#beelz lore

[alpacinoinheat]

if evil, why hot???

[avelera]

OK, so, I have now seen Good Omens Season 2 and had a moment to muster my thoughts after binging it.

SPOILERS below the cut, if that needed saying.

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Let's start with the good.

Loved that Beelz/Gabriel became canon. What can I say? I love stories about immortals falling in love over the course of several meetings at a pub ;)

John Hamm in general was fabulous

I cackled at the fact we were getting an actual fem Aziraphale/Crowley, human coffee shop AU running parallel with the absolute fanficciest of justifications that Aziraphale and Crowley HAD to make them fall in love in order to *mumble mumble* something plot whatever, lol

I loved the bits of lore flashbacks we got about Aziraphale and Crowley first meeting when they were both angels and I found the whole Job encounter overall charming.

I was deeply fascinated by the fact that Crowley consistently performed selfless angelic acts while Aziraphale consistently needed to learn and grow around doing the right thing. Even to the end he remained, for the most part, a good little soldier. Aziraphale thinks the system can be fixed. Crowley "knows" that it can't. Presumably, Crowley is right. More on that later.

Muriel was adorable

Loved that we got the kiss. Also, huge shoutout to the fandom that I genuinely went in unspoiled on that front after the whole trailer debacle. I SUSPECTED based on the reactions that the spoiler was a kiss, but I was able to successfully forget all about it so I genuinely gasped when they kissed.

I'm not really all that bummed by the ending. It's so obviously a "temporary breakup so we come back together stronger" moment so I was largely unbothered. I actually want MORE angst, not less, in fic after that, please and thank you.

Unpopular opinion praise for S2, but I'm glad we didn't get more of The Them, or Madame Tracy (though the recasting of the actress in another role puzzled me?) or Anathema/Newt, or any of the non Aziraphale/Crowley, Heaven/Hell stuff. I found all those plotlines hugely boring and I'm glad the story moved on from them.

Did I mention I adored Gabriel/Beelz? Loved that plotline. Might rewatch that bit again just for that. I SORT of suspected it was happening but was still delighted by the confirmation. I couldn't BELIEVE this minor ship got made canon, but along the way I was sort of side-eying Beelz's reactions through the lens of, "Wait, what if Beelz is WORRIED for Gabriel?" and it worked very well so I was tentatively *glad* for the shippers who might view it that way and NEVER guessed they'd make it canon this season with more than a few tidbits for those shippers to cling to. Wow. Whole-ass parallel instead of what Aziraphale and Crowley COULD be if they actually 1) communicated and 2) understood each other's values and valued the same things.

Truly, it was a love letter to the fandom I found that to be very sweet as a choice made by Tumblr Girlie Neil Gaiman.

H'ok, now let's get into the negative. To be clear, I enjoyed the season! A lot of room is left to explore stuff in Season 3! And I'm not a deep Good Omens fandom person, I didn't read much fic after S1 dropped, I was more of a book fandom fic person for it. So my level of investment isn't such that I'm *crushed* by any of this, these are just more things I found a bit "meh"?

I really thought we were heading to a side-swap story about Aziraphale and Crowley and I was little bummed it didn't happen, though there's still room for the possibility in S3. The whole "maybe I did the good thing and you did the bad" taken to the max. I really wanted the angst of them finding each other only to end up on opposite sides again and opposite-OPPOSITE sides of where they'd been and been comfortable up to this point. I really wanted to see IMPACT and SUFFERING and DISCOMFORT and... idk, more drama? Than we got?

Like, there were SO MANY references to Crowley being selfless and doing the RIGHT angelic thing while Aziraphale did a lot of HORRIFYING things, including all the mind-fuckery stuff he did around the ball, totally insensitive to the needs and wants of the humans involved, only seeing them as tools, that REALLY made me wonder if we were getting a swap by the end.

The fact we saw SO MANY ominous references to Aziraphale FALLING because he was tempted by Crowley, over and over, because he questioned God, over and over? I thought something would come of that! I thought Crowley would get through to Aziraphale just in time to have Aziraphale fall and for Crowley to do something truly angelic, to have Aziraphale get through to HIM at the same time so they'd swap sides officially, against their will, the same way Crowley never meant to fall. It seemed like falling was something that COULD HAPPEN TO YOU AGAINST YOUR WILL and I wanted REDEMPTION to work the same way, AGAINST Crowley's will. I wanted them to get absolutely FUCKED by the moment they finally got through to each other and swapped philosophies.

So that was a bummer. Could still happen in S3 but...? I'd be a bit surprised at this point given I think it will instead focus on (*sigh*) averting the Apocalypse again.

I thought the pacing was fucking atrocious. There was so much dead time. So many scenes that were simply *not* needed and didn't add anything. So much meandering script with darlings that desperately needed to be killed for the sake of a snappier story. So much that felt like padding. With a better editor and 2 fewer episodes, I think it would have been a much tighter, better, fast paced show.

S2 recalled with a problem I have with Neil's writing in general - he's a short story writer/comic issue writer at heart. I, personally, am a long-form novel writer. Neil is not great at writing novels, he's a novella/anthology/short story person and it shows when he so often, so consistently, fails to pull a long-form story together in a satisfying way (to me, and this is just my subjective opinion).

It shows up in so many ways with how, in my opinion, S2 seemed to flounder with how to fill 6 episodes. The flashback to the Resurrectionist stuff could have been half as long and I found much of the writing pretty awful and cliche in it.

I liked Aziraphale learning that morality is complex, truly, but that was all I really liked of that bit of flashback and it could have been much shorter. I found everything around Elspeth exasperating and on the nose. It was a short story straight out of a random issue of "The Sandman" and sometimes it really feels like Neil has never managed to break out of the same stories, plots, and themes, with a dash of horror as he did from that era. He's always, always, still just writing either 1) fanfic of another person or mythology's work or 2) an original Sandman short stories/issues with no long-form plot. In his defense, they're always COOL and have an interesting VISUAL or IDEA but these stories aren't very... good? Writing? Or rather, he tends to just do the same things over and over again. Nifty idea that don't actually really *gel* into anything more complex than a single storyline?

I felt the same way about the Nazi Zombie plotline. I found that entire story beat EXCEEDINGLY tedious and pointless except to fill airtime, not to mention a bit gross to watch. I found the Magician Aziraphale plotline in general EXCEEDINGLY pointless and tedious to sit through. I thought it added absolutely nothing and was incredibly dull for 99% of the story.

Everything with Shax was exceedingly tedious and boring to me. The fight in the bookshop felt nonsensical and poorly choreographed. That needed to be a 2x speed to feel any sense of peril or urgency at all, and not knowing where it was going, or if anyone was actually really threatened at all just robbed it of any real sense of tension.

There was just... zero sense in general of important stakes in the Shax storyline or really in the season because there was no Apocalypse to build towards, no event that we knew about to worry about.

The world wasn't ending. Shax didn't seem empowered to actually do anything or hurt anyone. They were just a random action plot for... reasons? To make the climax in the bookshop come together so we could have a Jane Austen ball at the same time as 69 demons (heh) invading? There were so many logical leaps there to make that happen and the pacing/editing being garbage just... robbed it of any feeling of importance except as a time waster of a plotline. The actress is great and all but dear lord was that plotline dull.

A lot of the flashbacks in general just felt like... padding. Yes, we got a bit more Aziraphale and Crowley but they never quite... worked for me in those. It was always pointless STUFF they were doing rather than anything that contributed to the plot or even to my sense of them being in love or working towards becoming a couple! They were just... there, a lot of the time, sitting next to each other.

Some of the script pauses were SO BIZARRE. Like as if they'd just written the script and not realized how bloody often Crowley is given NOTHING TO DO in the background so he just... stands there, waiting for his next line, or taking a nap, or observing random stuff. David Tenant in the Resurrectionist bit with all his theatrics felt, again, pointless and tedious but also the best the poor guy could fucking do to fill out this incredibly boring story with any sort of entertainment. Bless them, the actors worked their ASSES off to get some fun and excitement into huge swathes of this script.

Maggie and Nina's relationship was cute but ENTIRELY pulled off by the actresses, the story was again, incredibly tedious and pointless otherwise, as many coffee shop AUs are in my opinion. Their personal charm elevated the material but it all felt like more stalling tactics with a wink-and-a-nod at fic writers, with this entire season was stretched out to justify, presumably, Aziraphale being in Heaven after being promoted to Archangel while Crowley is on Earth and they're fighting.

Quite frankly, if the "real" sequel, which Pratchett co-wrote, just opens with Aziraphale thinking Heaven's shown up to destroy him, only to promote him on the spot, basically the last scene of S2, you actually don't need 99% of this season at all to get there. In fact, it's a pretty fun comedy beat to do quickly. Basically, "Oh shit, the cops!" then "Actually, we're here to promote you!" and boom, we've reached the same spot as we got to after 6 episodes of S2.

Not that I didn't enjoy many of the character moments! But overall, it felt like stalling for time to make it a trilogy series, since only a few plot threads had any longer term importance to anyone who isn't a fanfic-writing super fan who knows what a coffee shop AU is and can giggle over there being one in the actual show.

Basically, it was very lacking in the strengths of the story that I attribute to Terry Pratchett - like the ability to pull a long-form story together, and certain clever turns of phrase.

There were so many lines where there was a pause where it was as IF they were going to say something clever, and then they just... didn't? And the line was just another cliche or a trail-off of someone mumbling "comedically"? That's where I very much felt Pratchett's absence. It indeed felt like half the writing duo was missing in many ways. And I'm not personally... all that convinced of Neil's chops when it comes to long-form stories or romance, two things that this season kinda relied on pulling off right that I was left feeling pretty tepid about after.

Look, overall, I did like it! I'm really excited for how the fandom will run with what happened and make their own stuff with it. I'm very excited for Season 3, whenever we get it, and the return of Terry Pratchett's fingerprints on the story. I think it's going to be great!

It's not that I think my time was wasted so much as I thought places where *I* would have done things differently, which is not a fair criticism of any work. From a technical perspective, really I just think it needed a tighter script or tighter editing, and they just might not have been able to do that if they were contracted for 6 episodes when they only really needed 3. Oh well. Onward and upward!

[bechnokid]

On the note of Gallantmon and Beelzemon, how do you feel about their variants and/or tangentially related Digimon? Like ChaosGallantmon or MedievalGallantmon... or on the other side, Baalmon/the Digimon Fusion version of Beelzemon? Or even BeelStarmon if you wanna get a little bit obscure

ChaosGallantmon: I like him, even if his story makes me a little sad! The idea of Gallantmon getting corrupted/fully embracing his Virus attribute is like perfect angst material, but I also can't see him as anything else but a sweetheart lol. I was also a bit surprised to hear that there is a character in Digimon World Dusk who has him as a partner! Some part of me wants to scold that character for letting him get to that state in the first place. xD 8/10

MedievalGallantmon: Hate the lore, LOVE his design! I didn't think Gallantmon could get any more handsome and boy, was I wrong. I want to draw him and his giant axe someday. I also laughed after learning that his name in one game was poorly translated to "MedicalGallantmon" lmao 100/10

Beelzemon (2010): He's....ok, I guess? I love his wings, but I'm not too fond of all of the armor on him since it kind of takes away from his badass biker vibe. xD 5/10

BeelStarmon: Beelze-boobs! I absolutely adore her design and I think she's really cool. The fact that she and Beelzemon generally don't get along is actually really funny to me. The only thing that annoys me about her design is how gravity doesn't affect her boobs like it should with her underboob and all. One could chalk it up to "It's Digimon, it doesn't have to make sense", but it still irks me! xD 8/10

[thewingedgoat]

LOREEE

Hehe, I thought I'd copy a friend and write down my characters Lore without revealing to much of the story, so enjoyy

Lucifer/The Devil (Genderlfuid/Pansexual)

The Devil is probably the most powerfull demon on earth, not even his fallen siblings compare to his powers. Why? Nobody knows. He's the oldest of the demons and second-oldest when compared to ALL of his siblings. Although of his tough extirior(?) he is actually just a wittle guy that needs a break of everyones bs desperatly. To him, his most important duty is protecting the family he still has, with his very life. They may have fallen but he still cares deeply about his siblings. All over he may seem like he would kill you in an instant for coughing (wich he will if there's a good reason for it) but he is infact a very logical man.

Beelzebub/Beelze(pronounced like "Bells" btw if there's confusion) (Cisfemale/Bisexual)

Beelze is the mute Princess of Gluttony, she can only talk with the help of a special Collar made by the gatekeeper. She is a very sceptical person who never judges a book by it's cover, that doesn't mean there aren't certain people she just doesn't trust tho. Dice is one of those people, she just does not trust him, maybe she knows something the devil isn't aware of. She is very overprotective of her family and will literally kill someone for making a wrong comment. She will also be a very supportive character of Ink and care-taker of levi.

Leviathen/Levi (laughs in the face of gender/aroace)

Levi; the mentally unstable prince of envy, while he doesn't really represent his sin greatly, he makes up with it with his personality. He's always smiling and generally just very fun to be around considering his child-like behavior at times. Altough in reality he does get overwhelemed very easily and it takes him a bit to calm down again. When Leviathen gets angry you better run, since he is one of the most powerful beings in hell. He's the main characters fun uncle and often plays the role of the comic-relief.

Mammon (Demiboy/Bisexual)

Mammon is the Blind, edgy, grumpy character that just needs some affection. They weren't always like this, while Satan was still alive he was quite good company. The Incident broke him tho. He has a hard time getting around no thanks to his blindness and uses hellhounds as basically guide-dogs. He distanced himself alot from his family and barely talks to any of them. They can never forgive Lucifer after what he did.

Satan/Satanas (Any pronouns/unlabeled)

WE DON'T TALK ABOUT SATAN

Asmodeus/Ozzy (doesn't give a shit/pansexual)

Ozzy is a very cocky person (in more ways than one ;])(okay I'm sorry that one was bad) but a very comfortable dude to hang out with. Contrary(?) to popular believe, he actually does respect boundaries. He is kind of a comfort-person for anyone who is unsure about their Identity, may it be sexual,romantic,gender or just overall. He is supportive boi.

Belphegor/Belphi (Cismale[very confused abt his gender]/doesn't know what He's into He just falls in love with ppl)

Belphegor is the prince of sloth so there's no surprise that he's mostly just relaxing. Other than the other Princes He doesn't have fur, but is covered in feathers. He's just existing and not caring about anything.

Ink/the kid/kiddo/kid/Inky (Cismale/Biromantic/Asexual)

Ink, the main character and the devils and Dice's adopted son. He was found in the back-ally of the casino, badly injured, when he was only 6yrs old. At first it was asumed that he's a toddler due to him being severly smaller than anyone else. He's still pretty small only reaching about 1,3 metres is size (americans google bc I have no Idea) He works as anything the devil needs him to be really, Dealer, Waiter, Barista, Bounty-hunter or Assasin, He doesn't care.

If you have read 'till here I can't thank you enough, you get a goat smooch

[house-of-buzzing]

Not technically but… zhey juzt are everywhere! Everywhere, I zay! I got into one of zhoze round onez for adultz today. We won‘t talk about zhe ztruggle of getting out. But where elze zshould I have zat? I wazn‘t feeling well!

those fucking things humans call swings are death traps.

[beelze-the-bubkiss]

A master post

By:Beelze

My name is Beelze, you can call me Bee

I'm 20

Consistently confused and a frequent drinker of dumb bitch juice

Check out my Side blogs

@bee-writes-bs

@beeartfull

Enjoy

My greatest hits

My favorite post I've ever made

^the post of @jasontoddsguns holding Jason Todd with a bullet proof vest and oven mitts on

An early morning kerfuffle

^my mom did what?!

My poetry master post

Personal lore master post

Kids at the End Masterpost

This whole this is still a work in progress

[cassioppenny]

Milesverse is definitely something I like a LOT. Especially that you kinda counted Missingno and not many people do that. I haven't really read much but I kinda understand the lore (I just got here!) but I think it'll be really funny if these happened (there's high chance it won't but a man can dream right?):

What kind of role does Missingno play into this?

It'll be kinda interesting if the protags and rivals take on pokemon creepypastas of themselves, that is something I have never seen before.

If Dawn faces Beelze, what will happen? (Beelze from Hell Bell btw)

thank you so much im glad you like milesverse :D missingno has always been really cool to me ever since i first learned about it

to answer your questions

i don't want to go too into detail on missingno's role in the story since im making the milesverse webcomic now (*cough* @pokemon-mv *cough*) so you'll just have to wait ;)

not every protag/rival has a missingno of their own. there's some characters who have something similar but they're not exactly creepypasta inspired like missingno

sorry idk who beelze is💀

[starxscream]

I think the funniest OC world lore Beelze and I came up with is that taxes were created by an ageless godlike being who feeds off of fear just to torment people. No one knew what taxes were before that point

[ko-the-kreator]

[About 10% of Bernard’s lore is here. It has been through the editing phase and finally ready to be out. Here is a condensed version for those who have been asking.]

Bernard’s Lore:

Bernard had eloped with a young woman, Anaiel Tempest, later figuring out that she was an ex-occultist and witch in 1898. Which explains the sudden attraction he had when all she reeked was sin.

The stayed together for a quarter century in the In Between, before she began to crack and fall apart, since she still was a living human, her body wasn’t used to being in the world between two realms.

Bernard took too stealing from local warehouses where they had sold elixirs to help keep her balanced until they found a permanent solution.

Unfortunately, words got out to the big man of the city—Mr. Benne Arthur Demose. King of the In Between. Ruler of Sin Himself. He took to the situation himself. Putting Bernie immediately on Death Row, by shoving a fist through his gut.

Mr. Arthur and Anaiel eventually made a deal, Anna had sold herself and stayed within the solid steel gates of Demose Manor with Mr. Arthur, where she later passed on due to “complications with their deal.”

Broken, Miserable and alone up until 1919, he began working under Benne Arthur Demose, making deals and reaping souls, going from living in the slums to living the big life in the penthouse of Devil’s Keep.

He owns a successful bar called Sin City, where he runs it all the way up and into present day.

He raises two nephalem young adults, Azazel and Beelz, who bartend from time to time, a young brother and an estranged uncle he rarely is in contact with.

Bernard holds a huge grudge against Arthur Demose but the two become a bit closer.]

That is all y’all get rn.

[alpacinoinheat]

if you asked goncharov what is the one thing he's absolutely certain of, he'd tell you it's the certainty that katya would never betray him

[crancisfrozier]

How is every single news article getting the goncharov characters wrong it’s LITERALLY spelled out in Beelz’s poster. That’s like the only concrete lore this movie actually has.

[beelzeebub]

ok I am a big fan of your lore, specifically mario and goncharov. are you planning on writing anything? specifically about them? I’m just a little sick of seeing andrey/goncharov stuff EVERYWHERE and want ppl to appreciate mario/goncharov.

So, could you tell us more abt their relationship?

I'm glad you like my lore! It means a lot to me when people read it. I will definitely exapand the lore and their relationship. But in terms of writing a fanfiction? Never gonna happen :D I'm just not good with words and I've never written anything coherent in my life. You can expect a lot of fanart though!

As for their relationship, Goncharov meets Mario in a casino in Italy and befriends him only to infiltrate Andrey’s crime ring (to revenge his murdered family). But as time goes on, Mario notices all the inconsistencies in Goncharov’s cover story and figures out he’s not who he says he is. Meanwhile, Goncharov really starts to consider Mario his friend and almost feels sorry for lying to him. At some point, Goncharov tells Mario the truth about who he is, even tells him his real name (the only other person who knows his name is Katya). It will be up to Mario to decide whether he betrays his boss and helps his new friend to revenge his family.

[muchinery]

Your Belelzabob is very cute! I was going to say how they're hot rather than a nasty nasty man but I realize it's and OC and I love it!! Can you share anything about them or their lore? 🥰

oh lol wrow ty ! i can share some info bout them sure, ty for asking <3 Beelz is hell's prince of Gluttony with followers who also resemble insects in their looks, he also attracts bugs whenever hes on the surface. Beelz enjoys going on the surface to some bad fast food restaurants and eating some really trashy food, because of that sometimes restaurants close since theres a gradual insect invasion the more time he spends there. A hunter showed Beelz more rich and expensive food which he fell inlove with the many different cuisines very quickly, resulting in Beelz kidnapping chefs and creating a hells kitchen of his own where they serve him any type of food you can think of. :^)

[digimonloving]

How stinky is your beelz? He looks like a 90% stinky rat but I need to get this information from you to be sure.

(He's not that stinky, he's an extreme loner who doesn't take care of himself and has been in so many battles and he's old (been around since the start of Digital World n all and -insert more lore-), it's worn into his jacket and birb helmet

He's grumpy and keeps away from ppl but he's going to b forcibly adopted and loved by a tiny Tamer soon enough FHSDFH

[ego-osbourne]

AHOS concepts

First pic is another version of a Lucifer vs Beata fight, but this time with a non-canon design for Beata.

Second pic… :)

And last pic is a concept a with Beelze that I might make canon. Lore time

~LORE~

Beelzebub wasn’t ever an angel, but he also never Fell with Lucifer. Instead, he was the brain-child created by Lucifer and Beata in order to trap a powerful spirit, making Beelze a sort of golem. However, neither Lucifer or Beata had God’s power, and weren’t able to create a new soul in the traditional sense. They instead took the bodies and souls of fallen angels and combined them in a cruel quilt of spirits before placing them in a new body, creating Beelzebub. Beelze isn’t quite aware of his patchwork of souls, but other angels definitely are. If an angel were to look him in the eyes, they would be struck with visions of fallen angels twisted together in a painful fashion, and the collected pain would cause the angel to cry.

Kind of edgy, kind of tragic, but a cool concept, I think :)

[gluttonyqueen]

That was one of my reasons for making my version of Beelzebub female (as opposed to merely having a female body, but still remaining the Prince of Hell and the Lord of the flies). With every bit of respect to non-binary characters and a lot of love for canon Beelz. 

The main point here is that a woman can do anything. She can rule over Hell if she wants too. She can lead millions of demons into battle. She can be in command during said battle. 

But in Good Omens patriarchy simply doesn’t exist (it does on earth, but we’re not talking about that). GOD is female, which doesn’t only mean that, strictly speaking, Heaven is run by a woman – everything is run by a woman, created by her, shaped and driven into current state. The LORD’s plan considered, maybe girl power is the real first commandment. It doesn’t matter who runs things, as long as they do it well. 

In classic demonology, however, the majority of demons are kinda male, especially those in power. The Bible is about men (some led into trouble by women, like Adam). GOD is male, Satan is male, a great part of demons and (correct me if I’m wrong) all the angels. No wonder religious societies are profoundly patriarchal. 

Beelzebub is male in the Christian lore, as well as in the original GO book, but the thing is, angels/demons are sexless. I don’t think they’ve heard about patriarchy in Heaven/Hell. It’s beyond them, the concept belongs to humans. There are hardly any objections from the demons about being subjected to a woman (to think of that, there’s still a higher power, Satan, who is male). But Beelzebub is often mistaken for the Devil. If Lucifer is as absent in GO canon as GOD is, it makes all the sense – demons are chaotic by nature and some of them are not, well, very clever. They do need a sturdy hand to guide them, to lead them and to deal with a shitload of paperwork in between. 

And mind you, Hell isn’t very progressive. It’s stagnant. Unlike Heaven that exploits advanced technology, Hell sticks to the old methods. Old clothes, old-fashioned speech, they’ve hardly heard about computers... That’s why they’d hardly want a change of authority (despite their rebellious nature as former angels). Which, again, leads to believe that there’s never been any patriarchy in Hell.

(Which somehow makes Hell sound like a better place, huh)