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Primarch of the Ist Legion of Space Marines, the Dark Angels. Know to slaughter entire planets and alien species in the interests of humanity. Took a 10,000 year nap, leaving his kids alone to kill each other.
#warhammer 40#wh40k#lion el'jonson#honestly using any 40k character feels a bit like cheating#because I am pretty sure there isn't a SINGLE named character in that entire universe that isn't a warcriminal#also yes I did make a small exception to the poll options this time ;3 it felt appropriate
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Piggybacking on this for Lyla and [REDACTED] (I'll have them introduce himself soon, when its an incredibly dramatic moment ofc) and Gabriel
Lyla and [REDACTED]:
- both Lyla and the other AI are AroAce! However, the purple one is sex repulsed while Lyla is just like "that's beautiful but not for me"
- Lyla has multiple cat shirts, thanks to Miguel
- every single detail about the new AI is very very very intentional, from his coloring to their name to their outfit. All of it. I thought HARD about this, and as we know, the stove is on 24/7. I am constantly cooking.
- Lyla lovingly bullies him for the retro stuff (but secretly finds and orders things for him)
- [REDACTED]'s name is a little funny but works imo
Genuine question about the retro things: is it because of Xina?
Gabriel fun facts (I play him lol):
- I altered his character a LOT. I felt that his character motivation in the '92 comics were WEAK AF and was like "why not make him a genuine force of chaos?"
- ofc there's still the petty hatred there, but there's more to it than the blatantly wrong "mom loved you more" thing going on in the comics
- Me playing him came solely from how I was suspicious of him as Lyla! To this day I have no clue if Lupin intended for him to be evil or if Lupin was just going with it from me posting about it. Either way, I love playing him and I love the horrific consequences his first attack has had for Lyla and the domino effect it caused
- Gabriel has the weaponry he has because of what is established in issue 21 of the '92 comics, which is basically: if you have money, you can get any kind of weaponry you can afford.
- Gabriel makes his own weapons so that it's harder to track from Alchemax and whatnot, since his bombs are used against them
- Gabriel is a crypto bro. That's how he has the money he has.
Player fun facts:
- I almost brought Conchata to the table. As an antagonist. I still might.
- I might bring Tyler Stone to the table. As an antagonist. I still might.
- I am going to university for ASL Interpreting soon!
- I can do Lyla's cadence pretty well! I cannot, however, do her voice
- It is a genuine struggle to make sure Gabriel and Lyla don't "sound the same" in their dialogue
- As seen in the way I do my posts, I LOVE writing exposition. Let me detail the ENTIRE room and how every single detail is and paint a vivid picture, and I will.
- My favorite thing to do with Lyla is to write her extremely human-like and then at a crucial moment have a downright cold and oversimplified take on the human condition and behavior. Ex: "Family dies all the time!". It never fails to hit like a truck. A very harsh reminder that she isn't quite human.
- If an AI irl were doing half the shit that Lyla is doing, I would be out in the streets protesting it's very existence. It's really funny how I play a character so sympathetically yet irl I'd fucking hate them.
MY GUY out of character question
Do you have any specific headcanons for Miguel? Ya'll have a really unique take on him here is like to hear more on
Open question by the way, this goes out to all the regulars on the blog
FINALLY! Someone asks me this!
So basically his last name is from Irish Origin,and most people make him go towards his Spanish side because he talked a little Spanish in the film. But me also being Irish,I like to think that he also has his moments like I do and sound more Irish in some situations.
Cliche but he might have some undiagnosed trauma he never sorted out that makes him think irrationally (like in the film). And the “oh yeah we have that but in 2099 we call it Autism” joke was true for him, hence the overstimulation moments he gets.
He may seem “high tech” and from the future but sometimes he likes going retro with things,because old stuff is fascinating.
Did I ever mention how I head cannon that he has a ton of cat shirts like he had in the concept art? No? Well he does! And he’s an edgelord who’s blissfully unaware that he’s with the fruity kind because he never engaged in thoes activities in fanarts (he will pretty soon so uh slight warning)
Last thing I head cannon besides his hair being red towards the nape of his neck is that for relaxing, if he could he would sleep a lot and just lounge around with soft things (hell, if you wore a fursuit on the couch he’d just think it’s just a giant stuffed animal and just hug it). And his fear of Horses might be cured one day!
Sorry if it’s long! I could rant for hours!
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tell me why I just saw a post about how some modern animation fans refuse to watch tales of Arcadia because it's 3D??
Listen, I understand the knee-jerk reaction to cgi animation. If you've followed me for any period of time, you know I am That Guy. I don't like most modern 3D productions because they tend to place technical achievement over any kind of artistic or narrative value, thus sacrificing the potential of cgi for an impression that all new 3D pieces are cash cows created solely for maximizing profit. It's very easy to find my criticism of The Mouse and my praise for studios that get it right, like Cartoon Saloon and Laika Studios. I have an instinctive distrust of 3D animation for fear that I'll watch it and find out it's actually a soulless waste of time meant only to sell merchandise.
Which is why I was so impressed that Tales Of Arcadia isn't like that!
The focus in ToA animation isn't realism, but artistic advancement! Characters are clearly stylized and have funky designs. The textures are detailed and refined, but not to the point where you wonder why they didn't just film it in live action. The lighting and color theory is phenomenal. This is gorgeous animation for THE SAKE OF gorgeous animation.
Perhaps most importantly, the writing is very good. It's not perfect, but it's pretty damn good, especially for a kid's show. ToA very much achieves the effect of reaching an older audience than it was meant for. To an adult viewer, the story is not only enjoyable but thoughtful. The characters face real consequences, most of which are permanent. Small actions have huge repercussions later on. Imperceptible details lay the foundation for incredibly clever foreshadowing. Is there filler? Sure, like any children's show! But at least the filler has meaning and is used for character development. By and large, the writing in ToA is refreshingly good.
There's also the obligatory name-drop of its creator, Guillermo del Toro, the visionary behind movies like The Shape of Water and Pan's Labyrinth and legendary proponent of hot monster characters. His hand in the ToA trilogy is very apparent and lends a rich undercurrent to the narrative that, frankly, most animated shows nowadays don't have. For that matter, the genuine appreciation and talent of the entire crew really shines through in every episode through the attention to detail and artistic innovation.
If you've read all that and haven't been put off... here's a summary of the trilogy! Its genre can best be approximated as "science fantasy", and includes the shows Trollhunters, 3Below, and Wizards in that order (as well as a feature film coming in 2021 called Trollhunters: Rise of the Titans)!
Trollhunters begins with Jim Lake Jr., our protagonist, inheriting the role and title of Trollhunter - a chosen warrior who is bound for life to protect "good" trolls from Gunmar the Black, a troll warlord who was banished to a realm called the Darklands with his army. Meanwhile, Gunmar's vicious son Bular roams free in the world of men with the singular purpose of killing Trollhunters and looking for ways to bring his father back to Earth. Jim has only the Amulet of Daylight, which gives him magical armor and a sword, and a couple of overeager troll mentors to protect him as he struggles to navigate his new duties alongside typical teenage shenanigans and supporting his single mom, Barbara. It begins as a fairly typical "teenage hero with a secret identity" plot but quickly grows past that and introduces interesting new twists and characters. The writing is especially strong in this one, and it's beautifully cinematic.
3Below begins off-world, on an alien planet called Akiridion-5. The main characters, Aja and Krel, are children of the king and queen, who are almost immediately overthrown in a military coup led by the previously exiled General Morando. Aja and Krel are forced to flee to Earth with their badly wounded parents and a bodyguard, and have to try to blend in with human society and avoid intergalactic bounty hunters while they wait for their parents to heal. The real strength of this show, in my opinion, is how it explores the characters' relationships with each other and the metaphor of Aja and Krel being immigrants. It's handled very well.
Finally, released only yesterday at the time of writing, we come to Wizards. Wizards focuses more on expanding the concepts introduced in Trollhunters, and continues to put the protagonists in extremely difficult situations as previously introduced characters are fleshed out and given a chance to develop. Despite a controversial ending, Wizards was by and large an utter delight to watch - the animation in Tales of Arcadia somehow improves from series to series (even though Trollhunters sets a high bar to begin with), and you can clearly see that progress in the absolutely stunning composition and execution in Wizards.
I can't wait for the feature film Rise of the Titans next year. Tales of Arcadia not only delivers a solid narrative, but also lays the groundwork for expansive fan exploration in a richly detailed universe that manages to tie together mythological creatures, aliens, and high fantasy spellcasters in one world and one story. If you're on the fence about 3D animation, I can say with authority that you should give Trollhunters a try. Watch the first season and see what you think. You won't regret it.
#tales of arcadia#animation#toawizards#3below#trollhunters#long post#sorry for this BLOCK of text i wanted to write an appreciative post lol#also realized its aarons birthday so hey#happy birthday dude thanks for your work :)
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Musings on Race in Fantasy or: Why Ron Weasley isn't Black
Blogger’s Note: This particular article is kind of funny in retrospect, now that drawing black!Harry and black!Hermione has become so common in the fandom.
Last year (or maybe the year before, time flies doesn't it), the Sci Fi channel produced an adaptation of Ursula le Guin's Earthsea stories. It caused something of a furore, because most of the main characters were white. I mention this for two reasons.
The first reason is that the TV company, with typical mealy-mouthed style, insisted that they had practiced "colourblind" casting and in a stunning manipulation of middle class guilt, immediately implied that it was somehow racist to expect them to cast a Native American in the role, just because that was the real world ethnicity which most closely approximated that of the people of Earthsea. Obviously the white guy just happened to be the best guy for the role, obviously he stood out by a mile over the other contenders. The second reason I mention it, though, was because when I read the books (many years ago now) I had completely failed to notice that Ged wasn't white. With the white middle class man's ingrained fear of being labelled a racist, I immediately constructed for myself very much the kind of justifications that the Sci-Fi channel had. "Oh well it's all about the character isn't it, Ged's character is the same whether he's black, white or whatever". The thing is: it's natural for people to assume that a fictional character of unspecified race is the same race as them. Similarly I have a strong memory of seeing a picture in my year nine RE class of a depiction of Jesus from a church in China. Their version of Jesus, of course, looked Chinese, which broke a few of our tiny fourteen year old brains. Jesus is Chinese in China, black in Africa, Caucasian in England. He might even be Jewish somewhere, but that seems rather unlikely. But there's another thing. I, yes, will generally assume that a non-racially-specific person is white. And I'm pretty sure that a Chinese person reading a book written in Chinese by a Chinese author will assume that a non-racially-specific person (who will probably have a vaguely Chinese sounding name and live in a fictional setting that looks pretty much like medieval China) would be ethnically Chinese. My girlfriend pointed out over lunch that, when she reads Haruki Murakami, she imagines all the characters as white, even though they're presumably mostly Japanese. It gets more complicated when you put minorities into the mix. Put simply, I cannot put my hand on my heart and say that a black person living in England has the same luxury that I - and Chinese people in China, and Indians in India - enjoy. I, and I would imagine a great many other people who read the Earthsea books at a similar age to me, assumed Ged was the same race as me. I sincerely doubt that there are any black fantasy readers who made the same assumption about Aragorn when they read Lord of the Rings. Currently, then, I'm in one of those horrible situations where I think there's a point to be made, but I'm not entirely sure what it is. It's one of those "individual instance versus general trend" problems. I don't think you can look at any single work of fiction and say "that character, right there, should have been black". It's all very well saying that non-whites are underrepresented in Fantasy, but that's partly just because ninety percent of fantasy is set in a world that's functionally identical to medieval Europe. Most fantasy worlds do have black people in them, it's just that because they come from the Hot Continent In The South. Indeed most fantasy worlds seem to assume the existence of exactly four races: White Anglo Saxon, Black African, Asian (the Asian culture will invariably be a vast Empire in the East, and usually look like Han Dynasty China, plus Samurai, plus ninjas) and Arab (the Arabic culture will be either very religious or very mercantile, or both). In fact, the races that are the most underrepresented in Fantasy are - arguably - the non-Anglo-Saxon "white" races. A remarkable number of Fantasy settings include quasi-Venetian city-states, quasi-Roman empires and quasi-Spartan warrior cultures, who none the less manage to look remarkably like they were born in Colchester, nary a Mediterranean complexion in sight. I can just about accept a quasi-European world with no black people in it (Fantasy worlds don't haveimmigration after all). It's rather harder to accept a fantasy analogue of Florence in which nobody looks Florentine. (This weird omission applies almost universally in fact: when was the last time you saw a Roman Emperor actually being played by a Roman? Why when it is unthinkable for a white man to play Othello does nobody bother to find a Venetian-looking Desdemona). Of course I might be making a fuss about nothing. As I say, it's easy for me to assume that everybody I read about is white (even when there's textual evidence to the contrary). I don't really have any evidence that Locke Lamora isn't Latino, or that the men of Westeros aren't Hispanic (the Dornishmen are, of course, Generically Arabic but like most fantasy worlds, Westeros seems to have an invisible line across the equator, with the people going from "white as milk" on one side to "coffee-coloured" on the other with no in-between). So maybe it isn't a problem with the genre, maybe it's a problem with me. There is, after all, nothing stopping me from imagining Robert Baratheon as looking like a Greek Cypriot, or Ron Weasley as being a black kid who just happens to have red hair. If I assume that a character of unspecified race is Caucasian, that's my look out. The problem is, though, that if I am making the assumption that J Random Character is white, just because I am white, then it seems overwhelmingly probable that the white middle class writers of fantasy are making the same assumptions. And I think this is an issue. When JK Rowling was designing her boy wizard (and I really don't mean to single her out here, it's just a good, well known example) I'm sure it didn't even occur to her that Harry Potter could be a black kid, any more than it occurred to me that he would be. When she was designing Ron Weasley, she imagined a character that would be her ideal image of an honest, supportive friend, and what she wound up imagining was a boy with red hair and freckles. And it's that more than anything else that causes the trouble. The problem with "race" in fiction in general and fantasy in particular, is that it has two very distinct implications. The first implication is the social and political one " "black" and "white" carry tremendous social connotations in the real world, and that bleeds over into created worlds as well. The second implication of a character's race, though, is much more prosaic. A person's race affects what they look like. Well, duh. But actually, it's the cosmetic implications of race that wind up being the most important. It is considered absolutely and unambiguously wrong in the modern world to judge somebody by their race. It is considered totally okay to judge somebody by their looks, particularly in a work of fiction, where somebody's physical appearance is often expected to tell you something about their personality. Ron Weasley has red hair and freckles: the average reader knows instantly what that is supposed to imply about him. He's boyish, a little impetuous, but basically a good person. He has "hero's sidekick" written all over him. The problem is, having "red hair and freckles" effectively precludes Ron Weasley from being black, because very few black people have red hair (although it isn't unheard of) and black skin tends to freckle far less visibly than white skin. Again, just to be clear, I'm not saying that JK Rowling is "a racist" but I am saying that when JK Rowling formed in her mind the image of a true and decent friend, she deliberately gave that person particular physical characteristics which she felt created the appropriate image, and those traits are traits you are very, very unlikely to find in a black person. Try to write a description of a beautiful woman, and the odds are better than even that you'll make her tall and slender with long, golden hair. Chances are, you'll make her tall and slender with long golden hair even if you're more into brunettes. "Tall and slender with long golden hair" is our cultural shorthand for beauty - it's what Cinderella looks like, it's what Rapunzel looks like, it's what Laura Fairlie looks like, Sweeney Todd's dead wife and lost daughter are both "beautiful and pale, with yellow hair". Snow White's a brunette, but she's still got skin as white as snow. No writer would dream of suggesting that a black person couldn't be beautiful, but our "generic" idea of beauty is pale and blonde, just like our "generic" idea of boyish charm is a freckly redhead and our "generic" idea of a wise man is a white guy with a long beard and a pointed nose (I'll talk about noses more in a bit). The "race affects how you look" issue is also another strike, I think, against the idea that I only assume that everybody in Fantasy is white because I'm a white man myself. When people talk about "race" they tend to just think in terms of skin colour, but of course it actually affects a whole lot more than that. I can't think of a single point in the Potter books where it explicitly says that Dumbledore or Harry are white (so you could argue that it's just my preconceptions coming into play), but race isn't just about skin colour. Harry Potter is famous for his messy, floppy hair (again, it's a characteristic that makes him seem more like "a regular kid" - or at least a regular white kid). Dumbledore, of course, has his long, pointy nose. Even if their skin colour isn't mentioned explicitly, neither of these physical characteristics are terribly likely to be possessed by a black man. There are exceptions, of course, but in general black people don't have "floppy" hair or pointed noses. All in all I feel confident that, when I assume a character in a fantasy novel is white, the author is making the exact same assumption. I've just spent about 1700 words slating Fantasy writers for not including enough black people in their books (and certainly not including enough Latino or Greek people despite a great many settings looking a whole hell of a lot like Spain, Greece or Italy), but I'd like to spend a moment backpedalling. The thing is that what I said at the start, about it being natural to assume that a person of non-specific race looks pretty much like you still holds. If I was a Fantasy writer I am damned sure that I'd make my protagonists white, just because it wouldn't occur to me to do otherwise. If I had to write about a beautiful woman, you can bet your arse I'd make her tall and slender with long golden hair, because that's how I instinctively think of a "beautiful woman" looking (even though I do, in fact, far prefer dark women in real life). The other problem with race in Fantasy is that, because it's not our world, you can't use nationality as a short hand. It's actually remarkably hard to describe many non-white races without resorting to (a) cliche or (b) rather dubious ethnic stereotypes. You can get away with it fairly easily in something set in the real world, because you can just say somebody is "Chinese" or "Azerbaijani" and either people will know what you mean, or they can look it up on the internet. In a fantasy world you don't have that luxury. This is probably why there are only four races in most fantasy worlds. Anybody whose race isn't described is white. Anybody who has dark skin is Generically Arabic, anybody who has very dark or black skin is black, and anybody who has a long moustache or does Kung Fu is Asian. Some fantasy worlds similarly include a quasi-Mongolian culture, who we know to look Mongolian because they have a close relationship with their horses. You might, if you're very lucky get "olive skinned" people (who are presumably therefore green) tending Big Fields of Ancient Wheat, but that's about your lot. Again however, I wonder how much more Fantasy writers can realistically be expected to do. The simple fact is that the real world is unimaginably complicated. A fantasy series is praised for its worldbuilding if it contains more than six moderately well realised nations. The CIA World Factbook lists the real world as containing over two hundred and sixty. Similarly, while fantasy worlds may grossly oversimplify the concept of ethnicity, it would be impossible to do otherwise - just looking at the CIA world factbook again, we see (for example) seven distinct ethnicities depicted as existing within Albania alone (Albanian, Greek, Vlach, Roma, Serb, Macedonian, Bulgarian) while the entry for China lists eleven (Han Chinese, Zhuang, Uygar, Hui, Yi, Tibetan, Miao, Manchu, Mongol, Buyi, Korean). The complexities of real-world ethnic diversity are beyond even the most talented of fantasy authors, never mind your average Quest-and-McGuffin merchant. In the end, then, the thing I find most upsetting about the appallingly whitewashed nature of most fantasy settings is that I can absolutely understand why they're like that. Even though I'm a thoroughly modern, thoroughly liberal man, even though I work in an international school am therefore able to feel smug and cosmopolitan because I know what people from Kazakhstan look like and have a reasonable chance of identifying an Azerbaijani accent I still, deep down, instinctively assume that "person" means "white person", and I can't ultimately condemn JK Rowling for giving her white protagonist a white best friend and a white mentor, and having them marry a couple of nice white girls and have nice white kids who they named after their dead white relatives. I know I'd do exactly the same. The sad fact is that most white people don't think about race that much, because we simply don't have to. While this is arguably better than being actively racist it's still kind of a sorry state of affairs, and it's unbelievably pathetic that after all these years, Ursula le Guin is still pretty much the only person in the industry who seems to give a shit.
Themes: J.K. Rowling, Books, Minority Warrior
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Arthur B at 00:49 on 2008-03-15
The amazing thing about the racial mix in Earthsea is how many people completely miss it, despite le Guin's valiant efforts in throwing out evidence pointing towards it. The only other author I can think of who's played with people's cultural stereotypes in this way is (big surprise coming here) Gene Wolfe; in The Book of the New Sun you need to pay attention to notice that Severian lives somewhere near where Buenos Aires is in our own time, that the Commonwealth it is a part of is South America, and that the Maoist-flavoured despotism threatening the Commonwealth exists in North America; the average fantasy reader (in the Anglo-American world, at least) is going to tend to assume that Our Hero lives in the northern hemisphere and that slogan-spouting Maoists are Chinese.
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Guy at 04:34 on 2008-03-15
I remember it coming as quite a shock to me when I read Wizard of Earthsea to discover that Ged was dark-skinned. I'd already formed a picture of him in my mind and it was disconcerting to be told that this picture was wrong. It did make me think about race in fantasy worlds, though... later I read an essay by le Guin in which she said she did this deliberately... the idea being to try to secure the reader's identification with the protagonist before letting them in on what that protagonist looked like. I think maybe the reason fantasy worlds tend to be so ethnically homogeneous is that they're mostly seen as (and used as, probably) an escapist outlet and we don't like difficult social questions in our escapist fluff. I imagine a similar racial mix can be found in Mills and Boon novels, for example? I think le Guin is one of those fantasy (and sci-fi) writers who is intent on doing more than providing formulaic escapism and showing what the genre is capable of extending to... it's a shame there aren't more like her. I think escapism is great, but I'd hate to think that was all the fantasy genre had to offer.
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Dan H at 10:08 on 2008-03-15
As I say, I can actually forgive fantasy for not handling race well, because it's actually very hard to do well, and I can certainly forgive purveyors of light, escapist fantasy for not dealing with complex real-world social issues. On the other hand it kind of does bug me that - say - JK Rowling has an all-white cast saving their 99% white world from all-white villains and then gets praised for (a) her sensitive handling of the issue of racism and (b) her amazing courage in having two black characters who never do or say anything, and a character who is revealed to be gay in an interview (and was therefore Never Able To Find True Love Or Happiness Because of His Unnatural Predelictions). Look! It took me all of three posts to turn this into JKR-bashing! The ethnic makeup of Westeros also seriously confuses me. Why do the blonde people live two miles north of the black people? Why?!
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Guy at 12:01 on 2008-03-15
Very crisp edges on the ozone layer?
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Sister Magpie at 16:45 on 2008-03-15
I've always felt a little lucky that I didn't read Earthsea until after the TV movie came out. I didn't see the TV movie, but I read the complaints about this, so I went into the book knowing what Ged looked like in the book. If I hadn't it's quite possible I would have overlooked it the same way. Which means the best I can say is that I'm willing to make the effort to keep non-white characters non-white--which isn't much!
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Arthur B at 16:55 on 2008-03-15
More likely the mighty efforts of the stalwart warriors manning the Kingdom's defences against the marauding hordes of dark people. :( Actually, let me nominate David Gemmell as someone who can, when the mood takes him, handle racial issues fairly well, or at least not appallingly badly. Even in Legend, his most black-and-white clash-of-cultures novel, he takes pains to make sure that both the Drenai and the Nadir civilisations have a mix of admirable and disreputable qualities, and there is genuine cultural mixing at the borders between nations; he even hints in The King Beyond the Gate that the Last Great Hope for Peace is not, in fact, the decadent, played-out, and European Drenai, but the vibrant, young and vaguely Mongolian Nadir. Then again, you do have Pagan as the Token Awesome Black Dude in The King Beyond the Gate, but I half-suspect that Gemmell introduced him simply because his publishers pressured him to and he was fed up of having his manuscripts rejected; he manages to make the dude reasonably three-dimensional and interesting later on. More importantly, he manages to make the dude three-dimensional and interesting in a manner which doesn't hinge simply on him coming from a vaguely African culture, but engages with him as a human being with very human flaws that, like all of Gemmell's heroes, he strives to overcome. At the end of the day, I suppose that giving characters from diverse races and cultures a similar treatment without stripping them of any distinctive cultural identity is the best that fantasy authors can hope for. (Which ties in, of course, with Dan's concerns about JKR. Sure, she throws in a few black and Asian kids in Hogwarts, but they pretty much never get a chance to do any of the cool stuff that the white kids do.)
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Arthur B at 16:56 on 2008-03-15
whups, Magpie and I cross-posted "More likely the mighty efforts of the stalwart warriors manning the Kingdom's defences against the marauding hordes of dark people. :(" was a response to Guy's comment about the ozone layer.
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Rami at 20:08 on 2008-03-15
It is really quite annoying how not that many fantasy series ever have an equivalent to South Asia ;-) but then, I'm a little biased...
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Guy at 07:37 on 2008-03-16
Incidentally, I saw a bit of the TV series of Earthsea... and I think with a certain amount of harrumphing I could have accepted the racial changes, if it weren't for the fact that it was a badly written, badly acted, utterly generic "McMagic" blancmange with no real reason to have the Earthsea name attached to it.
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Arthur B at 09:26 on 2008-03-16
Incidentally, does anyone know whether the Studio Ghibli version of Earthsea is any good? I know that le Guin was disappointed that Miyazaki gave the directing job to his son rather than doing it himself, but I also seem to remember that she isn't nearly as upset with it as she was with the SciFi channel version. Of course, anime has its own problems with dealing with racial issues; in most of Ghibli's films all the human beings seem to be of exactly the same race, whereas when other anime studios try to do non-European, non-Japanese characters it doesn't always work well.
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Jen Spencer at 09:48 on 2008-03-17
This is reminding me of Jazz in the Transformers movie. That hurt my brain.
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Rami at 11:56 on 2008-03-17
Jazz in the Transformers movie Oh, God, he really was just gratuitously ethnic, wasn't he? Just like in Not Another Teen Movie, which despite being a bit crap did hit the nail on the head with their Token Black Guy.
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Andy G at 19:54 on 2008-03-18
Interesting sci-fi / fantasy comparison here - are there any fantasy settings with heterogenous societies? I can only think of Ankh Morpork in the later Discworld stories, where he is deliberately focusing on the issue. It seems to be a much more common feature of sci-fi - Firefly, Star Trek, the Foundation series etc. Fantasy is perhaps still taking a Tolkien world-view as a point of departure, rather than the modern world - whereas the visions of the future in sci-fi have changed along with the visions of the present? More generally on all genre fiction - since sci-fi is only COMPARATIVELY progressive - perhaps it's also significant that the world-view in them tends to be much more white-centric in the assumptions on the part of the author and reader because we don't read from fantasy, sci-fi, detective stories, romances, thrillers from authors outside the UK and US? I can think of Night Watch from Russia and that's it. Even in Germany they tend to read just English fantasy / sci-fi. Oh and a final thought that just came to me - what about the whole question not just of characters' appearances but their accents - isn't that quite revealing about our assumptions too?
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Dan H at 10:56 on 2008-03-19
I think there's two distinct things to think about here actually. One is the comparative homogeneity/heterogeneity of the *setting* and the other is the application of the same principles to the actual *story*. Ankh Morpok is "heterogeneous" chiefly in terms of its non-human races, and the presence of the odd Klachian. In this sense it's actually not much different to JKR's world (where we're told categorically that Dean Thomas Is Black). Firefly basically has one black chick, one Mysterious Old Black Dude (who skates dangerously close to what tvtrops.org would call a "Magical Negro" at times) and that's about it. For a world where society is supposed to be fully 50% chinese, they run into surprisingly few Chinese people. Original trek was well done by the standards of its day - it was massively tokenistic but it was the sixties for crying out loud. TNG was actually far worse (there's what, one black guy on board, and he's an alien). Again, I'm not saying that there's anything *wrong* with white writers who write for mostly-white audiences in a mostly-white country in a predominently white industry writing stories where the protagonists are themselves mostly white. It's when they start making a big song and dance about how totally racially diverse they are it gets to me. Firefly does reasonably well in including a just-above-tokenistic proportion of non-white characters but when you remember that it's supposed to be set in a society where the chinese are actually a majority they start to be notable by their absence.
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Andy G at 12:38 on 2008-03-19
Absolutely, I think that's a much clearer explanation of the qualification I was trying to get at when I said sci-fi was only 'comparatively progressive.'
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Jamie Johnston at 11:01 on 2008-03-24
Very interesting stuff. I find myself wondering what is the best way for a writer to deal with the fact that his readers will make these assumptions. The Rowling approach of simply relying on them (and probably sharing them) and therefore not bothering to specify anything about a character's ethnicity unless it happens not to conform to them (e.g. Dean Thomas Is Black) reinforces the assumptions at least in as much as it doesn't challenge them. On the other hand, if a writer carefully specified the ethnicity of every character it would (1) get very tedious for the reader and (2) give the reader the impression than ethnicity is very important to the story, even if it isn't. Then again one can do what Gaiman does in 'Anansi Boys', which is to wilfully ignore the fact that your readers are making these assumptions and just to write the thing on the basis that *you* know all your principal characters are black and your readers will figure it out eventually. That may in principle be a very noble way to go about it, in that it doesn't indulge your readers' unhelpful ways of thinking and in fact makes them feel they've been rather silly and faintly racist, when the penny finally drops, for thinking in that way in the first place; but it also means that at some point around page 100 your readers will be massively distracted from the story you're telling them by having to make extensive retrospective mental adjustments while feeling they've been rather silly and faintly racist. Which doesn't really make for a satisfying aesthetic experience. P.S. Andy raised the point of science fiction from outside the Anglo-American sphere: I haven't read any, but I heard on the radio the other day that there's a big boom going on at the moment in Indian sci-fi. Might give an interesting angle on things, especially since (as has already been pointed out) fantasy and sci-fi tend to ignore the Indian subcontinent altogether because there's only room in The East for one civilization and it's usually Vaguely Chinese.
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http://draxar.livejournal.com/ at 20:50 on 2011-07-14
A very late comment, but one book that purposefully plays with this idea is Anansi Boys, where the majority of the main characters are black, and if I recall correctly, it mentions when a character is white, but not when they're black.
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Cammalot at 23:50 on 2011-07-14
I adored the hell out of that book for just that reason. It felt... refreshing. :-) Basically everywhere else in life (in my experience of Western culture, anyway) the opposite is done. "A woman walked own the road" followed by actual detailed description, versus "A black man got out of the car." The end. (Not even "A man got out of the car; he was black..."
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http://keysersose.blogspot.co.uk/ at 16:41 on 2017-03-16
I had a similar argument with my writer chums the other day, and Harry Potter was the example we used as well. Generally, fantasy writers treat white as default (consciously or unconsciously), and expect the readership to assume characters are white unless otherwise specified (again, consciously or unconsciously). That annoys me, so I have a somewhat petulant policy of mentally depicting all characters as black unless their ethnicity/race is actually specified. Harry Potter actually deserves some praise for never specifying the race of characters, which is a thing a lot of authors do dp. Rowling implies ethnicity through character description, or with stereotypical "ethnic" names, but she never goes so far as to tell you that Hermione is white British or Dumbledore is Persian. This is better than when a writer tells you a character is black (when skin colour has no apparent significance to the story or setting). I assume this is a middle-class, white guilt thing where they feel it necessary to indicate there are indeed people of colour in their book, but it kind of backfires because they only mention a character's skin colour when they are not white, implying white is the default setting. It is also usually the case that these POCs are relegated to support characters, and the author has reinforced the fact that the protagonist is lily-white. If I was a non-white reader, I might have imagined the protagonist up to a point of matching my ethnicity. The lack of mention initially communicates that I can imagine what I like. But then this stupid rule about pointing out the brown people asserts the white-is-default rule, and that means my mental image must be wrong. This issue also came up when reading the Kingkiller series, in that one of the characters is meant to be non-white, but it wasn't apparent to most of the readership because the character was described as "dusky" skinned, which could be used to describe anyone from Megan Fox to Grace Jones. Qvothe has the red hair, and the references to pubs and lutes imply a generic European medieval setting, but now there is this weird alternative problem where the description is so vague, it is basically pointless description except to imply everyone else isn't dusky coloured (and so therefore white). Qvothe himself has read hair, but is also from some cultural equivalent to Romani/Travellers. Fine, I think. Qvothe is black too.
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Arthur B at 17:31 on 2017-03-16
Interesting to see this one pop out of the archives, seeing how, whilst Ron is still not black in Harry Potter and the Cursed Child, Hermione is. I am with you on the utter uselessness of "dusky" as a description of someone's skin colour. So far as I can make out, it can apply to anyone who is not an actual albino.
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Orion at 19:47 on 2017-03-30
There's actually a quite sensible reason that Ron Weasley isn't black, and indeed why he has red hair, which is unrelated to the character-type-signaling. The Weasleys are an aristocratic old-money family that has been active and well known in Britain for a long time. They're not wealthy any more (or at least neither they nor the Malfoys would describe them as wealthy), but they're blood relations to many of the genuinely powerful families and have intergenerational rivalries with at least one. I think it's a pretty safe assumption that most (though perhaps not all) of the wizard families with ancestral estates in England and blood relations to other wizard families with ancestral estates in England are white. I suppose they could have been the descendants of a foregn merchant house that transplanted to England or it could have been one of Ron's parents rather than Ron who married a black outsider, but I think those changes do lead to different stories. Given that they're white, it makes sense that the Weasleys have red hair. It's because of their hair that everyone knows who they are and what they look like and can spot them across a room. One assumes that Ron might not be so cripplingly self-conscious if he weren't so easy to spot and recognize. Also, while everyone has to acknowedge that the Weasleys are wizard highborns, many think the Weasleys are somehow "not as good" as the other highborn families. I'm an American and liable to be mistaken about this kind of thing, but I'd expect that when English people in the UK see a family of redheads, they would assume that family was probably the the UK, but more likely to be Scottish or Irish than English, and that English nobility would feel that Scottish nobles are definitely nobles, but not really as good as English nobles.
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why does kylo have to be in all of your stories? i just want to read damerey for once without a major kylo-redemption or kylo-being-a-good-guy-au arc. :( it's exhausting to be constantly steeped in kylo's presence, especially in "he's actually good!" au, bc he ISN'T good and he's triggering and terrible and this fandom as a whole is too obsessed with him. :(
WELP my original response was:
“I’m not the Damerey godmother come to write fics for a sometimes (often) less responsive SW audience (which I get b/c Damerey seems to be a younger fandom who have larger OTPs elsewhere, and of course people don’t always have time to comment), but let me know if you ever want help writing your own fic where Kylo/Ben doesn’t make an appearance, so you can get precisely what you want out of fan fiction”
But then I realized how angry I was made by this ask, so I went ahead and counted my fics where Kylo/Ben isn’t mentioned OR is a villainous character and here you go:
No* Kylo Fics
*(other than momentary mentions sometimes, which is unavoidable considering he is a main character of the sequel trilogy - not part of the main trio, but still important to the arc - and the child of frickin’ Leia Organa and Han Solo)
Rated G:
I’m the Light Blinking at the End of the Road (Post TLJ)
Let the Stars Keep Track of Us (Modern AU/Military Spouse)
The Best Medicine (Post TLJ/Fluff)
Encantado (College AU/Fluff)
Night Cat and His Human (Modern/Neighbors AU)
You Do the Math (Post TLJ)
A Droid and His Damerons (BB8 POV)
Rated T:
unlove’s the heavenless hell (jedistormpilot/OT3 fic)
My Best Friends (Finn POV)
Roadside Assistance (Single Dad Poe AU)
Too Wise to Woo Peaceably (Brief Mention of Kylo in the first paragraph just because she was fighting him)
Green Eyed (Post TLJ)
Tell Me Something Good
Rated E:
An Officer and A Gentleman (Roleplay/Kink, post TLJ, established relationship)
Venus Now Wakes (And Wakens Love) AU
Full of Sunk Treasure (Librarian AU, Ben is referenced as Rey’s ex boyfriend)
Villainous/Unredeemed Kylo
Rated T:
Resistance Pilots and their Tempers
Rated M:
You’re Having (His) Baby (Modern AU - Kylo is the crappy ex - trigger warning for abusive/controlling behavior)
When You Softly Call My Name (References/Flashbacks to canon torture, Kylo as an unredeemed Sith)
(Also, From Cradle to Grave has endgame villain Kylo, but has him as a sympathetic teenager/brief romantic interest in Rey, but that sounds like something you’d really rather not, so I won’t suggest/link it)
Part One of my current Selkie!AU WIP (M, about to be E) is entirely Kylo free and can be read here
Which brings me to my point of why I’m a little hurt by this anon:
19 of my 41 Damerey fics are Ben/Kylo free (and that’s just what I found now, while ripping through my collection in irritation). That’s 46% of my Damerey fics published on the Archive - I have more here on tumblr.
Please don’t come on anon six months into me writing fic and tell me now that Kylo Ren in my fics is triggering - as someone who is a survivor of domestic abuse, who has PTSD, and who shut down in TLJ when he called Rey nothing, I always do my very best to tag everything, and to explain warnings for specific, upsetting materials in my fics. I always tag Kylo and/or Ben in appearance in my writing, because I understand people sometimes don’t want to read about Kylo Ren.
However, a large portion of the fandom does respond to Kylo - viscerally, emotionally, positively, negatively - and it’s a dynamic that I like to explore in fan fic. I don’t think he’s redeemable in the canon universe, and I don’t think he deserves a redemption arc (or would even realistically complete one - I think Vader’s end is the most realistic for him at this point). However, I know a good portion of SW fan fic readers relate to him, or sympathize with him, or at the very least, understand that he is a major part of Rey’s story, for better or for worse.
The fact that I’ve published more than forty Damerey fanfics since late January, and you’re just now approaching me on here to accuse me of being triggering is in a word, upsetting. That suggests to me that you haven’t actually read a lot of what I’ve written (again. 46% of my fics have no kylo or are anti kylo, and yet you say “all of them” have him appear, positively), and it’s odd that you would expect a tailor made fic having never approached me or commented suggesting that you don’t like the way I write (which would be constructive criticism, and would not have me typing an essay instead of writing a fluffy Damerey which was what I was doing before I got this message).
If you want to see something this badly, I strongly encourage you to start writing fan fic, and would happily help you plot something or write something that would achieve specifically what you want.
But I am a human being with my own personal interests and motivations, and I am not a magic Damerey fic machine where you put in a dime or two and expect a perfect story to come out. It’s honestly frustrating to spend two or three hours of my day writing and not get a lot of feedback (and if my regular lovelies are reading this, your support means the world! but Damerey is a smaller fandom, of which I’m aware), and then be accused of being a triggering writer who’s a monster for wanting to explore various dynamics in the sequel trilogy.
(and PS I wrote Bound to the Light - which despite having a kylo redemption arc is what I’m pretty? sure? to be the longest Damerey-focused/endgame fic on the archive - to try to portray a healthy love interest for Rey after I walked out of TLJ steaming mad. So just. Let’s not, kay?)
#tw: abuse mention#anon#ask#fic#ao3#i honestly paused writing a flower shop AU to respond to this#and now i'm going to have a panic attack#kay bye#someone didn't read the part of my ask box where it says NO BBH8
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