#avmath

[fp-am]

hear me out on this one

What if in Seconds dreams (AvP, AvMath, AvGeo) the cowboy version of himself is a manifestation of his powers, and each episode is a journey of self discovery and acceptance of his creativity, going through obscure memories to tell him that he can handle everything that’s going on.

Cowboy Second guides him through everything and gives him reassurance that his friends and dad are coming to get him soon.

Just a thought to chew on

[flowerbarrel-art]

(Original screenshots)

[inksandpensblog]

#it does feel trippy#even tho its based on real phenomena and equations#it's so dream like#i admit this episode i felt more confused than i did with the math episode XD

Same XD I could actually follow along with AvMath somewhat, whereas with AvPhysics it felt more like I was just along for the ride.

But I have several friends who are saying that they understood AvPhysics on that level while AvMath was the one they had to just ride along for, so I think it might just be a subjective experience based on our grasp of the material.

For the new Episode

The entire time I felt high during all of that. I think Orange accidentally took something, and is zonked out on the couch while the others are freaking out 😭

[irislunace]

I Love Us

Honestly, I'm so, so very glad AvA is the first fandom I've actually been an active participant in.

LONG RANT INCOMING

Throughout the years, I have "been in fandoms", but I never felt like posting my own art or works, commenting on vids (i didn't have a youtube account back then, still don't), or being anything other than a silent observer.

Back in March, when I came home from that math competition, and found AvMath in my recommendeds, and just clicked on it, I did not expect to get dragged into a fandom about stick figures, of all things. I remember watching AvPhysics directly after, then finding "Wanted", and watching it with no context. I remember going to the wiki, seeing all of the content that was made, and and binging AvM and the actual shorts and literally everything else.

And most of all, I remember thinking, "I wish I could just erase all of this from my mind and experience the magic all over again."

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In May, I took a chance and went to Ao3. I knew it was a site to post fanfiction, but it had never been something I was interested in. But I was just curious, to see if fanfiction about this amazing fandom really existed. I didn't have an account, no; I think I just wanted to see.

There were about 1600-1700 fics on there about AvA, during that time. I didn't know how hits worked or kudos worked, but I just remember scrolling down until I could find something that looked like a lot of people had liked it.

And even then, I clearly remember the first fic I touched. "Identity", by LeenaFreeBird (I'll link it at the bottom). I absolutely loved it. I spent the rest of the month simply reading, and consuming all of the cool hcs, learning what fan terms meant, having an idea for my own fic that I thought, back then, I could never write.

Because I didn't.

I never made an account or wrote. I never left comments because part of me though people without an account wouldn't be able to, and that was just habit, at this point.

And even though I stepped slightly away from there in the months of June and July (we were in the process of moving halfway across the country, I had just watched the new Demon Slayer season, and upon recommendation had binged all of Haikyuu in a week), I always made sure to keep updated on whatever new AvA/M videos had been posted.

In August, I went back on Ao3.

SO MANY AMAZING FICS HAD BEEN WRITTEN IN THE SPAN I WAS AWAY.

I remember binging all of them for the month. I sat alone at lunch (as I was new I didn't have any friends), just reading them on my phone and getting sucked back into there.

In September AvI began. On a whim I logged back into my tumblr account that I had made like 5 years ago in 4th grade to post random rambling stuff about my life (I tagged nothing but my username wth), and redid my entire blog. I was sooo happy when one of my posts reached 100 notes.

I felt way stronger, and way braver. I joined the invite queue for Ao3, because I decided I DID want an account, and I DID want to post my own fics.

And everyone was (and is) SO NICE about it. They love my fics and posts (which I still consider really crappy, btw) to pieces, and always give me good comments. Even my bad fanart (another thing I got the courage to post during this time). Shipping wars never happen here (if they did, I wouldn't know about it). Rarepairs are appreciated, and we unanimously know the ships that should be completely illegal (not naming ship names here).

Everything and everyone is loved, and this is like the one little corner of the Internet where mostly all is safe and your opinion is valued. Sure, your fan theory may be wrong, but people here don't go and tell you "that's so stupid lol, no way that's true". They'll give you actual feedback, explain the evidence that falsifies it, or add to it because they like it.

Even on YouTube, if someone posts a yellue ship video, for example, they'll get hate, or "the color quad are just siblings lol", or "they r stickmen why are u shipping them". If someone HCs Blue as a girl (ik that's been debunked where we are at rn), they'll get a comment saying "it's stickman for a reason".

Like, let people have their opinions. Alan has never confirmed the color quad as siblings, or their origin story. I know he has said that he would like to avoid romance by not making female characters, but it's not like the people who ship yellue or grapeduo barge up to his door and demand he makes it canon. They're just peaceful, and everything that you're saying is fanon. For all we know, four different animators could have collabed on the sticksfight website and each animated a different character (not saying that's true, but we don't know).

And even with hollowhead pairs. Alan created them, yes, but how does Creator transfer to father in this scenario? We don't know, because he hasn't confirmed the hollowheads as siblings either. They still get hate on YouTube.

But Tumblr just loves everyone. The AvA community, for example, will always make you feel like you posted something good. They lift you up, not put you down. They appreciate your headcanons because it provides a new way of looking at things.

They appreciate you.

I feel so much better about putting myself out there, and I know I will do so more in the future. I now cannot comprehend how someone can see all of this content and think "they are just stick figures". No they aren't. They are stick figures with trauma, feelings, pain, heroic qualities, fatal flaws.

You, tumblr, makes me feel this way.

Thank you so much.

(I did not expect to rant about my entire journey when I was supposed to be talking about how amazing the AvA tumblr fandom is, but now that I have I'll just keep it. Here's the fic I was talking about)

[thevalleyoftriumph]

i feel like i'm going crazy and you're the only ava guy i follow do you have a playlist of the series in order i want to watch it but its a struggle out here

OH BOY YOU'RE IN LUCK! i have actually a playlist [or six] i made myself that i made in chronological order! with numbers beside which ones id recommend watching in which order

[HERE] is the playlist for AvA [1]

[HERE] is the playlist for AvM [2/3]

[HERE] is the playlist for every single actual short [5]

[HERE] is the playlist for all of the "Animation vs [Blank]" videos in upload order [ie, AvMath, AvYoutube, etc] [2/3]

[HERE] is the playlist for the green influencer arc [4], with [THIS] being a playlist for all of Green's videos on their channel, specifically, in chrono order [5]

important notes;

watching AvA up until Ava4, and THEN watching AvM, before moving on to Showdown onwards is honestly probably [in my opinion] the best way to watch the main two series, but thats just me personally based off how i THINK the in-universe order works [and also watching AvM lets you get attached to the color squad before Showdown. so. ^_^]

regardless, AvA is the BEST starting series, as its relatively short, and introduces everyone. AvM is 100% the best secondary series, BUT can be watched third in place of the Av[Blank] videos, as they can both be seen without too much previous context

the ACTUAL shorts are more supplumentary content, and thus dont NEED to be seen if you dont want to watch 70-something shorts [and possibly more, i havent checked yet today if alan made any new ones i have to add]

and lastly, the influencer arc should probably be watched last just by way of it being the Absolute Most Recent one

if anyone ever wants to share around any of these playlists, go ahead! i made them specifically for people to use to easily watch any AvA/M video, and also for my friends to easily get into the series! i update them with new videos as fast as i can, but i might be a bit late depending on When the videos get uploaded. however comma, rest assured that basically everything is there!

[zkylearnstherope]

AvGeometry [An Analysis]

Disclaimer: This is a very short Analysis for Animation vs. Geometry by Alan Becker. I am not a geometer, (according to Merriam-Webster, a person who specializes in geometry) this purely for fun.

First of all, I will NOT explain everything in the video. I will just focus on answering a few questions to which I found the answer for. I also have some conclusions at the end.

I will leave the in-depth explanations of everything to those YouTubers. Also, I have linked my sources using hyperlinks.

So, let's get into it- shall we?

Let's start with-

Which version of TSC is the main character for this one?

If you read my AvPhysics Analysis, you would realize that I named the TSC with the cowboy hat TSC_0 of Universe D.

Since the start of the AvGeometry video, I immediately realized that this is NOT the same guy from AvMath, since he didn't show signs of aggressiveness with phi Φ.

He's more curious versus the guy in AvMath who attacked Euler's Identity immediately. This is also the same guy who spawned in AvPhysics, TSC_0.

I think this MC is a TSC from a different Universe. I will call him TSC_0 of the AvG Universe.

Now you might ask yourself, why did I gave him the 0 designation?

Because the video ended with another TSC knocking at the point.

Now, you might argue, that this is not a perfect loop because there is a line below the point. While the start of the video, doesn't have that line.

You are right. Again, if you read my AvPhysics Analysis, I said that the TSCs in there are not stuck in a time loop.

It's just an infinite cycle that happens to different versions of them. Everyone spends only a short amount of time inside the singularity.

So the next TSC to arrive will not be TSC_0 but TSC_1.

How did TSC and phi Φ beat that Boss?

To start, let's define a few things. Click the hyperlinks to view my source.

Polyhedron - is any three-dimensional figure with flat faces that are polygons. They intersect at straight, linear edges. The edges themselves intersect at points called vertices.

Tetrakis Hexahedron - It is a Catalan Solid with 24 isosceles triangle faces and 14 vertices. It is the d24 die. It is also a 3-dimensional polyhedron, not 4D.

Now, first of all, the Boss is not 4D. It is two Tetrakis Hexahedrons overlapping each other and rotates at different speeds.

Platonic Solids - a convex polyhedron that is regular, in the sense of a regular polygon. These are also 3D shapes. There are Five Platonic Solids

Note that this not the original image from the website, but I rearranged the rows to highlight my points. I also added the dice names, incase you're more familiar with DnD.

In fighting the Boss, TSC and phi Φ started with lines that has 2 vertices or points. Then they slowly moved to the Platonic Solids, eventually defeating the Boss using a dodecahedron.

The Boss had 14 vertices vs the dodecahedron that had 20.

Now, I can't really say why more vertices is superior. It could be structural integrity, or the idea that the universe's topology and shape, references the shape of dodecahedron.

Or, that the golden ratio is the length from the vertex to the center of the dodecahedron, and is also the ratio of the diagonal of the pentagonal face as demonstrated in the video.

The Hyperdodecahedron and Singularity

Hyperdodecahedron aka 120-cell is the convex regular 4-polytope (four-dimensional analogue of a Platonic solid.) It is the 4-dimensional analogue of the regular dodecahedron. It has 720 pentagonal faces and 600 vertices.

It's basically 4D dodecahedron.

According to ChatGPT, in higher-dimensional geometry and theoretical physics, singularities often refer to points or regions where certain physical quantities become infinite or undefined.

Here's how I see it. If that yellow dot is indeed a singularity, the only explanation I could come up with, is at some point, the hyperdodecahedron's infinite insides would shrink to a single point in its 4-dimensional space.

Fractals

Now I think these are fractals by I cannot be sure. Also, I couldn't get a definite answer as to how fractals would be relevant to singularities.

What I got from ChatGPT were related to the event horizon instead.

That irregularities of the event horizon might have fractal patterns or exhibit fractal characteristics in its shape when examined at a different (smaller) scale.

The visual and structural complexity of the event horizon evoke fractal-like qualities.

Now, this Analysis is a lot shorter, and also inconclusive. I did try my best. My brain is now mush.

[inksandpensblog]

Alan has always said that the sticks are “like kids,” but he’s also always said so specifically in reference to their neuroplasticity. It’s not an age-marker, for the sticks, that’s just how their brains work.

So as long as they pick up new concepts as rapidly as small children are capable of doing, they can be whatever age you want, whether that’s young adults or teenagers or actual small children.

Guys Alan said it’s been 10-12 years since their creation (which is literal, AvA4 aired in 2014) not that they’re 10-12 years old in terms of cognitive age—

[avactors]

A quick rundown of the AU

In this AU "Animation vs" is a franchise consisting of movies (AvA), spinoff TV series (AvM), several specials (AvMath and AvPhysics) and webisodes (Actual Shorts). Outside of them every character are their own person with a different name, free to partake in other movies and interviews.

All characters are implied to be human and male, but you're free to interpret all of the writing as you wish.

Writing masterlist:

AvA6 trailer interview - Victim

AvA30 interview - King and Purple

AvA4 debut interview - The Color Gang

Characters:

Since all of the characters are real people, it's only fair that they would have real names as well. For now all of the real names will be labeled as "[character name]" for the ease of consumption.

Alan Becker - Director and one of the writers of the franchise, concept of which he had created during his senior year of college.

Victim - A rather well-established actor due to being one since early age, but one that suddenly disappeared from all the media after AvA1's sudden sucess, only coming back in the latest 6th installment. The reasons why he disappeared stay unknown

The Chosen one - A medium level actor, who directors always seek to hire together with [TDL] due to their on-screen chemistry and dynamic. Almost exclusively plays positive heroes, so AvA's role was a new experience for him.

The Dark Lord - Started his career at the same time as [Chosen], quite often auditioning for the same roles, which ended up in half-joking bickering behind the scenes, in which directors saw potential, hiring both to be opposing eachother as a hero and a villain. He is essnetially a real-life foil for [Chosen], even if they became good friend over such a long time working together.

The Second Coming - Has essentially zero roles before AvA, but is a long-term fan of the franchise, making an impression on Alan with his extensive knowledge of the franchise and sometimes over-the-top energy.

Red - Is the youngest of the Color Gang (they still have this name and it still was given by the fandom, they're just aware of it now) and so far didn't really play any major roles aside from one child comic relief in a series that had recently ended, making this his first serious role.

Yellow - The second oldest in the main gang, already had minor roles in a few movies, sharing some with [Blue] as well. That is his first time in the lead role, however.

Green - Is hardly an actor, only having appeared in sports shows on TV and online, but, being a fan of the franchise, he couldn't pass an opportunity. Refused to get a double and ended up making all of his stunts by himself. (Yellow and Green are both anime lovers and more often than not wear anime merch to interviews, making sure to match when they get interviewed together)

Blue - Wasn't actually that interested in auditioning, but after [Yellow]'s recommendation was taken to play the part. The part of Blue being a good cook actually came from [Blue], making all of his lunches for himself. Quite often sneaks out "netherwart" from the set. Other actors joke about him being actually addicted to it. (Netherwarts are an edible prop, made of sugar candy)

Purple - A rising star of the industry and a son of late [Orchid]. Was invited to star in the AvM series by Alan. Purple's backstroy in the series was partly inspired by [Purple]'s actual life events.

King Orange - An old-school actor, known and lowed by the fans, who was also invited in the series by Alan, but joined because of [Purple] and pressure from [Gold]. Is new to the series format, only really taking part in movies before AvM.

Gold - Is actually [King]'s son, who insisted on trying to play the part of Gold in the series and, much to his father's disstress, got the role. Essentially grew up with the franchise, so was extremely excited to be able to play. Also was brought to the set by [King] several times and grew really close to Purple who is much older, even calling him "brother".

[Orchid] - An actress and a singer who had died when [Purple] was just a teen, leaving him almost completely alone. Used to be good friends with [King], and also often brought [Purple] to various sets and got him to become an actor in future. (Her death resulted in [King] essencially adopting [Purple] as [Navy] was nowhere to be found)

The list of characters will be updated as new ones make an appearance.

[i3utterflyeffect]

Regarding the Outernet school thing,I like to think that formalized education for stick figures is just throwing them into an AvMath-esque pocket space and letting them fend for themselves—it would fit with their general fighting culture. That said, the culture shock moving to the Outernet must be crazy...

GOD.... the teachers find him hiding in the corner of the void absolutely terrified. he comes back and begs chosen to never make him go to stick school again lol--

[wowieeitsisa]

AVPHYSICS SPOILERS

I don’t have much to comment, it was EXTREMELY beautiful and well made

But mostly I want to do a silly comparison to AvMath

Math are creatures, I TOTALLY SEE MATH BEING A CREATURE, while Physics is a whole new adventure with a far deeper meaning, because you see, physics IS studying how things work, it EXPLORES the world in that matter and that’s so fucking beautiful y’all

[jijjmoon]

AvPhysic spoiler

Not spoiler first:

Yay! A sequel of the episode that made me enter this fandom.

I just realized that I liked physic too. (tbh, I like science)

Edit: No idea why but I'm currently searching about physic in whole internet

And spoiler

TSC can survive nearly everything: Second survived inside of black hole while apple is being spaghetti

TSC is a god: Second created whole universe then what is Alan? god of god?

Multiverse exist: And it made loop

+ Edit: It's loop, but it also continue after AvMath, after Second enter the white sphere and move to other space or sth And the lasso.... unless it doesn't harm anybody

+ Edit2: While I'm searching internet, I found superstring theory. I think the place where the second Second(?) lived is the extra dimension.

[frog-man-blog]

I think this counts as minor spoilers for AvMath

Is it just me, or is the fact that we have no idea how he even got into the math void, makes this funny

Bro FR spawned in 😭😭😭

[scavenger-toll]

crazy theory that probably makes no sense, but what if AVMATH took place before everything? like before AvA IV? no clue why Orange would be in Math Hell™️, but what if the white portal led Orange to gain his independence from the animation program? it could explain why Alan and the gang weren’t there.

Either that or Alan wanted to vent his frustrations on math. idk.

[inksandpensblog]

[me, seeing the AvGeometry thumbnail]: they’re finally doing Fibonacci

(also I must say that desk mats are the most appropriate merch for this series ever)

okay there’s no excuse not to make fanart anymore now that we know we can just make a single colored line, we don’t even have to make a whole stickfigure this is taking “golden ratio” literally

oh neat so that’s why φ moved like that in AvMath. I’d thought it seemed like it was moving on a line and I was right, we just couldn’t see the line then

this is when I realized how happy I was and I had to remind myself that I hate doing math

oh the inside of the shape goes golden too. φ can leave the lines and float inside it when it does, which is interesting

I’m curious if Euler told Fibonacci about Orange at all, I can’t tell if φ is messing with Orange for fun or showing him who’s boss or just over-excited and going on a visual info-dump about its interests

what

why is it dubstep

what is this thing supposed to be?! I don’t remember learning about anything like this in math

that spiral was so satisfying though. never would’ve expected it to be accompanied by a fade-out from dubstep

OH THEY’RE SYNCHING NOW. THEY’RE CHOREOGRAPHING TO THE BEAT

I replayed the drawing of the glider several times, the sounds in that sequence just fell into place perfectly

math having a natural enemy is such a strange concept to entertain XD

the way the pentagon fractals when it breaks

Orange crafting again

ooh what do the other colors mean?

CONTINUITY?!

[nesiclor]

I have an odd feeling that Green will somehow bring up the "9 + 10" meme in AvMath.

He just seems like the kind of person.

[zkylearnstherope]

AvPhysics - An Analysis [Part 1]

[Part 1] - Part 2 - Part 3 - Part 4

Disclaimer: This will only be a surface-level analysis for Animation vs. Physics. If you expect something more in-depth, you have to wait for the physicists.

Let's get into it- shall we?

Obviously, TSC spawns from the e✖iT Euler's Identity made in the end of AvMath. For the sake of this analysis, let's call this one, TSC_0.

One minute upon arrival, TSC_0 didn't have any personal goal/objective, so he was just running around. This also demonstrates the accuracy of the UI Formula Thing (UFT) that shows up on the screen.

That is, until he found this ball, and then the others after it. Which we eventually realize, all came from The Singularity. Something or someone is trying to get his attention. He needs to reach the Singularity.

The first thing he realizes is, "Dang, this is gonna take a while".

Also, space is dark because there is no sun- specifically, no solar system.

Okay, new goal. We need to get faster. But how?

Side Note: Animation vs. Frequency? Animation vs. Color Theory? Animation vs. Sound Waves?

A Solar System (with its own star/sun) spawns in. He did not reach it, it spawned in. It literally did NOT exist prior to the flashlight.

He utilizes the space maneuver called the Gravity Assist. Also called the Slingshot Effect. It's where you use a planet's gravity, by moving around it (but not entering it) to gain significant speed.

Most sci-fi stories use this maneuver to save on propulsion and to change/correct the course of the spacecraft.

UFT shows that he got faster now, but it's still not enough.

So he does it again with two faster-orbiting planets. Gaining more speed in the process.

He was supposed to make impact with the sun here, although I'm not sure why he didn't. It's probably because a sun along with its own solar system moves through the galaxy. They don't stay in one place.

For example: Our Solar System orbits the Milky Way Galaxy for about 230 million years, which is also called a cosmic year.

And by moving around the sun but NOT hitting it, gave him even more speed.

Here's his speed upon exiting the solar system.

He eventually reached 1% of the speed of light. Yep, that whole almost-dying-in-the-sun process, is still not enough to get anywhere.

Magnets spawns in. Again, they did NOT exist prior to this.

"Hmm... we can use this," he says.

Step 1: Let's magnetize the crap out of this rocket.

Step 2: Enter the magnet gates.

Step 3: We get a magnetic linear accelerator, which utilizes the opposing magnetic fields to propel/launch objects at high speeds. Initially thought this was a particle accelerator, but turns out that's a whole different thing.

And now we reached 80% of the speed of light.

If you're still following me... good news, we have reached half of the video.

Cool graphics, 'cause why not.

Around this point, TSC_0 experiences Time Dilation. This is important for later.

This is because he has now left the galaxy.

More sci-fi stuff. Everything starts to look more red.

Red-looking black hole.

Something hits him on the head. How is this possible?

Oh no, my apple. Take note, that the apple glows red whenever gravity is messing with it.

Goodbye world, my apple needs me.

Aww... Turns out there is a photo limit per post.

Here's [Part 2].