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buckydeservesthebest · 4 months ago

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All of this.

I mean… how apathetic and unfair can anyone be to want to normalize a disabled person being dismembered by being taken away from his disability aid by a mechanism put is his prosthesis behind his back. A prosthesis that he did not even request to have in the first place. One that was given to him so that he could serve as a soldier and fight for Wakanda.

T'Challa himself recognized that Bucky was tired of fighting, his expression of disdain and misery at seeing the Vibranium arm as synonymous with being called to new battle says it all. (At least Boseman had more class in giving T'Challa a touch of compassion instead of acting like a proud and apathetic king who ignores the wishes for peace of a poor man who's seen too much already, and readying him for combat in the same way he orders the readiness of his other weapons.)

I would like to say that even though I would say it is canonical that Bucky is as well versed a fighter as Steve and T'Challa for combat.(Marvel's official website describes that he goes toe-to-toe with them.)

(The Winter Soldier didn't lose his first confrontation with Steve, and I would argue that he held the upper hand for most of the fight. In the second encounter, I think it's arguable to say that he seemed more focused on protecting the success of Project Insight rather than actually killing him. And in their last fight on CW, he was clearly able to neutralize Steve.)

Bucky was already described as an outstanding athlete in the Smithsonian panel. The canonical Mavel Dictionary: Visual Dictionary book describes him as a three-time YMCA welterweight champion (though admittedly there is no mention of this anywhere else, but that same book also confirms that Bucky was drafted and did not voluntarily enlist, so we can give him the benefit of the doubt).

Bucky was a capable enough leader to have earned his rank of Sergeant (E-5) in just one year and five months after he was drafted (January 1942). In WWII most sergeants, and the best sergeants, are considerably older than both their men and their lieutenants. This means that throughout the four years of the war, sergeants were mostly drawn from the older recruits and the existing cadres of corporals. Bucky was the youngest member of his team. Only very exceptional men between the ages of 18 and 26 can hope to possess the maturity looked for in a Sergeant.

Bucky was also 90% accurate at long-range shooting, which is why he was the team's de-facto sniper.

Side note: note how the role of sniper Bucky was always shown in a protective manner, by watching the backs of his comrades and firing only when an enemy approached them and not before. This is hardly ruthlessness, especially when you consider that Steve and the rest of the Howlies also used firearms.

And according to the Visual Dictionary book, his incredible sniper skills inspired the legend among HYDRA troops that their soldiers would drop dead as Captain America approached.

BUT...

Having said that, *this does NOT mean in the slightest that Bucky is innately ruthless and that violence is part of his nature.* Because being naturally talented either in hand-to-hand combat, as a leader, or by having good marksmanship is NOT synonymous with being ruthless and violent.

To say this is as absurd as saying that anyone who is talented in martial arts or marksmanship is a person who is naturally dangerous and should be kept under the radar because of the threat they possibly pose.

"God protect us from all the Olympian martial arts medalists, target shooters, world champion boxers, shaolin monks, they could easily kill anyone, they are potential dangerous criminals and a threat to society"... Do I have to explain why this reasoning is absurd?

The funny thing about this is that most of the real criminals, serial killers and terrorists are not even trained in hand-to-hand combat or in the proper use of firearms, much less are they the most talented people in those disciplines.

To say that a person who is skilled in combat or shooting is more likely to commit a crime and/or kill someone is extremely stupid, pardon the use of that word, but there is no historical or psychological basis for such an assumption.

It is indeed interesting, but most practitioners of any martial art, or fighting technique, are generally calmer than those who are not.

I will use myself as an example, my brother and I have been black belts in karate since we were 15 years old, and I can say that neither he nor I enjoy or look for fights because it is fun to kick someone's ass.

Actually, this idea totally disgusts me, I never remotely enjoyed the fights that were mandatory for exams every 4 months, nor did I ever enjoy having to beat up my classmates in defense practice, yet, (sorry if I sound pretentious, that is not my intention) I guess my brother and I demonstrated enough skill to get the black belt before some of our other classmates who were older than us.

Why am I saying all this? My intention is to clarify that the fact that a person is skilled in some fighting technique does NOT make him/her naturally ruthless or more prone to be violent than other people.

And the fact is that the ability to fight is part of the survival instinct of all living beings, the ability and willingness to kill someone if the situation forces us, is something that exists in each of us, even animals.

Any person, no matter how small and frail, is no less willing to be violent in self-defense or in defense of someone else than a super soldier (who didn't even ask to be one) who is also fighting for his life or the lives of his friends.

But for some reason, Bucky is the only person not entitled to use light violence (one that is not even lethal force) defensively because he is already considered ruthless and cruel. Where is the reasoning in this?

Bucky is canonically a NON-violent person, someone who has never actually thrown the first punch in a fight, one who waits for the conflict to start so that he has to respond.

This can be seen from the way he defended Steve from the bully in CA:TFA, he first stops him, positions himself in the middle of him and the victim (Steve) as a shield, waits for the aggressor to attack him, blocks his blow and it is up to that point that he responds the aggression, using the minimum amount of force to push the bully away.

The Winter Soldier himself is someone who does not attack first, but responds to violence once he is assaulted and not before, and when he does, it is very usually in order to protect something. This can be clearly seen in his fight against Steve in the Triskelion, he positioned himself in the middle of Steve and the computer, blocking his path so that he does not get to it protecting it. He does NOT launch the first attack, but waits for Steve to initiate the aggression and it is until that moment that he responds to it.

ALSO.

The Winter Soldier is NOT ruthless, this is a word that by definition does not apply to qualify him, because being ruthless implies that the person knows that his actions are ruthless, he knows that his actions harm a third party and he does not care or feel guilty about it.

The Winter Soldier is a non-person, someone with no sense of self, no emotions, he is a zombie with no mind of his own who is literally incapable of doing more than what his handlers command him to do. He can NOT reason the nature of his actions and thus be “ruthless”.

It's like saying that if a robot is ordered to kill someone, since it shows no emotions (because it literally has none), the robot is automatically “ruthless”. Of course not. And the Winter Soldier is virtually that, a mindless, emotionless body that is only programmed to follow orders.

Bucky is also a born protector and not someone who seeks conflict and enjoys fighting. (This is a great meta on the subject.)

Again, this is something T'Challa himself understands and acknowledges, so to say that Wakanda always considered Bucky a danger, and that he needed a permanent leash in case he got out of control is PURE. AWFUL. UNFOUNDED. BULLSHIT.

Even with the change in his personality in TFATWS, which is arguably out of character for him (only explainable due to extensive brain damage and C-PTSD that was never treated but worsened), Bucky literally never had an emotional outburst or showed an action that could have been considered aggressive and actually dangerous to anyone's well-being...

(And the only two times he showed anger was at Zemo! His former abuser, who continues to push his buttons and try to get under his skin by trying to plant self-doubt in his mind! Bucky has every reason to be more than upset with him for all that he wronged him!)

... not even towards Zemo, who he justifiably could have punched, when he held him by the neck and took back his notebook he didn't even apply pressure on his grip, otherwise Zemo would have ended up coughing and struggling to catch his breath.

And as rightly stated before, people forget that Zemo was Bucky's abuser! Bucky himself being the one who was hurt the most by his actions! Because unlike T'Chaka's death which was not Zemo's direct intent, but one of the many lost from the explosion (he had a 50-50 chance of surviving like everyone else). The intent to hunt Bucky down and use him to cause damage was 10000% deliberate! So the Wakandans can't feel any worse about Zemo's prison escape than Bucky himself!

No one talks about how hard it had to be for him to interact with his former abuser and who stripped him of his autonomy by using him to cause harm. To say that Wakanda's bruised pride is more important than the trauma of Bucky having to interact with his former slaver who just kept pushing his buttons is horribly unfair!

Even in the firefight against the mercenaries in Madripoor, he showed frustration at having to be in that situation. “Dam it!” is the first thing he exclamis when the shooting starts, and he immediately covers Sharon and Sam trying to steer the safest path.

Bucky doesn't even shoot to kill those mercenaries, the first one seems to get hit in the arm and not the head, the second one clearly gets shot in the leg and not the head again... And the woman who was still attacking them at the end, he throws a pipe at her that hits her in the shoulder (one of the least life-threatening places) and not in the head or chest... And after that we can see Bucky's expression of shock and mortification for a moment, so much so that Sam has to reach out and drag him behind the door of the container! Where is the innately ruthless man that the writers want to sell us?

As well said before, this vision is totally fanon, NOT canon. The real Bucky we've seen for 13 years is literally the opposite of a ruthless killer.

Bucky is someone who despite understanding that it is not his fault what he was forced to do under mind control, that does not make him feel less responsible and that is why he wants to make amends for sins that are not his. A person as kind-hearted as he is cannot be recognized as such for that, and at the same time be labeled as ruthless. *For a ruthless person feels no remorse.*

No other mind control victim has shown such deep guilt and a desire to make amends to the people who were affected by their actions, as Bucky, and yet none of them have been considered “ruthless” or “naturally violent” for that.

Now about Ayo and the Wakandans:

"... they still choose to help him out of the goodness of their hearts.."

Sorry to burst the bubble @marvelandimagine but this is NOT so, T'Challa did NOT offer his assistance to Bucky just because of how magnanimous he is and because in saw in him a poor helpless man that no one else wanted to offer help to. T'Challa did it in the form of thanks for helping him find the real cause of his father's death, and also in the form of an apology for spending 90% of his time trying to kill him without first making sure to prove his guilt. (And to be honest, this assistance was something he *did* owe Bucky.)

The canonical comic Avengers Infinity War Predule literally states as much.

So while Bucky is grateful for the assistance Wakanda offered him, he does NOT owe them lifelong loyalty nor is he limited to only doing what feels right to them and did not represent a damage to their pride, because that is a stance worthy of a bully.

(But if the DM claim to have jurisdiction wherever they are… errr... does that mean that if they break into someone's house, they have jurisdiction and can do whatever they want simply because they are technically there? isn't that a narcissistic and supremacist attitude?)

"... she feels betrayed by Bucky because Wakanda helped him and now he’s doing something that’s hurting her country..."

"Hurt her country"? How is Zemo's temporary freedom (from a prison that wasn't even secure enough to prevent him from technically breaking free on his own with a plan relatively easy) supposed to put a nation as advanced as Wakanda at any kind of risk? Besides the damage to their pride, which seems to be the worst sin according to Ayo.

It is ironic, or rather hypocritical, that Wakandans see Zemo's temporary freedom as a “danger” to their country, when the DM themselves and the entire Wakandan council allowed Killmonger, one of the most ruthless criminals, who literally hired Klaue to steal Vibranium, and who actually exposed Wakanda to real danger, to be king. Just because he fulfilled the tradition of defeating T'Challa in combat. (Does it mean that a potential and real danger to Wakanda is allowed, as long as it technically fulfilled the traditions? Which means that respecting traditions is more important than actually protecting Wakanda? Isn't there a certain cynicism and lack of logic in this?)

But back to Zemo, once again. his temporary freedom did NOT expose Wakanda to any kind of danger, because there was not a single thing he could do to harm them.

And not only this, Bucky always had every intention of returning him to prison once his help was no longer needed, this is something Bucky talked to Ayo about and it's something she understood! That's why she gave an ultimatum of 8 hours before returning, something Bucky never objected to. So to say that Ayo dismembered and dehumanized Bucky because she felt “betrayed” is totally false.

And speaking of betrayal, let's look at what this word means and why I believe Bucky's assistance in Zemo's escape from prison doesn't fall into this category:

According to the dictionary, “betray” has two main definitions:

1. To not be loyal to your country or a person, often by doing something harmful such as helping their enemies.

Bucky is NOT an agent or guard of Wakanda who owes them absolute loyalty. Zemo's temporary freedom did not expose Wakanda to any kind of danger, because there was literally not a single thing he could do to harm them. Bucky was NOT helping or benefiting Zemo, but using him as a means to a greater good. So this definition doesn't apply in the remotest of ways. And again, Zemo is also an enemy of Bucky himself.

2. If someone betrays something such as a promise, they do not do what they promised.

Bucky was not assigned the task of guarding Zemo and making sure he never escapes from prison. He never promised or committed to that task because it is not his responsibility. So this definition does not apply either.

In conclusion: Bucky did NOT betray Wakanda by any definition. Because once again, Zemo's temporary freedom did NOT expose Wakanda to any kind of harm NOR danger.

(I wrote a short post on why, according to the nonsensical script, Zemo's help was necessary. The canonical book The Art of The Falcon and the Winter Soldier says so, so it makes it clear that Bucky did the right thing by calling on his assistance.)

"...And then that time limit runs up, and he chooses to get in her way..."

Like... this was literally NOT the case. The DM showed up claiming custody of Zemo, Bucky literally never objected. The only ones who objected were John, Lemar and Sam. Bucky didn't intervene in the beating Ayo was giving John, *until* she was literally going to kill him by impaling him with her spear, a death that had nothing to do with her mission to capture Zemo, and ultimately it was because she was distracted by using Walker as a punching bag that Zemo had was able to escape.

Ayo got upset because Bucky stopped her from killing a guy whose death adds nothing. She started attacking him violently. Bucky tried to talk to her and simply defended himself using non-violent methods and it was in a fit of anger that Ayo made her low move and disconnected his arm.

Now it turns out that it was Bucky who was being aggressive and that's why Ayo was outraged and removed his arm??? This is a bullshit lie!

As correctly stated before, it is justified for Wakanda to have put a kill-safe on the prosthetic aid they gave Bucky WITHOUT any condition (knowing full well that ignorance of this mechanism puts Bucky's life at risk), because they wanted to have insurance in case, as one member of the production of the TV series said, "the situation arose", they could simply deactivate it... But they have no problem making a full Vibranium suit for a stranger who was one of those who opposed Zemo's arrest?

Let's pay attention to the words the production member used, “should the situation arise”. This goes beyond the idea that Bucky might “pose a threat to them”, this implies that that “insurance” is there for any time Bucky does something they don't like! And in fact that's what Ayo did, she disconnected his arm simply because she was upset that he stopped her from killing Walker... isn't that extremely low of her?

Now I wonder, Wakanda agreed to make a full Vibranium suit for Sam, someone who truly objected to the DM taking Zemo, and who called Bucky to intervene. It's only fair that they also put a fail-safe in Sam's suit to neutralize him in case he ever poses a threat to Wakanda, or in case he becomes mind controlled, right?

It's almost funny, but in the latest cut of CA:BNW, you can see the wings of Sam's suit have the same shock absorbing ability as Black Panther's suit, an ability that Bucky's arm does NOT have.

This is on purpose on the part of the production right? Now it turns out that Wakanda trusts Sam enough, a stranger they have vaguely interacted with, to include in his suit an ability that is special to BP's own suit??

Hypocrisy at its finest.... 🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️

I think some people mad about the arm is not necessarily about the fact that Ayo disabling the arm itself, it's more of the fact that it was not necessary and the fact that Bucky had no idea they can do that. If I were to be honest, I think it was not that necessary because Ayo is well capable of taking him down without having to disarm him and she is definitely not threatened by him. I think what some people find upsetting about that scene is the fact that it kinda comes off as Ayo putting Bucky in a position where it would make him feel like he doesn't have full control of his own body after all. The Wakandans, especially Ayo, T'Challa and Shuri had every right to feel betrayed and upset but the point is they should have told Bucky about how the arm can easily be disabled like that, they didn't know Bucky was going to set Zemo free when they gave him the arm and regardless of the things they have done for him and if they were ones who gave him the arm, they should have at least told him about it, because it's connected to him, it's a part of HIS body. It doesn't matter if it was necessary to disarm him or not, the point is they should have told him about it because apart from the fact that it's his body and that it was a bit insensitive given his history, it's also a point of vulnerability, and the fact that she did it in front of Walker (and possibly Zemo) --- people who can easily turn on Bucky, could easily that to their advantage and attempt to disable it themselves. Just my thoughts on it.

Thank you for sharing your perspective, anon!

I’m going to use this long-ass reply to address this stuff with Ayo and also voice some thoughts I’ve had over the past few weeks seeing people paint Bucky into being this complete soft and harmless human that needs 25-7 protection which I don’t jive with — and this is me, a complete Bucky stan.

Many moons ago, I saw a post that compared 1940s Bucky moving with stealth and a loaded gun on the train to the Winter Soldier doing the same thing, essentially discussing the similarities and debating how much of non-brainwashed Bucky was in the Soldier. And I think the fandom forgets or chooses to neglect the following when painting him as this fragile, peace-loving guy:

Bucky was an incredibly skilled sniper in the United States Army. His job is to eliminate threats in the most efficient way possible, and he’s good at it. HYDRA gets their hands on him and + the serum, this gets magnified. It wasn’t like HYDRA turned him into someone with the ability and mental capacity to kill — that was already there. The brainwashing and torture just carved out the rest of him to leave those honed skills and an amplified ruthlessness with no moral issues, no sense of self to contend with. That ruthlessness is part of Bucky, whether people like it or not.

When Bucky is outside of HYDRA for the first time and hiding in Civil War and gets attacked, he’s so brutal in his actions that Steve Rogers, the man who literally was ready to die to save Bucky and free him when no one else believed in the good in him, intervenes because “Buck, you’re going to kill someone.” Bucky responds that he’s not going to kill anyone, but the fact remains: with or without HYDRA control, Bucky has a strong capacity for violence that hovers on brutality — again, what’s the most efficient way to eliminate or neutralize a threat? Like, I don’t want to kill you, but I’ll knock your ass out with cinder blocks to the chest.

Bucky has a good heart, he’s loyal, he’s smart, he’s caring, he’s the longest-standing POW in history and was turned into a slave for decades, put through unimaginable trauma and torture and horror with no escape. Bucky is also a strong and incredibly skilled super soldier who has a bionic arm, is a trained sniper, is unnervingly precise with knives, and self-describes himself as “semi-stable.” Zemo notes in the bar that “it didn’t take Bucky long to get back into form,” and he’s right because the ruthlessness and skill of the Winter Soldier is a part of him and always has been. We see it when he has his hand around Zemo’s neck and tells him he will kill him, when he rips the glass from his hand and throws it across the room.

And I’m sure the Wakandans know all this about Bucky, this light and his ability for hard-to-stop violence, whether from talking to Steve and Bucky or doing their own homework. And they still choose to help him out of the goodness of their hearts because he’s been put through hell and they believe they have the capacity to help him and it’s the right thing to do — they’re betting more on those positive attributes. And they put a failsafe on his arm, a literal weapon, and chose not to tell him. You know why I think that shows how much they did care about him? Because they could’ve blatantly come out and said “Hey, we don’t trust you,” and hurt him outright, but they didn’t because they’re betting on the light in Bucky to outweigh the dark or any future manipulation. That it’s a worst-case scenario function they hope to never have to use — so they’re prepared if shit hits the fan, and if it doesn’t, Bucky doesn’t have to be hurt feeling like he can’t be trusted. I see no issues here, they’re just being cautious.

Now coming to Ayo, my QUEEN Ayo. From that beautiful, beautiful opening scene, we get to see her support, her reassurance, her belief that Bucky will be able to work through this, even when he doesn’t believe it himself. She watches him fight and struggle and cry, and you can feel the hope in her and how moved she is when she gets to tell him it worked, he did it — he’s free. And she says it not once, but twice. And you can hear not just the comfort, but the PRIDE and warmth in her voice directed to him, who I’m sure she’s watched throughout the whole deprogramming process and gotten to know and is happy to see him work through the pain and come out on the other side.

And then she sees that same individual make a decision in freeing Zemo that she perceives as a “fuck you” not just to her country, but to her, someone who was charged with protecting her king. She could’ve just disarmed Bucky the second they met up, but she doesn’t. She takes the time to explain her side and her feelings, her guilt and her shame, and basically implies that she feels betrayed by Bucky because Wakanda helped him and now he’s doing something that’s hurting her country. And still, she doesn’t attack or just go get Zemo. She gives Bucky the benefit of the doubt and a whole 8-hour American workday to do what he has to do because again, she believes in the best of him. And then that time limit runs up, and he chooses to get in her way.

And that’s the final straw. She’s angry, she’s guilty, she’s frustrated, and she feels betrayed hurt by someone I think she did respect and care about, someone whom she worked with and helped and supported when he was his most vulnerable. Did she “need” to disarm the arm to fight Bucky? Probably not. But is she doing it in the heat of battle and adrenaline and a whole bucket ton of emotions, including what she sees as the White Wolf blatantly disrespecting her country and her as a person and even friend and she just says fuck it, I’m done? You hurt us and me, and I’m going to hurt you back? Oh yeah. And Bucky looks shocked, not because he’s a poor fragile baby and “oh no, my arm, how could you?? my TrAumA”, but in the dual realization of “oh shit, how’d you do that?!” and “oh shit, I think I crossed a line here.” And also, I don’t think a single person in that room would be able to recreate the disabling sequence other than Ayo — it’s way too targeted and specific for someone like Walker to pick it up in the whole three seconds it took.

People need to stop reducing characters to these black and white extremes of soft and hard, of good and bad. Doing so completely devalues and ignores the REALITY of the complexity of being human, and Bucky and Ayo are both great examples of that played by stellar actors who portray that range and depth extremely well. End of the day, my thought is that the failsafe in the arm was justified and people need to stop coming for Ayo based on this ridiculous narrative that Bucky is too traumatized and sensitive and too much of a fave to ever be challenged or he’ll explode into dust. Boy deserves a life of freedom and healing and mental health support, but he’s also still a formidable opponent with the capacity for violence and skillset to kill. People are more than one thing.

Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk!!

#to say that the Wakandans had the right to remove Bucky's disability aid against his will #is as horrible and unfair as saying that any prosthetic manufacturer #has the right to remove a prosthetic from their patients because “what if they at some point use your prosthetic to attack you?#It's justified to put a potentially deadly fail-safe for them behind their back isn't it?“#he way Ayo dismembered and dehumanized Bucky is no less horrible #to the way Thanos dismembered and tortured Nebula #but this scene was made to horrify us and make us feel terrible for her #but with Bucky we should blame him for that??#the double standards are unbelievable...#and to say that Bucky is obligated to do only what is not against Wakanda's interests #because they helped him get rid of the Winter Soldier's programming (assistance that was offered to him in the form of thanks and apologies #is tantamount to saying that all people whose lives were saved in a hospital #are obligated to do only what the hospital sees fit #this is sooo wrong in more ways than one #the only ones who actually said ‘fuck you we lied to you all this time and we don't care about your safety’ were the Wakandans #and their actions do fall into the category of the word ‘betray’ against Bucky.#bucky barnes #james bucky barnes #mcu bucky barnes #bucky is a victim not a villian #tfatws critisism #anti ableism

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fandomfluffandfuck · 1 year ago

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S, I just came up with this idea. Listen..

Sebastian just losing it for Steve, he loves Chris, he's fucking weak for him. But sometimes, he looks at Steve on the screen in CA:TWS or Civil War, and just can't take it, he wants that guy. And imagine him talking Chris into role playing Steve just for him, when he's got the blonde hair, the bulk and all that. He just wants to be treated well by Steve, and not as Bucky, just himself, he can't help it.

That was it thank you very much.

I do love this idea! I love it a lot. And I think this kind of fits with my fic, "Character Bleed," obviously it's not the same concept, but if you haven't read that, I think you'd like it 👀

I mean, we know that Chris feels like this for Bucky on a PG level. Remember that con panel where he said he has a soft spot for him, bursting out with "I was gonna defend Sebastian, he's not a villian, he's a victim really!"? I remember it well. I especially remember Sebastian's happy little, 'he loves me' wiggle. It was the cutest!

(16:53-17:21)

So... I can totally see this happening with Sebastian in a PG-13 to R-rated way 😏 and I would like to imagine that it spills out of Sebastian accidentally, too.

Over the years and years of playing these characters, so much of Sebastian has become tangled up in Bucky, so much of Bucky is tangled up in Sebastian (which reminds of the top Chris quote in this gif set, too), and after the years of being with Chris, his infatuation still the same, maybe even worse now, realistically, it's only natural.

His heart speeds in his chest whenever he sees Chris and, usually, the effect is the same when he sees him larger than life on screen, portaying a character. Chris only has one face and it's just so goddamn handsome. He can't help it. C'mon! It's not fair! What's a man supposed to do?

And no matter how embarrassed Sebastian is of his simmering, latent, years long crush on Steve Rogers because of his affection for his boyfriend, Chris Evans--who is real and not fictional and more than enough, of course--he'll never say it willingly.

It only comes to a head because of the fucking sledgehammer to the head that is Nomad Steve Rogers.

That's so much closer to the Chris that Sebastian gets to love every day with his thick beard and his natural, untamed body hair and just his bigness, but it's also still so Steve.

It's Steve elevated.

It's Steve irresistible.

It's Steve knee-weakeningly hot.

So knee-weakening that when they're shooting, Infinity War over one of the the weekends, too wrapped up in each other to go out with the rest of the crew, hitting the town, it happens.

They're wrapped up, consumed in each other. Sebastian is pressed roughly back into their rented apartment bed, the sheets mused and ruined, the air thick, and his legs are spread as wide as they can be but they're still tense, still squeezed tight around Chris' impossibly broad shoulders. Those fucking shoulders--they're just so huge that he can't not press against them, no matter how shamelessly he opens himself to be taken and he loves it.

He loves how little and surrounded Chris makes him feel, always having to fight to make room for him. He's so big. Larger than life especially when he's been bulking and working out like a madman for the silver screen. Jesus, it feels as though Chris hardly fits between his legs sometimes. Like. Shit. He belongs there, between Sebastian's legs, having his way with him, wringing all the pleasure he wants from him. But he's so big!

Big and heavy, pressing down on him. Keeping him in place as if he would dream of going anywhere else. He dreams of this--Chris' palms broad and hot and owning, gripping handfuls of his thighs and ass, groping him, leaving finger- and handprint bruises where no one else will see. Underneath his costume, bruises that will ache when he stretches later, warming up for stunts and making his face warm with the secret, too.

(If only the makeup artists could see, they'd tease him and tut at him, playfully scolding him for getting it so hard when he knows he has to be on camera. Couldn't he have waited a few more days? Couldn't he have controlled himself for a little longer? God, Sebastian shudders impulsively, hot.)

So, Chris' there.

He's taking up space there, between his legs. Big, broad, and feverish, taking handfuls of him, taking mouthfuls of him, devouring him, first leaving marks across his skin with his lips and teeth and tongue, then sucking him off like he wants to kill him. Murdering him with how good it feels. Hot. Wet. Tight. Sucking him down, the slick, soft insides of his cheeks, the thrilling edge of his teeth, just hinted at, the depth of his throat.

Oh, God.

It's so distracting. He's so good. So good at this. He's gotten so good at this over the years that Sebastian is losing his mind. He loses his mind every time, now. He knows just what he likes.

So, Sebastian's grasping the sheets, fisting them so hard his knuckles are white, whimpering. Breathless. And Chris does fucking something, something with his tongue that he can't comprehend when he's so hard, throbbing, he just--

Sebastian arches and moves, feverish, squirming, reaching swiftly, grabbing and holding onto Chris' hair, dyed dirty blonde and long enough to really fucking hold on.

Then, to make it worse, Chris goes with his frantic hold, letting himself be directed, humoring Sebastian for now, until he wants to take control back; he dives deep, deep throating him, humming, letting him sweat with the vibrations that gut him. So overwhelmed with how fucking erotic it is, how good it feels, Sebastian is groaning, mouth open. He can't think. He can't stop.

It simply escapes him.

He can barely see through the tears in his eyes, his head spinning, but he's blinking, staring down at his shaking hands fisted in that blonde hair, and whining, "St-Steve!"

Suddenly, Sebastian is cursing how good of an actor his boyfriend is--how willing he is to "yes, and" because while Sebastian wants to curl up into a ball, tingling with arousal that's being rapidly taken over by superheated embarrassment, his nerves spitting and sparking like faulty wiring, Chris is chuckling. Just for a moment, though. The dark vibrations feel like fire. Hot as fuck. But that laugh, rich and dangerous, disappears and is replaced with Chris' touch. Chris has let go of one of his thighs to gather his right wrist, then his left--Sebastian hadn't even realized his hands had unweaved themselves from his golden fucking head of hair, making him see double, but they had. His hands are covering his own mouth. They were. Chris is putting them back in his own hair and he's--

"Ohh, oh, God!"

He's making him hold onto his hair and he's pushing himself down, down, pressing his nose to the flat of his lower stomach, swallowing around him, making him feel so good that his hips jerk sharply up. Chris doesn't choke and Sebastian dies. Just a little bit. Dying. He's sucking him like a beast and he's just, just... it's like he's urging him on, it's like he's--

Without his hands to cover his mouth and shut himself up, Sebastian moans again, "Steve!"

It's like he's trying to get him to say it!

Between his legs, Chris is determined, there's just the hint of a smirk on his mouth, curled up around his aching cock. And in his eyes--

Sebastian knows that look.

Fuck.

He knows it!

He knows the determination; he knows the steel in his gaze; he knows the dangerous glint and he fucking sees Steve.

"Pluh-please, please!" Sebastian gasps, overwhelmed, trying to hold himself off but failing spectacularly, "please, Steve!" His outcry is immediately followed by half-whimpering, half-panting, "'m sorryy!"

He's so fucking embarrassed that his face is tingling; he couldn't be blushing more, but he also can't stop himself, his body is rushing, pulsing, throbbing, and too sensitive to stop. It's too much! There's no brakes, only more gas.

Steve, Steve--Chris, er, whatever.

Chris won't have it, though.

Chris isn't just looking at him with that bastard fucker, stubborn stare that's pure Steve Rogers--Steve Rogers who won't and doesn't know how to put his head down and give up, not giving up now--Chris is lowering his voice and putting that lilt in it that's booming, authoritative, and empowering.

Actually, that voice is not so different from his usual, deep, rumbling, this-is-making-my-dick-hard voice, and the association is going to ruin Sebastian for the rest of his life. Every time they're on set from now on, he's gonna think about this and he's gonna fucking die of mortification.

Chris has so easily slipped into that voice. That role. Criminally easily, he's started being Steve.

Steve.

Steve ordering Sebastian around like he's making calls on a battle field as he pulls off his cock with a slurp, leaning his broad shoulders back, confident and cocky, a fucking leader, "you're gonna cum for me, baby. C'mon. I see it. It's right there. I know it is." While he talks like that, he jerks Sebastian off hard. Dick wet and sloppy from his dreamy mouth. Squeezing his throbbing hard-on until Seb gasps hard enough his throat hurts, he's going raw.

"You're gonna gimme what I want, baby," Steve tells him, "and you're gonna show me how pretty you are by cumming."

Sebastian is just a man.

Just a man on edge with an order to fall over it. So, he cums.

Hard.

He cums, pumping, throbbing, and shattering in Steve's hands. A fucking wet dream worthy man--his flowing, blonde hair, his voice, his beard, his stupidly broad chest and shoulders, his torn, dusty uniform, his hands, and those fucking gloves. Sebastian can see those gloves, his rolled uniform sleeves, exposed forearms, all of it. He can see it painted on the back of his eyelids as his eyes roll back, breaking apart with pleasure.

He makes a mess of Steve's beard and plush lips and the site of it, when he manages to peel his eyes open, it makes him wanna cum again.

Now.

Please.

#asks #fandomfluffandfuck #sebastian stan #chris evans #evanstan #rpf #real person fanfiction #steve rogers #stucky #bucky barnes

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ovtrojeon · 7 years ago

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steve rogers tried tries so hard to keep bucky barnes safe all the time and the one time he finally manages to save him, bucky is frozen in order to get hydra out of his,

and steve is alone again.

#steve rogers #bucky barnes #stucky #stevebucky #bucky is a victim not a villian #they make me so sad #and i love them so much ahdksksjd

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buckydeservesthebest · 4 months ago

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Yeah, also for those who accuse Bucky and Steve of allegedly using "excessive violence" against a group of “innocent cops just doing their job”.

I just came to the conclusion that they are not only not bystanders as they are a tactical group, but they knew that what they were doing was a crime. Because they know perfectly well that the order to shoot on sight is illegal as it is a violation of the human rights of a poor man who is only a presumed culprit, and who at the time of the deployment of the mission did not represent any danger.

And in fact the order to shoot on sight, when it is considered “necessary”, must follow a protocol. According to the US Department of Justice, and many other international laws, prior to the use of lethal force, agents must use a verbal warning so that the target surrenders to authority. And it is clear that the tactical team did not do that, they literally started the operation by throwing grenades into a locked room. They knew they were not following the necessary protocols, i.e. they were negligent.

It is interesting because the Romanian police, a country that was not a party to the Sokovia Accords, followed the legal guidelines, as they resorted first to a verbal warning and then initiated the arrest. Because another guideline for the use of deadly force is that it should only be used when the target poses an immediate danger to the officers or another person.

Had Bucky had the opportunity to have a legal defense, I'm sure both Ross and everyone involved in that order, would have faced a pretty nice indictment that would have possibly revoked them from office...

Bucharest details

Not sure if this had been pointed out previously, but during the apartment fight scene in Bucharest, there's a nice little detail hidden in the shadows.

Bucky knocks a man over the railing, who Steve Rogers catches just in time. What was really hard to see in the shadows is that Bucky actually realises this in the middle of his fight with another man and makes a motion to try and catch the guy.

Hard to get a good resolution picture of this, but his head whips around and his body moves away from his new enemy when he hears the guy scream. His metal arm reaches towards the falling guy and his fist opens (rather than closing if he was actually intending to elbow the guy he pushed onto the wall).

Because it's hard to see his head in that scene, it's clearer in the next cut that Bucky definitely turned around to face the stairwell.

Bucky was really trying to stick to his no-kill promise he gave Steve. He didn't even stop to take any of the discarded guns to defend himself (even though guns are his forte).

That said, he still didn't trust that Steve would be on his side, because in his mind while Steve blocked bullets for him, Steve also seemed to be protecting the police from him. He thought that when push came to shove, Steve was more likely to side with law enforcement than him.

He was completely taken by surprise when Steve knocked the shooter out for him. I wonder if it was the first moment he thought that maybe Steve was on his side.

(edit: sorry guys, had a mind spaz and confused Bucharest with Budapest. Need more sleep/caffeine)

#In addition to an indictment against the U.S. government for having been participants and conspirators in HYDRA #bucky barnes #james bucky barnes #mcu bucky barnes #bucky is a victim not a villian #ca:cw

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not sure why the mcu is still so intent on painting bucky as someone who needs to “amend” and “serve” to right his wrongs. or that he should move on from the image that steve had of him - aka a victim and not a villian. theyve decided that the only way forward for bucky is to be forgiven by people who have suffered because of the winter soldier - as opposed to bucky forgiving himself.

first zemo acts like he forgives bucky, when... what did bucky even do to hurt zemo?? wasnt it the other way around???

even sam, who is a va therapist, is pushing the dialogue that the only way forward for bucky is to amend. the entire conversation felt so uncomfortable bc it very much felt like victim blaming and that bucky wasnt doing enough work, or the ‘right’ work to move past his trauma.

not once do they label bucky as a trauma victim who wasnt in control of his actions but a casualty of a system that used and abused him.

#theres that therapists twitter thread that explains this better #but it just felt so wrong to me #the entire conversation around bucky owning up to his actions #like yes i get it #its important that he does that and come to terms with his ws past #but the only way through is not to say sorry or give the victims closure #i also hate that all the sambucky posts have essentially glossed over this very important aspect #sam as a therapist and friend should never ever have told bucky that he wasnt working hard enough #at least not os early on in his therapy #mcu treats trauma so shitty #but yeah #protect bucky barns #hes a victim not a villian #they gave zemo a better redemption arc #bucky barnes #sam wilson #tfatws #tfatws spoilers #mine #trauma tw #thought i was done but then they're trying to act like the steves book where he wrote down ways ot fit in the future #WAS THE SAME AS BUCKY WRITING DOWN PEOPLE HE KILLED AS THE WS #like whatttt???#wheres my bucky barnes defense squad #leggo

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vampirescholar · 7 years ago

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anyone: “bucky is a villian”

chris evans:

#hes a victim not a villian #I LOVE thIS SONG #chris evans #marvel #stucky #stevebucky #bucky barnes #steve rogers #captain america #***

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legalandnotease · 2 months ago

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcTBjZ_za_M

Here's a very disappointing of a therapist talking about Bucky and agreeing with what TFATWS said about him. Apparently, even though Bucky had no choice with the killings, he still needs to take responsibility for them.

Also Bucky's therapist was good because she 'didn't put up with his bullshit'. His 'bullshit' was not trusting or opening up to her, but why would he do that when she insults him and deliberately triggers him. They say 'she's exactly the kind of therapist he needs' even though earlier they said in a situation like his, it's important to have people who love you unconditionally.

They also liked the scene with Sam's advice. They agreed with Sam telling Bucky that it's his job to make the other victims of Hydra feel better and get closure. It's really sad that only two people ever acknowledged Bucky as a victim: Steve and T'challa.

At least they also agreed that Sebastian is a phenomenal actor.

Thanks so much for sending me this!

I clicked and I saw it was Cinema Therapy. They *finally* made a video about Bucky.

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We've literally been asking them for one for 3 years or more. Funny how he only got half an hour though, when Tonky got more than double that. (Although I understand there's a 45-minute version on their Patreon page...)

Also, I am glad they put him in the "hero" category not "villian" or antihero.

I am about halfway through it at the moment and I am starting to see what you mean, though. What really bothered me was the intro sequence where they said Bucky was "partly to blame" for the actions of HYDRA- and yet still compared him to an abuse survivor. So abuse survivors are "partly to blame" for the actions of their abusers? Its weirdly contradictory for them to talk about Bucky needing unconditional love and compassion- and yet be fine with his therapist's horribly insensitive treatment of his trauma. Also Sam's whole "tough love" thing. Isn't that the opposite of compasssion? Others have gone into how it could potentially be not only traumatizing but even dangerous for Bucky to approach family members those he killed without professional supervision or mediation.

I personally suspect that maybe the somewhat contradictory statements arise from people's reluctance to criticize The Falcon and the Winter Soldier show in any capacity. You know what happens if you do.

The other possibility is the attitude to male victims in general. Natahsa was never forced to make amends, or blamed for the actions of The Red Room. Bucky is. Why?

Mostly I suspect its because society has brainwashed men into thinking they can't be victims. They must have *wanted* what happened to them, and if they are vulnerable or struggling then that amounts to "weakness".

Look at the attitude of many fans towards Bucky overall, and how they equate basic compassion with "coddling" or say he needs to stop feeling sorry for himself and "get his shit together".

This is absolutely typical of the rhetoric that male victims are subjected to in real life. And the rhetoric surrounding male mental health as a whole. Men aren't allowed to be struggling, men aren't allowed to need help. Men aren't allowed to be be in pain or emotional and above all men aren't allowed to be victims.

Except they 100% are.

#bucky barnes #mcu #sam wilson #christine raynor #cinema therapy #male mental health #tfatws #winter soldier #mental health #ptsd #captain america: the winter soldier #captain america #captain america: the first avenger #james buchanan barnes

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buckydeservesthebest · 6 months ago

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This is why Skogland and TFATWS production's logic of "to heal, Bucky has to allow himself to be responsible, say 'I did it', and stop hiding behind excuses of lack of control" is utter shitty cynicism!

Because literally Bucky has ALWAYS taken responsibility for what his body did. Even when he understands that he had no control over it.

And not only that, the first thing he asks upon regaining consciousness and control is "what did I do?" and not "what did they do to me?"... Bucky has never given two cents about the damage his handlers may have done to him in his most vulnerable state... That doesn't matter a damn to him. What he cares about and is terrified of is the damage his handlers may have forced him to inflict on others...

If this is not being one of the most noble hearted people... then I don't know what is...

@whumptober | Day #30: "What have I done?" Captain America: Civil War (2016)

#Bucky has always taken responsibility for a situation for which he is NOT responsible #bucky is a victim not a villian #bucky barnes is a good man #just like Stan Lee said #mcu meta

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siren-of-redriver96 · 3 years ago

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How MARVEL failed Karli Morgenthau

For The Falcon and the Winter Soldier, there have been a few reviews from those who have seen it online, and with them came tons of critizisms on differing aspects of the show - and while I could go on quiet a bit about them too, I want to talk about Karli Morgenthau and her cause, the Flagsmashers - in particular how the writers of MARVEL have completely and utterly failed them.

(spoilers for The Falcon and the Winter Soldier)

Disguised ideas

The Flagsmashers are introduced to us as dangerous, but well-meaning anti-heroes, marginalized activists who want to help those who have been displaced and put in need by the Blip - they also want the world administrations to not entirely abandon the structures and senses of community established after the Snap. If you wrote the story from their perspective, it would be close to a YA novel - a group of teenagers and refugees who get super powers and use them to help others against a world that is about to abandon and disregard them.

On the paper, it seems the heroes are set up to eventually find a common ground with them - realizing that the people they want to help can be better supported if they team up and find a solution outside of their current plans.

But that is not what happens.

In fact, what happens is completely disconnected from how the Flagsmashers are introduced.

As Honest Trailers put it “Don’t worry, they’ll kill just enough people to qualify as villians (without having joined the militairy and by that, by MCU standards, having a license to - I could go on too about MARVELs relationship with the US army, but that would take too long).

Getting back to topic - the point where Karli Morgenthau, without the apporval of her very much shocked team, blows up a building full of unarmed soldiers, and claims it to be justified, is dramatized as the turning point for her character, the point where this good-hearted activist turns to violence to proove her point.

It is also incredibly hamfisted into the story. Karli turns evil within the blink of an eye, and it feels that way.

Furthermore, if we look at moments where the directors seem to rub into our faces that this was bound to happen, guys... aka the moments where she puts on a weirdly displaced smile before fighting someone physically ... we see that even Erin Kellyman can’t make sense of it, no matter how much she tries.

Karli, the way she is portrayed between these scenes, is not enjoying violence. She‘s not enjoying having power over others just because she can - in fact, it’s this very concept she is fighting.

An moving onto her team - they are shocked, but keep going along with her ideas - and the plot punishes them for this behaviour, first by humiliating them (at least that’s what it felt like when Bucky and John Walker stopped and belittled them like unruly teenagers caught spraying) and then by having Zemo kill them, followed by zero mention shock from any of the heroes. Bravo.

Ultimately, the writers perpetuate several pretty concerning ideas - Karli falls victim to a trope we’ll discuss in a moment, and the overall message seems to be (and we’ve seen this before as well) that even someone with good ideas and a valid point can’t be trusted, because they'll eventually turn to violence just because they can and think others will too - this reeks of telling us we should not support people who protest for very much needed changes when it comes to very urgent problems, because you can’t trust them.

And I have a feeling that the next season of TFAWS isn’t really going to adress the people whom Karli and her friends tried to help. Because Sam asked world governments to do better publicly, and so they will ... right?

Karli could have told him better - and oddly, so could we.

Insensitive treatment of real-life parallels

The parallels to present day discussions such as the refugee crisis and protests against different kinds of injustice and opression across the world in this series are pretty clear - but I want to specifically talk about how the show seems to draw some lines (and yes that pun is intended) concerning the comparsion between Karli Morgenthau and probably the currently most present teenage activist, Greta Thunberg.

Again, the fact that they have a young, female character who is leading a cause, not afraid to bend the rules to face the adults isn’t the problem - it’s the progress she makes the MCU is implying.

Because - correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t see Greta or any present day teenage activist resorting to violence or even mentioning that they would.

Like I said, Karli’s fall came completely out of nowhere. And while, of course, it’s just a show, real people don’t act like fictional characters - it’s still rude, and not even subtely, to write this. In particular, it paints activists and refugees as potential full-on villians, no matter how noble their cause initially seems.

Going back to what Karli could have told Sam - let’s talk about him.

On YouTube, a reviewer has critizised that Sam trying to be a centrist is kind of an odd choice - especially considering his main inner conflict of how he, as a black man, can represent a country which has wronged his people massively in the past and continues to do so in the present. He’s still working for this countries very controversial militairy and tries to talk Karli out of her plans (until her message reaches him in the end) - going so far as to call her a surpremacist “because she thinks she knows better”.

But what does he mean exactly?

It kind of sounded like he was saying her perception of what world governments and big cooperations involved were going to, or, more specifically, not going to do for the people she was trying to help was wrong.

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Looking at our world, any news headline, any report from anyone who has been failed by first-world governmentship ... is. she. wrong???

I can’t speak for everyone, but I, just as one example, can personally tell you that the country I live in (Germany) has openly and publicly been failing to reach the goals it wanted to fight climate change for several years.

Greta did her best to wake up the world, but the governments don’t make anything close to the necessairy progress - and if you do even the slightest research on how they “plan” to achieve it, it just gets worse, at least in Germany.

And that’s just one example. I could go on and on about roughly 20 situations in the USA.

So - Karli isn’t a surpremacist, Sam, she‘s just tired of all the bs. She’s tired of politicians making empty promises and resources being kept from those in need. She wants to make a change herself when noone else will.

Even superheroes often fall into the trap of not bettering the world, but retaining the status quo. And if we look at the end of this show - not much changes. Sam will try, but - like I said, the victims of the Blip aren’t going to see much change.

The Swerve

This term was first coined by Tom Frome online as to describe a situation where a villian becomes too relatable, so they do something violent and usually out of character to remind the audience that they are the enemy.

For Karli, her swerve begins with the bombing in Vilnius, and she begins to frequently excert violence from then on.

In another review I’ve linked below, it was also brought up that Karli’s actions don’t match what she says. She’s verbally and often very appearently concerned for the situation of innocent people, but then switches to random violence, cheerful smiles before a fight and threatening Sam’s family over the phone with no explanation that was given to us.

The character seems to be composed of two sides that don’t match and don’t communicate - a violent hooligan and an empathetic activist. I kind of get the feeling the writers wanted her to be first and to hell with her ideas, but decided to include them anyway to a level that confuses one over who she becomes when she stops talking.

I’m kind of baffled how a team of writers as well-payed as the ones at MARVEL can produce this, but I digress. It may also have something to do with an info online when the show came out about a rewrite made to the script that changed a global pandemic as the main conflict (and the Flag Smashers actually stealing a van full of vaccines for those in need in the beginning) - maybe Karli was changed too?

Either way, her “character development” doesn’t work. The one that might have would have been one in which she doesn’t swerve, eventually begins to trust Sam and carries out the final battle alongside him and the others, perhaps against Zemo and the Power Broker.

But the writers also had to justify, and make it not to tragic for the audience, that Karli ultimately dies. Because it feels to me like they had no interest in carrying on with her as a character.

Wasted potential

By the end of the show, the people Karli and her friends tried to help are still in the same situation - Sam told world governments to do better, but are we to assume this had a lasting effect?

The show and her had a certain potential to continually adress what effects and consequences both the Snap and the Blip had on the world, and how people continue to deal and struggle with it.

It could have included Karli as a sort of, yes, Robin Hood, a kind of rogue hero of the people who shows up constantly across the world and uses her powers to help those in need. Here we could have had development, aka that she turns away from “smashing flags”, but not from trying to make governments aware of what needs to be done and occasionally pirating resources before making a getaway.

This show could have intervined her development with that of John Walker and his wife, maybe Eli Bradley, Isiah’s grandson (I still suspect he’ll become a character with some degree of inherited super serum powers in season 2), a revived (Agents of Shield did that) or how about not killed Lemar Hoskins, and have them team up with Sam and Bucky ...

As you can see, the series had tons of potential, but they went too big too fast and wasted 3 seasons of material in one. Also, I still suspect MARVEL wasn’t really interested in anyone but the main protagonists and John Walker. Plus - I’m not saying they did Karli dirty because she’s a girl, but the show divides the few female characters it has into family members and criminals.

Anyway, I think this essay is long enough now - last but not least:

what a waste of an perfectly fine Erin Kellyman!

looking foward to see her in the Willow series - hope they do her justice with the script this time :)

Thank you very much for reading :)

Links to other reviews of the show:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6W-bLVjF16k

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tQ6_b6cePE

#the falcon and the winter solider spoilers #the falcon and the winter soldier #marvel #karli morgenthau #marvel phase 4 #mcu

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lamentingwclf · 2 years ago

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It’s just as well. You are not the first person to be manipulated by elitist blogs using face claims of color to lure muns or blogs who have harassed me and my mutuals with anonymous hatred. I still hope we will see you again someday.

The only person I remotely allowed to manipulate me is you - and that's because i agreed to the changes in Bucky's story that inevitably caused this. The fact that every story we had revolved around your main character to the point we couldn't have a single thread that didn't mention her? It was utterly ridiculous and by the end of it, Bucky's responses were struggling. Not to mention, on multiple occasions the changes to the story I agreed to not only went against the lore i used for my character, but made his story null and void. The fact that he had a twin? Who was taken first, and Bucky was only taken and turned into the winter soldier because of his twin versus the actual canon story line? Or how about changing the entirety of the events of Civil War so that they revolve around your character? Do you know how utterly and truly hard it was to write? | But the biggest issue I have is, do you know how racist that sounds? I think you put it as an "exotic canon of color"? What the actual fuck is that? Not to mention you essentially removed Shuri's involvement in creating his arm because you HAD to have it be your character. So essentially your character is better than the whole of Wakanda. Mkay. The only person that's spreading hatred or attacking anyone is you. You can play the victim, you can make me the villian, that's fine. But the lack of accountability of your own actions in all of this. I'm not coming back. I'm not going to write with you again. And I don't want to continue a friendship that almost entirely ruined this muse for me. I've had enough drama here on tumblr. It's not good for my mental health.

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usernamesuggestionsarefunny · 4 years ago

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Hot take: I unapologetically like John Walker, like, not even in a "he is morally gray and interesting" kind of way. He was brave and had good intentions, he just wasn't as quick to search for peaceful solutions and had several realistic flaws such as being insecure, ambitious and quick to follow orders for the establishment. Most people (on tumblr) just hate him because he is white so he must be evil or symbolically represent male white priviledge or something, because he didn´t romanticize terrorism as the writers made Sam start doing, and because he “unfairly” got the shield (The shield the dumb ass writers made Sam DECIDE to give up so they could have that sweet drama? THAT shield?). People say that Steve Rogers would have never done what John did, not even after his literal best friend was killed in front of his eyes, ehem... did we even watch the same movies? Did everyone just forget about that scene in Civil War after Tony tried to kill Bucky?

His reasons for murdering that terrorist guy that took part in the killing of his best friend and for wanting to apprehend a potentially dangerous group were waay more understandable than any of Karli's actions AFTER she started killing innocent people "to send a message" while still claiming to have the moral highground instead of, you know, keep stealing and distributing food and medicines like they were exclusively doing at the beginning or something.

I get that it sucks the writers made the flag smashers the villians (I hate what they did with the good hearted and idealistic Sharon Carter as well), I myself would have prefered if Karli had been writen as an anti-hero or even new hero who teams up with Sam and Bucky, maybe the flag smashers could have been divided into different factions, some more extremist than others, and a government guy could have been the real or worst villain, but that sadly didn't happen. The moment they wrote her blowing up that building full of unarmed people though, she was a self-righteous murderer just like Zemo, which would have been fine if that was the point of her character.

I was very irritated by the way the show writers, via Sam, tried to minimize her actions and make us feel sorry for her, dehumanizing the people she had killed in the process. We barely ever see her victims, they are mostly faceless entities who don´t matter in comparison to “poor well intentioned baby Karli”.

If the writers wanted to send the audience a message about “doing better” for refugees they could have done so by making the flag smashers the heroes that have been unjustly framed for the terrorist attacks (Which would have been an AMAZING plot twist), or writing them to be more complicated by making most of its members stand against the extemism of certain factions of the group, or by showing the good things they do, making them fight armed guards only. They should NOT have made terrorism seem “cool” and “trendy”, the deaths of civilians “necessary”, and the terrorists the “real” victims of... *gasp* being called... terrorists! The poor babies, noo, so offensive! The correct term is freedom fighters, nooo!

Needless to say, the woobification of the poor baby terrorists didn't work for me and I wasn't exactly horrified by Karli´s death or impressed by Sam´s corny victim blaming speech where he doesn´t actually give any practical ideas on how to solve the refugee crisis caused by the snap but sure does love to say the government officials all, indiscriminately (Maybe AOCortez or someone was there? I mean, idk), deserved to feel powerless as hostages because that, apparently, will make them sympathize with the people that made them fear for their lives instead of, I don´t know, seeing them as way too unreasonable to negociate with??

Now, I would have preferred for John Walker´s actor to play Lemar and viceversa, because I get that black characters get killed to motivate white characters far too often, so it would have been nicer to see it done the other way around for once. For John Walker to be the new flawed yet good hearted war veteran who has to redeem himself after making a huge mistake born out of pain for the loss of his friend, someone who has to develop and learn different tactics other than violence in order to defend people, someone who has to learn to question the status quo... and he just happens to be black like Sam. Their rivalry would not be even implicitly about race, but exclusively about differences in methods and about who gets the Captain America legacy. We could still have Bucky hating on him, the funny rivalry moments, no changes.

But sadly the writers needed a character to represent the white that didn't deserve Sam's shield but only got it for his race, or for looking similar to Steve, which is an important theme, but one that was perfectly explored already with the plotline about the original black supersoldier who was erased from history, and one that didn´t work for me because they made Sam give up the shield willingly BEFORE it was given to John, a war hero, so all I am getting is that simply being chosen for something important and accepting it because you think you can do the job, wanting justice for a friend, and not trusting terrorists to change their murderous ways is what made John “less than” Sam and Bucky.

I guess what I am trying to say is that John doesn´t deserve half the hate he gets and maybe if the writers had changed his race from the comic books then his character would have suffered less from being placed into a specific “personification of white male priviledge” box here on tumblr. No offence to the actor though, he was great.

#john walker #lemar hoskins #the falcon and the winter solider spoilers #the falcon and the winter soldier #anti karli #sorry not sorry #the falcon and the winter soldier rant #the original supersoldier who was black was a good plotline though #i love the ending at the museum #pro john walker #john walker positive post #john walker positivity

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