#but anyway the family progenitor actually being human. could perhaps make sense

[dorksndisasters]

Oh hilarious I have misinterpreted/misremembered tiefling lore in the pursuit of Chant's backstory

This is... hm this is fine I can swing with it. Or ignore it! This is my sandbox and I do what I want!

[asurayuuhaven]

How do you describe Krul's personality?

Ohhh it’s time for Krul now is it?

She’s much simpler than her brother, as she remain being a vampire and never was a demon, so her original personality still retained, her memory stay the same and even after becoming a vampire, she didn’t completely lose her humane emotions. This means, her current personality match her personality when she was human, and thus, easy to analyze.

Krul is the epitome of having a really big brother complex. The biggest on the series as far as I ever see. I think she really looking up to his brother, and based on what we seen on Ashera’s backstory so far, she probably sees her brother as a savior, assuming he’s the one who freed her.

Either way, Krul definitely enjoy his time with Asuramaru, and she really likes him, as she show such happiness with him as seen on the first time she pops up on the backstory. It sound like Ashera kinda spoils her, or Krul were just always been very attached to him for a good reason.

Like… she was so happy at that time.

The two probably spend a lot of time together, which makes her more than feeling attached on him, but also dependable. If she sees him as a savior, or guardian, or something like that, then it means, she’s only feeling safe with him around, which makes sense since he’s her only family that’s still alive.

On the other side, Ashera is more mature, as seen on how he interact with Yuu and Sika, by how he prioritize his goal ahead of his personal preference. This means, even if he want to be with Krul, he got things to do, and place to go.

Krul meanwhile, is different….

She seems to consider her brother as her… everything. If she lose her, then she lose everything in the world. This almost sound like an ABSOLUTELY perfect way to symbolize Ashera as the sun that he always looks up. Ashera is like the world for Krul, the sunshine that illuminate her entire life. Without him, she crumble down in tears. She just doesn’t want a world without him. She don’t want to live in the world where he’s not there by her side.

She show such HUGE attachment to Ashera, the reason why I claim that she got the biggest brother complex on the entire series.

Why? Because why everyone on the series love their family to a degree, only Krul would ever start a risky plot with the council of vampire progenitors and with humans doing demonic experiments, plus the seraph. All of this for sake of seeing her brother again. If that’s not dedication, I don’t know what it is.

This is all makes sense when we look back again, that for her, Ashera is her entire world, as if the world is dark now, and she’s running to the one and only light that she could see at the deepest night….

Though… she do develop some other personality traits….

Without Ashera, she were lonely. It doesn’t seems that she really care or trust her fellow vampire (and definitely NOT the annoying Ferid Bathory) so she share no attachment nor sentiment to her own kind.

That is until Mika happens. At first it sound like that she’s just taking him as a pet for fun, but truthfully it’s because he’s a valuable resource, a key on saving Ashera, since Ashera is with Yuu, and Mika is connected to Yuu.

Unintentionally, she seems to develop compassion for Mika. It is not pity, and not out of mercy. She legit shows that she liked him, almost like a brother….

You got what I’m talking about? He missed a brother, and she’s lonely. However, since Mika is (or was) a human that’s much younger than her, he’s like a tiny little weakling in compared to her. Now you can see why he’s like her pet, because he’s still growing up, and is under her nurture. Since vampire consider humans as inferior species, referring them as animals is common. The difference is that other vampires are rude and disrespecting on using humans as livestock, while Krul treated Mika with love, thus, her pet.

Of course Mika isn’t substitute for Ashera. She treated him differently, and definitely not in way of looking up to an older brother. Perhaps… this is a motherly side that began to develop as she grew older? 

So yeah…. she’s definitely were like “mama Krul” to Mika…. XD

Anyway, that should wrap up the personality known from Krul so far. Despite being the queen of vampire, one of the most popular female character on the series, she actually only have real interaction with Mika on the entire anime (again we’re discounting Bathory since he’s just being an ass) and we only ever see her with Ashera from the manga backstory. 

This means, we didn’t know yet how she’ll treat the rest of the cast, and thus a big part of her personality is still a mystery, much like the personality of Asuramaru that’s yet to be fully revealed.

[getoffthesoapbox]

VK Science I - Vmpr & Prbd Gene

Soo… I don’t feel like creating a temporary email just for this discussion, so yeah… This is already a “fake email” that I use for my beyond dead account and my currently abandoned fanfic. Not sure if my email is noticeable to everyone, but if it is, I don’t really care which name you decide to call me by lol. And if you’re wondering, I’m trying to quickly reply because there were a lot of concepts that were misunderstood and I don’t want to give misinformation or a theory that makes no sense (Plus, I have the longest break before my class). 

And ah, I love @imaginarylights! Their edits are always pretty :) Anyway, I just figured life caught with you up, and yes, I did resend my ask, but I guess tumblr didn’t like it *side-eyes*.

*Note: I tried to make things easier to understand by writing them as points, so hopefully this helps. Let me know, I guess?

Humans carrying Vmpr gene: So what I actually meant was that your original theory from our first discussion assumes that all humans (past & current) naturally contain a genetic sequence that codes for vampires except the gene is normally turned off. I do NOT agree with this because if you actually try to map out the transfer of alleles or even create a punnet square (granted, it’s already difficult with the lack of evidence like I stated earlier), you would expect humans to birth vampires, including Purebloods, more frequently regardless of the time period in VK. Obviously, this isn’t the case, so no, humans do not carry this gene at all.

The Prbd gene: like I said in past msgs, this would be developed in the Progenitors during human development in the womb where a mutation likely occurred during replication, repair, or even crossing over during meiosis. This just means that, technically, a “misarrangement” of DNA ended up coding for the traits we see in Purebloods. Since there are so few Purebloods, you would expect this gene to be recessive or “rare.”

Arguments: You could argue that it’s also the nature of Purebloods in VK and how they do not reproduce often and many of them were killed off early on in wars. Considering the different levels of vampires and even Senri’s rank, though, I think it just comes down to a gene that is rarely passed on. Although, you could also look at it as that Hino wanted Purebloods to be rare to emphasize the Kuran family’s prestige and nobility, ultimately making Yuuki and Kaname “special” characters in comparison to others.

The environment: I’m not taking back what I said from earlier msgs - I still think it played a role in the ways I stated earlier.

“Failed” or “incomplete” Purebloods (I don’t know how you would want to word that): In short, these people expressed partial traits of what we would now in VK consider the Prbd gene. Because they didn’t express the full gene, their fitness was lower, so they did not have a good chance of surviving and passing on their genes. Therefore, these people would not encompass the Progenitors, thus, lowering the Progenitors numbers.

Your questions: Hopefully my point about humans helped clarify some things. As far as humans duration of pregnancy for Purebloods and “teething,” I can’t answer these questions because I am not the author, sorry. This would all be speculation that has no basis because there doesn’t appear to be any evidence to support any claims.

The Vmpr gene: Basically Levels A through C (Pureblood to Average) vampires would express this (dominant) gene as it encompasses the very nature and expression of vampires. As such, this would mean the Progenitors underwent several mutations prior to birth as this gene would be at a different loci (location on the chromosome). Although, considering how the two are related, I would expect the genes to be relatively close to each other in terms of distance.

Charisma: I’ve seen it mentioned in the manga, but I don’t recall seeing it shown. However, I would presume that vampires have more pheromones to attract humans or that humans are just more attracted to vampires for some psychological reason that I can’t answer.

Blood satisfaction: To me, this is more of a plot device, similarly to the argument of why Purebloods are rare. I think it’s something Hino added for the sake of the love triangle as a way to add drama and romance. To argue that there’s some sort of genetic or scientific basis for this is like saying that there are predestined soulmates that people are fated to fall in love with, which is determined by their DNA… Which just seems odd… There might be a psychological reason, but that’s not my major.

Why I was salty: It’s hard to determine the offspring of mixed classes of vampires and even with humans because we are not shown any examples. Based on her lore, the simple answer is that based on the level of vampire parent(s), the children will fall somewhere in between as seen by (my love lol) Senri’s rank as an Aristocrat. In the case of Ren, I have no idea. Of course that’s not how genetics works and is confusing when considering the children between Average vampires and humans since some may be human (-.-)

Zero: I didn’t use Zero as evidence for vampires reactions to sunlight because Zero was not born as a vampire. My whole theory only encompassed Level A to C and I thought he was a Level D. Regardless, he wouldn’t carry the Vmpr gene and as such, he falls under my next theory that I hope to present, which is how Purebloods turn humans into “vampires” and how Level D and E are different (genetically and otherwise) from the other classes of vampires.

Hunter genes: I know it’s a possible counterargument and my answer is that I still have no idea how Hino’s “pseudo-science” works with hunters, so… Imma side-eye that. Maybe I’ll eventually come up with a theory that can explain her lore and hunters, but until then, I’m not going to address it.

So I don’t know how long this ended up being since I no longer have a limit LOL, but I hope it wasn’t too long. Nonetheless, I hope this helped clarify everything! Let me know if you have any more questions before I move on to my next theory.

Until next time!

I figured your poor ask had been gobbled by the tumblr gremlins again; this new submission post system seems to work much better (and it allows you to have more freedom to outline your points, which I’m sure everyone following our crazy discussion will appreciate). =) Plus it’s easier to respond to, fufu!

@Humans carrying Vmpr gene: Thanks for clarifying this one for me. So you’re saying if humans naturally carried the vmpr gene, we’d see it more frequently across time (even if it was still rare on the whole) rather than all at once in a clump like what Hino implies, which makes it unlikely as a possible explanation. I can definitely get behind that. 

@The Prbd gene: It’s fairly undeniable there was an environmental component to the development of the gene, so we’re in agreement there. (That’s the one thing Hino pretty much directly implies in the story.) And lol @ the Purebloods needing to be rare in order to make the Kurans “special”. (I would not be surprised about this one.) And my questions regarding vampire pregnancy and teething were more speculative in nature anyway; just wanted to know if you had any thoughts on how a human giving birth to a Pureblood would go, given how long it takes Purebloods to develop within fellow Purebloods (though perhaps this is more due to the fact that Pureblood female wombs have other toxins that slow natural development that a human’s wouldn’t, who knows–again, just speculating). Admittedly the whole teething business was a recent addition on Hino’s part, but it’s a bit of a horrifying process to contemplate given the progenitors arrived with human parents who knew nothing of the process.

@The Vmpr gene: Oh that’s quite interesting that there’d be several mutations prior to birth . So of course for Levels A through C you’d expect some kind of vampiric gene dominance. What would your thoughts be on Level Ds like Zero and the other turned humans? Would they pass on human genetics or vampiric ones if paired with, say, a human, rather than a vampire? (Obviously Zero’s kids would be partially vampiric due to Yuuki being his partner.) 

@Charisma: You see this pop up in the story at various points–Rido uses it against Aidou during the Rido battle back in arc 1 (Aidou’s eyes go glassy and he becomes mesmerized until Yuuki has to snap him out of it) and Yuuki when he takes over that kid at the vampire ball where she mopes about Kaname and Sara, and also during the Sara arc everyone’s always commenting on how Yuuki doesn’t have any charisma and Sara’s busy mesmerizing nobles and humans alike. It appears to be from what Hino establishes a sort of “aura” around the Purebloods that draws the eye (she usually uses sparkles or some other screentone to show it). Anyway, my thought was increased pheromones of some kind myself, though admittedly it doesn’t particularly matter and could just be a natural part of the “whole package” of the gene and more of a social side effect rather than an intentional one.

@Blood satisfaction: Okay, I just wanted to confirm you didn’t think this whole bit was scientifically valid from a genetic perspective, as I’m personally also of the opinion that this is just a romantic plot device. ;) I can definitely get behind the idea that it’s potentially just psychological on the part of the Purebloods and has no actual basis on whether or not they should be satisfied with X or Y amount of blood taken from random or less loved parties.

@Mixed Children: That’s really interesting that average/human mixes might have human genetic dominance (at least if this was genetically sound fufu). So do you think it’s possible for Purebloods (or a Pureblood/Noble mix, or Pureblood/Average) to have a throwback human child? Come to think of it, you know, the Hunters having a small amount of the Vmpr gene creates humans with some of the genetic traits–such as Kaien’s long life and youthful appearance, despite his lack of fangs. How interesting would it have been for Hino to have a human or more human expressing Pureblood or Noble character? *ahem* But yeah, it’s a shame Hino was so focused on the top of the hierarchy we never got to see any characters from the lower ends, where the struggles would be more common. 

@Zero: Oh great you’re going to dig into the Level Ds/Es in your next theory. Then I’ll wait to badger you about Zero’s specialness until after you’ve had a chance to dive in. =) (And lol, yes, it’s kinda…bizarre how the Hunters ended up being able to pass down certain vampire genes by just…eating?…the Hooded Woman. Like…pretty sure that’s not how that works lol. But hey, whaddoo I know? XD)

Anyway, don’t you worry a thing about how long your posts are! You have plenty of space now, and if my own responses get too lengthy, I can just put them under a cut now. =) 

Looking forward to your theory on how turning works!