#bruce is my muse rn
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(mostly) bruce doodles ft. dick and clark
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the gays(literally): hannibal, joel, cleon, bruce, clint
the queers: everyone else
#ahoy! i'll be your captain; ooc#btw my joel and bruce are trans so ya know#🤙🏻#no body is straight on this blog but a LOT of them are bi#if not most of them#i’ll get to replies tonight i just have no brain power rn#i ate his liver with some fava beans and a nice chianti ★ hannibal lecter#keep going and find something to fight ★ joel miller#just a younger grape from the same old vine ★ cleon the 13th#someone has to do it and he's insane enough ★ bruce wayne#just a man his dog and some pizza ★ clint barton#i have a lot of trans muses like 50% of em#if you don’t like that then i’m not the blog for you
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feeling torn re: my bruce portrayal cause on one hand there is the batman that i love as an active critique of brutality and vigilantism thin blue line rhetoric repackaged in a bat costume and a man who learned better kind of narrative over time but then on the other hand there is batman unburied bruce who would not fucking say any of that <3
#out.#cause like they cannot exist in the same space in my head they are entirely different people#2022 and arkham based bruce is antithetical to unburied bruce and idk which one i would wanna write </3#cause like. the former is kind of integral to my dick and jason's bg considering#less dick but definitely jason since he IS arkham based#cause like. bruce not killing joker is easy across the board but the level in which my jason Hates bruce#depends heavily on bruce's entire shtick as this savior to gotham who loves dishing out violence but refuses to commit to it#fancies himself a hero who never kills while finding in perfectly acceptable to like. maim human beings lol#and who fancies himself one of the GoodTM rich guys while at the same time wasting millions on tech and new batmobiles and suits etc#idk. which. i do like! cause irl batman as this famous superhero figure literally everyone on planet earth knows about lol#i like critiquing what he stands for while believing in his ability to change legitimately#like bruce's whole thing is learning from the people around him for the better#BUT........ UNBURIED BRUCE......#is so. so good and i need to write him like now now immediately#and i also feel more confident to write him? idk </3#like if i write unburied bruce he will exist on a different plain that the rest of my muses#like. threads with them will not be within the same canon as the threads w bruce#cause their makeup is just wrapped too tightly in an entirely different batman#idk what to do!!!!!! rah..... unburied brainrot taking me apart piece by piece rn#girl help
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Apropos of nothing but I appreciate yall sticking around through these past few months of non stop ooc shit posting lmao
#;ooc tag#Idk like I said I might pick up a slow low energy muse in the future#Or maybe Bruce's new solo will breathe new life to me#But I appreciate yall being here and still engaging with my shit posts n stuff#Also unrelated but listening to this one batman audio drama rn and lance Reddick as Thomas Wayne is INSPIRED
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today's batmom thot of the day is:
Bruce's secret stash of your 𝙣𝙪𝙙𝙚 polaroids!
warnings: smut obv (minors DNI!), thirsty!Bruce is thirsty for his wife <;3
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Nobody loves you more than your husband. Anyone to claim otherwise, be it his children, Alfred or even your own staff (which were basically teenagers who now sees you as their mother, at this point), well, that'll only happen when hell freezes over.
The problem is? The man is always busy, as a renowned business by day and a renowned vigilante by night. So, he can't always spend time with you as much as he hopes for. So, naturally, when he's graced with the opportunity to be with you, no doubt he uses it like it's his last day on Earth.
But when he can't?
His nude polaroids of you are his saving grace.
You see that gif up there? That's him sneaking glances at those photos at any given time.
I've actually mentioned this fact in one of my drabbles! One of his favourite ones is kept in his wallet, stashed in the same slot behind your cafe's business card—if in any case his kids have his wallet for whatever reason, the last place they'd investigate is your card.
Or at least, he could only hope none of them ever stumble upon it.
If not, he knew you'd never let him keep another one. It's happened before, and he was lucky enough to find it.
But, was it worth traumatizing his father figure, who was unlucky enough to have found it?
What was it, you might ask?
It was during your honeymoon in Japan, your hotel room overlooking the city at night. He had on you the bed, his thumb nestled in your lips as he bottomed out. The spurt of cum trailing from your cunt up to your pretty glossy lips. The pure bliss on your face as you take his hard cock and oh, it never fails to make his blood run hot.
"Messy girl." He tutted with a sly smile, cooing at the mix of your drool and his cum coating his fingers. The magnificent view of the Tokyo Tower plus the skyscrapers surrounding it was an added benefit; a variety of neon lightly illuminating your room, enough for Bruce to see you in your glory.
He already took a good nine or ten photos of you on his phone before tossing it aside with your polaroid camera, where he's also used it on you for another three, one of which will definitely be his number one. For now, he wanted no interruptions, and loomed over you, the dangerous look in his eyes barely hidden behind his wet hair made it clear that he was beyond done with you. It wasn't until you whimpered and rolled against his hips that the look he had was accompanied by a smirk, knowing that you needed him as much as he needed you.
Yes, that honeymoon had to be one of the best ones he's ever had, and he's been to plenty with you.
The point is, his family has had enough trauma, for they've witnessed their fair share of 'unspeakable events' in the past regarding the two of you, be it in the bedroom, some gala, your cafe's storeroom.
But that's besides the point.
We've only talked about one of his utmost favourite polaroids, so you can bet your ass that he has more than just one! Those other favourites are stashed in the bedside table, his office desk, both in the mansion and his company, the Batcomputer's drawer, and the Batmobile. All of which were locked for his own use, of course.
He probably has at least 20, and counting, even, for your husband is not only a pleaser in bed, but an artistic one, as well. His muse? You, duh. Whether it's a polaroid of you in his oversized dress shirt only or nothing at all, these keepsakes are far more valuable than any art piece in any prestigious galleries. Better yet, they're priceless, for they belong to him and and him only.
a reupload. dumblr really testing me. going back to my IRL responsibilities cuz shit is crazy rn see yall in a few months tho <3 /j
#no i will not make a fic about it#but we can def talk more about it <3#— reve's reverie 🌹#a mother's touch series#batmom#batmom reader#batfam#batfam x batmom#batfam x reader#bruce wayne#bruce wayne x reader#bruce wayne x you#bruce wayne x batmom#batman x reader#batman x you#batman x batmom#batman#dc x reader
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BRIDGERTON STARTER CALL!!
i'm living my best regency life rn so like this for a randomised starter from one of these muses. connections will likely be pre established and shipping may occur. only like this if you're okay with that.
muses are below... some are canon, others have their own verses.
Alice Crawley / sister of Earl Grantham, ages with Francesca.
Anne Boleyn / loyal lady in waiting to the Queen.
Anthony Bridgerton / canon.
Arthur Fitz-Clarence / newly inherited Duke of Oxford.
Catherine Gordon / Countess of Huntly in her own right, Scottish.
Daphne Bridgerton / canon.
Henry Talbot / father is a member of parliament, nephew of Dowager Baroness Shackleton.
Richard, Duke of Gloucester / nephew of the King.
Robert Bruce / King of Scotland, godson of the Queen.
Sherlock Holmes / advisor for the royal family.
Thomas Barrow / Butler for the Bridgertons.
#indie bridgerton rp#indie period rp#indie period drama rp#indie history rp#indie historical rp#👑 𝐎𝐎𝐂 ——— starter call.
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I’m so excited about Christmas requests now. Wow.
Can I request Bruce and batmom Christmas shopping g for the boys? My girl needs some fluff rn
Bruce hired you to pretend to be a mother to Dick. What he didn't expect, he reflected, as he watched you deliberate about toys, was for you to be... kinda good at it.
He expected eye rolls and boredom when he suggested you come with him to do some Christmas shopping. What he got was your eyes lighting up and his "wife" bouncing along next to him looking absolutely thrilled.
"What do you think?" you ask Bruce, tilting your head all the way back to look up at him where he stood behind you.
"I think he'll like either one, honestly," Bruce said, looking down at you, bending to kiss your forehead. You make a soft thoughtful noise and decide to just get him both. "I didn't think you'd like this so much," Bruce hummed, taking your arm.
"I've never bought Christmas presents before," you shrug. "Not really."
"But-"
You shrug and smile a little. Your public way of telling him, "Spy things, y'know?"
Bruce watches as you hand your selections to the cashier, keeping his features carefully arranged to be the fond exasperation of a doting husband- but really. He'd never considered that this was 'new'. That you really were delighted. Just to have the illusion of a happy family for a while. "All this shopping for everyone else today," Bruce rumbled, putting an arm around your waist as you waited for things to be wrapped, "and you haven't told me a single thing you want."
"I hadn't thought about it," you answer. And it's a genuine note of surprise in your voice. Like you'd never considered wanting something for Christmas.
"Honey," The Cashier said grinning at him, "Diamonds. You can never go wrong with diamonds."
"Hmm," Bruce mused, playing his part. The doting husband with a pretty new wife. "Maybe," he mused. "But I think she'd look absolutely breathtaking in garnets."
And when you look up at him, quirking an eyebrow, warning him to watch it, his smirk is genuine. "Red's your color, sweetheart."
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fuck marry kill, dick jason bruce
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fuck u.
marry bruce. sweet sweet wayne money. fave of all time
i feel like i have to fuck dick bcos i’ve loved him longer than i’ve loved jason and jason’s prolly just my passing fascination as a muse rn so fuck dick
kill jason. he’d thank me for it prolly
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Im just soso obsessed with figuring out tim as a character rn i cant stop thinking abt it (ive always been a jason todd girlie but i read ur fic and that angsty twink latched onto me and refuses to let go)
I think u have a pretty good hold of him, especially bc in present comics writers are so intent on elevating tim in spite of other characters (barbara and her hacking skills for example, or any comparison made btw him and any robin, really) that most portrayals of him are so boring it makes me cry, while you on the other hand took the approach to write about his flaws (which are MANY) while still making him charming and handsome (he is so... !!!!)
To me flaws are also tied to not only the good traits of characters but also their core beliefs and ideals so what can you say abt tim?
I know he can be stupidly arrogant and patronizing at times, that he's always idolized the position and legacy of robin and constantly fights his insecurities with this role and his abilities for the job, that he can also be incredibly selfish or outright mean when it comes to being mindful of other people's feelings for the sake of logic (re when he didnt tell tam abt his dad not being actually dead), but at the same time i cant figure out exactly what he wants to do with his role as robin (or red robin) or why he would want to keep going when his main goals first were just making sure bruce wouldnt go down a dark path, im pretty sure he mentioned not being a vigilante forever but his actual goals remain unclear to me
(Im in the midst of reading his solo robin run but ive read red robin so give me a little room for this, you are definitely free to talk abt more of his comics bc i havent read everything yet and everything im saying should be taken with a grain of salt, video essays and the issues ive read can only get me so far)
He could have gained an inherent desire to help people after all his time as robin and the so fucked up shit that happened to him, maybe as a ways to channel his grief (much like dick and jason and bruce, im thinking abt identity crisis here) after he isnt "needed" as robin anymore, but at the same time that would be so tragic because he was supposed to be different to them, he was supposed to remark the importance of robin's role in helping be "batman's light" and not becoming like batman himself, its just so interesting and im still trying to really understand the extent of his character so id just. Love to get ur thoughts and musings on what fuels tim as a character and how you see him
(I dont have this problem with jason bc his moral conflict is very crystal clear to me and also so freaking juicy, his actions are logical and so understable, granted he also hasnt had as much screentime as tim and i can see when writers just Dont Get Him, misunderstanding the original intent of his character coming back etc etc etc, tim has grown and evolved throughout his tim as robin so this might factor in too)
Anyways sorry for the long post i hope this is alright !!! Loved ur fic to bits and ur writing is a blessing mwah
okay HI i am not exaggerating when i say that i have been thinking about this ask since you sent it HAHA tim is just a parasite in my brain he won't let go...
that's the funny thing about portrayals of him today... i feel like people want to elevate him as a potential batman or a character closest to bruce in terms of intelligence and detective skills, which isn't true at all, i think (because, exactly, you have babs Right There), and of course, narratively, this is all a good thing (this post covers it well, i think). it's in the same vein of people making tim out as the most dangerous person in the batfam, should he ever chose to go down the path, which i can partially blame red robin (2009) for with this panel....
(and i don't think that's true either. he has the potential to be dangerous just like any of the others but i think the ones to really be scared of are babs, dick, and cass but ANYWAY)
in general, red robin 2009 was a bumpy time for tim with bruce's death and his spiraling, but it seemed to really inform what they were going to do with his character. no more time for the civilian life, committing himself much more thoroughly to The Mission like bruce. which is, if you ask me, a negative progression of his character, which isn't bad, exactly, in terms of storytelling, but it feels like all we get are the 'good parts' now -- the intelligence, the status, the resources, and then we don't get to grapple with the consequences.
there were some in red robin 2009 but it was more tim accepting them and making no move to change his actions, which is fine, but now... idk. but i also don't touch modern comics with a ten foot pole so this could just be. Wrong. but that seems like what's going on. so i feel like that's where people get the idea of him being... idk not the Perfect Robin exactly but. you know?
no no yeah i totally agree!
re (because i want to break this down i'm telling you i have Been Thinking About This): at the same time i cant figure out exactly what he wants to do with his role as robin (or red robin) or why he would want to keep going when his main goals first were just making sure bruce wouldnt go down a dark path, im pretty sure he mentioned not being a vigilante forever but his actual goals remain unclear to me
exactly this. he did say that and i've reblogged this at some point i think, showing a panel from robin 1993 where he mentioned he wouldn't be a vigilante forever, then paralleled with that panel i put in earlier from red robin 2009. (there's this post, which touches on another thing about tim trying to set himself apart as having friends and thus not being bruce LOL which is another topic entirely)
i think that was what red robin 2009 was - a negative progression of his character, one that, again, we never really grapple with, especially as dc shoves robin back onto him now.
his motivations are an interesting thing to me, because he did start out coincidentally, saying batman needed a robin but he didn't assume he'd be that robin, it just kind of happened because he was there (well much more went into it but you know?).
but aside from that, i've never gotten the impression tim really does it for people. i mean batman in general has been about the detective work but i think towards the 80s/90s/00s there was a shift to focusing on the people but tim has never really struck me as a hero of the people. he's more about fighting crime than he is about helping people. i think it is partially informed by the genre - re detective comics, etc - but still. he's not like, say, peter parker/spider-man, who is a hero of the people, of the working class. the people are inherent to him as spider-man. tim does it out of duty and responsibility i think, being the light to batman's dark, of course, but he's also very much a teenage boy about being robin - the cool factor, pointedly mentioning he wants to let off steam by knocking around 'criminals' that kind of thing
which doesn't mean he's unfit for it but he operates in an odd grey area as far as his motivation goes, which i think is where we get red robin? he was defined by being robin and he did his job, then he got the boot. so it is very much an identity crisis but we're seeing that negative change as he changes for the worse, for something darker. i mean, yes, red robin 2009 was again bumpy because he was at a very low point in his life but in general, that run was dark for him.
editorial wise, we'd never get to see what they made of it because they did the reboot and started new-52 a few years after. but whether he'd continue being red robin/going down this path, or if he'd shed the identity and go for something lighter... it's hard to say.
i kind of like the thought that he'd change his identity and try to take a lighter approach, try to pull himself from bruce's influence, though with how it's all set it up, it seems fated that he'd end up there. there was red robin 2009, but then there was his sixteenth birthday incident (which sounds bad here and i'd read this before reading it myself but god when i read it it pissed me off so bad... really what turned me off bruce as a 'good' father figure, i can't lie). he ultimately ends up going back and becoming robin and this is the turning point for him where he agrees to enter this mindset that bruce wants him to be in. (this post talks mainly about timsteph but it is also a point to the end about the shift in his character and how that affected his relationships as well)
i mean i know red robin 2009 is marked by the grief of bruce's 'death' and a bunch of other Very Bad Shit but even when we got past that and he had his little 'Let me let in the people who love me because i am Not batman' he then proceeded to go a little surveillance crazy and make a hit list (something like that, it's been a while..) but. yeah.
ultimately, at the core of his character, i think he is good and compassionate and kind, so, even aside from all that (like the birthday incident), i think he would've made his way there eventually. it could maybe be why we see him returning to robin, if we wanted to try and pretend dc making him be robin is a completely normal and logical decision that they actually thought through. like a way to return to the bases and feel it out from there. though i still think they could've just. idk. given him a BREAK from vigilantism to figure it out. i'm a big proponent of civilians and their place amongst vigilantes and superheroes and i feel like tim's due a break, which is why i put that stuff in my fics. i do want to see him step back and try to figure out his life, because at one point, though robin 1993 was arguably defined by the balance between robin and tim drake and had plenty of civilian friends to keep things interesting, we don't see much as far as what he wants to do. which i suppose could be part of his relatability factor that tim drake, the character, was conceived with
but idk at this point they have to give us something 😭 anyway. this got VERY long i am very sorry.. i don't mind long asks either but i might've overshot my response... alas. i also hope i more or less answered your question??? if not feel free to slide back in here and talk to me! i rambled a bit here and it's like. 3am rn i'm scheduling this to post because i wanted to get it all written Now and. yeah.
thank you SO much very happy to hear you're enjoying everything <333 hope you continue to enjoy :**
#also thank YOU for all your thoughts?? like i said i was Thinkign About This#and i had posts in mind for it and yeah. yeah. i was thinking about it all week HAHA#but also like twin brain moment because you get him <3 he is charming and handsome but he also has SOOOO many flaws and is actually rlly#annoying and puts his foot in his mouth TOO MUCH#so. YEAH. sorry this is long don't feel obligated to respond to All Of This <3 but if you have any q's feel free to ask <3#inbox#long post
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get to know the author!
name : gold, unless we're close enough for u to get my discord and then you get my Actual Name #StaySafeKids
pronouns : generally people use she/her or they/them for me
preference of communication : tumblr ims (usually i send a text wall of plot ideas to new mutuals) and then discord if we get chatty :3c
most active muse : rn daniels, eun yoo, and bruce. overall it changes a lot though
experience / how many years : making us show our age are we, huh? i started rp'ing in 2007 over text with my friends . that's where i was at . i started rp'ing on tumblr in probably 2008?
best experience : on my cheesy shit but i've met some really good friends on tumblr who love me not despite of but bc of my horrifically cringe sensibilities. ive literally flown out to friends from tumblr/flown them to me like 6 or 7 times :3c
rp pet peeves : when people get like really entitled to your writing. badgering others for replying slowly/shorter than u want like someone is making u rp with that person is wild. my other big one is when people disrespect other muses and their capabilities to make their own muses feel cooler (except disrespect jim he's a piece of shit loser --)
fluff, angst, or smut : im an angst lover first and a human being second. i love psychological horror/terror above all else. fluff is nice for a lil detox or to make the angst hit harder. i almost never write smut, ive literally only done so on this blog twice and its over 5 years old lol
plots or memes : i prefer to plot at first so we go into with ideas, then when we both have a pretty solid idea of the type of shit our muses get up to and how they interact memes are very fun! i especially like memes that are like flashes forwards from current plots in threads to get us more hyped for hitting that point
long or short replies : it literally takes me so long to do short replies because i have to go back and cut things out. im a verbose woman. i got a lot to say! i like giving my writing partners stuff to work off of, especially non-verbal tells my charas give
time to write : mostly when i am breathing & conscious and not actively doing something with friends/family. neta writing is my biggest hobby, if im not writing on here im probably writing just random stuff on my own
are you like your muses : i have at least 1 projected trait per muse. usually more tbh. how many varies between muse, but if you notice themes of "lgbt and has adhd" you might onto something,
tagged by: the wonderful @mutatedangels
tagging: @fasciinating @manneatcr
#q#❝ oh wow it facts about me ❞ | it mun about#i decided i wanted mun icons so i drew myself in my fastest style aksjdhkajsdf
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𝐑𝐎𝐋𝐄𝐏𝐋𝐀𝐘 𝐇𝐈𝐒𝐓𝐎𝐑𝐘 !!
the rules are simple! post characters you’d like to roleplay as, have roleplayed as, and might bring back, then tag people to do the same!
CURRENT MUSE(S): ➥ muses I'm writing on tumblr currently only so ashton, luanne ( @unbaptism ) and keegan ( @ofghostwritings ) , my ocs
WANT TO WRITE: ➥ dick grayson (young justice) mostly rn, probably a few others i can't think of rn
HAVE WRITTEN: ➥ connor (d:bh), steve rogers, peeta mellark, eddie diaz (911), edward cullen, bruce wayne (the batman), countless others, so many ocs
WOULD WRITE AGAIN: ➥ eddie diaz, tk strand, jesse pinkman, most muses I've written
tagged by: i stole this from @afterdeaths
tagging: whoever wants to !!!!
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Oh. Oh don't try me.
Randy: Teenage Dirtbag by (i gen forgot who) (even if hes kinda stinky and def not a teenager,) Scrawny by The Wallows, Shit by Bo Burnham, It's just sex by carseat headrest, Please Never Fall In-Love Again by Feyseal & Ollie N (???? it might work), Manic - Conan Grey, Wish You were Sober - Conan Gray (again)
Oliver: Honeypie - JAWNY, What You Know - Two Door Cinema Club (haha ironic), Everybody Talks - Neon Trees, Sweet Bod - Lemmon Demon, I/Me/Myself - Will Wood, Vending Machine of Love - The Stipendium, Put On Your Sunday Clothes - (wayy too many ppl to credit, but the cover: it should be in red hues!!), Hey Lover! - Wabie cover, What The World Needs - Ride The cyclone (maybe???), Good Old-Fashioned Loverboy - Queen, Dance, Baby! - Boy Pablo, City Never Sleeps - Tourism
Norm: American Anthem (there should be a ver w gunshots and like eagle sounds), To My Enemies - Saint Motel, I'm Gonna Win - Rob Cantor, Born in the USA - Bruce Springsteen, Supermassive Black hole - Muse (if you think abt it maybe), Never Wanna Fall In-love With You - nelward
Karen: legit any mitski song im not even kidding, I haven't seen or played Karen's route yet! (I'm saving up for the game rn)
annd theres a bunch more, but im scared im being a bit ooc with these so please, feel free to edit it!! It's just suggestions, after all :) Don't feel pressured to read through the whole thing, btw, ik its a lot :,) but again, I'm pretty rusty and need to watch the routes again soooo... yeah </3
Dialtown Tumblr I am in need of assistance.
I want to make character Playlists, right? But I also don't want to mischaracterize them at all. I've started on a Phonegingi, Randy, and Oliver Playlist. I still need to start on Karen, Norm, and Bigfoot. Any suggestions for songs?
#dialtown#randy jade#oliver swift#karen dunn#norm dialtown#bigfoot dialtown#dialtown oliver#dialtown randy#dialtown gingi#phonegingi#music suggestions#music stuff#music shit#songblr#musicblr
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I have been renovating my bedroom and half of the living room and the entrance and today finally I'm done so I can get back to writing :)
#I'm very very happy with what I have rn :)#like the whole space feels so shiny even though you know is old#and I deep cleaned the fuck out of everything!!!!#fall cleaning woo change of seasons woo#anyway i wanna start with the layla drabble that has occupied my head and maybe have it today#and then i wanna see if I can attempt to write about jack russell because pretty boy has my heart#aaaaand then i should do the bruce sex tape mayhaps tommorrow cause is the oldest request currently#lets' seeeeeee#selene's musings
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Okay guys I'm writing the scripts for the Batman podcast.
So the first few episodes are gonna be covering the essentials. Episode 1 is the very first appearance of Batman back all the way in Detective Comics #27. Episode after that is going to be the creation/publication history of Batman and the Kane v Finger ordeal. Third episode will be going over all the members of the Bat Family. The next two episodes after that are gonna talk about the Rogues Gallery and Gotham City/the Batcave/Wayne Industries/other essential locations, gadgets, etc. I'm just debating which order to do them in, but will probably do the Rogues Gallery after the Batfamily episode.
Episodes after that are gonna be all about various appearances in shows and movies, the webcomics, different storylines, probably more indepth videos about characters or essentials (the Gotham City and such episode will be basic rundowns to introduce the topics for newer fans!).
I'm also planning on doing a very long podcast essay on Jasons era as Robin leading up to A Death In The Family, the best himbo Bruce Wayne moments that solidify that he is one, going in depth on Dukes powers, That Batman Scandal and other Raunchy Batfamily moments that are frankly hilarious, and more!
I'm also gonna absolutely take suggestions on topics to discuss as well!
#kenz musings#batman#batfamily#bruce wayne#dc comics#also bear with me#i uh#im not gonna have high quality equipment or a fancy setup#i don't really have the funds for that rn#i got a recording app on my phone that has really good quality audio and its what im gonna rock with 😂
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i don’t have a promo yet bc i am a chaotic mess but go follow my multi muse over on @pcrfectstorms and support my brand, thank you love you bye.
#→ bro i'm so confused ( ooc )#it's a small selection atm i might add more down the line but rn it's my fave old muses#plus bruce wayne for indi lmao
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