]
Don't actually do that. We have said it last episode, we'll say it again, don't actually do that. I will spend my own money for my own Zippo.
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G: Anyway, they drive to a house, and the house is quite secure, or at least looks like it is, because it has like, cameras and like, security, you know, security stuff set up. But they knock at the door, and they open it up, and nothing happens. And Dean says, like, "Oh, isn't that weird?" Like, "Wouldn't this guy have more security?" Specifically, he says, like, "You'd think it'd have an alarm," and then Sam walks towards the side of the house and finds that the electricity, or like, the alarm setup has been wrangled and hacked into. And he goes, “Yeah, you would.” Which I thought was such a good line, like, the response to like, "You'd think it'd have an alarm," and Sam going, "Yeah, you would" as being like, a "We would think that. So like, if I was responsible for this, I would disable it." And I was like, "Hell yeah."
C: Yep.
G: Hell yeah!
C: As they head in, the place is fucked up. A lot of shattered glass and stuff. And then they get to a back room, and there is a corpse on the ground. Dean tells Sam to turn the lights on, and we see that it's some guy and his throat is slit really hard. And Dean looks shocked, and Sam looks like he's having a terrible time. And he goes, “Dean, I did this." And Dean goes like, "We don't know that!" [laughs] And Sam's like, "Um, no, I mean like, this is the only explanation." And Dean's going like, "Uh, even if you did it, I'm sure you had a good reason, like, like, you know, self-defense, he was like, a bad guy, you know?" And Sam tells him that he needs his lockpick, and they open up a closet in the back of the room with a bunch of guns and symbols and stuff in it. And Dean goes like, “Oh, either this guy's the Unabomber," and then Sam goes, "Or a hunter." Fascinating that hunters' [G laughs] closets look exactly the same as terrorists'. How interesting.
Yeah, Sam goes, "Dean, I think I killed a hunter."
G: Ooh!
C: Ooh! And we see that there's a security camera, so Dean goes, "Let's find out." And we look at the tape and it's just, Sam comes into the house [G laughing], he stumbles into the room beating the shit out of this guy, but like, he looks really funny. Like-
G: [laughing] I know!
C: Something about the security tape thing.
G: He looks- he looks like an animal. Like, he looks like- he's so big and lumbering.
C: Yeah.
G: Like, he looks like- I don't know. Like, because he's so big, and he's just going at it at this guy, like, the whole time, I was like, "This is so funny!" [laughing] Like, I think this is hilarious. And the only time- like, I'm actually quite eugh about violence on screen. Like, it's just not something I particularly like watching. But like, this entire time, I was like, "This is so funny," and the only time I actually looked away was at like the throat slit moment. So like, that's saying a lot, 'cause I would have looked away. [laughing] This scene was so fucking funny! Like, I don't even know how to describe it. You have to watch it. Like, he's just literally- he's standing there. He pushes the guy, and he, like, monkey walks towards the guy [C laughing], and I was like, "Goddamn. What is happening?"
C: [laughing] Right, no. He has like, crab legs and his arms are out, like he's trying to scare off a bear, but he is the bear, like-
G: He's literally doing those- you know, like, those thigh garter things that you wear when you work out. Like, he's literally walking towards the guy like he's wearing that. [C laughing] Good for him.
C: Yeah, but unfortunately, Sam and Dean don't see the humor in this situation [both laughing].
G: Yeah. They do not. They are looking in distress.
C: Yep.
G: So Sam, he is sitting down at the desk. He has like, a little paper out. He's reading it, and Dean is like, going around, like, "How do you erase this? I need your help," and Sam's just lamenting-
C: Yeah, I think this is the moment when I was-
G: Oh, yes.
C: This is when I was like, "Oh my god."
G: This is it.
C: Like, Dean- maybe I like Dean sometimes. [laughs]
G: He's literally like- Cathryn Humphrys, doing so much for the Deangirl community. [C laughing] She is putting in so much work. But basically, like, you can imagine the scene. It's Sam sitting, and he is basically lamenting that "I killed a guy. I broke in, I killed him, and this is his name, it's Steve Wandell. This is a letter from his daughter." You know, he's just emoting. And Dean is off the side, going, "There are hunters who will look for who killed this guy, so we need to cover our fucking tracks. So how do we get rid of this tape?" And because Sam is not responding, Dean just picks up the computer and then smashes it to the floor. Like, stomps on it. And he goes, “Wipe your prints. Then we go.”
C: Yeah. Agh, God.
G: This entire moment, I was thinking, like, "If I find out one of my siblings or close friends killed someone, would I do this?" 'Cause like-
C: Yes, I would.
G: I think I would. But like... I don't know. Like, I think- yeah, like, Dean is tapping into that instinct, right? Like, Dean in this scene is tapping into that instinct of like- I, too, would do whatever it takes to keep- Should we cut that out? [C laughs] What if I get involved in a murder case, and, like, the police listen to our podcast and is like, "Oh, this person said, like, they would-"
C: Cover up a murder?
G: "That they would cover up a murder." [laughs] I'll be- yeah. It's not a good look. But, like, yeah, Dean is so interesting to me.
C: Who wouldn't?
G: Yeah, for a close friend- And, like, the thing is, this is not like, a clear-cut, like, you know, like, "My friend is an evil person who killed someone out of cold blood." This is a like, "This was not my person, and if anything, they probably need like, a lot of psychological help first and foremost, and they're not gonna get that in prison." So like, you know. It's like a no-brainer at that point.
C: Right.
G: But- agh! Like, Dean in this scene is...
C: Yeah.
G: He's such a big brother. He's so protective. And I...
C: Yeah.
G: I kind of love him [laughs] at this moment. He's slaying, as I like to say.
C: Yeah. I think it's just that I feel like Sam and Dean are not often very relatable to me just because their situations do not translate to my life, but like, this moment, I was like, "Yeah, okay. I understand you, Dean. You're a real guy."
G: Yeah.
C: So they head into a new motel room, and Dean's saying, "Okay, we'll sleep here for a bit, and then we're gonna get the fuck out of here." And then he says, like, "I know this is bad, but you've gotta snap out of it, Sam." And Sam goes, like, “What? I'm just supposed to get some sleep and leave in the morning?” Like, “Dean, I did murder. That's what I did.” And Dean goes like, "Um, maybe? [both laughing] Maybe he was like, a shapeshifter!"
G: "It can be murder, but it can also be some other creature! Come on, Sam!"
C: Yeah, "We don't do murder! It doesn't count when we kill monsters. Yeah!"
So Sam goes like, "Well, no, because you saw the tape, and there was no eye shit," and then Dean goes, "Okay, yeah, but it wasn't you, alright? Like, it might have been you, but it wasn't you." [laughs]
G: I'm surprised Dean hasn't figured out the possession thing at this point. Or is he so trusting that Sam is not possessed right now, and that also, like, if he says to Sam, like, "You got possessed," that will scare Sam a bit more, so if he's like, keeping it to himself.
C: I think- I also think it's possible that Dean suspects that this was actually Sam, though.
G: Ooh! Hell yeah.
C: Yeah, like, he hasn't thought of the possession thing because he was like-
G: "My brother just blacked out, and there's no supernatural reason. He just went out on a murder spree." Yeah, that makes sense.
C: Yeah. Oof. Yeah. And Sam goes, “Well, I think it was. I think maybe more than you know.” And Dean goes, "What the hell does that mean?" And Sam says, like, "For the last few weeks, I've been having these feelings." [G laughing] Not even gay feelings.
G: Literally, not even gay feelings.
C: He says, "The feelings are rage and hate." Like, yes, girl, bite.
G: Yeah, so maybe gay feelings. [laughing] So maybe those are gay feelings.
C: Yes, girl, bite and kill.
G: Literally rage and hate.
C: Yeah. He says, "I can't stop it. It just gets worse. Day by day, it gets worse." And like, Sam ,you're just going through a faith crisis and having gay feelings. Like, that's normal. [G laughs] Calm down, dude.
G: Literally.
C: I love rage and hate. So Dean goes, “You never told me this.” Which- yeah, okay. [both laugh]
I'm just- I'm just trying to think of- I feel like all the times that Sam tells Dean "You never told me this," it's about Mary stuff, right?
G: Yeah.
C: Yeah. So I guess it's interesting that- I mean, I guess Sam doesn't have any secrets he can keep to Dean, besides himself.
G: Yeah. That's true.
C: So, yeah. Sam says, "I didn't want to scare you." And Dean's like, "Well, great. You did a great job on that one." [both laugh] Yeah. Sam says, like, "You know, that the yellow-eyed demon has plans for me, and he's turned other children into killers before, to": Dean says, "No one can control you but you." Sure, Dean. And also, it's your own fault if you die because you don't fight. [both laughing] God, what a man. And Sam goes like, "It doesn't seem like that, Dean. It feels like no matter what I do, slowly but surely, I'm just becoming... who I'm meant to be." [laughs] Ugh, love this.
G: Ooh!
C: I love this. I love drama. I love drama.
Yeah, Sam says like, "You told me once yourself that I have to face up to who I am. Dean's like, I didn't mean this!" Sam says, "It's still true. You know that. Dad knew that too. That's why he told you, if you ever came to this..." Dean's telling him to shut up, and Sam says, "Dean, you promised him. You promised me." Ooh! And Dean's saying, like, "No, there's gotta be a way out! Come on!" And Sam says, "Yeah, there is." And he takes out a gun and hands it to Dean! He says, "I don't want to hurt anyone else. I don't want to hurt you." Dean says, like, "You can fight this!" And Sam, he's like, his eyes are getting a little watery. Agh, this is such a good continuation from "Houses of the Holy" where he's like, halfway crying in every single scene. [G laughing] I love it. I love it. He says, like, "No, I can't do this forever." He says, "Here. You gotta do it." And, like, Dean won't take the gun, so Sam just takes his hand and like, slams the gun into it like, forcing Dean to hold it And, like, he looks so like, determined and fierce in that moment, and then, after the gun's in Dean's hands, he suddenly looks like, so young and scared, like, his lip is a wobbling, and like, he does a little nervous bounce. And it's good. It's good. Because he's like- well, he's not, but if this was real, he'd be realizing like, the gravity of the situation, and it's Ah! Hello. And Dean says, "You know, I've tried so hard to keep you safe." And Sam’s like, nodding, and like, he- like in a way that's like, he thinks that this is a goodbye speech. And he says, like, "I know." And he's like, sort of waiting for Dean to shoot him. He's like, leaning forward. Like, he looks kind of hungry for it in a way. And like, there's a moment of suspense that's not actually suspense, 'cause obviously, Dean shakes his head-
G: He's not gonna shoot Sam, yeah.
C: And he says, "I can't. I'd rather die." And then he drops the gun on the bed. Ah!
G: The thing is, like, my immediate thought in this moment was like, "Sure. Just drop this gun in this bed-"
C: I know, right! Like-
G: Your brother is obviously suicidal, and there's a gun, literally not even a foot away from his hand. I wonder what will happen!
C: I know, right! You need to have weapons away.
G: Yeah, I mean, obviously that's not how this episode pans out, but like, if Dean just like, walked away with that gun, there would have been more of a fight, you know, like, it would have happened differently.
C: Yeah, agreed.
I guess Dean's main thought is just that he really needs to get away from this situation, so he wasn't thinking that clearly. Or, I don't know. Maybe he- I feel like maybe he just doesn't want to cope with the fact that Sam would kill himself. Like maybe he's hoping that Sam keeps telling Dean to do it because Sam can't do it himself, so he's thinking that Sam will be safe as long as he doesn't do it. I don't know. Or, he's been in this mindset that he has to be the one who kills Sam for so long that he's probably forgotten that Sam can just kill Sam.
G: [laughs] Yeah.
C: Yeah.
And obviously, Sam picks up the gun. And [laughing] my first thought when he did that was like, "In the motel room? Someone's gonna have to clean that up, Sam!"
G: [laughing] Literally, you cannot die in a motel room.
C: Fucking rude!
G: Like, think of the couple who will show up the next day and find your body. Come on.
C: Yeah, no, you need to go to the woods or something. Like, at least give the animals a meal out of it, dude. Like, come on.
Yeah, so Sam says, "No, you'll live." And then he says, "You'll live to regret this." And then he hits Dean with the gun and Dean blacks out. And, okay, so this is the moment that we realize that Sam is still possessed.
G: Is still possessed!
C: Yes. And, oh my god.
G: You know what's funny?
C: Uh-huh.
G: I didn't- I wasn't so clear on whether Meg is still there or is gonna come back.
C: Yeah, same.
G: So this whole episode, I was thinking, like, until this point, I was thinking, "I don't think Jared is acting well this episode. Like, I don't think- I think he's like, acting too much." And, like, the whole time I was thinking, like, "This is so- he's acting so weirdly, like, maybe Jared, like, something was up with him this day, and his acting was just off." [C laughs] And so when the revealed happened that like, he was actually possessed the entire time, I was like, is that- is that an acting- like, was that a conscious acting choice, and if so, good job, honestly.
C: Yeah, I think-
G: Jared Padalecki praise. [C laughs] Who would've thought? Not me.
C: I think the- yeah, again, I didn't know for sure if it was Meg or Sam, and I think I was mostly watching this like it was Sam, or I was reacting to it emotionally like it was Sam. Because I think that if this was the actual situation Sam was in, he'd also like, basically do all the same things. But yeah, I think the main moments where I was like, "Huh. I feel like he's still possessed." were all the moments where he was like, "Wait! I remember this!" Like- [laughing]
G: Yeah, like, he was really overacting in those scenes, and it was a matter of "is this, like, a TV show thing where the actor's overacting, or is it like, layers, you know?" But it turns out it is layers, so.
C: Yeah.
G: Hell yeah.
C: Hell yeah.
G: Anyway, Dean blacks out, as we said earlier, and then he wakes up to someone knocking on the door insistently. The guy opens the door and says, "You need to leave. Like, you're past the time. And someone is gonna use your room." And, like, they pan to a couple, and, like, all I was thinking of was like, first off, are they not gonna clean this room?
C: Yeah! It's a motel, so probably not. I don't know.
G: Well, I mean. [laughs] Pre-COVID, everything was just up in the air.
C: True.
G: Literally no one was cleaning anything. You can do whatever you want.
C: Yeah, people were just kissing sick people with tongue, you know.
G: You know. Everything was up for grabs. [C laughs] But yeah.
Dean asks, like, "Have you seen the guy who was with me?" and the manager was like, "Yeah, he went out a little bit earlier and he took your car-"
C: Okay, wait, we should note the, like, the joke when it pans to the couple is, like, the woman has like, a lot of makeup on-
G: Yeah, he says, like, "I bet they do," yeah.
C: - and like, you're supposed to think that she's a sex worker, and it's not a good joke. Like, they didn't need it.
G: I didn't really think that, but the transcript says, like, it is a hooker.
C: Yeah, no, this is like- like, this is like, the way that they costume and do like, makeup for like, sex worker characters like, on Les Mis and stuff. Like, at least, I could tell immediately like, that was what they were going for.
G: Dean asks if he can use the guy's computer. The guy's like, "Why would I let you use my computer?" And then we cut to Dean using the computer, and the guy is in the back, like, counting stacks of money [C laughs], so, good for them.
Dean says, like- [laughs]
C: [laughing] This is the funniest fucking scene.
G: He says, like, "My son snuck out of the house and went to a Justin Timberlake concert, [C laughing] and I'm starting to worry. Like, he's diabetic ,so he needs his insulin." Like, he's really- he's really weaving these excuses, but like, it's so funny, because Sam ends up to be in Duluth, Minnesota [C laughing], which, I believe is not a destination for a Justin Timberlake concert. And I- I just thought this scene was so funny. Like-
C: It is. And I just love that Dean chose, like, Justin Timberlake concert. Like, he's like, "What are the kids into? Justin Timberlake?"
G: [laughs] Literally.
C: Yeah, and at some point, someone on the other side of the phone says something, and Dean's like, "What? Oh, yeah, Justin is quite the triple threat." So like, [laughing] the person on the phone was like, "Justin Timberlake? He's soo hot," or something. Like-
G: Literally. God. I don't even know who Justin Timberlake is. [laughing] I know he- I know he... did that thing.
C: Did he do "Sexy Back" or, no- who was that?
G: No, that's Backstreet Boys.
C: Yeah, yeah, yeah, he- no, Justin Timberlake also-
G: Was in Backstreet Boys?
C: No, no, no, he, like, he also did "Sexy Back," like, the song- wait, is it even by- no, it's by Justin Timberlake.
G: He's bisexual?!
C: No, no, no, "Sexy Back." The song "Sexy Back."
G: Wait [laughing], why did you say "bi"? What does that mean-
C: No, I said the song is by him.
G: [laughing] Okay. [both laughing] Justin Timberlake bisexual, confirmed.
C: Yeah, no, okay.
G: It's an exclusive scoop from BAB-
C: Oh my god, wait. Wait, do you think Dean is actually a Justin Timberlake fan because demon!Dean does "Sexy Back" karaoke?
G: Okay, can you remind me what "Sexy Back" is? And I want you to sing it with your heart out. Like, full on performance [laughs]. I just wanna hear it. I'm not sure-
C: Wait, wait, wait, wait, nevermind, nevermind. Dean's song is "I'm too sexy for my shirt" or whatever. That was his thing.
G: Yeah.
C: Yeah, no, "Sexy Back" is the one that goes like, “I'm bringing sexy back / Them other boys don't know how to act," etc, etc. I'm not singing it with my heart [G laughs], especially because there are no actual notes in it, he's just singing the same note over and over again.
G: [laughing] No, yeah, I recognize this song, yeah.
C: Okay, nevermind, Dean's not a Justin Timberlake fan. And he shouldn't be.
G: Apparently, you're not, either. [laughs]
C: Yeah.
G: I do not know anything about this man.
C: I mean, he kind of sucks.
G: Is he the guy who did the thing with the- Janet Jackson?
C: At the Super Bowl? Yep. Yeah. So he sucks.
G: Yeah, oh, okay, so this guy sucks.
C: Yeah.
G: We're kicking him out of the LGBT community. [C laughs]
C: God, I need to make sure he's not actually bi, because that would just- I would be very upset.
G: Wait, let's [laughs]- let's look it up. "Justin Timberlake sexuality." Noo.
C: No, okay, I'm not getting anything, but Pink News has a story called "Justin Timberlake declares himself and LGBT+ ally."
-
C: Yeah, so we go to Minnesota, and we see Jo! Hi, Jo!
G: Hi, Jo!
C: Yeah, Jo looks like she's doing well, like, I don't know. She looks healthy. I'm happy for her.
G: She has like, some beach waves going on. She looks popping.
C: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Mm-hm. She looks great. And like, I like the long-sleeved shirt she has on. I mean, she's in Minnesota, and like, and this is probably around the winter, so she should probably have like, more layers on, but like, go, girl. Like, dress for the weather. So true.
So, Sam who is not Sam comes in, and like, now that you know that he's not Sam, he, like, looks a lot more menacing, or like, he's acting a lot weirder, and I don't know if that's just because I know or because there was a conscious acting choice made after- in scenes after the reveal. So he comes in, and Jo's saying like, "Sorry, we're closed," and Sam says, "How about just one for the road?" And Jo sees him and greets him, gets him a beer, and asks how he found her. Sam just goes like, "It's kind of what we do, you know?" Like, [laughing] Meg is so cosplaying being a hunter right now. Yeah, and says that Dean couldn't make it. Jo asks why he's here because they didn't part on the best of terms. And Sam says, like, "That's why I'm here." And like, he takes off his jacket, but like- and I feel like, normally, you wouldn't think anything of it, but like, they showed Jo like, looking oddly at the thing, and then you're like, "Ah. Ah, shit." So, yeah, Sam says that he came here to like, make up, and Jo sees that there's a burn on his arm, and we don't see it very clearly, but when we see it later, it literally is just the letter Q. [both laughing] Happy pride month. So, yeah, so Sam, when she points it out, he's like, "Oh, no I just ran in with a hot stove." When would Sam even be encountering a stove? It's not like you can cook in motels.
G: That's true.
C: I also wonder what Sam's cooking is like.
G: I don't think Sam has ever touched a stove at this point.
C: [laughing] Which is why he just touches stoves with his bare hands in the bunker, no one ever taught him.
G: Literally, that's exactly why. Yeah. He just touches a raw, unprotected pots of heated chili. [C laughs]
C: Yeah. Though I guess Dean had to have cooked for him before. Like, was there a stove in the Spaghetti-O's stuff?
G: Probably.
C: Yeah, okay, so there are some stoves in their lives.
So, Sam goes, like, "Look, I know how you feel about my dad, and I can't say I blame you. He was obsessed, consumed with hunting. And he didn't care who got caught in the crossfire." So true, I can't believe it's not Sam saying this. And he says, "And I guess that included your dad. But that was my father. That's not me." Why is this even fucking relevant, Sam? How is "I'm not like that" even relevant to your apology?
G: [laughs] Well, it's not him.
C: I know it's not him. Okay, fine. Meg, you're bad at this.
G: But also, they- like, this scene, like, it, you know, it does a good job of making you hate this character, you know?
C: Yeah.
G: Like, "Oh, this character's an asshole!" So, job well done.
C: Yeah. And Jo asks, "What about Dean?" And Sam goes, "Well, Dean's more like my father than I am, but..." And then he, like, sees Jo's face- Okay, wait, so why is Jo asking this? Just like a "Is Dean a good guy 'cause I still think he's hot" kind of question?
G: No, I think this question was like, "You're saying that to me, but does your brother even share the same sentiment?"
C: Oh, yeah, right. Like, "Is he gonna apologize to me, too?" Yeah, okay, right, and then Meg starts really not acting like Sam. Like, he, like, does this laugh, and he's going like, "Oh, wow, you're like, really hung up on him, right? Too bad. Because, see, Dean, he likes you, sure, but not in the way you want. I mean, maybe it's kind of like, a little sister, you know, but romance? That's just out of the question!" And he, like, does this like, mean laugh-
G: Literally-
C: -and he's like, "He thinks you're kind of a schoolgirl, you know?"
What was- what were you gonna say?
G: I was like, literally Mean Girls era. [C laughs]
C: Yeah. And it's- he's acting very unnatural in this scene, I suppose. Perhaps even supernatural. [both laugh] And I think Meg, like, remembers that she's supposed to be Sam and like, pulls it back a little, I guess, like, "I'm not trying to hurt you, Jo." And then Sam says, "I'm telling you because I care." And then, ugh, he like, puts his hand over hers, like, and you can tell it's a tight grip. And he says, "I mean it. I care about you a lot." And Jo asks, "Sam, what's going on?" And she tries to pull away, but he won't let go, and he says, "I can be more to you, Jo." What is- what is even the point of this? What is even the point of this? Like-
G: I also wonder that because-
C: Because we find out later that he's just there- she's just there for like, bait-
G: Bait, yeah.
C: - for Dean to come here and then shoot Sam to stop him from killing Jo. Like, none of this shit was necessary. Like, Meg could have just come in, knocked Jo out, and tied her to a pole.
G: No, exactly. I think this is just, like, to show that Meg is, quote, "having fun," you know?
C: Yeah. Ugh. Well, I don't like Meg's definition of fun. Yeah, and maybe it's just to cue us in that it's Meg or give us hints that it's Meg, 'cause I feel like, at least, you know, in "Shadow," she does a sexual assault. I feel like, they're like, making it part of her character or something.
G: Mm-hm.
C: Yeah. So Jo tells Sam to leave, and he says, "Okay," and starts going away, but when she turns away, like, he, like, attacks her, and like, grabs her. And she- she still thinks he's Sam right now, which I think is the saddest part of the situation. Like, yeah, no, like, near the end of the fight, like, yeah, no, it's like, bad. It seems like, he's like, getting her into position to rape her, and she's screaming, like, "Sam, no, please." Like oh, god. Like, this sucks for Jo! This sucks so bad for Jo. Like, I guess she and Sam weren't like, besties before this-
G: Yeah.
C: - and like, she generally thought that Dean was kind of misogynistic and probably thought that Sam was also misogynistic as an offshoot, but like, she trusted him enough to let him use her as bait in "No Exit," and like, generally probably thought he was like, a guy to be trusted, and like, I don't know, it just sucks that like, this is happening, and she still thinks it's him, and it's- ugh. It just has to hurt.
G: I do wonder, like, how they proceed with Sam and Jo.
C: Yeah, I don't know how she looks at him anymore.
G: And I have no idea. I genuinely have no idea. I- 'cause, like, the only thing I remember about Jo is like, season 4 onwards. I don't know anything about what happens in season 2 and 3 to Jo, so, who knows, you know? I don't.
C: Yeah. Yeah.
So he knocks her out by like, slamming her forehead into the bar, and he says, like, "It didn't have to be this way. Or maybe it did." And like, he does it really creepily because he's really close to her face and stroking her hair, and like, why, though? Like, why? [laughs] Yeah. So that's the end of that scene.
G: So Jo wakes up, and she's being tied to a pole, and it's- we're back to the really bad slow-mo for a little bit.
C: Uh-huh.
G: And this is like, the start of Sam taunting Jo about what happened with her dad. So, like, at first, Jo immediately knows at this point that like, this is not Sam. Like, she says immediately, as soon as she wakes up, like, "You're not Sam."
C: I wonder what part clued her in. Like, 'cause she still thought it was him up until the knockout.
G: No, I think, like, at that point, she was like, "Oh, well, this person is not really acting like Sam," but, like, I guess, like, because it's like, she's screaming, so like, what else would you scream at that moment?
C: Right. That's true. Then I guess I wonder at what earlier point she knew it wasn't him.
G: Maybe it's like, connect the dots. Like, he has a weird symbol on his arm, and he's acting weird, and it's like, "Well, maybe this guy's not Sam."
C: And also, "He's trying to hit on me by first saying that his brother views me as a sister. Like, Sam hasn't read The Game: Infiltrating the Secret Society of Pickup Artists." [G laughs] [laughs] Like, yeah, no, the negging tactics that Meg used there were like, come on.
G: Anyway, Jo basically reveals that John and Bill, her dad, were like, setting a trap up somewhere in California for some monster, and that her dad was bait, and John was in hiding, but John like, stepped in too early and like, revealed the whole plan, and the monster killed Bill. And Sam’s like, “No no no, you got that wrong. You don't even know the truth. Your mom probably doesn't even know the truth." And he says, like, that the monster didn't kill him. It just hurt him real bad to the point that he was holding his insides in his hands.
C: Geez.
G: And he was gurgling blood, and he was just praying to see you and your mom one more time. So John shot him. Put him out of his misery like a sick dog. Ooh!
Jo, in denial, says, like, "You're lying." She's crying.
C: Yeah, god.
G: And Sam says, "I'm not. It's true. My daddy shot your daddy in the head." Hell yeah!
C: It's such an iconic line.
G: It is an iconic line.
C: And it's delivered, like, yeah, I love the way it's delivered all sing-songy.
G: Jo like, asks, "Why are you doing this to me?" And Sam says, "Because, like father, like daughter. I'm using you as bait." And then he starts like, tying her mouth up when Dean busts into the door. And he's holding a gun up at Sam, and Sam immediately changes. Like, just at a snap.
C: It's a really good scene where you see him, transfer to Sam mode.
G: It's so good! It's so good. Yeah! And he, like- because the entire Jo scene, he was acting so different. And then suddenly, it's like, [lowers pitch] "I told you to shoot me, Dean!"
C: [laughs] Yeah.
G: That's my Sam voice. [laughs]
C: Right. You know what I'm mad about? I'm mad that Jared Padalecki didn't put on the Meg sexy voice when he was being regular Meg. Like, I think that he should have. [laughs] I think it's misogynistic to not.
G: You mean the slur? The like, little flowy "ooh!"
C: Mm-hm.
G: Sam is saying like, "I told you to kill me. You would have done me a favor. Shoot me! I would kill Jo if you don't kill me." And Dean puts down his gun, and Sam approaches him and says, like, "What's wrong with you? You're so scared of being alone that you'd rather let Jo die?" Ooh!
C: Ahh! Spicy!
G: And then Dean turns around and splashes Sam with holy water. And it, you know, it burns him up and shit. So Dean finally figures out that this is a demon. Sam does the black eyes thing, and, you know, more holy water. Sam [laughs] literally just jumps out a window. Good for him. [C laughing] He literally just- he literally just goes straight out the window and jumps out of it. And then Dean-
C: I mean, I think Meg just really likes jumping out of windows. Honestly, I'm really pissed that they didn't do the thing where it's like, after like, Meg Masters's body fell out of the window, all her bones are broken, and as soon as Meg gets exorcised, she'll die. But like, Sam's completely fine after Meg gets exorcised? No. I want every bone in his body to be broken. [laughs]
G: [laughs] Yeah. Anyway, Dean unties Jo and then jumps out of the window after Sam, but right before that, like, Jo screams, "He was possessed?" And then Dean just looks at her and runs. What a loser! You could have just said that.
C: Yeah, I know! He's such a fucking dick. Yeah, like, you aren't wasting any time if you say "Yes" while you're running. I just- don't- It just sucks, 'cause, like, he shows up, and like, just, first, Jo knows that Dean wouldn't even like, shoot Sam in the foot to prevent her from dying. [both laughing] Like-!
G: Literally shoot him in like, the pinky.
C: Yeah, like, literally, he could have just thrown something at him. Like, that whole scene, I know it was supposed to be high drama or whatever, but like, literally, like, [laughing] "Uh-oh, Dean! I'm gonna kill her! You better shoot me! Oh no!" Like, literally at any point, you could have just thrown something at Sam and gotten Jo out. Like, I don't know. It was not even a good setup as an ultimatum. But also, the fact that Dean does nothing is wild.
But yeah, Jo knows that Dean wouldn't even shoot Sam in the foot to save her entire life. The last time she saw Dean, Dean was using her as bait. And also, earlier, she got like, basically sexually assaulted by a ghost. And now, like, this is happening to her again, and Dean's like, completely ignoring her. And like, the only thing he did was untie her. Like, this sucks for Jo. This sucks so bad.
G: Yeah.
C: And Dean's a dick.
-
C: So we're in a warehouse where we're basically getting a scene from Tom and Jerry. [both laugh]
G: This entire scene is exposition. Like, nothing happens. They point guns at each other [C laughing], and, like, the moment you think someone is gonna take a shot, they just don't, and it's like, "Okay, cool. So we're literally just here to talk." And I mean, it's fine to just be here to talk, but like [laughs]-
C: It is kind of comical.
G: - Can we get some action, pwease? Pwease? Can we get some action, pwease?
C: Yeah. So they're like, in the warehouse, and they're both like, trying to go at each other, they all have guns. And they're like, walking around on tiptoes, like, backwards; peeking around corners and stuff. So Dean's questioning Sam and asking who the demon is, and there's like- Meg just says, "I've got lots of names." And says, like [laughs], "You should have seen your face when you thought he murdered that guy. Pathetic." So fucking true. Pathetic.
Dean asks why Meg didn't kill him, but she says, like, "No, that would've been too easy. This was a test. I wanted to see if I could push you far enough to waste Sam. Should've known you wouldn't have the sack." [laughing] Do people say that instead of "balls"?
G: I mean, they're allowed to say "balls" in Supernatural.
C: Yeah, like, Bobby says "balls," right?
G: Yeah.
C: As like, a swear?
G: Yeah.
C: Well, yeah.
G: Well.
C: And Dean says, like, "You're gonna pay hell for this." And Meg says, "How? You can't hurt me. Not without hurting your little brother." And just, at that, Dean just puts the gun away. He just puts the gun away. And he just takes out the flask of holy water instead. And it does make me emo.
And yeah, Meg says, "I think you're gonna die, Dean. You and every other hunter I can find. [laughing] One look at Sam's dewy, sensitive eyes, they'll let me right in their door." So fucking true. One look at Sam's dewy, sensitive eyes. [laughs] Me too.
So Meg gets out of the warehouse, and they're like, on this dock, like, overlooking a bunch of water near a bridge, and Meg just shoots Dean in the shoulder, and he falls right into the water. And she like, looks over to where Dean fell, and then, does like, a little smirk. And it is very fun seeing Meg’s smirk on Sam's face.
G: We go to Jo, who's walking around the water area- I don't know if this is a river. This is not a river, this is a lake. Yeah. We get Jo, who's walking around through the docks, and she's calling Dean, and Dean's phone, for some reason, was not broken in this dip into the water [C laughs], but instead is-
C: But we're Gen-Zers, you know? Like, flip phones are strong. Our iPhones, like, cry and scream if they touch a little bit of water.
G: Yeah. Yeah, but his like, a voicemail rings up, and so she finds him. And, for some reason, he is in the docks, not in the middle of the water. And he's unconscious, too. Why is he here?
C: Maybe he swam and then passed out?
G: I mean, perhaps. But Jo picks him up, and Dean's like, "Where's Sam?" And Jo says, basically, "I don't know. Let's patch you up." And then they go to the Roadhouse.
C: No, just the Minnesota bar.
G: This is- this is a different place? This is not the Roadhouse.
C: The Roadhouse isn't in Minnesota. It's in like, Nevada or something, right?
G: Hm. That makes sense.
C: Because, remember when Jo left- Jo left home, so she's been hunting and working around the country.
G: Around- yeah. Yeah, anyway, she proceeds to go to the bar, and like, [laughs] Dean is like, drinking whiskey as Jo is digging out the bullet from his shoulder. And like, he goes “Eugh!” And Jo goes, “Don't be a baby!” Love that. [C laughs]
C: Yeah, love that.
G: Yeah. And, you know, they do the whole like, patching up thing. And at some point, Dean says, "You're a butcher," and Jo just looks at him like, "Wow, the audacity of this guy-"
C: I know!
G: And says, "You're welcome."
C: She literally should have left him there to die. [both laugh]
G: Literally leave him there to die. Jo makes conversation, asked how he knew Sam was possessed, and Dean basically says, like, "I didn't. I just knew that it wasn't him." And Jo asks-
C: Yeah, which, okay, Dean. And you didn't even shoot him in the fucking foot to save Jo's life. [laughs] Alright.
G: Jo asks, like, "I know demons lie, but can they also tell the truth?" And Dean, probably reminiscing about what the demon said about John in "Crossroad Blues" says, like, "Yeah, I guess they tell the truth sometimes when they know it'll fuck you up. Why do you ask?"
C: Do you think Meg learned about Bill's death by talking to John in Hell?
G: Maybe. Or maybe this is like- because the way they talk about it, like, they were trapping a "hellspawn," right?
C: Oh, yeah.
G: It's implied that it's a demon. So it's probably, like, running around in demon, I don't know, newsletters. [both laugh] Like, they have an email, and they send it out every month to update you on the happenings.
C: [laughs] Yeah, okay, that makes sense.
G: [laughing] They have a Ko-Fi account, and it's like, pay us $3 each month, and we will send out an email about all the hunters that we have killed so far. [C laughing]
Jo is like, "Oh, okay, then. Fuck." and asks where Sam is gonna head to next. And Dean Says, like, "Nearest hunter is in South Dakota, so I guess he's going there." So, yeah. They're done.
C: That's very far from Minnesota. I don't know how they drive that fast.
G: Is it?
C: I think so because is really up north because it's very cold. Let me actually check the drive time from Minnesota to South Dakota.
Also, we learned that Bobby lives in South Dakota. I don't think I knew what state he was in before.
It's an 8-hour drive.
G: Ooh. Not that bad.
C: Yeah, not that bad, but like, Dean needs his 4 hours of sleep.
G: I remember one time, I was writing a fic, and I was like, "I want to get Cas to go to-" what's this? That cold place that's in the Midwest? I want him to get in Missoula, Montana. I want him to end up in Missoula, 'cause like- convoluted reason. I want him to be in Missoula. And like, [laughs] I looked up the time between Kansas to Missoula, and it was like, 24 hours or something, and I was like, "Okay! Cool..." [both laugh]
C: So yeah. That seems too- are you sure? That seems too long, like, it's not- is it that far?
G: Let me look up. "Lebanon to Missoula."
C: Okay, no, you're right. I'm getting- yeah, no, it is very long. My god. Yeah, no, it's a 17-hour drive.
G: Anyway, like, Dean heads out, and Jo's like, "Okay, let's go." But Dean says, "You're not coming with me. If you try to follow me, I will tie you up"!? [C sighs] This is like- I get that he doesn't know-
C: Honestly, I hope he dies. [laughs] Yeah.
G: I get that he probably doesn't know what happened prior to the tying up, but, like, the mere fact that she got tied up. Like, don't you think that you're probably like, scaring the hell out of Jo by saying, like, "If you don't do this, I'm gonna tie-" like, oh my god, Dean! But basically, he says, like, "This is my fight. I'm not gonna get your blood on my hands."
C: Oh god, I hope he dies for real. Honestly, I think my note when he said that was "I think he should get 20 misogyny points for that." [both laugh]
G: He's so- ugh!
C: Oh, I hate him.
G: Anyway, they, like, linger on Jo for a while and, as he walks out she goes, “Wait.” And then she throws him like, some pain reliever and goes like, “That'll help with the pain.” And like, this kind of like, puts Dean a little bit like, out of it. Not like that. As in, like, he's like, a bit taken aback that like, "Oh, she's not like, trying to get- she's not trying to go with me. She's just giving me this painkiller. That's quite nice." Or at least that's how I read the situation. Like, he's thinking, like, "Oh, that's nice." But she gets- he says, like, "Thanks. I'll call you later, okay?" And we linger on Jo. And as Dean goes off into the world, Jo goes, “No, you won't.”
C: So true.
G: And I was like, "What are they-" like, are they trying to do, like, a pining situation here?
C: I think they are. I mean, yeah, no, Meg’s whole speech to Jo about how Dean doesn't view her as an equal was also clearly going in that direction, and, you know, Dean saying all this just confirms that for Jo.
G: I think this is a good scene, actually.
C: Yeah. I quite liked it.
G: Yeah, like, you know, Jo is perhaps pining for Dean, but like, I guess I didn't really read it that way. It's more like- well, I guess, it is. Whatever.
C: Yeah, but it's also-
G: I thought it was an interesting- okay, go on.
C: I think, yeah, no, I get what you mean by not reading it that way, because it's also just a general, like, "These guys like, come into my life, fuck it up, and then don't give me any follow-up. And like, it sucks, and I just don't have any friends, and I feel like they kind of are the closer things that I have to friends in my life, and like, that sucks." Like, I feel like you can also read it like that.
G: I read it as- you know that poem? That's like, "For M"? The title is "For M"? I forgot who wrote it. It's like-
C: Oh, the like, "leave your scarf behind in my life" one?
G: Yeah, like, "linger in the door before you leave"? "Leave your scarf behind and come back later for it"? Like, I read this scene as that. Like, you won't even- you won't even give me like, a goodbye wave. Like, you won't even like, you know, you won't even look back at me to say "Okay, bye" before you exit the door.
C: Yeah.
G: And, like, I feel that. Because that is something you look for it other people show up in your life. You're like, "Well, at least like, turn around and acknowledge that you're leavingo r something." Like, Dean is- I think this is kind of like, showing the way, like, the Winchester's are so absorbed in their problems and so absorbed in the happenings in their internal life that they tend to ignore, like, other people around them.
C: Yeah. Yeah, no, I am really glad that we ended on Jo, you know? Because-
G: Yeah.
C: In "No Exit," we like, ended on Dean after the reveal that John got Bill killed. So like, I'm glad that they're saying, like, "No, this is like, about Jo. This is Jo's story, this bit of this episode."
G: Yeah.
C: Also, ugh, did you- I really thought for a second when she gave him the pills that she was gonna have him-
G: [laughing] She was gonna poison him!
C: - take them now, and they were gonna be like, a sleeping pill or something-
G: Noo!
C: - and then she would like, drag him, unconscious, to the car and start driving to South Dakota. Ugh. But, alas. [laughs]
G: Alas, it's not what happened. Yeah, I really like this scene, and I think it really humanizes Jo, and like, I don't even see it as particularly romantic, even. I think I've said this before. Like, when they first met, I was like, "Oh, this is kind of cool, and like, I kind of ship them, I guess," blah blah blah, Now that has kind of faded. It's just more like, "This is like, a person in their life and someone that they allegedly care about. But look at how they treat her! And look at how they leave other people in their life behind."
C: Yeah.
G: It just makes me so sad.
C: Ugh. We don't see any more of Jo the rest of this episode, right?
G: Yeah. I don't think so, yeah.
C: Which makes me sad. Like, I thought, maybe- they should at least like, circle back with her and be like, " We got the demon now. Are you doing okay?" You know?
G: Yeah. I hope, like, Bobby calls her.
C: Yeah. And I also hope that Jo has someone to talk to.
G: Is it- is it even ever established at Bobby is like, sweet on Jo? Like, I know him and Ellen are a ship in the Supernatural fandom. I don't really know the particulars of their relationship. Yeah. [laughs] It's like a throuple situation. [laughs] Bobby/Rufus/Ellen.
C: Who? Oh, yeah, yeah.
G: Bobby/Rufus/Ellen. That's like, their throuple situation. Good for them.
C: Good for them.
Yeah, I mean- I guess in the family picture, it seems like Bobby and Jo are friends, at least.
G: They know each other, yeah.
C: Yeah, so hopefully, he does sort of view her in a father figure way.
G: I hope she calls her.
C: Yeah, me too. I hope that Jo has someone to talk to you after this, because it's a terrible situation, and I feel like she probably wouldn't feel comfortable telling Ellen about it. She doesn't want Ellen to get overprotective. So I guess like, she could talk to Ash, maybe, but [G laughs] I don't know he's the right one to debrief after this, you know?
G: [laughing] Yeah.
C: I hope she has more friends.
G: Yeah. Go have friends, Jo.
C: Yeah.
G: A girlfriend, even, if you feel like it.
C: Yeah. Yeah, no, I think- I think I've read like, an Eileen x Jo fic. Go find Eileen.
G: I think Eileen and Jo would, what's the term? Hit it off.
C: Mm-hm. Agreed.
C: We've lingered on this for so long, we need to fucking go on.
C: No, yeah. Jo deserves it! [laughs] But yes.
G: Jo deserves-
C: The entire BABPod episode to be about her.
G: - literally just- literally the last 20 minutes of this episode is just us talking about Jo, and then we go, "Ugh, I don't really wanna talk about anything else. Bye!" [both laughing]
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C: Yeah, so Dean is calling Sam, and apparently- okay, so I guess we cut to Sam, and, what, he's cutting off Bobby's phone line?
G: Yeah, like, I think Dean is calling Bobby, and Sam just nips it and it's actually a pretty cool scene.
C: Yeah.
G: And Dean goes, like, “Dammit.” And we see Sam going into Bobby's house!
C: Ooh! Yeah, and Bobby, like, opens, and he seems really happy to see Sam, and he lets him in. And Sam’s like, quite cautious when he enters, keeps looking up at the ceiling, because, like, you know. Meg recalls when she got devil's trapped last time she was in here.
So, yeah, Bobby asks what's up, asks where Dean is, and Sam says, "Holed up somewhere with a girl and a 12-pack." It's usually a six-pack, right? I hope this imaginary Dean is sharing, and that's why it's a 12-pack. Like, six for each of them. [G laughs] And, yeah, Bobby goes into the back room, and [laughing] he says the most inane sentence, which is, "Oh, yeah, is she pretty?" And I'm gonna believe with all my heart that this is just him stalling for time, 'cause what an empty question.
G: As he- as he literally like, pores like, a drop of holy water into the beer. Literally, go Bobby.
C: Yeah, uh-huh, it's great. Yeah, and Meg loves the drama, so she lets Sam's eyes go over black for a moment as she says, like, "If you ask me, he's in way over his head." Love that.
[laughing] Do you think demons have exhibitionist kinks relating to their eyes? [G laughing] Like, "ooh, flashing my black eyes in public!"
Bobby hands Sam a beer and says, "It's good to see you." And he says, "To John." Girl, why? [laughs]
G: Literally- Well, I mean, it makes sense, because the last time we see him was in episode 1, right?
C: Mm-hm.
G: Wait, but they were in Bobby's house in episode 2. So, like, they spent that entire era of their life post-John death in Bobby's house. So why is Bobby now being like, "Okay, let's give your dad a toast." Come on, Bobby. [C laughs]
C: Yeah, come on, Bobby. Yeah, and Sam says, "To Dad." And then Meg takes a sip of the beer and then suddenly like, starts choking, and like, there's like gagging, and like, I think her voice is different- like it sounds like half-demonic or something.
G: Very hoarse, yeah.
C: Yeah. And like, she says, "What did you do?” Bobby says, like, “A little holy water in the beer." And then he says, "Don't try to con a conman." And then knocks Sam out.
Okay, everyone in Supernatural goes unconscious when they get like, punched once in the face. Is this how being unconscious works? Is it that easy?
G: To be unconscious? Surprisingly-
C: Yeah, if you punch them in the face. Okay, wow, okay.
G: Surprisingly, I have not been punched in the face. [C laughs] I think I deserve it, honestly. I don't know how people hold their fists back. But yeah, I don't know.
C: Yeah, oh well. I guess if I ever get punched in the face, I'll come back and tell y'all if I passed out or not.
G: We'll find out.
Sam wakes up, and he's tied to a chair. He's under the devil's trap. And it's Dean and Bobby looking at him. And [laughs], Sam says, like, "Wow, Dean. Back from the dead. Getting to be a regular thing for you, isn't it? Like a cockroach."
C: A cockroach.
G: And I fucking adore that. He's literally like a fucking cockroach.
And Dean threatens violence, and Sam says, "Well, I'm still in Sam's body, so you won't hurt me." But, like, Dean throws holy water at Sam, and Sam literally like, does the whole "Uwah!" as he sizzles up [C laughs]. And then Sam says like-
C: Yeah, does that really not hurt the vessel? Because we've seen that holy water will burn through-
G: Deep burn, yeah.
C: - yeah, like someone's shirt, So like, surely, like, his skin must be getting burned too.
G: Yeah, well we've talked about this, but we've established the shirt becomes demonic. [both laughing]
C: Yeah.
G: So. Yeah.
C: Right.
G: Yeah. Sam like, threatens that- well, the demon - Meg - threatens that he'll bite Sam's tongue off if Dean doesn't stop. But, like, Dean just goes, "Well, Bobby. Lead the stage." And Bobby starts reading the incantation for exorcism. Sam just like, starts laughing and reveals that he's got a new trick.
C: Wait, did you skip over the part where Dean says, like, [laughing] "Also, whatever bitchboy master plan you demons are cooking up-" [laughs] Love that. Okay, well, basically, what Dean's saying is like, "Whatever like, grand plan you demons are doing, like, I'm gonna kill all of you first." And like, Meg laughs and says, like, "Oh, you think that's what this is about? Like, I don't care about that." So you know that this is a personal vendetta situation rather than a season 2 overarching plot situation.
G: Yeah, we cannot get overarching plot at episode 14. Are you insane? Episode 14, we get overarching plot? Come on. [both laugh] But Sam, well, Meg reveals that there's a new trick in town, which is she can't get exorcised out of the body. It's revealed that the burn Jo saw earlier was a spell, basically, to keep a demon inside a body. So the room starts shaking, and like, there's like, a fireplace behind them, and it like, lights the fuck up. And the ceiling cracks. Everything is being destroyed. And the demon trap gets cracked open.
C: Hell yeah.
G: So Meg is now in full power, and she blasts Bobby to the side of the room and starts going after Dean. She starts hitting him, right? So they're like, at the corner of the room, and she's holding him down. So, like, Sam says- well, Meg says that she's been in Hell, and that Hell is like... Hell.
C: [laughing] Hell.
G: Even for demons.
C: She's so funny.
G: I think we discussed this in the podcast before, but this is the first revelation in Supernatural that, like, demons also don't like Hell, right?
C: Yeah.
G: Yeah. And she describes it as "a prison made of bone and flesh and blood and fear." I love that.
C: Yeah, poetic.
G: I love the concept of Hell as like, something organic, you know? Like, you're inside a being, and you're churning over there. Agh! So good. And this is when Meg reveals like, "You sent me back there." And Dean goes, "Meg." [laughs] Love him!
Yeah, so Meg says, "Not anymore now. I'm Sam. And I also saw your dad in Hell, and what I was telling myself down there was that one day I'll climb up here and fucking torture the hell out of you." And she says- this is the part of the episode where I kind of got annoyed, because I was like, "This is supposed to be Sam's episode." [laughs]
C: Yeah! It is.
G: Stop being like "Dean is so sad. Dean is so- he feels worthless." [C laughing] And it's like, shut up. This is literally not his episode.
C: Yeah, I- right, it just it feels a lot like the season one finale where it's supposed to be about Sam, and then either Azazel or Meg corners Dean and just says a bunch of character theses about him instead of like, doing anything interesting. [laughs]
G: Literally. But basically what she says is, "Whatever I will do to torture you, what you're doing to yourself is worse. Because you're worthless; you couldn't save your dad, and you probably won't be able to save Sam. They've been better off without you." As Meg finally prepares to deal the final blow, Bobby comes up and burns the little symbol in the arm, and Meg-
C: Burns the Q off. Homophobia. [G laughs]
G: And Meg gets out of Sam's body, a la black smoke, and Sam falls over, goes, "Did I miss anything?" [C laughs]
C: Love him.
G: And Dean punches him in the face.
C: Boo.
G: Sam's literally just sitting there like, "What the hell is happening? What the fuck? Why did Dean literally just punch me right now?"
It's revealed a little bit later that he was awake for some of it, you know?
C: Uh-huh.
G: Like he was up for some stuff. But like, it would- like, in this moment, I was- I found it so funny that he was like, "What the hell is happening? I have no recollection of anything in the past week." [C laughing] And Dean just goes, boom! Like, I don't know why it's so funny.
C: Yeah. Why did Dean do it? Like, is it just like, "I'm so relieved that you're okay, and I'm angry that like, you didn't go on this emotional journey with me"?
G: I think it's the feeling of combination of relief and also to get the adrenaline off his body, you know, 'cause he's still in fight mode, and he's thinking, like, "I'm fighting something that's in Sam's body, so I'm basically fighting Sam." So.
C: Okay, yeah. Well, that was mean of Dean. [laughs]
G: Kind of mean.
C: So we cut to a few moments later, and Sam and Dean both have ice packs, and they're doing what Sam and Dean do to bond, which is telling each other that they look like.
crap. And Bobby Bobby comes in and says, like, "Have you ever heard of a hunter named Steve Wandell? Like, he got murdered in his own house." And then he says, like, meaningfully, like, "You wouldn't know anything about that, would you?" And Dean says, like, "Nope. Never heard of the guy." Sam seems less willing to acquiesce, but Bobby says, like, "Good, ‘cause his friends are looking for someone to pin this on. So you gotta stay out of trouble." And Dean says that they. should head out, and Bobby gives each of them a charm that will fend off possession. He says, "This will stop it from getting back up in ya." And Dean says, "That sounds vaguely dirty, but thanks." Ugh. There's like, another joke like this later-
G: Yeah, there's another joke. Let's discuss it when that happens.
C: Yeah.
Bobby says, like, "You be careful, now." Sam says, "You too," and I didn't notice this, but the. transcript says that he smiles at Bobby but Bobby doesn't smile back. Bobby, that's mean. But also, I guess it's indirectly- you are looking at the face of- the same face of the being that cracked your entire ceiling. [both laughing] I don't know how you're gonna fix your house after this, dude.
G: He's got magic house healing powers.
C: Mm. And yeah, Dean tosses like, his ice pack back to Bobby. The ice pack is like, cloth around like, a cold beer can, by the way. Yeah, so-
G: It's not!
C: Is it not?
G: It's an actual ice pack!
C: No, there was like, a can in there!
G: No, that's just how ice packs look like!
C: They look like cans?
G: They have a little- plup-plup! top. Yeah, like, you pop that open and put ice in there.
C: Huh, okay. I guess I'm more used to the bag version.
Apparently, Bobby smiles at Dean, but he doesn't smile at Sam. And this is why the Samgirls don't care about Bobby. [both laugh]
G: When Sam entered, and Bobby was so happy, I was like, "Aw, Bobby loves Sam!" And then when it was revealed that he was like, doing that to be amicable because he's gonna-he knows that this is a demon, and I was like, "Oh."
C: I know! Right, if he thought it was actually Sam, he would have just been like, "What do you want?"
G: "What do you want from me?"
-
G: Anyway, we're back in the Impala. It's night, and REO Speedwagon is playing in the car. Fun stuff.
C: Yeah, Deanjo.
G: Yeah, hashtag Deanjo moment. And Sam reveals that he was awake for some of the possession, and that he watched himself kill the hunter that died, and he saw the light go out of his eyes. Hell yeah. [laughs]
C: I'm glad he wasn't awake for the Jo thing.
G: Yeah. And he says, like, he almost carved up Jo too. So maybe he was awake for that part but not the other part, which I guess like, good for him.
C: Yeah.
G: But he says, like, "No matter what I did, you wouldn't shoot." And Dean says, like, "Of course. I mean, it wasn't you." And Sam says, "This time. yeah. But next time?" And Dean says, "Dad said I would have to kill you if I can't save you. I'm going to save you." So.
C: And the episode should have just fucking ended there.
G: Yeah. Just end the episode here! There's nothing that happens after this. [laughs]
No, but Dean says- Dean like, starts like, giggling to himself, and Sam’s like, "Oh, what are you laughing about?" And then Dean says, like, “You had a full-on girl inside you for like, a whole week." And then goes, “That's pretty naughty."
C: [laughing] What the-
G: And yeah. The episode ends. Wha- [laughing]
C: What?!
G: No, 'cause I guess they're doing the whole- I guess they're doing the whole, like, possession is akin to- like, they keep on joking that possession is akin to sex.
C: Yes.
G: And it's like, [sighs].
C: Uh-huh. Yeah.
G: Have we considered-
C: - the part where- the consent part of the sex, where if possession is akin to sex, then it's rape?
G: Have we considered the implications. Have we considered the meaning behind this jokes and it's just- The thing is, I never really figure out whether they take this aspect of possession seriously, you know?
C: Yeah.
G: I don't recall. Like, I feel like the only time they actually take possession seriously is-
C: Jimmy?
G: - with Sam and Lucifer. Like, they actually- but that's less the possession and more the torture in the Cage, you know?
C: Right.
G: I think I think with Jimmy and Cas, they do an okay job. I mean, I think it's actually a good job. But, you know, it's something they revisit and they do well. And with Nick and Lucifer, that one is interesting, but I hate Nick, so, die. [C laughs] Yeah, and like, I just- I can't recall a specific line or a moment in Supernatural where they take this idea of possession being equal to sex and run with it and actually do something about it that isn't just "Isn't it so funny-" you know. Like, actually take it seriously and take the implication seriously. Kind of a missed opportunity, I feel like.
C: Yeah. Because I feel like they did do it- do like, demons and sex and consent in "Crossroad Blues" in regards to like, the consent in like, the kiss of the demon deal. But yeah, we don't see it in like possession, which seems like a bigger violation. So yeah. It's odd.
G: Yeah.
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G: Anyway, Crystal, what do you think about this episode?
C: I wish that that Jo thing had not happened, or at least they like- I don't know if they changed the tone of it a bit or actually addressed it further. But, like, everything else was fairly delicious.
G: For me, my only complaint is that, even for a Sam episode, it's barely a Sam episode. You know what I mean?
C: Yeah.
G: I just- I wish there was more Sam.
C: Yeah.
G: And that's, you know. It's a complaint we have often, so.
C: Uh-huh.
G: Yeah, I wish there was more Sam. I wish that- no, actually, that's it, pretty much. Like, what you said, and the Sam thing. But the rest of the episode, I was genuinely cheering, like, watching this. I was incredibly entertained.
C: Yeah. The high drama.
G: I don't know how people listen to our podcast. Do they like, watch the episode, then listen to the podcast? Do they just listen to the podcast? Do they watch episodes [laughs] after they listen to the podcast? I don't know. Who knows how people listen to our podcast? But, like, I would say that this is an episode worth revisiting and watching, like, actually. I think it it's like, it has like, good thesis statements for Sam and Dean at this moment in time.
C: Yeah. Right. I think the issue with season 2 is that Sam's plot is so directly tied into Dean's storyline of having to kill Sam. And they put more emotional weight on like, Dean's like, pain over having to kill Sam than they do over Sam's pain about-
G: Dying, yeah.
C: - becoming a monster or being killed..
G: Yeah. There's an imbalance with who gets the spotlight. Yeah.
C: Mm-hm.
G: Yeah, maybe a little bit later in the season-
C: Please.
G: - we'll get more Sam. [laughs] Pwease, can we get more Sam? We want more Sam. Yeah. Anyway, what's the next one? Best Line/Worst Line.
Worst line. I think the worst line is- I just don't like the last joke Dean cracks.
C: Yeah, same.
G: I don't like it! Ugh.
It wouldn't have been that bad if it wasn't literally the way they end the episode. Like, this is the last thing on your tongue. This is the last thing you taste. It's like, okay, cool, I guess, whatever. But yeah. I don't like that one. For best line... Do you agree with the worst line, or do you have another one?
C: Yeah, I agree with the worst line.
G: Okay, I'll look for a best line.
C: Yeah, there are some good lines here, but I don't know if there's any one that stands out too much.
G: I mean, there is one.
C: Okay.
G: "Your daddy-"
C: Yeah, okay, so true.
G: Well, "My daddy shot your daddy in the head." That's a standout line. And I like it and I like the delivery, and the reveal that happens in that scene, it's pretty good. Like, it's compelling shit.
C: I agree. Especially 'cause like, John could have called Ellen and at least let Bill say goodbye, you know?
G: Yeah.
Anyway, IMDB rating.
C: After we got burned so bad by IMDB last time, I don't even know.
G: I think- I have no idea. I think this one is rated high because it's a good episode.
C: Mm-hm.
G: But I also said that last week, and, my god. [laughs] I think this one is like, an 8.7.
C: Hm. Yeah. I think "Nightshifter" being an 8.9 has just like, thrown my whole score calibration off, you know?
G: Yeah! Why the fuck is that an 8.9?
C: Because like, I feel like this was better than "Nightshifter," but also, I don't think that "Nightshifter" is a representative 8.9 IMDB episode.
Huh. Okay, I think I'm just gonna go 0.1 lower than- ugh. No, okay, I'll go higher. I'll go 8.8 on this one. 'Cause I think the suspense and the twist will make people happy. [G gasps] What?
G: I got it! I got it.
C: You got it? Oh, hell yeah.
G: Yeah. 8.7. Who would have thought? Who would have thought that, after all this time, we would get one.
C: Yay!
G: I would get it right on the nose.
C: Happy for you. Glad I found out from somewhere other than Twitter. [G laughs]
G: This one says, "Nice job, Jared." [C laughs] Actually, I agree. Not to be a Jared stan anywhere, really. And I am not. If you love Jared Padalecki, [laughs] I don't know why you're listening to our podcast, honestly. [C laughing] I don't know what led you here. But you know, it's-
C: And to be clear, we don't like any of the actors. So like, if you're like, a Cockles shipper and you're like, "Ah, I'm safe," [both laugh] no, you're not.
G: Well, yeah. I mean, I wouldn't go as far as to say I hate the actors, but like [C laughs], some of them, I'm ambivalent about, and some of them, I abhor, you know? Some of them are like, "Who cares?" and then the others I'm like, "You should die, Mark Pellegrino," you know?
Aw, this one says, "Okay, not as good as some make out. I'm getting a little bored of the Sam slash demon storyline."
C: Boo.
G: "I much prefer the standalone episodes that have a good beginning, middle, and end. But I agree that Jo adds a little extra dimension. It's good having a female hunter." I think Jo like, brings so much good stuff into the show.
C: Yeah.
G: I miss her! And like, honestly, like, the way season 5 is, I actually am not upset- I mean, because, you know. I don't know if you know this, but I was around when Charlie was killed.
C: Oh. Sorry.
G: And that was- it was atrocious. Like, the her being killed. And the way, like, the fandom reacted was like, accordingly, you know? Like, the fandom was very angry about that. 'Cause her death was just- for a show that was gonna go on for forever, and at the middle of it, they just kill a character that's so beloved, and like, like, iconic and queer and all that, and they kill her for like, shock value and for, like, manpain, basically, right?
I think Ellen and Jo, killed for similar reasons, but the gravity of the situation at that point is so different. Like it wasn't just like, collateral damage in the middle of what shit or another. It was like, "It's the apocalypse, and this scene- this like, death is like, symbolic of like, we are losing people. Important people. And we're not gonna get them back, and people are gonna die." You know, like, it's meaningful in that way.
C: Yeah.
G: Like, their death meant something, and it was a big deal. So I'm not gonna be like, "I'm mad that they killed off Jo." But like, I do think occasionally, like, if Jo made it, would Dean have settled with her, you know? It's something I wonder about. What would have happened in that? Like, would the Deanlisa plotline be a Deanjo plotline? What would she up to? Would we discover she's a lesbian? You know, shit like that.
C: Yeah. I don't- yeah- I guess she- I guess I don't know enough about Jo to know how she would fare in future seasons. But it'd be nice to see her sort of become part of Team Free Will.
G: Yeah. Yeah.
C: I don't think she would live in the bunker, but otherwise-
G: Oh, fuck no.
C: Fuck no, yeah. Get her out.
G: Nobody deserves to live in the bunker. Get out of there, guys! [both laugh]
C: Yeah, what I would have liked to see her basically in, like, every other episode, joining them.
G: Yeah, it's fascinating to me. Because I'm not really a particular type of person that's like, "I love all the characters on Supernatural!" you know? Like, I have been incredibly one-track mind about watching Supernatural.
C: For Cas.
G: Yeah, basically just as a Cas fan. Yeah, like, I'm literally just here for him. And now that we're doing this rewatch, like, when Bobby showed up, I was cheering, you know?
C: Yeah, no, I was happy to see him.
G: Yeah, and now that we're talking about Jo, I'm so compelled by her and like, I adore her. I love her character. And it's- it's nice. [laughs] I'm so earnest! Eugh! But it is nice.
C: It is.
Half of these reviews have the phrase "female hunter" in them. This is like- this was apparently a big fandom argument at the time, where people are like, "I'm glad that there's a female hunter" "I don't think there needs to be a female hunter," etc. etc. Like, whatever! Just enjoy Jo and her beach waves and how she's interesting and how we don't have to look at Sam and Dean the whole time.
G: [laughs] Literally.
C: And there's not really a gender gap in the ratings for this one. I still really want to know what the fuck happened to "Houses of the Holy"!
G: I have no idea! Why is it a 7.9?? I hate everyone.
C: Same.
G: Whatever. Let's cut this off. [laughs] Goodbye, everyone. [both laugh]
No, that's it for this episode of Busty Asian Beauties. Next week, we will be talking about Season 2, Episode 15: "Tall Tales"? Okay. It's "Tall Tales." So leave us a rating or a review wherever you get your podcasts.
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C: Bye!
[guitar music]
G: Hell yeah! One recording with absolutely nothing going wrong! Who would have th- [cut off]
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