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[mizz-miscellaneous]

I don’t know about anyone else but I associate paleness with richness/wealth, if that makes sense. Since Tim is Bruce’s neighbor then his parents made enough money to pay for him to go to indoor summer camps, which are likely more expensive than outdoor summer camps, cus AC and electricity and whatnot.

Another reason I think people headcanon Tim as pale is cus for a long period of time, his costume covered a *lot* of skin. He was the first Robin with pants, and his Red Robin costume also had pants and long sleeves, *and* the almost-full-face covering (cough condom head cough)

One bit of fanon that has confused me lately is how Tim always gets described as really pale but he’s not really drawn like that. Like he’s white but he’s not usually coloured in a way that people would describe as pale or take that much notice of. it’s just a random thing that bugs me bc there’s probably a reason for it but I just don’t get why people chose that to be a defining feature of him bc I swear it’s the main descriptor I see

hm yeah, i totally get that. i don’t really know where it comes from but if i had to take a guess it would be something like:

Red Robin era is what most people’s perception of Tim is based on -> This era is often considered a time he’s not taking good care of himself + he loses his spleen -> Paleness can be associated with/treated as a shorthand for sickliness -> ‘Tim is super pale’ becomes widespread fanon

but yeah it doesn’t typically phase me tht much but i agree it’s pretty out of nowhere as a main reoccurring descriptor for him

[nananana-batfannn]

So I’m doing a bunch of drawings of my headcanons for the batkids as metas, but I couldn’t do that without starting with the ACTUAL batmeta and then I got super into it and it turned into a mock cover.

In hindsight I wish I had drawn him wearing his armor, but live and learn I guess.

[archived-ilyana-intaegra]

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[oceannocturne]

Maybe at this point in the comic (the Titans beatdown) he wasn't even really seeing 'Tim as Robin' but just 'Robin' - as in, the symbol of what Robin is, and the thing (in a way) that got him killed. Maybe everything he's shouting is just him trying to justify beating on Tim when really it's this semi-cathartic mess of 'I miss being Robin because I miss who I was then but who I was got me killed so I hate him but I'm also mourning him and oh look here's a conveniently-Robin-shaped thing to beat on because anger is easier to handle than grief.'

Or it's just whatever dialogue the writers' needed to make this fight happen so they could amp up the tension for the inevitable showdown between Batman and Red Hood idk 🤷🏻‍♀️😅

some thoughts on jason, post-reread of teen titans #29

the curious thing is that geoff johns writes jason wanting to be remembered, memorialized with the other dead titans—he throws tim into donna's statue, yells, where's MY statue? so i wonder—have i been wrong all this time? would he have actually appreciated bruce's horrific glass case?

another thing. if jason, according to this issue, knows that batman didn't arbitrarily "replace" him, so to speak, then why did he go to all that effort to beat tim up? Thinking... in the comic he says smth about tim being nowhere near good enough to be robin/to measure up to jason's robin... perhaps he was lying to himself and Did feel resentment for the replacement despite his statements to the contrary. and jason notably keeps children away from his gig but perhaps he reasoned with himself that tim was trained by batman ans he could take it. perhaps he just wanted to have an excuse to vent his frustration and anger and grief onto the boy even if he knew it was wrong, even if it went against his moral code. or perhaps (see panel) he was even pulling a leslie and hoped the beatdown would also decommission tim and get him out of the vigilante lifestyle?

of course, it could always be mischaracterization/shaky writing of character motivation. but i think there's merit in looking at complicated comics and examining the messy dynamics, especially since this issue has been more or less accepted as unmissable canon.

speaking of complicated comics, i actually also have thoughts on dick and jason's dynamic based on how they were written in nightwing: brothers in blood. remind me to crosspost from my private twt acc!

one last thing: i actually love that jason is aware of bruce's "spiral into darkness" and STILL continues to enact his plan. it's the whole false equivalence of "bruce kills the joker == bruce loves me", "bruce doesn't kill the joker == bruce doesn't love me", or at least not enough. he's refusing to accept bruce's grief as penance. jason has already named his price, and he will not recant it. he will accept nothing less than the death of the joker 😋😋😋

[ladytauria]

!!!! cory i love you so much <3333 this is SO helpful thank you!!!

ik i could just ask this on discord but it’s not urgent so i didn’t wanna like. @ you or anything

i just had a couple of steph questions!! first: i swear i remember reading that steph was a vegetarian or had attempted being vegetarian at some point? but i can’t find anything about it & am starting to think i imagined it shsjjdkdjd

& then my second question: is she mentioned to like. enjoy any particular shows/movies or genre of shows/TV??

(these are for fics but like… minor, single sentence details so. def not urgent <333)

also feel free to throw any other interesting steph facts at me!! esp things you feel ppl forget / leave out 💞

ahhh you know i am always happy to talk about my girl <333 it’s after midnight for me so i am sorry that this isn’t the most eloquent answer and i am sure i am forgetting some things (i’ll add to this later/dm you if anything hits me) but to the best of my knowledge:

yes, stephanie is/was(?) a vegetarian. not sure off the top of my head if it was stated anywhere else but i dug up this screenshot from batgirls #13.

(for clarification this was when steph and cass body-swapped)

so no, you didn’t imagine it! though i can’t recall if she is still a vegetarian now, sorry.

now, your other question was much harder lol. i actually went and skimmed through all of the comics i have marked down as my favorite reads for her and most of the time when stephanie is shown watching tv or in front of a computer, all that’s ‘on’ is the news.

but! for you, livvy, i didn’t give up.

in nightwing #106, stephanie, cass and dick are all sitting down for their movie night. it’s cass’ pick that week but since steph did stay to watch, i think we can go on a limb and say that she at the very least doesn’t mind horror/sci-fi.

i know that she’s also referenced harry potter throughout her comics— usually just a throwaway line like ‘accio’ so from there we can infer that she does like fantasy/adventure as well.

(took some digging but i found an example in batgirl #18)

she’s referenced star trek as well, and at least in one conversation has been shown to know enough about game of thrones and star wars to joke about it with cass in batman: urban legends #5

i know that’s toeing the line of pulling at straws but given her more delved into interests in the action and fantasy genre i feel like it’s okay to assume that she does like those shows :) and if not who is going to tell me i’m wrong :) stephanie brown would love arya stark

all of this to say that stephanie has been shown to enjoy and understand pop-culture. a good portion of her civilian friends are alt as well, and i’d go so far as to say that given that, it wouldn’t be unreasonable to assume that she would enjoy independent films.

she’s a self-confessed music snob with an interest in art. i could easily see that playing into a joy for film festivals.

(didn’t include because this is already so long but after this panel — i already had it screenshot but i believe it comes from batgirls #1 — was her saying that they were looking for models and steph did consider it so i’d argue that she would enjoy fashion shows as well, though probably ones that are entirely student-run or by small designers)

(she hung that poster up on her bedroom wall next to her bed later on)

i know this isn’t covering everything, but i hope it’s enough to help!!! so excited to read your upcoming fics 🫶🏻 and as always if you have more steph questions or need a panel dug up, i am your gal

[mizz-miscellaneous]

some very good tags ahead

from @tumblingxelian:

#Jason: I can contort my body in the exact way I did when my ribs broke#Or my arm#Or my leg#or when I blew up#existence is a nightmare!

from @wisecolorthing:

#may#may I raise#both?#where everyone assumes that Jason has no/spotty memory of *jazz hands* all that#when in actuality he remembers everything#so later#when Some Shit goes down#idk like fear toxin or something#or maybe something that's like#normal#like just normal fuckin triggers that come out of nowhere to fuck you the hell up#like that one sent of soap that says FUCK YOU SPECIFICALLY#and the rest of the batfam/Jason's friends/whatever combo is there#realizes that they were wrong#and Jason remembers everything#you know#for the ~maximum angst potential~#anyway have a nice day

from @crisis-on-infinite-batblogs:

#NOCTURNA MY BELOVED#Jason had a whole ass parent DIE IN HIS ARMS#like he WATCHED HER get stabbed in the HEART#the idea that Jason is walking around carrying the trauma of lives that have since been erased#I firmly stand by the idea that Jason remembers EVERYTHING that happened precrisis and yes that includes Trina and Joe#Maybe this is why Jason never brings up any of his weird psychic powers from the All-Caste#like ever since he came back he’s known any number of unknowable things and he’s remembered so many impossible memories#Magical mountain training that lets him open windows into people’s minds and see the future is nothing new#nocturna#natalia knight#Jason todd#I’m going to be thinking about this forever

but hey don't think about how after a certain point and time, after a certain number of parents died/failed him, he just decided to never trust any authority figure ever again!!!

from @comicstuffkindaiguess:

#and i mean everything include that shit that doesnt make any sense for his character#how fucked up is that#he makes a list of all the shit bruce canonically did to him and thats enough for him to nope out of the family for good#which os kinda the fic im writing in response for urban legends 6 but moving on#jason todd#dc stuff#batman

I see your "Death, resurrection, Lazarus Pit, and universe reboots made Jason's memories kinda messy and sometimes he isn't sure what's real or not" (which I think it's great and you're all doing amazing) and I raised you "Jason remembers everything, with painful clarity, and that's ten times worse". 

[mizz-miscellaneous]

I feel like there’s something to be said about Bruce’s relationships with Dick and Jason, specifically regarding timing and I guess understanding? Maybe worldview?

Dick knew his parents loved him, and Bruce saw himself in Dick at the right place and the right time. Bruce became the father figure he would have wanted at that age.

However, with Jason, it’s just like - of course Bruce found him at the car. The scene of the crime is the worst place to be discovered at, and Jason’s earned distrust of adults isn’t helping. Bruce doesn’t even seem to consider that angle, because he hasn’t had anything close to the relationships Jason has had with his parents.

In regards to how they both left the role of Robin, Dick essentially aged out. Bruce was being an overprotective dad because parents can get like that sometimes, they both yelled, Dick left (I can’t remember if he got kicked out but I don’t think he did but don’t quote me on that).

Jason was searching for an indisputable connection. He’s never had that, has never had someone unconditionally care for him, and Bruce’s moodiness would not have helped. If anything, who knows if Dick always told Bruce when he was going out with the Titans? Maybe Bruce figured Jason was meeting with his own team. Bruce wants to let Jason spread his wings, but Jason sees it as controlling. Bruce’s moodiness could easily be read as swinging from too caring to not caring at all.

I don’t mind the labels “Batman greatest success/failure” for Dick and Jason respectively, but I think people don’t understand what they mean. They refer to Bruce’s actions and results in trying to save them from the fate of a lonely orphan that watched his parent(s) die tragically in front of him; they do NOT refer to Dick or Jason’s accomplishments as characters. Bruce saved Dick from becoming another angry, traumatized kid that felt like he had no family. He couldn’t save Jason because in the end, Jason ran away because he felt like a biological mother was his only chance at having a parent that wouldn’t leave him. Because Bruce, unknowingly, caused him to feel that way. That is Batman’s greatest failure, not some unfair criticism of Jason labelling him as the “worst/angry Robin” claiming that he’s a black mark among the Bats. Quite honestly, “Batman’s greatest success/failure” has nothing to do with Dick or Jason as people, only Bruce’s role as a parent to them.

[zeebee823]

hey y'all i'm consolidating everyone's ideas for my own sake, don't mind me

@aalghul’s tags:

#literally how the ga crossover went#bruce: i forgot to mention he outsmarted me & everyone else for months & I played into his plan the entire time#ollie: you’re the worst person i have ever known

to which @shinyshammie added, after screenshotting them:

I love this take and the tags just make it better

What’s the chance Bruce talks poorly of Jason purely because Jason does everything better AND manages an iota of emotional competence and Bruce is just mad about it

@shinyshammie’s tags:

#Bruce: all I have left after Jason’s kicked my ass five ways to Sunday for the 50th time is my pride#Bruce: and admitting Jason is terrifyingly competent to the point that he had all of Gotham dancing to his tune would kill that pride#Bruce: time to lie#Bruce: it’s Oliver so it should be fine#now when Damian calls Jason the emotional one#I’m going to assume it’s done with excessively concealed admiration#Damian: Todd does everything Father says should make him a monster and yet is one of the most human of us all#Damian: no wonder Mother adopted him#Damian: does Father know Mother has adopted Todd#Damian: trick question I don’t actually care but I’m not telling him when I can mock him for being the inferior Batman instead#is he referring to Dick as the better Batman?  Himself?  Cassandra? Bruce will never know#DC#Red Hood#Jason Todd#Green Arrow#Oliver Queen#Batman#Bruce Wayne

I like to think that the batfamily is always complaining about how Jason is so hot headed and impulsive and reckless to the rest of the vigilante community. So before they actually meet Jason, they think he's this loud, brash guy who's always yelling and shooting at people's heads without a thought. But when they actually meet him, he's quiet, pensive, and everything he does is calculated and strategically executed. The vigilante community realizes that he's a Bat™ through and through, he's just the most impetuous out of all the brood when compared to the rest of the Bats™ and that really says something about the batfamily huh?

[mizz-miscellaneous]

tags/comments roundup, here we go (the images in this reblog thread contain the following, in said order):

comment from @rando-gothamite:

"-comes back to life- Bro where's the tits"

from @robbed-ghost:

#Jason: damn it looks like my death had no impact on u people the clown’s still alive#Jason: well at least I can count on my predecessor to—WHAT THE FUCK????#Dick: what#Jason: DUDE ALL THE TASSELS ARE GONE?!?!!!? THOSE WERE YOUR MOST VALUABLE ASSETS#Jason: STYLE DIED WITH ME *dons leather jacket and thunder-thigh friendly leggings*#dick: What about my ass :(#dick grayson#jason todd#batfam#dc

from @littledead-ridinghood:

#he sees Tim’s entire robin cape isn’t yellow and flips out; that’s why he attacked him actually#jason: ‘if you can’t sneak around in a fully bright yellow cape than you don’t deserve to be Robin smh’#jason: ‘yellow and black?!? what are you? a bee?’#Tim: ‘robins aren’t—‘#jason: I don’t want to here anything from you#jason: ‘couldn’t even brave Gotham in hotpants either; just had to add tights’#dick grayson#jason todd

from @robbed-ghost:

#It’s the only time Tim and Damian have unanimously agreed on something#Alfred thinks it’s a Christmas miracle#dc#batfam#jason todd#tim drake#damian wayne#dick grayson#Ivy and Harley are the first members of Jason’s team#ivy shows up in a bra and sweatpants barefoot and hair unbrushed#harley shows up with a feather boa and a dinosaur suit#both are more comfortable than ever before#at some point he and Selina switch shoes so she can have a break from fighting in HEELS oh my GOD#meanwhile Olympic level athlete Jason todd does a backflip in stiletto boots and his whole team claps#none of them are surprised#dick joins in and the only change to his suit is a boob window

and of course, the most recent tags from @littledead-ridinghood:

#can’t believe Tim and Damian would create ‘a sane costume’ committee when they willingly work with fuckin Batman#just say you have no style or sense of dramatics and leave#Jason’s one of those bastards who can make anything look good 😌#i need to see my man in cuffed ripped jeans with fishnets underneath; 80s rock tshirts; leather jacket and docs; the works#the man needs to look like he listens to vinyl; painted nails; piercings and all#gotham city sirens#dick grayson#jason todd

Okay but when Jason died, Dick was still in his discowling phase. What did he think when he came back to Gotham like three years later and nightwing went from tits out to now all emo black sleekness? What a fuckin culture shock that had to be

[mizz-miscellaneous]

So to put it in plainer terms, before the pit any sort of cryptid-ness about Jason was just a result of him being Gotham’s Chosen Son, but after the pit it was Gotham, the Pit, and whatever the All-Caste did

So even when the Pit fades, he’s still got Gotham in his blood and the All-Caste in his soul

Hey are you the one who wrote those cryptid Jason Head canons? Like the one where his eyes glow in the dark and he appears distorted in pictures? How do you feel about Jason being a cryptid even as a kid, before the pit, it just amplified it and made it more spooky. Like bruce would turn around and suddenly Jason is behind him asking about that specific thing he shouldn’t know. Just Jason being a cryptid even as a kid. Or if you’re not that person, could you point them out to me? Pls Thanks

well, it’s hard to say at this point who started it, but I have in my headcanon tag a lot of cryptic Jay pieces;] 

The main one is based on the idea that whatever brought Jay back didn’t close the door properly and he’s been leaking strangeness ever since that he himself is mostly unaware of. 

Another was that Gotham is an eldritch entity and Jason happens to be one of its favourites - and it rarely ever results in good things for him, but welp, what can you do? 

I think this one could be adapted to an au where Jay was Gotham’s chosen son - when Willis said ‘damned prince of Gotham’ he wasn’t aware that he’s not hyperbolic - Gotham heard him and agreed. And in the verse where Bruce is somewhat aware of the eldritch qualities of the city, he also starts to notice things not adding up about his son. Misaligned shadows, the feeling of being watched and judged, Jay sometimes just… drifting away into his own head while the shadows of things around start bending towards him. The way Jason knows the city, knows how to navigate it in such minute detail that can’t be explained by even a street kid’s upbringing…these are small things, almost unnoticeable - but Batman notices. And he worries. 

[dyketectivecomics]

so the Thing is ofc, is that Dick is an Emotional Leader and Babs is an Intellectual Leader.

Both of those aspects have their strengths & weaknesses, but it really boils down to how mission vs people-focused they are. And the best part of what that means?

That working together, they’d be unstoppable!

Babs has the authority of Information. She knows her shit and heroes want to follow her because of her experience and her expertise. Dick has the authority of Empathy. He knows how heroes think and feel and can rally them into following a common goal.

And then you’ve got Duke. Who’s still starting out in many ways, but who’s already showing this Balance and this Potential. Because he may not Know Everything, but he’s getting there, and he’s already proven himself Very resourceful. He may still be growing up, but he’s already shown that empathy and those people-person skills with the Robin gang.

He’s still a little green, but let’s forget about how he’s still doing likely 90% of his training with Bruce for a moment. 

Bc listen, if he had Babs and Dick as his main batmentors instead? they wouldn’t need to worry about finding the right leader for the next generations. they’d guarantee them the Perfect Bat for the job.

the only batkids that really make sense as leaders are dick, babs, and duke. i can see any of them having teams form around them but idk those are the only three that i’m like. oh yeah. that’s a leader!

[mizz-miscellaneous]

just gonna be entirely normal about this and copy-paste some v good tags here, bolding sections that hit me in the chest:

from @aroace-jason-todd, who brought up sheila before this was reblogged with the original comic:

#THANK YOU#jasons smart#like really fucking smart#and everyone ignores this just bcus he wanted to save his mom#and she fucking betrayed him???#she straight up told him the joker was gone#he was 15 and his mom told him everything was gonna be alright#why wouldnt he have believed her??#joker could easily left with the convoy#he didnt go into the building until she told him to#how was it reckless for him stand outside the fucking building#its so fucking annoying

from @fortanuvasyama:

#what really sucks is that Bruce watches the warehouse blow up#and IMMEDIATELY goes 'i warned you i begged you but you never listen!!!' as he starts looking for jason#like wtf bruce???#it breaks my heart every time#DC started the 'bad robin' excuse before bruce even found jason's corpse#bruce wayne#batman#jason todd#robin 2

from @autisticredhood:

#what is worse: the pain of being called reckless and thats why you died (as a CHILD) or having to tell ppl that you werent reckless your#birth mother sold you out#ha ha im having a great time and im so normal about this 🥲

and once more, sorry i'm dragging your tags to the light kicking and screaming because parallels:

#EXACTLY!!#putting this in the tags bc i dont want to derail a canon-based post w my headcanons#not to be on my mother son duo agenda but the Power of talia being the one jason tells the story of his death to. a story of ppl going#WHY would you go into the warehouse & jason not answering but talia has also asked the same thing from the start except she phrases it as#/how/ did you end up in the warehouse. a want to understand rather than judgement. but still its too painful for jason. and then and then#and THEN talia takes care of jason after his throat is slit by the batarang & when jay gets his voice back he (unprompted) says 'it was my#mom' and then starts telling the story#like. SCREAM. i have. so many thoughts on dealing w jay's grief#also ik sheila doesnt hold out her hand for jason to take but i do like the idea of it bc the symbolism of it to canon of talia holding#jasons hand when shes taking him to the pit and also helping him escape. led to death vs led to healing

from @fantastic-nonsense:

#thinking about how literally not even bruce knows about Sheila#like...he knows that Jason FOUND her#and he knows he LEFT Jason there while he ran off to chase down the truck (while telling him to take no action until he got back)#but he actually has no idea how Jason got inside that warehouse#about how Sheila manipulated him and told him it was safe#or that Sheila was actively working with the Joker and not just being massively blackmailed#sooooooooooo much about how the events of DitF are treated in the aftermath is fucked up#but there is this big in-universe info gap that REALLY hurts because it's basically impossible for Bruce to actually know what happened#(and so he's left to make his own conclusions...because neither Jason nor Sheila are alive to tell him differently)#which like...okay that's a contributing factor BUT ALSO#Bruce blamed *himself* for years because of that gap and then later writers started victim-blaming Jason for his own death...sick#anyway every bit of this meta is ON POINT thanks y'all#jason todd#jason todd meta#bruce wayne#bruce wayne meta

... does bruce know that sheila was jason's bio-mom? i can't remember sorry

from @onehaleofanadventure:

#jason todd#dc started the bad robin story from the very beginning with Jason#it was an inevitability with the street rat angle#and the poll to kill him#it was never about him being reckless#just him not being Dick Grayson

from @emilfish:

#it hurts so much to think about how much jason is blamed for his violent death#like a CHILD was BETRAYED by a person he was supposed to be able to trust#my biggest complaint in most adaptions is that his death is simplified into him getting killed because he went after the joker#when the whole point of his death was that he was trying to help his mother and she intentionally sold him out to save herself.#and when the woman who watched him get horribly tortured was in danger? he still tried to save her.#he died trying to help a person most people probably wouldnt want to save and dc has the fucking nerve to call him reckless and cruel#sorry for the rant i just have so many feelings about jasons death and the fact that his memory was tainted for years in universe and irl#dc

“Jason was reckless because he didn’t wait for backup before going to Sheila” is such a stupid take. He didn’t have backup. Batman had to chase after the truck because that was life or death. Jason had to save Sheila because he knows the Joker wouldn’t just let her live. Jason didn’t care about stopping the Joker as much as he did saving Sheila, hence why he went to talk to her outside of the warehouse instead of going in to kick Joker’s ass.

If this decision qualifies “recklessness” to be a defining train of Jason’s, then I hope you all understand that every Bat is now reckless by nature. That’s what you’re saying. Because all of them (provided we give them all parents that have no training & are just average people) would have done the same thing, especially at that age. Any of them, and I’ll stand by that. Especially Bruce or Dick or Tim. Someone said that us saying Jason isn’t reckless, as proven by this choice, is fans seeing everything in black & white, is or isn’t. But if that’s the stand you’re going to take, be prepared to explain to me why technically reckless decisions made by other Bats don’t qualify them as reckless (no, “they didn’t die” is not a valid answer when we all that Jason would have found a way out if Starlin didn’t hate him).

Every character makes stupid decisions sometimes, they would be boring as hell if they stuck to a prescribed list of traits. That doesn’t mean that every decision is an accurate measure of any character’s tendency for any one trait, especially when there was more than just “recklessness” involved in that decision. The situation itself had other factors besides just Jason “not thinking something through”. Why is it that people only say fans are thinking in black and white when it comes to people saying that [insert something that makes Jason seem like The Bad Robin] isn’t all his character is? Regardless, reducing characters to singular traits based on one decision, despite every interpretation of Jason (pre & post-crisis) before Starlin contradicting that?

More to the point, every Bat has to be reckless. Half the shit they walk into is guaranteed to kill them! Even planning gives them less than a fair chance! They have to take risks, and they do, all the time. Jason’s not the only one to have ever made a reckless decision (because yes, it was reckless of him, but it was his only option because he knew Joker’s unstable & Sheila was in immediate danger). Everyone’s so stuck on labelling everyone with one word traits, and basing that off singular incidents. Characters don’t work like that. Not dynamic ones, at least.

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tags from @a-common-haitian-name:

#all while he was FIFTEEN mind you#like even if Jason fought crime on the daily for three years he was still a kid… that fucks anyone up and to act like Jason was supposed to#act completely rational (which the standards for that were decided by Bruce but that’s another convo)#is stupid and completely erases any nuance from the situation and gives no understanding to Jason as a character#like that would mess even grown men up but we expect to see this CHILD Jason was a CHILD act completely normal and move on with his life??#especially when you take into consideration the theory that Jason himself is also a survivor of c-s-a that dc has been hinting at for years#it really gives a different perspective to his character and actions#and for people to act like his actions werent understandable#not even JUSTIFIED but understandable#is stupid asl and just shows how much ppl hate Jason bc let it have been Tim or Dick or Bruce or literally anyone who wasn’t Jason#and see how ppl would try and defend them from those same actions#which I’m not saying they shouldn’t bc even if it was the same situation I’m not going to say what they did would be wrong#but when that same courtesy isn’t given to Jason it’s hypocritical#something something rant about classism something something Jason is treated unfairly something something Jason deserves better#something something let Jason’s trauma be explored with the respect it deserves 222#dc#sorry for the long rant I just can’t stand the slander for Jason when it comes to this#jason todd

Looking back at the Diplomat’s Son and the beginning issue of a Death in the Family, it’s really difficult not to question Starlin’s own beliefs on several topics he covered. We all know his intention was to write Jason as unlikeable in order to kill him off and get rid of Robin. Using that as context, I have a hard time not being disgusted with his choice do that by making Jason act angrily and violently in response to a serial rapist, whose victim he saw the body of after she had just killed herself, and a child porn ring. Him possibly pushing/watching Garzonas fall without catching him, and him beating up the latter group of criminals (not in a manner more violent than Batman or Nightwing have done) being what’s supposed to make us dislike him seems like an, at best, tasteless choice.

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@aalghul's tags:

#literally how the ga crossover went#bruce: i forgot to mention he outsmarted me & everyone else for months & I played into his plan the entire time#ollie: you’re the worst person i have ever known

@shinyshammie's tags:

#Bruce: all I have left after Jason’s kicked my ass five ways to Sunday for the 50th time is my pride#Bruce: and admitting Jason is terrifyingly competent to the point that he had all of Gotham dancing to his tune would kill that pride#Bruce: time to lie#Bruce: it’s Oliver so it should be fine#now when Damian calls Jason the emotional one#I’m going to assume it’s done with excessively concealed admiration#Damian: Todd does everything Father says should make him a monster and yet is one of the most human of us all#Damian: no wonder Mother adopted him#Damian: does Father know Mother has adopted Todd#Damian: trick question I don’t actually care but I’m not telling him when I can mock him for being the inferior Batman instead#is he referring to Dick as the better Batman?  Himself?  Cassandra? Bruce will never know#DC#Red Hood#Jason Todd#Green Arrow#Oliver Queen#Batman#Bruce Wayne

I like to think that the batfamily is always complaining about how Jason is so hot headed and impulsive and reckless to the rest of the vigilante community. So before they actually meet Jason, they think he's this loud, brash guy who's always yelling and shooting at people's heads without a thought. But when they actually meet him, he's quiet, pensive, and everything he does is calculated and strategically executed. The vigilante community realizes that he's a Bat™ through and through, he's just the most impetuous out of all the brood when compared to the rest of the Bats™ and that really says something about the batfamily huh?