#bts fan opinion

[akookminsupporter]

Ok I just reached the part in ep. 8 of the doc where jin says that he and his childhood friends constantly hang out and, when he's not home, they just hand out at his house and greet him when he gets back, and that's just the wildest arrangement I've ever heard lmao. Like this is why you want to be the friend of the celebrity and not the celebrity

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[beautifulpersonpeach]

BPP, am really really interested to read your thoughts on Seven!

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Ask 2: Hey bpp, can i be honest?? Ive been checked out of the fandom but still keep track of any music releases. So i didnt know abt any rumors abt 7. Imagine me being kind of disappointed that it’s another english song from jk when i watched the mv😅 it feels like his most promoted songs since last year has been all eng song… idk i wanted & expted something diff… i didnt like l&r, dreamers and now 7… it’s back to back lol. Tbf i didnt like My You too and thats in korean. At least not enough to listen!again after the first listen.

Im happy that still with you is finally on spotify tho. I’ll still be waiting excited for his album whenever it comes out. Hopefully ill find something i like in it!!

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[BPP Note: Both asks above were sent before my "I don't like it..." post. The asks posted below were sent afterwards.]

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Ask 3:

Same here

All the hype didn't matched with the song

1. rest members songs had so much depth and substance to it while this was the cliche boy chasing a girl song. Like we always dont need deep songs but the quality could be so much better. This was like just another pop song.

I think I'll put this on same level as BAD DECISIONS. But for bad decisions, atleast the chorus was staying on my mind while for this nothing was catchy enough for us to humm. Just because it's JK it will get hype but otherwise it's so generic. I think I liked LEFT and RIGHT way better than Seven. Even the rap portion felt so unnecessary and boring.

2. MV was kinda nice because of the production but concept was too shallow, the stalking and chasing was so outdated. In my country we have like 9293928843837 MVs in this same concept that not many make the same theme songs again.

3. The choreography. We haven't seen the full version. But for tiktok they do the highlight portions if that's so mediocre idk how rest will be. It was again giving the same mediocre showing off choreography and for me backdancers ruined it with their awkward moves.

4. they wanted this song to be played everywhere around the world. But there was nothing catchy enough to attract gp or go viral on tiktok, even if we sped it up. The only way to make everyone listen is to shove it down their throat but doing payola. But idk if investing in payola is worthy for the song. I also doubt the longietivity, as for me it was boring after 2 listens. I'll rather listen Like Crazy or wildflower or closer 20 times than listening this once.

5. I HOPE he'll bring something fresh to the table for his album and don't involve this mediocre producers who uses the same formula and same superstar persona to make a song successful. He is so much talented to sing a song which is so rich in melody and lyrics. And he can produce way better songs by himself.

Prolly a 4/10 for me

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Ask 4: troye sivan's rush (which also came out last night) is exactly what I wish Seven was. I don't mean that in a 'I expect the things JK to make to be gay' way just in the way it's a fun, very danceable, sexy summer song that doesn't pull its punches. Something about seven feels too run through a commercial sanitizer a few times, even with the explicit lyrics.

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Hi Anon(s),

Jungkook likes to fuck.

Rather, Andrew Watt likes to fuck and thinks Jungkook can relate.

JK has been talking about wanting to show more mature and explicit sides of himself for a good long while now. So I’m glad he’s finally gotten to do that, confirming for us why he keeps getting noise complaints from his neighbours since the mattresses all over his apartment don't help.

BTS has made songs explicitly referring to sex before (though it's been mostly the rapline doing so). So it's nothing new but I guess it's cool JK gets to share with us that he too has sex.

The question I posed to my friends immediately after watching the MV is, “Do you know who's been doing A&R for BigHit since 2020? I really need to know who is doing A&R for BigHit in America because they’ve been doing an appalling job lately. I'm starting to wonder if it's an inside job cause this song is kinda ass.”

That was me ~11 hours ago.

I didn’t like the song.

I’ve streamed Seven about 20 times since then I think, took a break from the song for a few hours, watched his GMA performance, caught a few minutes of the Wlive, then listened to it again just before writing this post and…

I still don’t like it.

Jungkook did a good job on the song, Latto's verse wasn't terrible, and while the song itself isn’t bad… the song isn’t good either.

It’s painfully, and at this point it’s a pattern so I have to add, predictably, mediocre.

Reserving judgement for the album, but Anons, I agree with you for the most part. The suits at BigHit are trying but they are woefully out of touch with the reasons BTS blew up in the West in the first place. I don't even feel like spending any energy doing a review or even trying to explain what I mean. So I'll just ramble on for a bit but try to keep it brief.

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I have to give BigHit some credit because I can see what they're going for here. Andrew Watt is a very celebrated producer in the US, he won the Grammy award for Producer of the Year in 2021, he's got A listers in his portfolio. So, he's not a cheap name to book and I can see why the suits at BigHit thought he's the genius to gift them a song clinically designed for American radio.

But that pandejo phoned it in. There isn't a lick of creativity to be found anywhere in all 3 minutes and five seconds.

It reminds me of VIBE by Jimin and Taeyang, as the closest analog to the vague dissatisfaction morphing into annoyance and then pragmatic rationalization I experienced in that same sequence when listening to it the first few times.

The song is disappointing because we've all heard it before. Too many times, and we're bored of it. We've heard JK sing this sort of song for years, as covers mostly. So on one hand, while I guess it's nice JK gets to have an American summer JB-reject pop tune of his own, it's not good enough to be the track that introduces him to the world as a solo artist.

It's fine for any white, blonde, blue-eyed heartthrob that can ride on a pretty face and implicit bias to rack up accolades, it's not good enough for Jungkook.

And BigHit needs to start using whatever leverage a US$10.6 billion market capitalization buys you in Hollywood, to insist for songs that are at least as good as the songs made by BTS members and produced by their in-house team. It's a waste of money and everybody's time to fly a battalion to LA just to record 2014's summer hit in 2023.

In my opinion.

Still With You > Stay Alive > My Time > Stay > Left & Right > My You > Dreamers > Seven

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All that said, I can't ignore JK has a taste for songs like this, and it's not his fault the song is shit (he didn't write, compose or produce it), so technically he shouldn't be punished for it. And the song is made for radio, while it's not my personal taste a lot of people really like the song (one of my friends likes Seven the most out of all the BTS releases so far), and it will catch on with some support. So, ARMY will support it including me, just to a lesser degree than I've done so far. Fingers crossed JJK1 has something solid on it.

[peevishpants]

bts member solo music power rankings

jhope

2. rm but like a mile behind jhope

3. suga

4. v jk jimin and jin

[louismygf]

just recently watched this is us with my college friends

[94erz]

so hobi was the only member nominated for the FAN VOTED award on mama not to win the award (mind you, there were 10 winners). i simply have no words left for this fandom. armys were too busy fighting about which maknae line member should get a daesang to care for getting the award for the only nominated member who is out of the military and who we KEEP failing Every. Single. Time. he's literally never won a fan voted award. i haven't cared too much about such things in quite a while but mama awards have always seemed important so this actually got to me. can't say i'm disappointed because i stopped expecting much from armys long ago but hobi has just got out and there were 10 winners so i thought it might be different this time but of course not. the fandom is FULL of ml solos i fear. and of course now they're celebrating and saying how they did so well. sorry for ranting, i know you don't really care about these things now either but aghhhggggfggg

All I can think about is how he didn't go to that fuck ass event (except for TXT's performance they were amazing), didn't speak about it, didn't post a single thing about it, nor will he since why should he? This year he wasn't (and I hope isn't at any future point) forced to go and collect anyone's awards and there was no benefit to him as an artist since he didn't perform, and instead did something HE loves to do and I'm so happy for that.

No fake platitudes to a fandom that fails him over and over again.

I really have stopped giving all fucks what the fandom does, I watched ONLY for TXT this year and prioritized MOA spaces and watched as they put on a good show. It was so positive and supportive and it reminded me of why I used to like being in ARMY spaces and now I know I'll never return to them 'cause they aren't as supportive and positive. They've made it all perfectly clear j-hope is not someone they care to support and they have made the fandom extremely toxic and unbearable for j-hope biased fans so why should we stay? Why should I return? They don't want us there and so fuck it and fuck them honestly.

[yonglixx]

last round of kpop asks for you!

33 - 38 - 40 - 53

33, a kpop concept I don't like : honestly I feel weird when some kpop groups try to do the whole 'hip-hop' concept bc they dress so ridiculously and act and behave over the top like just steer clear from that

38, a song everyone seems to like that I don't: I dont wanna seem harsh but I wasn't vibing with tzuyu's solo 'run away' like she looked pretty but the song and performance felt so underwhelming to me

40, songs I would show to people who are not into kpop: umm...I feel like god's menu for sure, like crazy by jimin, apt by rose and Bruno Mars, cupid by  FIFTY FIFTY, can't stop me by twice or something from newjeans <3

53, tell me your unpopular kpop opinion : this may not even be unpopular but I really dont like how strict everyone and everything is like the fact that idols get shamed (even to the point where they have to leave their group) for smoking or dating or expressing simple opinions is beyond me like walking on egg shells. its so stupid to me bc do people think they are angles , they are just playing along. whenever 'fans' get disappointed about a certain kpop idol, its not the idol's fault, they literary put them on a pedestal and view them as some perfect entity its so unhealthy and disturbing. like if an idol is seen in a club, its literally a headline like there are more important issues in the world. also, I wish and pray they just stop with the fan-calls. they just keep getting weirder and its not even fairly distributed like its just rich people going on these calls over and over again. It feels like a humiliation ritual like I wouldn't even do that and I need the money lmao also, I wish they would talk more about how unhealthy some of these kpop idols look like especially female kpop idols. they look so thin but everyone is always like 'omg she looks so pretty' no they look so underweight and the fact that they have so many younger fans just breaks my heart.

I Shant say more but thank you my lovely for these asks 🥰🥰🥰

[electrosquash]

I think with a lot of Visual Kei it's important to make a distinction between genre (as in musical category and history thereof) and scene (as in label environment, the production conditions, the musicians they work with and inspiring each other, the media and festivals and concerts and venues they appear at, fan culture, and such) because Vkei is a music scene without an underlying music genre tying it together, that's what makes it so hard to define musically.

Like yes a bunch of them play straight up dark wave and goth rock and post-punk, but have no points of contact to the goth scene, they're fully embedded in the vkei scene instead so i don't consider them goth. And then others are so very clearly visual, but have barely any contact to the vkei scene and are therefore not - Soft Ballet is in here, they're coming from a New Romantics background iirc.

It's not that easy with Buck-Tick though. Whether they can be considered vkei is muddy at best - very influential of course, but are you part of the scene you helped inspire? Andrew Eldritch would like a word with you.

And the ties to the goth scene are very clearly there. Not only because of Sakurai, Toll is also well connected (just watch his interview with Genet about this very question, even if i have a low opinion of that guy you can't deny Auto-Mod is central to the Japanese goth scene). And probably lots via Imai, though i don't know enough to continue here.

And sure some Buck-Tick albums have the goth sound, but not all. But then again, neither do The Cure.

[ali-crs]

Unpopular opinion but I don't enjoy any of the ships from „life is strange” games.

Max does not seem in any way interested in Warren making their relationship obviously one sided. Even through Warren is theoretically one of romantic options it seems to me that his relationship with Max is pushed solely and exclusively by the player.

As for pricfield, they’re all right ,but that’s it. Chloe puts a lot of pressure on Max and even though you can clearly see that she cares a lot about Max ,some of her behavior is questionable. On the positive side, however, I think their relationship is the most emotional out of all the games and their moments are the most memorable but I don't particularly care for them.

As for the Amberprcie, like it more in theory than in reality. When I heard of their relationship in the first game ,I was thrilled and convinced that they would be my favorite ship out of all. I was wrong. My main issue is that their relationship develops wayy too fast. Bts lasts about 3 days, after not even a whole day of knowing Rachel, Chloe tells her she feels there’s something more than friendship between them. After a few days, Chloe is ready to throw herself out of school for Rachel , despite knowing how important that was for Joyce. At the same time I am able to understand her a little,ever since her father died and Max moved out ,she closed herself off and haven’t got any (close)friends. Rachel was the first person to take an interest in her in a long time, making it easy for her to quickly become attached. Similarly with Rachel ,she didn't have many close friends either. I think their relationship is quite cute, but as I mentioned earlier ,I like them more on paper than in action.

Also I don't see any point in mentioning the other ships, the only ones left are rarepairs, and they generally appeal to me mostly aesthetically so there's no need to dwell on them.

[lys-jeorge]

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[renm]

i’m so so so tired of seeing anything related to taylor swift that isn’t pointing out her shallow excuse of white feminism she uses to avoid criticism, her being a huge polluter, or being a bully towards those who threaten her position as “queen” of pop (as vapid as her craft is.) so so sick of seeing lyrics or “quirky” posts when her writing is worse than some high school poetry. it’s tiring to see her detritus and no amount of blocking or “not interested”-ing i do is enough so i’m frustrated about that mainly

i’m very happy that people can appreciate and relate to the mediocrity her music expresses bc hey not everything has to be some grand statement or deep thinking. and we all like some trash art, who doesn’t, but i’m sick of people acting like it’s more advanced than it is. and i’m also sick of how when people say ANYTHING that isn’t sucking her clit and worshiping her it’s a problem! bc let’s get real, the same people who are up in arms about people disliking her music (not even accounting for the dislike of her as a person since that’s a separate discussion) would hear my music taste and think it’s trash… and that’s ok and i don’t care.

art is for dif people and we don’t need to like the same things. if you can’t even handle the opinions and criticism of a stranger and feel the need to defend an adult billionaire that’s a deficit in your character. accept people won’t like your favs and move on. grow up. bc like… are you stupid? are you that emotionally stunted you can’t handle when someone might dislike someone you personally enjoy? can you handle when people don’t like your favorite foods or shows? or do you throw a hissy fit over that too

and the fact i need to even give this caveat of “well, if you don’t mind or make a big deal when people dislike her music or her as a person and think it’s good to criticize celebrities,” then obvi this isn’t about you. and if you feel the need to reply to this and say BUT! BUT! YOU DONT GET IT– then i am talking about you and i would love nothing more than to block you and promptly forget you exist in 10 mins. of course, this is my opinion and has no impact on your life so if that is too much to handle, idk write about it in your journal

[akookminsupporter]

Kpop is just an industry not genre. They release songs in different genres.. especially BTS have a wide variety of genres.

For me, I know many kpop groups... know as in just know their names. And some of the very popular members. I listen to kpop songs I vibe with.. but that doesn't mean I stan them or even take an effort to atleast checkout who are the members. Maybe it's one song I like or maybe it's many of their title songs. For eg. Seventeen. I like their 'SUPER' but I can only identify few members of that group. But for TWICE I know most of their title songs and knows members too but except watching their performances like watching a pretty performance I don't have any other connection with members. I don't listen to any groups regularly nor watch any of their vareity contents.

Mostly because even after listening to their songs none of them were intresting enough to check out more about them... It's not that I'm purposefully doing it lol...but just that they don't intrest me much. Now even if I watch some variety contents, in my mind I automatically compare them to bangtan shows because wow the difference is so clear just like the difference in year end shows we watched 🥲💀

Yesterday I watched a skz code episode of straykids with my sister who's a stay. Ik many people enjoy it.. but for me it felt wayyyy to dry and scripted. For eg. They were at a country side for a break, cooking and camping. Now what have we watched in Bon voyage countryside episode? Them wearing minimal or even no makeup, wearing regular clothes suitable for cold climate, each doing their own jobs and cooking delicious looking meals. That's what we've been watching all these years... our standard. And what I saw here ? 8 boys who are styled like they are about to perform on stage with pretty jewelery and designer clothing. Playing football or volleyball to decide who will do each job and cooked some plain af food.. I'm not even exaggerating when I say that chicken was plain af 😭. It was like a cultural shock for me who watched JK taking a lot effort to cook sauces or Tae waking up with drool on his chin or Jimin wearing his puffy jacket and beanie.

So yeah.. till now only bangtan broke that artist vs casual listener barrier for me. They are the most rich, most successful artists in kpop but my broke ass can only relate to them 😭🤡 I can't relate to an idol who's looking like he's on stage to perform while doing a simple live when here I'm seeing JK's 4 hours kinda live.

I agree that it's an industry, but it's also a genre, think about it. Although it's true that K-pop is a blend of many genres, influences, and sounds, there's something intrinsic to them, and indeed, that's one of the differences between BTS and many of their peers, which is why many consider BTS in a different category, and some are even bolder in considering them an entirely different genre, at least compared to their peers in Korea.

When you're so immersed in this, as many of us are, it's normal to learn about the industry, which means learning the names of other groups. I can mention the names of many groups, but I couldn't identify a specific member, much less one of their songs, even if I've heard one of their songs before.

The point is, it's not that we don't believe these other groups are talented or don't have good songs; the issue is that what they have doesn't interest us. And it's not that we don't want to give them a chance; it's that what we've seen hasn't been enough to want to give them one. That's not our problem.

I understand regarding variety content. It has happened to me too; on TikTok, several times I've seen clips that are funny and catch a bit of my attention, but when I look for the full video, I get bored after the first minute, and like you, I can't help but make comparisons with BTS's variety content. Is it fair? I don't know, but that's what ends up happening.

For most of the fandom, the most important thing is the music, the connection to BTS's music, but it's also them. It's the sincerity in their words when talking about the fandom. It's everything they've done for their fandom. It's the fact that, to some extent, they've always been honest with us and have shown us their true selves. And being a bit cynical, it's the fact that they've organically known how to nurture the social relationship the fandom has with them.

[1dhq]

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[windi04]

Things in kpop that made me go from stan to a casual listener

Fanwars

do I even need to explain?

Double Standards

This is just a random pic, but you get what I’m talking about. Whether be it dating, immodesty, revealing clothes… sometimes some people get to experience it differently.

Overhating

I hope everyone knows what I’m talking about here. Yes, sometimes idols act in ways that aren’t necessarily ordinary, but that doesn’t mean you get to ruin their careers and their lives.

Overhyping

Now I know I’m going to be attacked, but I have to say this: there are rookies that are sharper and better at performing, which is their main job. Obviously there are bigger, more overrated artists out there so don’t think I’m hating LE SSERAFIM, I just needed a photo.

Favouritism

Ok, I decided to not upload a pic because, well, I haven’t been that up to date on kpop news to point fingers at an oddly specific someone. But there are so many examples that you can take for this, so pick one for yourself. But favouritism exists, and idk what we can do about it, we are powerless on our end when it’s the company that displays it.

Shipping

The amount of edits and posts that I had to go through to find a decent image is insane. Sometimes I just wish an idol would speak up and confirm that one of the ships is true, so that the other delulu shippers can shut up (as long as the succeeding shippers won’t rub their success in other people’s faces).

That’s about everything that comes to my mind right now. For the moment, my interactions with kpop is largely limited to my Spotify playlists, and certain criticisms that I make out here at random moments. Was there anything that I missed?

[justaholeinmysoul]

Sometimes I think that a lot of normalised bs and a lot of shaming discourse is instilled via internet and media from America to the world youth now more than ever. A non problem becomes one, an issue is suddenly no more. It's true brainwash and it comes from thinking you're inferior to them and guilt. Stop asking them to educate you, listen and then use your brain and values, there's nothing far winged in them, it's OK.

[94erz]

“HYBE listened to all ARMY complaints and fixed everything for Jimin, we won”

Literally fuck off. I cannot stand Twitter ARMY what a bunch of assholes. If that’s true, which it’s not, then why didn’t ARMY speak out more for the last 3 releases? Oh right, because they thought it was perfect. It was perfect for j-hope until Jin, then it was perfect for Jin until it was Namjoon, then it was perfect for Namjoon until it’s Jimin...so on and so forth as “they learn” to do better and “take fan feedback”. And then they’re all like “well there’s next time, now we know it could have been better”. Again, absolutely fuck off, because they’ve been doing rollouts for albums for BTS for a decade already, they knew how to do it correctly from the start. 

Also HYBE does not give a single fuck about fan feedback LMFAO what kind of delusional thinking is that? If HYBE gave a fuck about consumer feedback prices would not be getting higher, they would fix the S+H issues, they would not be releasing so much content one after the other in blatant cash grabs, and just so many others things that could be a LOT better if they cared about consumers. HYBE is a corporation existing in late stage capitalism, they do not give a fuck about fans.

[kpoptrash7]

The most honest and savage reactions to Kpop opinions