#but i can imagine the events happening in a diff. order than it seems at first

[sidebloggingaway]

The "nazi" part seems to be debunked well enough in the notes. *And* they also changed the name of the game. [Who knows, really, they are doing the minimum what someone could expect after allegations like this... but they are actually doing sg. But you also have to wonder... would they still have cleaned up/started to moderate their discord server if they hadn't met this kind of public reaction in the first place? ].

But also: the "it uses AI voices"-concern seems to be a overshadowed by this other one.

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[kaypeace21]

do you think it’s possible sarah (hoppers daughter) was an early-formed alter that went dormant before the events of season one? it’d make a lot of sense with how much of hoppers arc in season one was him mourning her and channeling that grief into protecting will (which would make sense since he seems like a protecter to both will and el). love your posts!☺️

Yep . :D

I already discussed all of this in the original did post - how sarah was a “little” (kid ) alter. And how hopper was a protector /introject alter. I also discussed her going dormant as a major possibility in my did theory. My assumption is she either (a) “became dormant” like some alters do- aka they are “gone” sometimes for many years but can return . And this can happen in a myriad of ways - sometimes alters go dormant after they had a simulated death in the inner world . theoretically sarah had such a Death. And so did El. Death isn’t really a permanent thing for alters ...they usually will come back or stay dormant - unless the body of the host dies (or they integrate) . They can’t really die . I think it’s very possible she comes back and Hopper while exploring the various innerworlds of Will’s minds (like the Russian one, the memory scapes , etc ) reunites/ finds her . look at the st s4 movie inspirations. In ‘what dreams may come”  a guy with the guidance of his dead kid explore a heaven like world influenced by a painter’s emotions.We also have the movie ‘inside out’ -which involves “memory islands” (distinct worlds based on a child’s memories) which are influenced negatively by the kid being depressed she moved to California. The characters traveling to these memory islands are constructs of  kid’s mind -and 1 of them also has a guide helping them explore the ‘memory islands’. in  Inception a guy says he’s a construct of a guy’s mind and needs to help him escape the many different Ievels of the dream worlds.The in inception who made the worlds- had dad issues. 'the cell’also had alternate dimensions of a man's mind that a cop explored ( the dimensions were created by a man who was ab*sed by his dad). Movies like inception, matrix, Truman show, total recall, the cell, enter the void, wizard of oz, Peter Pan, hellraiser 2, dream warriors, bill & ted’s bogus journey, and welcome to marwen  also allude to this: because they involve entering simulated abstract worlds usually created/based on happy& traumatic memories/fears.Cough s4 using the movie wizard of oz quote “we’re not in Hawkins (kansas) anymore.While truman show/matrix are more about realizing your reality isn’t real.in bladerunner 2044/total recall it has the theme of false implanted memories… probably relating to hopper realizing he’s an alter and not in “actual Russia.” Before seeing the other segments of the innerworlds with sarah. Like in total recall- the bad ass spy is told all his memories: his wife/ years of marriage,  , his name, are just implanted memories. And she says “you’re life is a dream.” 

In s2 Nancy asks Steve how his “grandpa’s time in the war is a metaphor for your life?” And steve compares the mf to the germans in the war. Dr owens mentions Will has ptsd like “ (vietnam) soldiers’, Hopper saying he had buddies like Will . “In the 70s there was a study that compared the post-traumatic stress symptoms in Vietnam veterans and adult survivors of childhood s**ual ab*se. The study revealed that childhood s**ual ab*se is traumatizing and can result in symptoms comparable to symptoms from war-related trauma.” Hopper isn’t actually in Russia -but in one of the innerworlds (after he jumped through the rift of the machine- into Will’s mind). We’ll see flashbacks but also present circumstances of his imprisonment echo Will’s past with Lonnie (if the movies indicate anything)- being starved, guards getting payed in order to let other prisoners  r*pe a gay prisoner (than claim incorrectly because of his sexuality he wanted it) , as well as a gang of sadist men who r**e others and a warden using that as a threat to be compliant , being thrown in a dark room of solitary confinement and starved when they didn’t obey the warden, the warden being religious, etc. And the Anerican soldiers (in Vietnam) in the movies aren’t much better and do similarly horrific acts to civilians like r**e and bragging/ happily k*lling women, children, and the elderly. The drill sergant in vietnam calling them homophobic slurs & women, and chocking one of the soldiers with one hand, slapping one for not believing in christianity. Tying up a soldier in a bed , gagging him, beating him and saying “remember it’s just a dream.” Only praising them when good in fire arms.(movies : fullmetal jacket, papillon, shawshank redemption, platoon, welcome to marwen, etc ) . My assumption is  flashbacks of his life- will hint he’s an alter of Will’s-the boxes in the basement are “vietnam” ,“dad”, and “ny” (and these are the memories of his we’ll see). And some of the bad characters in said stories will also parallel Lonnie . For instance in s2, Jonathan mentions Indiana writer Vonnegut- In his book ‘slaughterhouse 5′- Vonnegut begins the story of Billy Pilgrim, a man who has “come unstuck in time”. It accounts of Billy Pilgrim's capture and incarceration by the Germans during the last years of World War II, and scattered throughout the narrative are episodes from Billy's life with his dad, and his own wife and kids.Billy is forced to be part of the war and similar things against his free will. The moments start from his childhood when his father throws him in the water to teach him how to swim. He was unwillingly drafted into the war. Later, he is kidnapped by Tralfamadorians  (aliens that are implied to be caused by his mental health issues/trauma) against his will. Therefore, he realizes that this concept is just an illusion.

  And some of the bad characters in said stories will also parallel Lonnie . Like how in ‘peterpan’- the young girl Wendy imagines netherland and the villain -captain hook- is based off her father ( in the movie they have the same voice actors/while in all stage productions the 2 characters are always played by the same actor). Similar to the other s4 film- ‘wizard of oz’ where the wicked witch of th west from the mythical land of Oz (is played by Dorothy’s real life mean neighbor in the real world/kansas). Or ‘in the cell’- every villain from the alternate-mind- dimensions is played by same actor in diff makeup. Not sure if they’d use Ross Patridge (actor of Lonnie) in this way . But it would be very interesting if (In makeup) Ross played many negative people in Hopper’s life/past -as a way to show Will’s past tr*uma.

Like also-look at Sarah’s tiger plushie! In chinese mythology/culture: “The tiger is personified by the constellation Orion (interesting given Sara’s interest in space/blackholes). The tiger represents protection over human life (hmm?). Tiger charms were used to keep away evil and disease (that’s awful ironic if she died in the manner she did). In Buddhism, wearing tiger skins during meditations was believed to bring protection from spiritual interference and potential harm while exploring astral dimensions.” HMMMMMMMMM  XD

Kali in the stranger things novel ‘Suspicious Minds’ says…

“I was named after a goddess. She wore a tiger skin and was fierce in battle.”

Then Kali says to Alice (a women who can see future visions): “I love you, Alice. We can be tigers together.”This parallel (in relation to Alice) is fascinating because Kali actually uses her powers to fake Alice’s death- and to trick Dr. Brenner, and allow Alice to escape. The allusion was so realistic, that Terry could even touch the ‘dead’ Alice.

So the tiger symbolism could be a HUGE hint- that Sarah’s death was simulated and she’ll come back and travel the innerworlds/alternate dimensions of Will’s mind (as Hopper’s guide). Hopper about sarah “galaxies the universe-she always understood that stuff.”

Another possibility (theory b) is she integrated with another alter or with Will (which means she can’t return) .Hopper saying about Sarah “the black hole it got her.” Could imply she integrated with the mf/shadow monster? And ,or maybe she will later ?

But... I lean heavily to theory (a) the most , though.

Obviously sarah has a lot of the connections to Will. will and Sarah both being into science, Sarah winning a spelling bee, Will winning the science fair, both being connected to tigers. Both hallucinating something no one else can see and people trying to snap the 2 out of what they’re viewing. Joyce saying as a witch she’ll eat Will. Parallels Hopper saying as an ogre he’ll eat sarah. Hopper, in s1, when seeing Will (with a vine in his mouth) has a flashback of Sarah on a mouth respirator. And he also has a flashback of Sarah when seeing Will’s lion plushie which resembled Sarah’s tiger plushie. And el also had a lion plushie-like Will’s in s1. Hopper monitored both Will and Sarah at the hospital when they were “dying”. Will has a fear of clowns- and Sarah’s hospital gown had clowns on them. All 3 kids draw.

Plus, we all know the parallels of Will to El (Hopper’s new daughter).

I discussed in my did theory that Hopper (as an adult alter) is a form of protector to all the kid alters - el, Sarah, and Will (host/core). And Hopper as an introject-alter (who are alters based on a person the child knows ) are usually put in the system cause the kid assumes that person could protect them . And since original-Hopper was a police man (a little kid could easily assume that). Although, because he’s a “father figure” for the system he has some of Lonnie’s traits- which are reflected in other perpetrator alters/ bad npcs in the system- Brenner, Neil, Billy, the evil’s Russians,etc . So sometimes he acts similar to a Perpetrator alter too . And I listed those examples/bad parallels extensively in the original did post (linked in the beginning).

And I used these quotes from psych papers in my original did post to pretty much sum up Hopper’s use in Will’s system .

“Introjects can also be based off of  figures that the dissociative child found strong, courageous, heroic, or otherwise worthy of being emulated and internalized and could theoretically protect them.”

“Older adult alters are created to serve a nurturing or parenting role, thus serving as a protector. (*protecting Will/el) . However, sometimes their older age is related to taking on the identification of the ab*ser and can therefore take on any of the other more hostile roles too ... Introjects which are mimicking ab*sers are trying to "keep you inline" in order to protect you from external ab*sers. They are copying behaviors shown to them by bad people, not harboring the intent, s*dism or imm*rality of the actual perpetrators.”

I think it pretty much sums up the nuances and motivations of Hopper’s character.

Thanks for the ask, anon :)

[ihearticie]

Wednesday May 17, 2017

Icie had her first pediatrician appointment the day before on Tuesday May 16, 2017. Nothing really happened at that appointment that is worth mentioning other than her weight being checked. I don't remember the exact weight at this appointment but I do know she was now a little over her birth weight which was great. I don't remember her birth weight either. Ik it's terrible but I had so many things going on at the time that her weight wasn't really important. Luckily my husband remembers that precious info.😊I think at birth she was either 6 lbs 4.3 oz or 6lbs 2.3 oz. I'll correct the info when I find out. May 17, 1 pm was Icie's first echo since being free of the nicu. I was not looking forward to this. I imagined her screaming and having to be held down in order to have the echo done and my anxiety was shooting through the roof. Carl was with me which was the best thing about having to go to Children's hospital. I feel like I lean hard on him during stressful times surrounding Icie. I'll tell him about my nerves and search his eyes for strength while he tells me he is anxious to. I would not be able to do this with out him. Having him with me, going through all of this horrible stuff together, he really is the reason i can carry on the way that I do. Icie is my motivation carl is my strength. Once seen Icie's vitals were taken. Everything looked good and her O2 level was 94. We were taken into the room where the echo would be done. It looked like we stepped into a tree house. The walls were painted buy someone with serious skill. It literally looked like we were in a treehouse and we were looking out over rolling tree covered hills. There was some fun light display going on the ceiling also. It was def set up with children in mind. The girl doing the echo was very nice. She asked if Icie liked to be swaddled. We said yes so the girl rolled the blanket up in a way that kept Icie's hands down but her chest exposed. The girl had a pacifier and some type of sugar free sugar water to dip the pacifier in if Icie got fussy. Icie never needed the sugar water during the echo. She slept the entire time. I did feed her in the waiting room since she was flipping out demanding boob which ended up being a really good thing. So we have to remember to stuff her full before any echo or sonogram.👍🏻 after the echo we met with Dr. Johnson. She was really impressed with how well Icie was doing and how well she was doing with gaining weight. I was told to keep up the good work and plump Icie up to 8 lbs by the time she is 3-4 mths old. We were told that around Age 2 Weeks-8 Weeks is the time that Icie could start having issues with tet spells. Since it takes a few weeks for newborns lung pressure to stabilize that is why it can become an issue. The medications Icie is already on, Lasix to help stop fluid buildup in the lungs and sodium chloride, to help rebalance electrolytes and sodium, should help combat that possibility. Next was labs! Fun!!😒 In the nicu at Magee How Icie's sodium levels were checked were but a foot poke and blood being collected so imagine my surprise when I saw a legit" we are drawling blood from your arm "needle situation. I looked at the nurse and was like omg are you taking it from her arm we are use to this being done with a poke to the foot!? Her response was "ya this is for a diff kind of test." ....lovely. I started to panic. Carl went to the restroom while we were waiting to be called into a room and of course we were called while he was gone so I was all alone in there w Icie and this needle yielding nurse. She said "I'm gonna need a smaller needle! " all fun like. Then said " im gonna also get some one to hold Icie's arm down for me. I started looking around the room at where I could sit down bc I was really feeling warm at that point. I was thinking about running back out to the hallway to grab Carl. I was like in full panic mode. I grabbed the door handle to start to leave but decided not to. It will just prolong things which may actually give me time to pass out. Once the nurses were all ready I opened the sweet dip shit for her pacifier and dunked it right on in and into Icie's mouth. I was hoping that would help her to not freak out. They started to put the needle in and Icie made a high pitched noise. Then they had to reposition the needle which included the chick moving her chair.. ya. And I am pretty sure I said " oh Jesus you don't just go right in you have to reposition??" I was bent over Icie kissing her forehead and re dunking her pacifier in the sweet whatever stuff I had and just wanting it to be over already. Icie let out 2 more quick high pitches noises before the nurse holding Icie's arm said "there we go" and the blood was finally flowing. After that Icie made no noises. She was totally fine. I was like holy shit that was awful for me and Icie seemed more or less ok. We left that room and I shared the latest events with Carl. I told Him they took it from her arm like giving blood and his face looked probably a lot like how mine did when I saw the needle. But once I told him she did really great he said "that's daddy's big girl." ❤️ After that it was just navigate the hospital to get back to the truck and head home. It was stressful. I talk about wanting to be strong for Icie but in the moment it surely isn't strength that floods my body. It's like a sense of helplessness and just having to move forward regardless kind of feeling at the time. I just want to cry every time we get in the truck to head home. "Being strong" and "fighting " is in bursts. It's not a full out 100% fuck ya we got this "RAWRRR!!!" Thing. It's a burst of "let's do this" followed but a fast come down that leave me feeling drained and emotional. It's reflecting on why this is happening to my little girl. It's knowing this isn't over. It's being quiet and trying to glue the pieces back together that have been shaken apart by stressful hospital visits. If I could trade Icie for all she will endure,I would,faster than a heartbeat. Icie's next appointment was May 24 at 1:40 pm for a checkup sonogram of her kidneys.