#breastfeeding or have

[lonicera-caprifolium]

some nursing for @ineffablefamfeb 💕💕💕

[dresshistorynerd]

I've seen a post you've reblogged and added to, among many things about women showing nipples. Can you recommend any ref material (articles, videos, etc.) are share your knowledge about this? Cause I'm curious about that, as nowadays going out in a shirt without a bra makes you indecent, while in like 90s it was okayish? I wonder how it was in previous centuries.

There is a really cool academic paper about bare breast dresses in 17th century England specifically. I think anyone can read it by creating a free account.

Abby Cox also has a good video about the cleavage during the past 500 years in which she goes through also the nip slip phenomena.

I don't have other sources that specifically focus on this subject, though many sources about specific decades touch on it, but I do have my primary source image collection, so I can sum up the history of the bare nipple.

So my findings from primary source images (I could be wrong and maybe I just haven't found earlier examples) is that the Venetians were the first ones to show the nipple for courtly fashion. At the same time in other places in Europe they sported the early Elizabethan no-boob style that completely covered and flattened the chest. In the other corners of Italy the necklines were also low but less extreme. Venetian kirtle necklines dropped extremely low as early as 1560s and they combined extremely sheer, basically see-through partlets with their kirtle. First example below is a 1565-70 portrait of a Venetian lady with the nipples just barely covered waiting slip into view with a movement of arm. There was an even more extreme version of this with the kirtle being literally underboob style, still with a sheer doublet. Though I believe this was not quite for the respectable ladies, since I have only seen it depicted on high class courtesans. They were not exactly respectable ladies, but they did have quite good social position. The second example is a 1570s depiction of a courtesan, which is revealed by the horned hairstyle. By the end of the century this underbust style with only see through fabric covering breasts, had become respectable. In the last example it's shown on the wife of the Venetian doge in 1597.

Around the same time, at the very end of 1500s, the extremely low cut bodice fashion enters rest of Europe. The low cut style was present in the bodices of all classes, but the nipple was really only an aristocrat thing. The lower classes would cover their breasts with a partlet, that was not sheer. Bare breast was ironically from our perspective a show of innocence, youthful beauty and virtue, and to pull off the style with respect, you also had to embody those ideals. Lower class women were considered inherently vulgar and lacking virtue, so a nipple in their case was seen as indecent. Bare boobs were also a sort of status symbol, since the upper class would hire wet nurses to breastfeed their children so they could show of their youthful boobs.

Covering partlets and bodices were still also used in the first decade of 1600s by nobles and the nip slip was mostly reserved for the courtly events. The first image below is an early example of English extremely low neckline that certainly couldn't contain boobs even with a bit of movement from 1597. The 1610s started around 5 decades of fashion that showed the whole boob. The first three were the most extreme. Here's some highlights: The second image is from 1619.

Here the first, very much showing nipples, from c. 1630. The second from 1632.

The neckline would slowly and slightly rise during the next decades, but nip slips were still expected. Here's an example from 1649 and then from 1650-55. In 1660s the neckline would get still slightly higher and by 1870s it was in a not very slippable hight. The necklines would stay low for the next century, though mostly not in boob showing territory, but we'll get there. But I will say that covering the neckline in casual context was expected. Boobs were mostly for fancy occasions. It was considered vain to show off your boobs when the occasion didn't call for it and covering up during the day was necessary for a respectable lady. You wouldn't want to have tan in your milk-white skin like a poor, and also they didn't have sun screen so burning was a reasonable concern.

1720s to 1740s saw necklines that went to the nip slip territory, though they didn't go quite as low as 100 years earlier. The nipple was present in the French courtly fashion especially and rouging your nipples to enhance them was popular. Émilie Du Châtelet (1706-1749), who was an accomplished physicist and made contributions to Newtonian mechanics, was known in the French court to show off her boobies. An icon. Here she is in 1748. Here's another example from this era from 1728.

The Rococo neckline never got high, but in the middle of the century it was less low till 1770s when it plunged into new lows. In 1770s the fashion reached a saturation point, when everything was the most. This included boobs. The most boob visible. There was a change in the attitudes though. The visible boob was not a scandal, but it was risque, instead of sing of innocent and did cause offense in certain circles. I think it's because of the French revolution values gaining momentum. I talked about this in length in another post, mostly in context of masculinity, but till that point femininity and masculinity had been mostly reserved for the aristocracy. Gender performance was mostly performance of wealth. The revolutionaries constructed new masculinity and femininity, which laid the groundwork for the modern gender, in opposition to the aristocracy and their decadence. The new femininity was decent, moral and motherly, an early version of the Victorian angel of the house. The boob was present in the revolutionary imagery, but in an abstract presentation. I can't say for sure, but I think bare breasts became indecent because it was specifically fashion of the indecent French aristocracy.

Here's example somewhere from the decade and another from 1778. The neckline stayed quite low for the 1780s, but rose to cover the boobs for the 1790s.

The nipple didn't stay hidden for long but made a quick comeback in the Regency evening fashion. It was somewhat scandalous by this point, and the nipple and sheer fabrics of the Regency fashion gained much scorn and satire. The styles that were in the high danger nip slip territory and those that allowed the nipple to show through fabric, were still quite popular. The sleeves had been mid length for two centuries, but in 1790s they had made a split between evening and day wear. The evening sleeves were tiny, just covering the shoulder. Showing that would have been a little too much. Like a bare boob? A risque choice but fine. A shoulder? Straight to the horny jail. (I'm joking they did have sheer sleeves and sometimes portraits with exposed shoulder.) But long sleeves became the standard part of the day wear. Getting sun was still not acceptable for the same reasonable and unreasonable reasons. Day dresses did also usually have higher necklines or were at least worn with a chemisette to cover the neckline. Fine Indian muslin was a huge trend. It was extremely sheer and used in multiple layers to build up some cover. There were claims that a gust of wind would render the ladies practically naked, though because they were wearing their underclothing including a shift, which certainly wasn't made from the very expensive muslin, I'm guessing this was an exaggeration. Especially though in the first decade, short underboob stays were fairly popular, so combined with a muslin, nipples were seen. Here's an early 1798 example of exactly that. The short stays did disappear eventually, but in 1810s the extremely small bodices did provide nip slip opportunities, as seen in this 1811 fashion plate.

Victorian moralizing did fully kill the nip slip, though at least they were gender neutral about it. The male nipple was just as offensive to them. In 1890s, when bodybuilding became a big thing, bodybuilder men were arrested for public indecency for not wearing a shirt.

[rabbits-of-negative-euphoria]

every time I think pro-choicers' arguments are getting more sophisticated, someone on facebook proves me wrong

anyways, in honor of this monotonous occasion, remember that one time a pro-choicer said a poor mother with no access to formula should starve her baby rather than breastfeed it?

[spicylotus]

Mac: now that Rumble and Savage are growing up I’m gonna have to start pumping.

Wukong:…

Mac: ?

Wukong: this might sound crazy, but—

Mac: Yes I’ll breast feed you.

[mychlapci]

After careful consideration of the topic, I would like to propose that d-16 should be breastfeeding his children

Maybe they should suck on mommy's titties as they put a new little sibling in mommy's womb. Thoughts?

(I still have not seen tfone btw. Its going to be an interesting experience when I see it next weekend -v3nth)

oh absolutely, absolutely. hgrh, breastfeeding is a must. in the mines, his sparklings were ripped from his breast when they were still young, well now he can let them drink as much and for as long as he wants. and since they're consuming so much dense, mineral rich milk, they're all strong and powerful, his perfect little soldiers… he can easily fuel them up as they put another sibling in him, his titties constantly lactating due to the repeated carrying cycles…

absolutely love that you haven't seen tfone yet and you've already joined in on doing all this fucked up shit to the bots. think of inbreeding as you watch tfone, do it for me

[hyperblue]

This happens when her twins, a boy and a girl, are about 27 weeks old. She sleeps with a small couch spread out and tucked into Jack's old jacket. She wakes up to a strange feeling in her chest.

She opens her eyes with a soft moan, her chest really aches. With children all good - they have enough nutrients, a comfortable temperature and they sleep sweetly close to each other. Marie exhales softly and slightly unbuttons her shirt to slide her hand to her chest. Her breasts feel strange, soft and full, which have become more sensitive and her fingers get dirty with something. Something thick and warm.

She pulls her hand out into the light... it's white, she brings those stained fingers to her nose and sniffs, it smells fresh and milky.

Her sleepy but immaculate memory brain recalls what she learned from uncounted books on pregnancy and child care, she was more focused on children and did not deign to pay attention to things related to the mother at all.

She ignored her glowing skin, her stronger nails, the improvement in the quality of her hair, she just hammered the bolt on it... Marie made a note to herself that baby formula would not be useful to her, and a breast pump, creams and balms for her breasts, maybe even several sets of a pair of special clothes - very likely.

come morning, she's delighted at the knowledge of her body changing, of her being able to give them that, too — everything she can provide for her kids, she will give. and it's not just for them, it's for her, too; for her, it's the connection that comes from holding her children close and feeding them from her body, the feeling that has no comparison to anything else in the world, really

[a-killer-obsession]

Thinkin about how when you're close to the end of a pregnancy your skin increases the pigments that cause freckles and your nipples get really fuckin dark. Its supposed to be so theres more contrast so newborns can find the nipples better with their limited eyesight but they basically go the colour of your freckles, so like for me i have quite dark freckles so i had quite dark nips. But that got me thinkin... Yin had purple freckles. So would her nipples be purple??? 👀

[ursulaklegay]

ppl will be talking about green flags in cis men but the REALEST green flag is the boyfriend of one of my friends who, when they had their child, took hormones because he wanted to lactate and help breastfeed the baby. #feminism

[femboycharles]

Someone needs to put Charles on birth control before he adopts the whole grid I swear to god

[dollya-robinprotector]

screw robin's crossdressing or punishment questlines, where's the breastfeeding questline

Why you asking me thou I'm desperately waitting for it to happen too

[talaricula]

My wife to our son last night: "and now you sleep or I'm selling you to One Direction"

[nemonclature]

I love how charged surnames tags are in this fandom like no sorry she is Louis sister and I will tag her as such. Or (the hill I will die on) he's the vampire Armand, Armand or Armand de nothing. get that groomer patronymic away from me.

[active-maggie]

MFW I am convincing myself the weird pain and red spot in my armpit is from being over zealous with the assisted pull-ups and I should not start googling symptoms

[cuppatealove]

My mum's given me a couple of bags of clothes that don't fit her anymore, and I'm a bit annoyed how good they all look on me tbh. I guess it's official: I'm starting to dress like my mother 😩

[downthroat]

🖕

[heyitsjan]

Breastfeeding: it's hard!