#but like. they're still oppressed. on the basis of being DISABLED

[transmasc-wizard]

im very tired of disabled people being forgotten to, you know, exist

[heyftinally]

Taylor only has one thing when it comes to the opressed olympic. It's the fact she is a woman. And swifties use that for any criticism against her.

" Oh you just hate succesful women."

She isn't black, She isn't gay trans etc.., She isn't disabled, She isn't poor, she isn't jewish, she isn't muslim, etc... etc...

Swifties also need to learn that a black man is not more privileged than a white woman. They seem to think that she is always more oppressed against any other man.

They could literally think that a homeless black man has more privilege than the billionaire white woman. All because he is a man.

🔔🔔🔔 Ding ding ding, we have a winner, folks! You hit the nail on the head.

Taylor Swift has weaponized her white woman tears and "oppression" to her own benefit, and this is exactly how.

None of her fans seems to ACTUALLY understand how oppression works, they just take the pretty little buzzwords that they think are synonymous with "I'm a good person who's right" and parrot them like a $2 children's toy (half the time while sending death threats and racist/homophobic slurs, which makes it even more ironic)

Taylor Swift is not oppressed. She's just not. Honestly, yes, even though she's a woman - and before any feral Swifties come at me, I AM a woman - she's not oppressed, and I'll tell you why.

"Billionare" overrides most (not all) other categories. As soon as you're a billionaire, nothing else matters, because you can buy your way into and out of anything. Combine that with the facade that the entire world worships her, and guess what? Nobody gives a shit that she's a woman. She's not oppressed because a few people she's never heard of make jokes about how much she sucks - she DOES suck, but those comments have zero impact on her life. She doesn't even know they exist. In Taylorland, everyone loves her no matter what she does - even if she's best friends with/dating bigots.

In order for someone to be oppressed, systematic situations have to negatively impact their life on a day to day basis. Disabled people can't get married without losing their disability income. LGBTQ+ people are still getting murdered in the street for just existing and having their right to healthcare taken away. People of a variety of ethnic minorities still get denied things like loans at a higher rate than white people. Women get denied promotions because they're not men.

None of these things will ever happen to Taylor Swift. She can quite literally pay to access a "perfect" world, because she gets to pay her way out of normal life.

If someone makes a sexist joke? She can have that person fired and hire someone else.

She can pay for as much private security as she wants, so being safe is literally never a concern.

She can pay for private travel (and kill the planet every ten minutes), she can pay for private staff to handle her every whim and worry.

Taylor Swift has effectively paid her way out of oppression, because she can simply use her power, her money, and her legion of feral fans to get whatever she wants.

Someone makes a joke she doesn't like? Clearly it's "oppression" and now that person is "canceled" at best, or getting doxxed and sent death threats at worst.

Taylor Swift isn't oppressed because she can pay to fix nearly any problem in her life, so her biggest "problem" is people not unquestioningly worshipping her 24/7, which is what she weaponizes.

And fans will still claim that she's more oppressed than a black disabled homeless man, because they don't understand oppression OR intersectionality - all the know is worship Taylor and harass.

[theconcealedweapon]

Sometimes, what looks like defending freedom is actually defending oppression.

For example:

18-year-olds who want to have sex with people much older should be allowed to

LGBT people who want conversion therapy should be allowed to

workers who want to work for a low wage, or overtime without additional pay, or without breaks, or without following safety regulations should be allowed to

disabled people who want to die should be allowed to

Those statements, when taken at face value, could appear to be defending their freedom.

But all you're really doing is defending someone's "right" to do exactly what their oppressors want of them. Sure, you could argue that they have the right to do that if they really want to, but if you're actually concerned about their rights, it makes no sense to start there.

There are many examples of 18-year-olds being treated like children. For example, there are 21+ age restrictions, and older adults frequently assume that their opinions are superior to those of 18-year-olds just because they're older. If you're really concerned about making sure 18-year-olds have the same rights as adults, sexual purposes would be at the bottom of the list.

LGBT people's rights are trampled on a regular basis. They're only recently allowed to get married, which could easily change if bigots got their way. They're frequently abused by their parents and bullied at school. They're labeled as pedophiles and threatened with death while actual pedophiles get away with it. If you're really concerned about LGBT people's rights, the "right" to get conversion therapy in the off chance that they'd actually want it would be at the bottom of the list.

Workers are regularly treated as if they're subhuman. They're expected to tolerate abuse from bosses and customers. They're expected to prioritize work over their personal lives. They could drop dead and their boss would only care about replacing them. If you're really concerned about workers' rights, "what if they actually like being a slave to their boss" would be at the bottom of the list.

Disabled people are treated like garbage. They're divided into "burden on society" and "faking". Their lives are seen as expendable, as shown by how many people refuse to take COVID seriously because most people who die are disabled. They have to figure everything out themselves because no one understands them enough to give useful advice, then they're still labeled as "lazy" when they struggle. If you're really concerned about disabled people's rights, the right to die would be at the bottom of the list.

[rebelwheelsnycpoetry]

The Red Flags & The Healing

by Michele Sommerstein

“Ohhh, I don't think I could get a date with a woman…” he said, dripping with insecurity, “but I could get one with a disabled girl…” he said, smiling at me and I, isolated from my community, inundated with oppression (internalized) did not see the neon red flag, waving, rapidly. (now obvious)

So often, we are told to be grateful for crumbs we are the disabled, the poor, the wretched, the burden, the undeserving, we should be happy, we get crumbs in the first place. Right? (No!) This, that society drills into you (from the politicians, to the movies, to society's reactions) This, that I internalized and accepted as my truth

So often I'd be out in the city, strangers gawking with pity, and confusion, with disdain, and disgust and able bodied acquaintances, would spew such false wisdoms “Oh they're just staring at you, 'cus they think you're cute” As if I was just being negative (as if my sense of perception was just off) As if the hostility and weirdness, the discrimination did not exist

These able bodied people, who meant no harm, but paved that path to hell. The mindfuck, so massive, all consuming Causing me to relentlessly doubt myself, doubt what I experienced, doubt what I felt.

So when he spoke those words “with a disabled girl” it did not register as red or warning or wrong

It wasn't until I told the same story years later, online and to Disability Twitter (intersectional) to which they replied with “what the living fuck?!” did the pieces start to come together

did I start to heal, did I start to feel empowered did I start to find my voice as a disabled human and activist did I learn that un-internalizing the oppression often takes daily maintenance & practice did I learn the word for what happened on a daily basis (ableism) did I start to include disability rights in my quest for social justice, And while I had much to learn, and unlearn, still learning in time, I never settled for people like that, again.

[delusion-of-negation]

1 Not sure if I can give that anon my experience as a fellow ND disabled, since they didn't add their Acc. So I hope this is ok. Intersectionality acknowledges that (in the West) a disabled indigenous gay person is in a spot where they'll be attacked from 3 different points, and have to deal with oppression from these traits. But that doesn't mean that a disabled white cishet person suddenly doesn't experience any oppression based on their disability, just because they're also white and cishet.

re

still somewhat of an oversimplification - as a white person, you actually will be affected by racist systems in a negative way, the building blocks of abusive legislation that negatively impacts an area of life seemingly unrelated often have connections to some racist policy of the past, you can be mistaken for non-white, or simply have your "whiteness" revoked (see: polish people in the united kingdom) and be victimised by racism, and so forth. but genuinely, that's just an aside I wanted to add, I don't expect the character limit and casual nature of this convo to result in total perfection explaining intersectionality. but to illustrate why this distinction matters "mentally disabled" and "physically disabled" lines randomly get drawn in the sand, and yet allegedly physical disabilities make my thinking foggy and distracted, make it hard consuming food or sleeping, and make my head worse, while an allegedly mental one damaged my organs, accelerated my now irreparable muscle atrophy, and is helping slowly kill me. there's actually no line between these two things. and yet, there are the ways being more "physically disabled" affects your experience, discrimination, etc, generally speaking - a depressed person will ultimately be able to leave the shopping center via the stairs in a dangerous fire, somebody who can't walk won't and will need to actually be carried, because nobody thinks to design lifts safe in disaster situations, if that's even possible. having a neuro issue causing physical symptoms, like epilepsy, gets sidelined in nd conversations because people think of it as just autism or adhd. similarly, racism and disability issues aren't these unique arrows that'll hit you if you meet a certain criteria - like I said, it's not all actually one, it's all an interconnected web of systems, not only rooted in white supremacy, but not disconnected from it either. personally, I take issue with the need to say "as someone who is unaffected by x" because I'm called racial slurs semi-regularly, because people mistake my race irl, and idek for sure my race, majority of my family doesn't talk to me, those that do aren't bio relatives, and my mom did cheat on my abusive father at least a couple times. what I do know is I'm half welsh, and the kinds of oppression the english did to the welsh (took our land, tried to destroy our language, etc) are literally their go-to racist policies, which isn't to say "welsh and black is the same", it's to say that oppressive institutions have patterns that manifest similarly to various groups they attack - welsh, black, gay, trans, disabled, I would submit that all this "the welsh shag sheep", "witches fuck satan", "arabs fuck goats", "gay people fuck kids", "trans people... actually also fuck kids we're out of ideas", they're all the pattern repeating itself, attacking people on the grounds of an alleged dangerous/harmful deviant sex to degrade and dehumanise the people. this stuff isn't "x is hurt on the basis of y and z, but I am only affected by z", it's complicated, but having your bugbear be simply z, and then saying all y is actually z, would also be wrong. overall otherwise 100% agree though, invalidating the pain that white disabled people experience doesn't help anti-racist stuff. which is why I said we need to work on our own issues together apart, apart together, side by side, with intersectional and kind awareness of how this isn't a movie with just one big bad villain.

[transmascrage]

We're oppressed by transfemmes (not on the basis of them being transfemmes obviously, but on the basis of them being part of the male sex), and it's not confirming to "TERFs" idea of us being "poor little girls" to admit that, when a transfemme really, really want to, they could easily use our reproductive system against us, or erase us from trans spaces and not stand up for the lack of our representation, or claim that we don't go through oppression on the basis of being transmascs/female born because we identfy as transmascs. Just like it's ok and even good to admit that white trans people or able bodied trans people can and do oppress trans people of colour or disabled trans people, we can admit this as well. It's not going to break any trans solidarity to face reality, and it could actually strengthen it + make sexist transfemmes realise they're not welcome in spaces created for anti-sexist trans people. Also this is a new blog so I hope I don't look like I created an alt just to #debunk your "TERFs saying transfemmes oppress us is false" post lmao, so I'm just saying that I'm writing with good intentions to start a respectful discussion.

I'm really perplexed in how to answer this.

Trans women and transfems aren't part of the male sex, I am though. I'm a man.

Sure, I was assigned female at birth, but that was 20 years ago and I haven't identified as a woman in 5 or 6 years.

As for trans women and transfems raping us or silencing us...suuuure? I mean, it could happen, on an individual level, not a systematic one.

It's just weird to bring it up like every trans woman and transfem "has it in them" to do so. I don't understand the radfem logic of all "males" having the potential to be rapists.

Rape is an action, which means anyone could do it. Naturally, rape culture and privilege make it significantly easier for cishet white men to put their minds at ease after doing what, in their minds, is a display of power.

Still. Every single human being has the potential to rape, because it's an action. Just like every human being could kill, torture or attack. Just like every human being could be caring, loving and respectful.

What determines someone's choices is the environment they grow up in, the society they live in, their social group, and much more.

So it doesn't make sense to accuse "males" of having the potential to be rapists.

The reason why I could never be a radical feminist, is because I've always believed no one is inherently evil. Even the most evil person you can think of right now, they have the potential to be good.

Radical feminism is a pessimistic, doomscrolling, bittering and jading ideology that's doomed to fail, because even though it claims to find the root of sexism, it's so surface level it fails to even understand other human beings.

Human beings are neutral. They can do good or bad actions. But I digress.

Like I said, rape culture and privilege make it easier for groups of privileged people to "display their power" over someone they see as below them.

But trans women and transfems don't really have that systemic power? The way privilege helps a rapist is by protecting him from facing the consequences of their actions.

But I hope you know that if news came out of a trans woman raping someone, she would be ripped to shreds. No one would be out there saying "Ah, maybe the victim asked for it..." or "Oh, come on, just let her hit it, she has blue balls!"

All of this to say, trans women and transfems could silence the trans men and transmascs around them, but not on a systemic level. And I refuse to treat people like ticking time bombs for rape and murder.

Besides, trans women and transfems aren't monoliths. Some of them may silence us, some will uplifts us. And, since they face transmisogyny, it makes them more compassionate towards other marginalised communities.

Which obviously doesn't mean white privilege and abled privilege don't apply to to trans community.

But comparing those two axis of oppression, where the privileged group faces advantages on a personal AND systemic level, to what advantage a trans woman might have against a trans man on an individual level, you're comparing apples to oranges.

[antiterf]

I started thinking about how I'm more and more okay with talking about things like menstruation, abortion, and things specific to my reproductive system as an inherent part of my trans manhood. (Yes, that it what I'm going to call it).

And I thought to myself how I didn't see myself or any other trans men as inherently less as men for it. Even though it's something we definitely do not have in common with cis men, and whenever the topics are talked about it's hugely if not entirely focused around (cis) womanhood. Cis in parathenses because people like to act like cis womanhood is universal womanhood and default womanhood.

Part of me thinking about it was related back to the whole transandrophobia debate (seeing someone comparing it to white womanhood along with being compared to terfs, I'll get to the terf one later). It also relates back to how difficult it is to talk about how society will inherently treat trans men as a group like how they treat women, seen as harmless, confused, tricked, pitiful, or not seen at all. That obviously doesn't mean that trans men are women, it means that larger society still basis stereotypes on us related to our birth sex. How we are treated does not define who we are, even if we take those experiences and incorporate them into our identity and being.

With being compared to terfs, I could see where the person was coming from- hold on and hear me out. Ever since the transandrophobia thing started gaining, I immediately thought of terfs saying "oh? So you realize that you are A Woman? That the trans community doesn't actually care about you?" And general talking points that are ultimately there to make you feel like trans people don't care about you. People talking about transandrophobia typically bring up how trans men and trans mascs bringing up their experiences of oppression and trying to describe them is what makes people pissed off.

Basically, terfs will take transandrophobia being talked about as "proof" that the "tifs" are "peaking" and shit. We have a thing where "if the terf agrees with you, you're wrong" but can still agree that we delete terf posts after finding out they're a terf because that means the post now has a different meaning. It should be understood that just because a terf agrees with something, it doesn't mean they're perceiving it the same way the op is. So I understand, I fucking saw it coming for crying out loud, but I still don't think they're comparable. The ones speaking about these issues are trans men who see the issues as an inherent part of being a trans man, not as part of being a woman.

I thought how trans men are trans men, before I remembered one feminist saying "trans women are trans women" when asked if they were women and felt the immediate need to clarify with myself. Trans men are still men, but we have our own experiences to manhood that are explicitly different from cis men. The same way being a disabled man makes me experience manhood pretty differently than abled men. My lack of enjoying sports and being unable to do more physical chores relates to how disability impacts how my manhood is seen for instance. The lack of power, trouble with money and jobs, the inherent fact that I will need help all interferes with what my manhood "should" be.

That doesn't make me less of a man though. Just because I do not fit into the majority does not mean I don't fit into the general term "man" or "men." Feeling shame for not being able to shovel the driveway as the only man in my house isn't expected in the majority of men. Neither is feeling incredibly nervous about going to a gynecologist because of how I'll possibly be treated. My experience of my gender being different doesn't take away from it. Being a trans man matters in that way, not in a way where I'm "not really a man."

[rjalker]

In the replies, but so everyone can see:

(this will just keep being edited for updats)

Goldmoose

Hi. We're saying that structures of misogyny and trans misogyny give trans men privilege over trans women. Androphobia implies the existence of misandry. Also the creation of the term was a reaction against the use of transmisogny. Other words like anti-transmasculinity show the oppression those who are trans and masc (this included tfem and tmasc butches) without implying the existence of a system wherein men are punished for having more power

rjalker

trans men do not experiences any systemic privileges over trans women because trans men are not cis men.

goldmoose

Where's your basis of intersectionality? Do you believe a disabled man does not have privilege 9f a disabled woman? Why is transness the only subject you do not wish to believe in heirchical social groups for? You're literally sating a man. Someone who has lived as a man in male spaces with access to patriarchal privilege due to how he is perceived does not receive this patriarchal power. explain to me how this statement in incorrect under an intersectional lens

rjalker

do you understand that trans men are subject to the same level of systemic medical misogyny as women? Do you think a trans man can walk up to an abortion clinic that's underthreat of firebomb and walk right in because he's a man?

if you literally cannot even remember the basic fact that misogyny is a system of oppression and not just interpersonal interactions then maybe you should try to remember that before arguing that trans men have systemic privilege over women. That's not how this works.

goldmoose

the fact is he has the ability to go to an abortion clinic. The fact is if he chooses to claim woman hood society will still accept him as one. A trans woman gets no access to either space.

further more you have just described misogyny. A firebox threat to a clinic is misogyny. Because that's what they're against. The perceived birth sex. Because its a patriarchal society

rjalker

so you believe that misogyny exists but you believe that being seen as a woman in a misogynistic society is a privilage.

and the fact that you think trans men can just walk up to an abortion clinic and be accepted as women and get an abortion with no problem just proves you've never fucking thought about reality at all. Trans men are regularly denied necessary medical care because they don't look like women or have had their ID marked with M instead of F.

transandromisia describes the intersection of transmisia and misogyny when targeted at trans men and transmasculine people. Which you would know if you would actually listen to anyone who talks about this instead of immediately hating them.

Goldmoose

all men have privilege over women! And all people have privilege over trans women! Even cis women! Cus they're trans! And even trans men cus they're men! Crazy stuff

rjalker

you just keep repeating that but it doesn't make it true. You've just been given real facts about reality and since you can't actually counter them you have nothing to do but repeat lies.

goldmoose

then show me the truth. Show me where that trans men don't you have provided no evidence.

rjalker

"Show me where that trans men don't you have provided no evidence." is not a rational sentence can you try again.

goldmoose

ok lemme be clear then. Transmisogyny is a specific oppression. Because of misogyny (an oppression) and transphobia intersecting. Where is the intersection between oppression that trans men face that is exclusive to them

rjalker

you keep focusing on the word "exclusive" because you don't actually want to understand intersectionality. Transandromisia is the intersection of transmisia and misogyny when targeting trans men and transmasculine people. Just because you want to pretend that being trans is magically a privilege when it comes to trans men and transmasculine people doesn't make it true.

goldmoose

define transmisia

rjalker

@goldmoose nope. you are the one claiming that transandromisia doesn't exist. Or are you now going to argue that trans men and transmasculine people don't suffer from transmisia at all? Is that what you're going with now?

goldmoose

it's not that transness is a privilege. Its not transness that's the privilege. Its being able to associate with either cis female spaces or male spaces

rjalker

yeah you've got literally no clue what you're talking about if you think trans men are systemically welcomed into both male and female spaces. Can you try actually providing any actual facts or are you just going to keep making things up that are contrary to reality?

goldmoose

I dont even know what that term is its never used in any of the works of gender studies and the definition has changed often in online spaces. I'm asking you politely to tell.me

rjalker

transmisia = transphobia but without the -phobia suffix because actual people with anxiety disorders don't like being demonized.

goldmoose

lol no one said all trans men are accepted. Stop strawmnaning my shit answer my questions or just stop replying what are you 16?

rjalker

so you're gonna pretend you didn't just say this less than two minutes ago? "Its being able to associate with either cis female spaces or male spaces"

So let's see. This person has given absolutely no evidence, just keeps repeating completely contradictory statements, doesn't actually want to admit trans men and transmasculine people experience transmisia at all, and is trying to insult me with my age instead of actually providing any evidence for her claims.

It's almost like this person is just repeating basic lies and has never listened to a single person talking about transandromisia at all. Trans people who look like men have been getting denied necessary health care for decades. We have records of this.

goldmoose

so they can associate with cis male spaces. Huh. Sounds like a privilege to me.

rjalker

you want to explain how that's a privilege and how it applies to all trans men? Because that's what the word "systemic" mean.

goldmoose

sure! Because trans women don't get access to either male or female spaces!

rjalker

where is your proof that all trans men get always access to both male and female spaces and that all trans women are always denied all female and male spaces? Because both of those statements are simply untrue.

so are you going to aknowledge the fact that trans men and transmasculine people are regularly denied necessary healthcare including abortions because they look too much like men or are you just gonna keep ignoring that because it doesn't fit your narrative that trans men are systemically privileged over women.

trans men have literally died from ovarian cancer because gynecologists refused to even see them because they were trans men. Are you going to ignore this because it doesn't fit into your narrative or are you going to update your worldview to accept the fact that being trans subjects you to oppression that even cis women don't face?

And what about trans men and transmasculine people who don't pass? Who are in the closet? Who are seen by everyone around them as women? Are you going to pretend they've got this magical male privilege too, or are you gonna pretend them being seen as women in a misogynistic society is a privilege? What about trans men who are out, but are surrounded by transmisics who still see and treat them as women? You gonna pretend they're somehow privileged?

goldmoose

being seen as a woman in a misogynistic society is better than being seen as a trans woman yes.

again. Trans women have also died from medical transphobia

rjalker

why do you keep pretending that trans men and transmasculine people can only aknowledge their oppression when it's oppression that is magically impossibly exlusive to them alone. That's not how this works and you know it. You're just nitpicking because you don't have any actual counterarguments.

goldmoose

once again transphobia is bad. But that's not the conversation. You can be oppressed by patriarchal society and still oppression others. What do you think pro birth cis women are doing?

rjalker

are you going to answer the question of how exactly you think nonpassing trans men have systemic male privilege over all women?

are you going to aknowledge the fact that cis women are privileged over trans men?

it's been 11 mins and no response to the last section yet.

goldmoose

not over all women! Just trans women!

rjalker

"all men have privilege over women! And all people have privilege over trans women! Even cis women! Cus they're trans! And even trans men cus they're men! Crazy stuff" are you aware we can all see the comments you've already left?

goldmoose

in spaces where transphobia is weaponised yes cis women do have privilege. Over trans men and women. And trans men have privilege over trans women in trans spaces hope this helps xx💕💖

rjalker

are you going to explain how it's a privilege to be constantly told that you're not oppressed and don't need a term to name your oppression?

goldmoose

yup all men do have privilege over women! That's patriarchy baby. Anyone can weaponise it!

rjalker

"not over all women! Just trans women!" are you even trying to be consistant

goldmoose

oh OK sure. That's a non answer as that isn't an oppression being put against you by transfems. Cus that's not systemic. Hope this helps! If we're gunna start slinging ahit I could start talking about the misogyny you're perpetuating rn but idk bb you don't seem ready 💅💅💅 yeah! In some spaces where a trans man passes. They're gunna have male privilege over all women. If that trans man doesn't than he still has privilege over trans women. Hope this helps.

rjalker

explain how it's a privilege for trans men and transmasculine people to constantly be told they aren't oppressed and are not allowed to have a word to describe their oppression.

goldmoose

you are oppressed! Just not by trans women. Hope this helps! But you can oppress trans women. Cus of transmisogyny. Also antitransmasculinity is a observed term that has been used decades. Hope this helps

rjalker

very funny that you assume I'm a trans man or transmasculine because I care about other people. No one said that trans women systemically oppress trans men on this post lol. Do you think the word "transandromisia" is code for "trans women are evil opressors"?

thenixkat

Wild that goldmoose was marked green when she's just openly transphobic towards transmen.

goldmoose

bestie. The you was not directed anywhere! Hope this helps

@rjalker i think as a word it doesn't make sense because it's not an oppression based on masculinity or maleness because that doesn't exist outside of misogyny thansk

rjalker

@/ goldmoose okay well we've got a severe storm warning so I have to shut my computer down now, but you just go right ahead and keep being transmisic for everyone to see and contradicting yourself every 5 seconds because you know reality doesn't fit your narrative.

goldmoose

thats okay! I'm happy to be! Cus it doesn't exist! Thanks! but firreal keep safe x

rjalker

What a fantastic demonstration of the exact transandromisia this post is talking about, and all for free. Goldmoose couldn't even pretend to have any actual arguments based in fact, and contradicted herself every 5 posts before trying to insult my age because she didn't like the fact that she literally has no argument besides "men bad"

so yeah this bigot's not even pretending to have any actual arguments, and here at the end you can see she's just straight up saying she doesn't think transmisia exists lofl

orangefuckingjuice

goldmoose I don’t normally engage in discourse but respectfully I wanted to give my two cents to this and just say this isn’t fair or true. Trans men don’t get to just “claim womanhood” and I’m unsure how to even take that. If that means using women’s spaces, trans men are frequently excluded from such. Women’s shelters, doctors offices focused on reproductive care, support groups. Even queer spaces uncomfortable with the presence of men.

As for the women’s spaces that do, it’s so often with the price of stripping trans men of their manhood, humiliating and disrespecting them. Some can’t even get that. People can misgender a fairly androgynous trans man easily, but seeing a farther transitioned passing man is a fast pass to reject and being treated like a potential predator in the wait. A danger via your own existence as masculine, as male. One to be separated from cis women

And it’s a real problem trans men don’t have access to some “women’s support” because we still do suffer from the effects of misogyny. These are often the only places of support for that, and our exclusion leaves us isolated. And if any of that sounds familiar to experiences trans women and fems have just know it is. Our experiences are facets of the same structures of gendered oppression and patriarchy. There is very little exclusivity, just varying expressions and aspects.

goldmoose

yeah bb that's exactly what I'm saying tho. That if there is no exclusive intersectional oppression for trans men then the terms used are non-applicable

orangefuckingjuice

And if you mean trans men can just flip to being women when it’s convenient, that’s an unfair standard to have. It assumes a fairly medically transitioned trans man can just pass as female when he can’t. Also, this is like. Literally the same thing as boymoding. I don’t think it’s a privilege to misgender yourself and hide your trans status for your own safety. And it is definitely not something exclusively done by trans men or mascs.

goldmoose

again you may get stripped of your manhood to access women's spaces. You may have to go through the worst bioessentialism and transphobia there. But that is a space. Trans women as a function of transmisogyny have no access to any space.

orangefuckingjuice

Lastly, if this means that trans men could always just detransition and be cis women again, then that’s not even a conversation about trans men at all. That’s always holding us in a perception of “potential cis woman” which is demeaning and misgendering. A trans woman can detransition and be a man, but this should not factor into her status as a trans woman. Because she is not a man. She doesn’t have some inherent privilege that she could always stop being trans. Or else we all do

And even if a trans person does detransition for their own safety, you can’t be easily accepted back into it. Any sign of gender nonconformity is punished. You seem aware of butchphobia as a concept. I will say growing up masculine I was treated as inherently demeaning myself as ‘a girl/woman’ and treated like I was predatory. Bullies spread rumors I peeped at girls in locker rooms. There was so safe place to fall for me in the experience of womanhood. I was excluded then, and I am now.

Womanhood is only welcoming to trans men as so far as to be used as a bludgeon to strip them of their transness, deny them their autonomy, and impose control on their freedoms and bodies. There is an assumption of ownership over our bodies, that is not a kindness. And if we stray too far from ‘femaleness,’ beyond being easily detransitioned, we are treated as less than worthless. Mutilated. Ppl wanting to make us girls is not a privilege. It is violence.

Not saying that’s necessarily what you mean, but I want to clarify my own thoughts. And trans men don’t have easy access to male spaces. The same way the patriarchy treats feminine cis men, trans men’s existence as trans is inherently emasculating. Even passing trans men have to exist in a level of danger if their transness is discovered. Living as a passing trans man, which not all trans men can do, all male privilege, experienced from perception, is perilous. Because it can be revoked

There’s more I could say, but I think saying that trans men have access to both men’s and women’s spaces so easily is a fundamental misunderstanding of the experiences of trans men. Society does not view us as men, and female spaces only accept us on the condition of misgendering, and only if we appear feminine enough. Many of just can’t. I will never be enough of a woman, and I will never be enough of a man. Much of the world is very hostile to us, and even queer spaces can be exclusionary.

rjalker

Transmisogyny isn't even exclusive to trans women or transfeminine people so it's a very clear double standard that this person is demanding that trans men and trans masculine people can only talk about and name their experiences if it's 1000% exclusive to trans men and transmasculine people at all times. Which literally no one is even claiming. It just bad faith all the way down. Which you can see in the constant infantilizing insults.

"No one is saying trans men aren't oppressed" then what ARE you saying? Because every post of seen by someone who genuinely believes that "transandrophobia truthers" are transmisogynistic has been invalidating what trans men deal with, refusing to allow us the space to come up with terms for our experience, and vehemently opposing us using terms like transmisogyny. Every single person has been belittling, gaslighting, excluding, and/or dismissive of the discrimination trans men deal with.

If I'm wrong and transandrophobia ISN'T discrimination against trans men, if the term is actually transmisogynistic in origin, then tell me! Explain it to me! If I'm wrong, I want to learn more!

If I'm wrong, tell me why.

[prfssnlshipper]

Hi!! I have a question, sorry if it comes off as rude. But how can bi lesbian work? Isn't lesbian non-men attracted to non-men? Sorry if i sound rude i'd just really like to learn about it

No worries! Sorry for the late response, I wanted to think about how I'd explain this...

"Non-men attracted to non-men" is just one definition of lesbian. It doesn't work for everyone though, for multiple reasons:

- Dividing genders into "men" vs. "non-men" creates a new gender binary in which many nonbinary people can't fit in at all

- A lot of nonbinary people who don't identify as men are still uncomfortable with being called "non-men", either because it still feels like misgendering in a way, because of the binary issue, or any other reason

- There's no way to explain "non-man" in a way that is mindful of genderfluid, agender, bi/multigender, genderqueer, etc. individuals. Many people are men sometimes, or partially, etc., but also not all the time. But to ignore either part of their identity isn't okay. Some just are not on the binary spectrum between "men" and "women" at all.

To the last point, I hear exclus/lesbian separatists often say that it counts as being a man if "you are a man at all in any way and at any time".

Which is where we get into RadFem territory.

Why? So, quick overview...

For RadFems, men = bad, evil, corrupt. Because they oppress women. It's a concept that's very one-dimensional and pays no attention to things like race, class, disability, etc.

But it means that bi women, for example, are basically seen as "traitors" because "how dare you be attracted to men" (they probably don't use those exact words, but honestly, I'm not sure on that).

So lesbianism originally included bi women, but RadFems, who hated men, decided that was terrible and that bi women weren't "allowed" to be lesbians anymore.

And you probably know how TERFs think that trans men are also "traitors", if they don't just deny them being men at all. Because being a man is corrupt and bad (in their opinion).

This all is not being consciously used by most exclus, but it is the underlying basis for the arguments today.

(All of the following are not my opinions, just RadFem viewpoints.)

- "Bi lesbians" have to be bi people, they can't possibly be lesbians, because what's wrong with the word lesbian? Why would you be attracted to men? Just say "bi"!

- Lesbians can't be attracted to men because that's gross and if you're attracted to men at all, even a little bit, you can't be a lesbian.

- "Men can't be lesbians!" If you're a man half the time, you're still a man sometimes and that's corrupt and means you are basically just a man. And there's absolutely no way men could be closeted trans women or not know they are women yet at all because they're men!

The last one, by the way, is an extremely obvious TERF dogwhistle. When exclus say "men can't be lesbians", even if they know trans women are women, the TERFs love that shit. Seriously. And exclus unknowing reblog/retweet from TERFs saying that, as well.

So ultimately, the reason bi lesbianism works? Because the only counterarguments rely on RadFem/TERF BS that you could not pay me to ever believe in.

If lesbian has to be defined, something like "queer attraction to women" works in most cases, but there are some exceptions (I can't speak on it personally, I've just seen people who identify as lesbians that don't use that definition). However, every identity in the queer community really has a slightly different meaning to each person who uses it. So anyone who feels "lesbian" fits them can use it.

Also here's my other post that explains a little more about why people use it.

Sorry this is long, I just felt like I should explain exactly why the whole "non-men attracted to non-men" is based in rhetoric you probably don't want to use. But I hope you have a great day, and feel free to ask if you have more questions! :')

EDIT: @ anon... This post brought actual, full-on TERFs into my inbox, if that says anything about this whole thing lmao

[simonalkenmayeris-still-dead]

The ask Kristana won't publish:

It doesn't matter of the person who asked you for a TL/DR was disabled or not, your response was ableist. Telling someone that asks for a TL/DR because they, for whatever reason, struggle reading long texts that they're not willing to put in the effort to read is fucking ableist. Repeating that stance in a recent post shows that you're committed to being ableist and I really hope that changes. You need to grow up, admit that you were wrong and ableist and apologize, unless you just enjoy showing your followers that that's an okay way to treat people.

How would you like it if someone said you're not willing to put in the effort to type because you use siri? It's the same fucking thing.

You don't HAVE to do TL/DR and it's well within your right to refuse any accommodation, but there are ways to do that that still practice kindness. You could've simply said "no, I don't want to do that, I'm sorry" or given your reasoning for it WITHOUT insulting the person who asked.

It's not fucking okay to say that to people who ask for help, because even if the person who asked wasn't disabled, people who are disabled are also going to read that and be hurt by it.

Do you have any idea how often people with reading issues are told we're not willing to do the work or are lazy? Do you really want to contribute to that? Do you really want to be in that part of society instead of the part that aims to help people?

TL/DR: what you have said is ableist. Apologize. Learn better. Do better.

I think the problem here is that Kristina doesn’t actually want to do better.

I was chatting with a friend yesterday about how particularly white, middle class women are feminists not because they want equality, but because they want to buy into oppression (his words, not mine, I’m not that good at expressing myself).

But that can be extended to pretty much all advocacy.  If you look at the way Kristina acts on Simon’s account, then it makes a lot of sense that she wants disability advocacy for herself.  Hell, she even wants some kind of advocacy for her fictional persona on the basis of him being non-human.  But it doesn’t necessarily follow that she would want the same thing for others.

[pbscore]

Q because I've seen you posting about this

I agree that men aren't like inherently evil and intersectionality exists but I've also noticed that they're the only majority group that gets defended against statements like that? Like it's not controversial to say "the straights suck" or "white people are horrible" etc but implying that men are shitty is somehow like uniquely not ok and they deserve to be more untouchable? idk I'm just not sure how to reconcile that, curious about your thoughts

Hmm...this is tricky because while I don't want to bring any possible negativity my way, I also feel like there are a lot of unsaid feelings floating around this topic that a lot of people don't wanna touch right now...but I'm not a lot of people, so I'm gonna do what I think is right.

To be honest, I'm ambivalent about this situation because I can kinda guess where the root of this situation started germinating and where it started to flip back into women and non-men having to write entire disclaimers when talking about dealing with discrimination, specifically from men. I feel like when I was coming up on tumblr as a teen, in the late 2000s and into the 2010s, there was an explosion of this new feminist wave. It wasn't perfect, at first, but then there began to be more of a focus on inclusiveness and intersectionality, where trans women, women of color, disabled women, and other women from other types of marginalized groups would be able to talk about how misogyny uniquely effects them.

In my own experience, this made a lot of sense even when I was coming into my own identity as a transmasc person. For the most part, I have always seen myself as a guy but like...a little to the left. I know that most people see me as a 'man' and that I pass as one, so it never bothered me to take on some of that responsibility of being a man who can recognize and nip misogyny in the bud wherever I see it or hear it. And this means anywhere for me, even in spaces with other marginalized men because unfortunately, it is and was extremely common for misogyny to fester there.

That never meant that it was lost on me to remember that there were other systems of oppression and bigoted ideas that effected marginalized men, specifically. So, I came to develop a 'everything is relative and take things on a case-by-case basis' type of mentality when I'm in any social setting. In real life, I have often encountered more women who would apologize for even talking about things that bothered them, primarily when it came to men, than I have seen women who were outwardly vocal about their distaste for the way men treated them. Even when there were men who knew I was trans, I was still able to access a level of 'conditional acceptance' among them, as long as I could do a song and dance of, 'yeah, some women are totally crazy lol,' when it came to them needing to take some level of accountability.

When I first started noticing more women doing this online, it was on TikTok when that whole, 'Kill All Men,' joke (because it was definitely just a joke and it was never meant to be taken seriously or to be taken out of its original context) was spreading around and there was this immediate backlash of (mostly white) men who felt 'attacked' by it. Granted, the only part of that I agreed with was if white women were using it against men of color or disabled men or any other marginalized men in genuine malice. Most of the time, I never saw women doing this genuinely unless they were TERFs and in that case, that's when I would call it out or unfollow someone.

Now, some men might take that as me cherry picking or kissing women's asses but like...I'm just explaining my own experience from real life and online. I really never felt 'threatened' or genuinely hated by women or anyone who wasn't a man when they've expressed how much they hated the way they were being treated by men. There wasn't this ridiculously overwhelming pressure to 'denounce' masculinity unless it was 'too strong' in women. And I'm talking about both cis and trans women being held to this standard of not showing any sort of masculinity with anything they choose to do.

I saw them getting haggled for it more than I've seen any men, marginalized or not, getting haggled for it. The only times I've seen anyone be so genuinely insidious towards men and boys was when TERFs go on their little, 'this is clearly thinly veiled bioessentianism wrapped in pretty libfem verbiage,' campaigns where they purposely insinuate that ALL men are 'inherently' evil and could 'never' understand being marginalized. Nine times outta ten, you check their blog and they're clearly a blatant transphobe of some flavor: TERF, a transphobic gay or straight man, a racist, a tradwife/traditionalist, a truscum that pretends they're not agreeing with TERFs, and on the off chance, it's a trans woman who's being an ass towards trans men.

Now, there was a little minute when the whole 'soft boy' discourse happened and we had to remind folks that it's more than ok for men to dress how they want, even if it's 'feminine'. But since then, it seems like women's appeal towards men who they see as 'non-threatening' has spiraled into a bunch of unfair assumptions towards all men but also a staggering amount of defensiveness for men at the same time.

And my thing is like...I get why we are at this current conjunction of discourse but...I really don't get why people are at such extremes to the point of forgetting that there are some issues that only effect women (cis and trans) on the basis of them just existing as women and some issues that can effect men but they inherently share with women because there is no systemic oppression of men just for existing as men.

Make no mistake, this isn't me saying that men have never struggled or have never faced any issues in their personal lives. This is me explaining how every marginalized man is gonna share that kind of oppression with women and non-men in that same community.

The same antiblack racism that hurts black women hurts black men. The same ableism that hurts disabled women hurts disabled men. The same transphobic rhetoric that hurts trans women hurts trans men. Obviously, when it comes to gender there has to be a bit more nuance because we need to include the experiences of nonbinary folks and intersex folks. But you get what I mean.

I feel like this shared experience in a lot of these marginalized communities is what keeps most of us working together but the problem of discrimination based on gender has always been biased towards women and/or anyone who fell out of the stereotypical tenants of 'masculinity' defined by cishet white men. Because of this I've seen trans men, for example, claim the oppression of misogyny based on them having been perceived as a woman at some point in their lives or still being perceived as one due to some of them not being able to 'pass' as a cishet man.

This is where I have a wrinkle in my brain because if I follow that logic, then I wouldn't really be a trans man experiencing lateral aggression and transphobia, would I? That's certainly not what that line of thinking means to me. It sounds closer to someone insinuating that because someone else assumes I have a vagina and/or sees my breasts not in a binder, and thinks I'm a woman, then I've experienced misogyny (or as some folks want to call it 'transandrophobia/transmisandry', which I will never be using). The reality, though, is the person who is discriminating against me just has a shallow perception of gender in an age where it's constantly being questioned and if I was wearing the most 'masculine' clothing with some facial hair, I would easily get my 'womanhood' card revoked.

And plenty of women, cis and trans, have talked about this particular situation in that when they as women display any sort of characteristic indicative of 'masculinity', especially if they are women of color, their womanhood is questioned. You can literally see this in action just by looking at what's happening with Black women in the Olympics.

This is just one of many recent examples I've been seeing of this new trend to validate some men's own insecurities, while failing to do the necessary work that is required of anyone to actually connect with folks in other communities. I have not felt like the men in a lot of these marginalized communities are putting the same energy to reach out to their fellow men as the women of these communities have been doing for years, mostly out of necessity for their own survival and the survival of their children. Again, this isn't to say that all men are doing this but a staggering majority are and that needs to be acknowledged by these men, themselves, in order to move forward.

You could be the most 'progressive' thinking man on the planet but if you're not putting your money where your mouth is, we're just gonna continue to spin around in circles until be all get tired of each other.

So, in conclusion lol, I will always be wary of any rhetoric that claims a certain group of people (especially if they're already marginalized) are 'inherently evil' or 'aren't worthy of respect or love' and I will always fight against it because it's wrong. No human is just 'born evil' because evil is something that is taught or impressed upon. However, I will also acknowledge that there are some issues that will only effect certain groups and that group needs more attention paid to their needs. In this case, since this is the topic, it is women who are still largely marginalized by society on account of them just existing as women. There will always be nuance on these kinds of topics, so again, I will take every situation on a case by case basis and make my judgements based on the facts and physical realities of these issues.

[voraciouspangolin]

This alienation unironically can and does push disabled or disenfranchised people further towards spaces like 4chan. The whole Doomer narrative really appeals to normal ass cishet white men and boys a lot, because they find community in other men like themselves that feel a general angst in their lives that they can't exactly pinpoint. They genuinely *do* feel wronged or oppressed by society. By things like "SJWs", feminism, progressivism. They're lonely, insecure, desperate, they lack meaningful real life community to share their struggle with. Perhaps they genuinely Are opressed by society on a class basis. There genuinely *is* a crisis for men; a lack of role models, a lack of acceptance, a lack of love.

4chan fosters a space where the major purpose of posting becomes to further fuel the poster and the viewers' internal nihilism and cynicism about life. About how things will never get better because there is something inherently wrong with them, they pin their angst and loneliness on physical features and traits, they say "I will never get a girlfriend/a job/friends/success because of my physical features, because x and y and z."

They create these severely enabling spaces where they imbue themselves with these... horrifically desolate ideas.

These kinds of ideas can appeal to disabled folk. Because people who have disabilities can point to a part of themselves, and wield all the internal ableism they contain to then say "this. This is why I am alone. This is why people do not like me. This is why my life will never be good." And... unlike those aforementioned men and boys who tend to gravitate towards purely metaphysical and pseudoscientific things like bone structure indicating one's chances of "procuring a mate" or etc. because then they have a tangible thing they can attribute their misery to, disabled folks genuinely experience oppression and hate, our lives genuinely are bleak and... oftentimes feel hopeless. Because of a tangible part of ourselves that we cannot be seperated from. It is incredibly lonely to be disabled, it is isolating.

I am a weird, neckbearded, fat trans guy with chronic illnesses and fatigue. I do not spend a lot of time outside, I do not spend a lot of time interracting with real life people. My own perceived social ineptitude that I feel within myself is so... tangible. I can feel it in the air when I try to talk to normal people. In a different world, where I didn't intentionally choose to pursue politics and naturally built myself up to the recovery-focused leftism that I embody, where I didn't go to therapy and worked so hard to build up tolerance to my constant crippling social anxiety and feelings of rejection, I can 100% see myself getting sucked into nihilist, doomer spaces.

All of this to say... be kind. To yourself, to the people around you. I understand that being kind or neutral towards random 4chan weirdos is hard. I'm not saying you should be accepting of whatever horrific ideologies and rhetoric spawn from 4chan and its adjacent spaces. I'm saying that... its better to not immediately pin someone as a 4chan incel with the saddest life just because they look the part. And, even... allow yourself to feel empathy towards people like that, towards incels n shit. I will never converse with these people out of fear for my own mental health and wellbeing, but I still do think about it. I think about how fucking sad they all are, and I feel for them.

I feel guilty about it, sometimes. Bc the people I'm feeling for exist in The space where actual material harm is plotted against people in my own spaces. But... I think it's good to recognize their humanity beneath all the self hatred, insecurity ridden edginess and hatred. I believe everyone has the ability to change. But escaping addictions like 4chan is incredibly hard. So... it's best to try and prevent yourself and the people around you from falling and spiralling into blackpill doomer bullshit. Simply by being kind.

trust me when you imply that all people who have struggles with going outside and interacting with society are 4chan incels you’re swinging and not hitting a single one of them. you’re just kicking the shit out of your disabled friends and followers

[pegsephone]

"trans women don’t oppress cis women" All biological males oppress all biological females. Please explain to me how Caitlyn Jenner cannot oppress biological females on account of experiencing transmisogyny. White women can oppress men of color despite experiencing sexism. One axis of oppression does not negate privilege. You're like the white men who believe they aren't privileged bc they're poor or disabled. Grow up. Your class analysis is shallow.

this entire ask makes no sense and also once again would like to point out that I’ve repeatedly asked that terfs/radfems/febfems or whatever dumbass label you use stay off this blog and yet here you are: completely ignoring that every time. amazing.

also?? Caitlyn Jenner has privilege because she’s wealthy and white. She has oppressive power over people of color because of her whiteness, and she has systemic power over poor people because of her wealth. In no way does she oppress cis women on the basis of gender, or by being a trans women.

“all biological males oppress all biological females” like you guys are so fucking dense I can’t stand it lmao. Like even if you didn’t lump trans women in with men for this stupid ass statement , it would still be incorrect. The ‘privilege’ white women have over men of color is still an oppressive privilege. White women have historically oppressed men of color on the basis of race. The idea that “all biological males” have the same privilege is literally just bio essentialist fucking nonsense that completely ignores the very real oppression of people of color. and again, any argument that lumps trans women in with cis men is a bullshit transmisogynisitc garbage argument that isn’t worth listening to.

“Your class analysis is shallow” your whole ideology is based off this idea that sexism was first, is the worst, and will solve all of life’s problems and it’s literally like a theory pushed by a 7 year old with how little nuance you allow.

TLDR: you’re a fucking moron. Stay off this blog. Any asks going forward will be deleted.

[serenagaywaterford]

you are so right about the fandom being desperate for men to woobify i remember on reddit there was a thread where someone was like 'idc about the women i want to know more about the men. i wanna know why they're okay with gilead and what's going on in their heads' and it's like ????? have you??? met men??? and there's this sentiment that the show is too harsh on men and makes them too evil and that there should be at least one good unicorn man it's so infuriating

i’m crying cos this ask is so on point and sums up my own take so perfectly.

“it’s like ????? have you??? met men???”

this is like exactly everything. men aren’t some fucking mystery. we’ve got 700 million versions of their stories in media and HISTORY, and what’s in their heads and why they do what they do and boo hoo all their manpain sobstories.

i’ll say it again and i’ll say it forever:

I DON’T GIVE A FLYING FUCK ABOUT MEN.

I DON’T CARE ABOUT THEIR STORIES.

I DON’T CARE ABOUT THEIR PRECIOUS FWEEWINGS.

I DON’T CARE WHY THEY WENT ALONG WITH GILEAD OR HOW THEY FEEL OR WHAT THEY WANT OR HOW THEY’RE COPING OR LITERALLY ANYTHING ABOUT THEM EVER.

I DON’T CARE ABOUT FRED OR LAWRENCE OR NICK OR LUKE OR ISAAC OR WINSLOW OR TUELLO OR WHOMEVER ELSE THT WANTS TO SHOVE DOWN OUR THROATS.

THT SHOULD NOT BE ABOUT MEN EVER.

“there’s this sentiment that the show is too harsh on men and makes them too evil and that there should be at least one good unicorn man it’s so infuriating”

this just makes me want to vomit. sure, i’m sure there are some not so horrible men. OBVIOUSLY there are men who are victims of gilead. obviously there are some decent men in gilead who wish things were different. but ALL men, every last one of them in gilead, is in a position of privileged and power just one the sheer basis of their fundamental biology and being MEN. even gay men, even black men, even poor men, even disabled men, even men of different faiths. every last one of them is better off than ANY woman. better off than even the most privileged wife, better off than the aunts, and absolutely unarguably better off than any martha, handmaid, econowife, female child, etc. all of whom are actively, brutally, and violently oppressed every single second. and every single male character that has a large enough chunk of attention and screentime is DEFINITELY NOT that special unicorn man. they are ALL HORRIBLE. there is nothing interesting about fred, nick, or lawrence. cos we’ve heard their stories a million times before. (except tuello i suppose cos he’s not actually in gilead and is trying to get people out and bring it down. which is literally the bare minimum men should be doing considering.)

i’d argue the show isn’t HARSH ENOUGH on the men. they’re on some fucking infuriating crusade to humanize every single one of the main male characters. and i literally don’t care. they’re pondscum. i’m so bored of giving them wubbie little feeelings. blah. especially fred i hate him the most.

you know, i can see why people fall for it when it comes to nick. he’s just so pointless and boring taht he seems harmless and ~nice. but what is this fucking obsession with trying to make anybody feel ANYTHING for FRED or LAWRENCE? literal high ranking commanders who are directly and personally responsible for gilead and have shown little to no concern whatsoever before magic june swanned into everyone’s consciousness. (fred still doesn’t give a shit; he just wants his perverse rapeslave arrangement back. but somehow lawrence is on some guilt-bender and poor him he’s really such a good guy deep down cos he made mixtapes (WHO DIDN’T) and likes fancy art and locks his wife in a room “for her own protection”, ughhhhhh.)

i just can’t.

i can’t.

but god forbid you suggest serena maybe has something else going on beyond “she’s a crazy ass psycho bitch”. 

how you can literally turn on this show and say that you don’t care about the women and just wanna hear more about the men is fuckign bonkers to me. please let me ascend from this hell on earth, oh lord above.

[unsentimentaltranslator]

Radblr has disabled women, women of colour, plus size women, poor women, and refugees in it. If you believe otherwise, you're either lying or have been fed propaganda.

As for trans women, women have been oppressed on the basis of our sex for millennia, and in order to fix that, we have to talk about it and find solutions that pertain to our biological sex.

Like, you're REALLY going to sneer at us for invoking our reproductive organs when one of the largest and most powerful countries in the world recently stripped away women's abortion rights?! Or refer to our concerns about male violence as "acting like women are these poor princesses who are chased by the big bad men" when there's news item after news item and statistic after statistic showing a global epidemic of men killing women?! Do you not hear yourself?!

Like many radfems, I tried to be kind and understanding to trans women and I still don't want them to be beaten up (which is done pretty much exclusively by men btw) or turned down for jobs just because they're trans or kicked out of their homes by their parents. But your belief that in any conflict between feminists and trans activists, the feminist is always the villain and the trans activist is always the victim is an an anti-woman stance and it disqualifies you from being a radical feminist of any kind (this post is tagged as #tirf).

Sit the fuck down and stop with the strawman bullshit.

fighting with terfs on tiktok is my personal hell. Because what do you mean you’re a feminist but you reduce women to reproductive organs………..

what do you mean you’re a feminist but you refer to women as “females”

what do you mean you don’t add disabled women, women of color, plus size women, trans women, poor women, refugees to the equation. So their whole view of women’s liberation revolves around the lived experiences of white upper class cis women and bio-essentialism.

i swear tiktok is the styx of socio-political discourse, you genuinely have to explain the most basic empathy and sociological concepts to people and still receive immense backlash💀.

terfism is just rebranded white supremacy and conservatism. It does nothing for women besides reinforcing incredibly strict gender roles and acting like women are these poor princesses who are chased by the big bad men. They undermine socialization and performativity in their lecture of the world which makes their takes incredibly shallow and fallacious.

[areyouafraid]

not all poc / lgbt people / disabled people / etc are progressive or care about others or whatever other weird shit you believe for some reason like youre forgetting that these people are still just people and yeah experiencing oppression is generally going to inform how people see the world but it really doesn't work like... however you think it works. nobody has a magical Morally Good gene that prevents them from fucking up or being shitty people im just sick of seeing stupid (generally white cishet ablebodied) people endorse terrible fucking people on some mythical basis that they're x so they're probably Like Me and have an ethical stance on this issue like you have to actually pay attention to what people say and do come on we learn this in preschool

i wish people would understand that stereotyping is still harmful even when they think theyre saying something complimentary