#btsandvmin ask

[btsandvmin]

Not to be too delulu but i think the (end) means end of the friendship (at least end of the way it used to be) and start of a romantic relationship

Ask before Fri(end)s: Not to be delulu you said...

Answer after Fri(end)s: I'll show you Taehyng said...

Honestly though after all these years and all these "could it really be" I can't blame anyone for having a hard time not thinking Vmin when Tae ONCE AGAIN sings about a friend being something more (and other familiar lyrics). 🙃🙃🙃 This is just the world we live in.

[dearweirdme]

hi! first of all, i hope you're doing ok, it was really interesting reading some of your posts / analysis. since most of the questions regarding other ships are about jkk, i wanted to ask you about vmin and what do you think about their relationship. there's this account (@btsandvmin) that has some really interesting posts as well, if you have time maybe you should check them out! i dont take the ships seriously tho. i honestly dont care about their private / love life, i just hope they are happy and well, no matter what. have a good day / night ♡

Hi anon!

I normally don’t tag blogs I don’t have permission from to do so, so if the blog you mentioned wants me to remove their name.. please let me know!

I think Jm and Tae being same age has been both a blessing and a struggle to them at times. A blessing in the way they had a person with whom they could just be without having to hold back because of age, but a struggle because their characters (especially early on) can clash easily. I think these days they don’t clash as much.. or at all, but when they were younger.. I can totally see it. I think Jm’s seriousness and Tae’s freespiritedness didn’t match. Being as young as they were and especially under mountains of stress.. at times they probably just took their pent up anger out on each other… just because with each other they could. I think there was a huge lack of misunderstanding, with Jm being able to set aside his physical needs better than Tae and with Tae being more prone to be mischievous (none of this is meant to say either one was wrong).

I think a lot of what they told us is actually true. I think they fought a lot. I think for Jm it might’ve been hard to have been the last to be in the group, the others had already bonded, Tae and Jk were probably already very close, elimination still hang over his head before debut. We’ve heard how Jm hardly slept, and I think Tae just probably got to him a lot. I think Tae (and Jk combined) could be very annoying 😂. When Tae and Jk say they got scolded a lot.. I think that’s true. I recently said that I feel that Jm also has a tendency to hang with the hyungs, and I think he was part of the ‘scolding Taekook’ brigade. We just heard Jm and Jk talk about this a bit, and how Jk had to meditate between Tae and Jm often. I think that’s probably very true. From how I understand Jm’s words.. he thinks of Tae and him early on as complicated.

Things got better ofcourse. Who knows exactly why? I think they just got to know each other better, and perhaps through conversation with others they built an understanding. It could just be as simpler as admitting that perhaps you see the differences between you and the other, but you can accept those differences and still feel the other is a good and nice person.

It’s possible they got to understand that they were also similar in certain ways.. and that they both went through some of the same things and just reacted differently. I believe that Jm and Tae shared intimate stuff and became a source of comfort to each other. Jm comforting Tae isn’t fake and I think Tae really needed someone who was able to give him that physical comfort. Of just being held and being listened to.. and I think Jm is really good at that in general.

I don’t think there’s romantic feelings there (obviously 😊) I think Tae really liked Jm’s body 😅. But I’ve not seen them look at each other in amazement or something. I think they’re just really close and are connected through having gone through a lot together. Theirs is a basis of trust, of that I’m sure.

[vminsarchive]

Hi there, I am a new vminie on tumblr. I know you are a vmin blog, I was wondering if you knew more vmin blogs to follow here? Thank you in advance 😊

Hey baby!! Welcome here, hope everything's going well 💕 I'm sorry if it's too late but there are too many stuffs in my life these days.

analyses

@nekathyran (also other contents)

@btsandvmin

@thoughts-on-bangtan

@romanticdrift

fics

@ao3feed-vmin

contents like gifs/photos/videos etc.

@95xcv

@dreavmin (half reblog)

@vminminv

@bbttss123 (vmin+bts)

@infallibleshipper

@vminian (mostly reblog)

@sweetscapri (bts+vmin half reblog)

@vminforlife (mostly reblog)

@vminparadise (bts+vmin mostly reblog)

fanart

@mandakkoo

there were a lot of Vmin blogs and some of us (vmin blogs) inactive or closed. Hope it's enough for you. Thanks for asking, take care <3

[lesbian-vmin]

Welcome back, truly missed your no-nonsense longtime ARMY take on things. Watching Festa 2019, Hobi made me emotional. When the members were praising him, his little face 😔. He truly is underrated. Sometimes I think Jin & Hope hv similar personalities, but Jin has larger presence? Q. Recently there’s been ask/comments popping up about something being off with vmin. In what little unedited(?) content we have last year, there seems a bit disconnect, but being really new ARMY I am genuinely curious to know your feel. I have read btsandvmin’s posts, but wanted to hear your take. Thank you if you do decide to answer. Please don’t stop posting ❤️

He is so underrated, but I kind of like it that way. Hobi biased people tend to be the most amazing and wholesome people in the fandom (as well as Jin and RM biased people, honestly... though some RM biased are a little pervy for me lol)...and I think it's because they have the least fans/stans/solos or whatever. So you know, the less people you have...the less crazy people you have. In the words of Agent K. (I think it's sort of fitting) "A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it. Fifteen hundred years ago everybody knew the Earth was the center of the universe. Five hundred years ago, everybody knew the Earth was flat, and fifteen minutes ago, you knew that humans were alone on this planet. Imagine what you'll know tomorrow."

Anyway. Before I move onto Vmin, let me just state one tiny little thing about Hope. Probably my favorite thing about him (there are so many things) but I love it when he talks about his passion. I wish we had more Hope on the Street lives where he talked about dancing. Because I could listen to him gush about his passions for an eternity and never get bored. Honestly. 

Now for the Vmin take on this ask. (below the cut)

I've read some posts around about recent Vmin, and...I'm not going to get into who said what and which specific details I agree and disagree with. Because I don't always (in fact I almost never) agree with larger Vmin bloggers. And I don't particularly....well. I'll just try to answer this in a way that (hopefully) isn't stepping on anyone's toes or anything like that (because I know that's probably not the intention of the ask), and this is something I've wanted to talk about for a hot minute. 

So. About the recent Vmin and how there seems to be a disconnect or whatever. I don't know. People keep using this "I've been around for a long time" bs to justify them saying they see what they see. And I mean. It's fine. People can see what they see. But "I've been around for a long time" too, and I don't think there's any sort of "disconnect" or anything really strange going on. I'm not saying that my view is better than anyone else's. In fact, I don't "read too much into things" or try to make something out of nothing/everything all the time. I usually take stuff at face value, and take the members for their words. I see Vmin talking. Being cute. Interacting. Posting about each other. Complementing each other. And everything they've always ever done? It doesn't seem weird? It doesn't seem off? What was it? Because of the birthday post? Because Jimin didn't gush and post a lot of words and just made a simple tweet? Or is it something else? (I mean, I can "delusional" about things if I want to, but I'm mostly joking on those things and just appeasing the audience, if you will) 

Either way. I don't think they're off? Or disconnected? Or anything like that. In fact, they actually seem closer to me? They always seem closer and closer to me. I think all of the members are a little off from what they usually are, if you ask me. Whether it's because of the Pandemic. The absence of fans. The fact that Yoongi was out of the game. Or what. They're all a little...I don't want say "off" (even though I just did) because it makes it sound bad. I honestly think that them being stuck in Korea and letting them have more time at home has allowed them to work through things and think about things they may have been too busy to give any attention to. That goes for all the members. Not just Vmin. If we're just observing Vmin alone....I guess maybe someone can say they're different than what they used to be. But they always are? They're constantly changing. But that goes for everyone. I don't know. 

I can do a whole analysis about this topic, but to talk about the Vmin last year alone, I'd have to dig up content to talk about. And to compare it to what we've been given before, I'd have to dig up further content. All I can say is. I see Vmin as being close. They haven't done anything recently to make me feel otherwise. And, I'm sure I've said in a post before, but it would take a lot to convince there's some "off" (in a negative way) about them. Because I don't take the few moments we see on camera as hard evidence. And I don't think that what they post or don't post publicly (see b-day tweet) is any indication as to what's going on right now. Does that make sense? 

I know this answer probably isn't helpful. This is something I do want to talk about more, but I also am not sure that my attitude or view toward things is what everyone wants to read. Because I'm just "eh" most of the time. I mean. I can analyze moments that we do get and talk about them all serious or playful as much as anyone wants. But I can't go beyond what we're seeing to try to justify my thoughts. And what I see is Vmin being close still....so....does that make sense?

[vminforlife]

(1) Hello!! I’m a very, very new fan of BTS. Would you be okay if I asked you a few questions? I’m having a hard time finding BTS ( especially vmin) blogs that are currently active and updated. If not, please just ignore this message. :) I just heard and watched the live Outro Tear video and I read BTS wrote this song believing they were disbanding. Are they? That was very disheartening to hear as I’ve found so much joy in discovering them. Would you mind sharing your thoughts on current Vmin?

(2) Vmin was what initially got me interested in BTS. I loved their interactions and how much they seem to care about each other. But all the current (or at least what I think is current) BTS media they are stand off-ish to each other and hardly ever interact. Taehyung never smiles or has any of the playfulness in his personality. Did I join this fandom at the end of BTS? At the end of Vmin? I would love to hear your thoughts if you’ve got the time. It’ll be much appreciated. :)

Hi ! Thanks for your ask ...actually you are the first one ☺️and I don't know if I have the right to answer your ask. Actually I'm a fetus army as well although I know BTS quite sometime but I'm not into them really at first because I'm not into K-pop thing but my daughter was. Until last year September I think? I was watching videos in FB and somehow i came across some BTS videos them being dorks in an award shows and I find them funny and adorable at the same time. From then on I watch all the videos of BTS as much as I can 😅 to gather all information about them.

For your question if they are disbanding the answer is no. It was 2018 when they are having a hard times and thinking to disband it was revealed by Jin on his speech in an award show but fortunately they did not so don't worry. They renew their contract for another 7 years last year so we have plenty of time to see them 🙂

About VMIN .... I really love them you know. Their interactions felt genuinely real for me that's why I shipped them(I don't know if you are aware about fan service) . You're new in the fandom so do I but after researching about VMIN on youtube and here in Tumbler I can say that VMIN are still the same up to now ,they just got matured and not playful as much unlike before. They call each other bestfriend and soulmate and I believe them even if others don't.They wrote songs to each other and do coupley thingy that's why I can't help to ship them beyond friends. They are really cute together 🥰. Last year was a blast for VMiN they have a lot of moments together check out @btsandvmin you will be surprise.I hope I answer your ask correctly it is to the best of my knowledge and I 'm willing to be corrected 🙂I'm not good in explaining so forgive me ..

If you want to understand their dynamics fully I recommend @btsandvmin @lesbian-vmin @nekathyran their blogs are great and worth reading. Happy New Year!!!!

[vlovers19]

I m sry if this offends u but dont u think its weird that the others would refer to jikook as a couple more than once? Jin has done it, joon has done it n now yoongi. I mean ofc if it were real they probably wont but still 3 times to the same pair? Are they trying to hint something? And lets say if vmin rly have feelings for e/o them saying this wont it make vmin feel bad?

Thank you for this. I don't really want to talk about another ship because i will be sounding biased. If you follow my blog and read some of my answers, you will know that I have never mentioned that Vmin are for certain in a relationship. What i mostly say is that they probably developed feelings for each other over the years. (I hinted probably but most people always seem to ignore that)

The reason is because personally, I think being in a relationship with a fellow member in a conservative country like Korea will be very difficult because you won't really receive the support of everyone. It will be hard separating your work life and your personal life. Even if the members support you, what about the rest of the staffs working under the company? Is everyone really comfortable with your relationship considering the fact that there are a lot of homophobic people around?

Now realistically, instead of actually promoting the 'couple' so people will notice their relationship, they will actually try to cover for them and not let the attention fall on them. They will have to be extremely careful with the things they do and say.

I know about Jin, Namjoon and Yoongi declaring jikook are a couple when they act oddly in public. It's suspicious but at the same time, it really isn't. If they where a serious couple, instead of making it so obvious, they would have tried to shut it down. To get people's attention away from them so it doesn't look like a big deal. But when the members talk about vmin, it's often vague, they don't give away too much.

If we take a look at the image above, apart from Rm talking about vmin's closeness with Hoseok, he has also vaguely mentioned about it with Jin.

But at the same time whenever they do something odd or close to odd especially in front of the cameras, there will always be someone there to shut it down. Mostly, that's the job of Rm, the leader of the group.

Photo Credit @btsandvmin

It's like he doesn't want to leave people with imaginations. Shutting down vmin has been something he has done more than once.

During an interview, Jimin suddenly declared that Taehyung made his heart race after the latter complimented him. Rm immediately shut it down with 'because he's your friend'

He has done this during few occasions. Another example was when 4'O clock was released. Rm and Taehyung where chatting on social media. Rm asked Taehyung how the song came to be. Taehyung revealed that the song was inspired by Jimin. The reaction to that statement wasn't favorable at all. Taehyung was ruthlessly attacked by fans after that so Rm immediately deleted the post.

Due to such a reaction, why would he want to get them exposed if they really are a couple? Vmin ship isn't nearly as supported as jikook or Taekook. Many of their moments are often questioned and side lined showing the lack of support they get. Some blogs who post about them are ruthlessly attacked. Many of them end up getting shut down so it will only be natural if they are protected instead of being exposed. No matter what they do, people eventually choose to forget it with time.

Another example comes from Yoongi. Now, Yoongi is quite blunt with his words especially when it comes to the situation at hand. In 2016, when Taehyung was shooting Hwarang and Jimin kept continuously talking about him, Yoongi teased him much like how he is doing with Jikook now.

Or when Jimin was trying to flirt with him during a fan meeting but he immediately rebuked him and told him to flirt with Taehyung instead.

But when they acted spontaneously without any warning he too was there to shut it down.

Or during the shooting of boy with luv when Jimin held Taehyung's hand for no reason at all, Jin was also trying to shut it down but this time, he was somewhat unsuccessful.

I think it's more realistic for the members and Big Hit as a whole to shut down any kind of hint that might prove something is going on between those two. It is more realistic than trying to expose them or outright declaring that they are dating to the public especially at a time when things aren't that favorable for lgbtq people in their country.

They can joke about two people's 'relationship' if it isn't really true but no one makes jokes about a real relationship especially if it is a gay one. Why? Because it's sensitive. It takes a lot of courage to come out to others so most people will just try to avoid talking about it as much as they can.

I want to point out something. For quite sometime, we all had been waiting for a vlive from Vmin. However, Big hit chose to give us an interview of the two where they will have to answer specific questions. Despite it all, even in that interview, they exposed quite some interesting information about themselves. Things we didn't even know about them.

Having noticed that they had said too much, they immediately shut down our imaginations as if they where making excuses for their weird behavior during the interview. They reminded us that they are just friends like any other. Taehyung said he hoped they weren't awkward. (When in fact they where)

Even they themselves want to shut down any hint they might have exposed. Like they don't want the attention, as though they are trying to protect themselves.

Like I have said before, being in a relationship with a fellow member in a kpop group where fan service is the order of the day might not be an ideal situation which is why I think no one is dating in Bts. Really, no one has the right to be jealous if two other members are flirting. To me, it's the situation I see vmin are in right now. Even if they are, they will try to leave as little hint as possible.

Ultimately, I believe if there is a gay couple in Bts, they would try to keep it as low key as possible. Even though they want to hint at their relationship, they will make it vague so people don't really have conclusions about them to avoid attacks on their personalities. It's only normal. If one is going to come out, you have to really be prepared to face the pressure. If one isn't prepared, then it's only likely that you will continue to remain in the closet until you are ready if ever you are to come out. So in reality, it isn't as easy as it looks. People just don't hint on something that might bring attack on another's personality unless it's just a joke. Being in a gay relationship isn't the same as being in a heterosexual one. It comes with a lot of challenges. It's not that simple.

They might actually go about leaving hints if they are truly certain that they will end up together, like they are actually committed but according to Jimin, he is uncertain about the future. He doesn't know what will happen. He can only hope that they will be together but for the present, he would only like to show the members he cares.

I guess you understand the point I'm making. I don't want to dwelve so much but that's all I can say about this. Thanks for this ask. I quite enjoyed talking about this.

[btsandvmin]

someone just said the title could be a coincidence since the soulmate song is named in korean and tae probably knows that song by the korean word for friends and idk do u think the same way?

I mean everything could always be a coincidence. We will never truly know what is intentional or not. That's just the way it is unless things get confirmed 100% from the original source. And for any possible lgbt+ ship that happening is always going to be unlikely as well.

So we are where we always have been, but with yet one more possible coincidence that fit very well with the Vmin friends to lovers agenda.

Honestly though with how Taehyung has used both chingu in Korean and Best Friend/Friend in English to describe Jimin directly (outside of song lyrics speculation) I don't think he is completely lost on the meaning of the words being similar.

Not sure this answered your question but... Basically Vmin be vmining until we all go insane. 💜

[btsandvmin]

tae biggest jm stan fr, doing a 13 minute live and ending it seconds before face content drops to make sure everyone is awake and on weverse

Lol. Indeed. He basically did the same thing for Jimin's photofolio. But the 13 minutes timing was also a very funny detail. No one does it like Taehyung. 😝😘

😚💜

[btsandvmin]

Hey dear, I want you to just hear me out. When Jimin released Face off. I got a feeling that this song was about Tae and that it was a break up song and that is the reason why I think Tae never Hyped Jimin’s album. What if “ I wish you could love me again” by Tae was a reply to Face off. This is just my thought.

Nothing is impossible... They do have interactions after Face where they seemed fine though. And I remember Tae saying he was excited/waiting for it too before the release. Anyways, as usual we just don't have enough of the pieces to really know anything. All we can do is guess... Personally I don't really lean either way regarding the songs being about each other. What I do think is that no matter if the songs are about each other or not I stil think they are friends and at the very least civil with each other.

Thanks for the ask, and let's wait and see and hope Vmin haven't been through anything too angsty. ❤️

[btsandvmin]

So proud of jimin and filled with so much love!! And ofc tae and hobi are the first to comment on the song, sunshine line are each other' cheerleaders

Yes! So much love! 😍 And we still have the main track and the album left to look forward to as well. I feel so proud I could burst, so I can only imagine how proud the other members must feel. 🥰💜

[btsandvmin]

Omggg omgg Tae's album is finally coming this month😭😭😭. I'm so fkng excited! I just hope we get some vmin crumbs since we have been starving for so long. Manifesting Jimin related content in KTH1. I miss your analysis too. Wish you were as active here as in the past.

Aaaaaah! Yes it's finally coming! And videos for every song! 😳😍 It would be lovely with some Vmin indeed. But also just waiting for Tae's album for years and now finally getting it makes me so excited and curious.

As for writing analysis.... I am so sorry for not doing much. The biggest issue is that I still need to buy a new computer. Mine broke in October and I still haven't been able to buy a new one even though it's been forever. 😩 (Everything is so expensive atm so it takes forever to save up, and I don't have a job right now which sucks).

Basically it's just a lot more difficult for me to write long pieces on the phone.

Also now during the summer I have been away a lot, to some places that barely have internet. But I totally understand why you are waiting for me to post... I am sorry for being away. 💜 There are definitely interesting asks and of course old topics that I still want to post about... 👀 And Tae's new song titles looks interesting as well.

Thank you for the ask (and to others who has kept sending asks as well). 💜

Let's be excited for Layover together! 🥰

[btsandvmin]

Bet you anything that at least one of pjms song is vmin coded do u dare challenge me XD. I know i might be delusional here. But thats just for fun after all. I Guess shipping Wars meant to be fun if we dont cross bounderies of course. Anyway im so in love with vmin's bond and even if they are not a couple they do act like one sometimes XD And they do seem to be genuinely happy when they are together. Anyway im so happy pjm is coming. Btw didnt jimin said in festa that they both worked hard for their mixtape? Maybe together. Who knows XD. Im so excited. Vmin best bros.

Omg yes! I am so excited for PJM1! And no, I won't take the bet against you. 😝 As you say it is for fun, but considering their track record of similar themes (I mean even Jimin's part in Vibe has moon, stars, night and holding hands, and it's not even Jimin's song) I am kind of scared and excited.

And a Vmin joint mixtape (or collabs on their individual ones) have been a dream of mine for so long. (Anyone remember when I wrote about an actual dream I had about it? Vmin had a cute mv with them together on a couch and everything. 🥺❤️) But I don't know if I dare hope for it... I don't want to end up disappointed because of wrong expectations. 😅

Either way... You who have followed me for a long time probably know that lyric and song analysis in regards to Vmin is something I have done a lot, and something I enjoy a lot as well. Even if it's just for fun there is just a looooot to find in their songs that match extremely well between them and in regards to their relationship.

Anyways, of course I am looking forward to it even if it doesn't have a single Vmin theme or connection. But again, it would be really interesting to see if there are some themes or other things that pop up that could have a Vmin connection. 👀 ⭐❄️🌙⁉️

(...actually what if Jimin's moon tattoos or just like the moon or moon cycle is on the cover... Like that would be Vmin but also Jimin himself you know. Sooo many possibilities that could be super ambiguous and yet make us think of Vmin.......)

So yeah, excited and also a little scared. 😜 But I am sure we will all love it and I can't wait to see more of Jimin's colors as an individual artist. 💜

Thanks for the ask @yesimavmintrash 😚

[btsandvmin]

Hi! You haven't been active for a while and i just wanted to ask if you are okay?

Hi and sorry for worrying you all with being so silent. I am currently away from home, visiting my mom to help her. I'll be away for a little longer but I have seen that I have gotten a lot of asks and I understand that you all are waiting for my replies. Sorry for it taking time. But I will try to answer as much as I can when I get back home. ❤️💜❤️

Meanwhile I can at least say this in regards to some of the more frequent subjects in my inbox.

1. I love Face and will likely write a small review of the album as well as some thoughts on the lyrics etc.

2. I am not worried about Vmin at all and if you have read my blog for a long time I think you know my feelings about any "Vmin divorced" kind of claims already. (It's basically redundant for me to be talking about it at this point).

3. I will eventually post my big analysis here and I have already posted some of it here (though I haven't updated it in a long time now). There is more on my Patreon and some posts there are even open to read without being subscribed if you want to check it out. But the plan is to eventually have most of the big analysis on Tumblr as well as long as the format allows it.

Sorry for being missing during this time and I hope you can have some more patience.

💜 Thank you all for sending me so many questions and other messages. 💜

[btsandvmin]

Oh no, come on. They’re grown men. I mean they can all cover themselves with “it’s a song about Army,” but let’s be honest. As a person who writes songs, I can say that it’s a bullshit for situations when you just don’t want to share :)

And even if it’s based on a movie it’s always mixed with your own interpretations, emotions and experience

Oh yeah, I definitely see that as well. Songs can have a million different meanings and inspirations that we aren't ever gonna be privy to. It's a lot easier to have fans think the love is based on a movie then a relationship they have had themselves. No matter what that relationship would be it wouldn't be one known to the fans after all. That being said I also think it is possible to base songs on concepts or even feelings you have experienced through for example a movie. But at least from Taehyung he has even said that he tends to write based on things he has felt himself so. 😜

[btsandvmin]

Apparently "like crazy" is based on a movie "like crazy" with felicity jones and not the notebook. Either way, let me put on my delulu hat and say i would not be surprised if vmin watched that together. Tae also has a knack for being inspired by romcoms for at least one song of his...

Has it been confirmed? I know people suggested this movie because of the title but... 🤔 Oh well. Personally I don't think that movie is very good or romantic... 😅 But let's see what kind of lyrics Like Crazy will include.

(it could be about Jimin being apart from ARMY during the pandemic considering the movie is about long distance and being apart)

But yeah, they both seem to get very inspired by movies, and in particular love stories. 😝

[btsandvmin]

Dyiiiiing to read the next chapter on patreon! How are you, Mandi? So much to unpack now, miss your thoughts 🫰

Thank you!! <3 I miss writing, but my computer is broken (since late october) so it's a bit difficult to make big posts atm. And my Vmin analysis google docs keeps crashing when I try to write on the phone (because the document is too big). But I am saving up to a new computer and hopefully will buy it soon.

I really really want to post it as it's basically finished. The next part is about my view of Vmin's personalities (as individuals). The biggest problem is that I can't track the sources for some things... Meaning I might have to remove some of the examples... I am considering posting with something like "IMG Can't find source" on Patreon and see if I might be able to find them later and update it... But I am really sad about how difficult it is to find old things nowadays. Especially when I can't remember exactly what show/media the moment was from. T-T

Example:

Hopefully it should be up soon, but what do you think, should I post with missing sources or remove them all together if I can't find them soon? :/

Thanks for the ask, and sorry for being a bit slow and well.... quiet with new posts. *-*