#ask: hurrem sultan

[crazerk]

Our Mc can be like Hurrem Sultan?

She’s one of my major inspirations tbh.

[horizon-verizon]

Hurrem and Kosem would’ve yelled at show Rhaenyra and Alicent once and these two would’ve cried themselves to sleep because HOTD doesn’t know how to handle ambitious women in power ready to spill blood, they’d rather have the consort and the heir spend the season crying and suffering WEAK ASS 🥺🥺 EMOJI ASS DOORMATS this fandom need to shut the fuck up with feminine soft power I don’t want the throne I don’t want bloodshed let my sons be beaten up in front of me like passive ass rhetoric have these writers ever heard of backbones ???

It’s so refreshing to watch Magnificent Century or even The White Queen because those women ARE NOT PASSIVE AND PALATABLE, most women on these shows would stop at nothing and have no moral qualms whatsoever in pursuing their own agenda. They have fire in them that comes out one way or another, they feel real, they aren’t just classic art teary doe eyed pinterest pale aesthetics barely alive on screen.

You have no fucking idea how much I love The White Queen & the White Princess...like, the whole thing, for some of its flaws, was fucking art.

And I agree with you! Elizabeth Woodville in that show, she had her flaws and her revenge was intellectually terrible...doesn't mean I couldn't understand nor that she wasn't a character I could recognize as a human being with their own thought processes and the writers managed to make her feel so real. I want real people, not characters made to make me or certain others (HotD's case, centrists and sexists and liberals) feel comfortable.

[alicentsultana]

Hi! Sorry if im bothering you ,but since i will probably start the magnificent century ,i thought i could ask you question.

So ,ive seen a lot of Rhaenyra stans being baffled about the Hurrem .Alicent comparisons (Or Alicunt ,as they call her) .

Since i trust your opinion more than theirs ,what are your thoughts?

Have a good day and cant wait for your fic!

Hi! You're never a bother, don't worry.

So, mc is a roller-coaster ride get ready for your feelings.

Hurrem is a like a natural fenomenon, and the character in the series is based in rumors and short descriptions and considerations made from ambassador at the time she was alive. But I believe she experience the feminist kween effect like Elizabeth I, Anne Boleyn, Mary Stuart , Catherine of Aragon and many others because of media exacerbation, when in fact they were just elitist women of their own time (no bashing, just a reminder). So i can understand the rhnr stans going feral over her.

The comparisons between Hurrem and Alicent you kind of can see an outline - innocent girl have to please the guy in charge and do things she doesn't want to do to protect herself and her children's right.

Alicent is a Lady, she have resources, and Hurrem was a peasant turned slave, that after some many slaps she finally managed to be respected and gain the title of sultana. Both had to learn how to stand for themselves alone and think about their survival and their children only, no matter the damages. In this story we can make a mention of how Hatice can be compared to rhnr - but you guys are not ready for this discussion yet (I'm waiting patiently for this day).

I understand why everyone is obsessed with Hurrem, I am too, and all because she was doomed by the narrative, she had to literally rise from the ashes and call it a day, did everything she could to become free, killed some people and cried for others, and she did it all serving face and looks, hairs, and a ton of personality.

She is not a good girl, she is the antagonist, she is there to make other people angry, she is there to look at you and almost whisper "I win". You can't help but simply adore her because of all of this things she is.

Anyway, everyone should at least get to know Hurrem, I believe is worth it, and in my opinion she is kind of a water divisor idk I just get this vibe there is a world before magnificent century and a world after it.

Enjoy! And don't fall into kween crap trap

I'm so excited for the fic too skskdkdkdkdkd though there's still a long way to go

[theresnothingformehere]

Favourite episode of MC?

Omg, that's such a hard questioooon

But if I haaad to choose one I think it definitely is episode number 13 (I had to look up the number), when Ibrahim returns to Parga

I know you hate him and you know I love him hahahaha But yeah, that episode it's special to me because one of Ibrahim's traits that I love and I love all kind of feelings he shows related to that it's his feeling of not belonging, his feeling of missing home and wanting to go back and BE NORMAL, have a life, the kind of life I know he wants. Also that constant battle he has his whole life between wanting that and also LOVING POWER and being the grand vizier. Anyway I love that episode because I see him just being a man, hurting, missing, loving. It shows his soul. AND I WANTED SO BAD FOR HIM TO JUST STAY IN PARGA FOR GOOD LEAVE HIM ALONE, AND HOW SULEYMAN TAKES THAT AWAY FROM HIM AGAIN ITSSSSS, I think it hurts him so much, it hurt me so much when they made him go back, but I love that part too? hahaha

Anyway, I have to rewatch to remember better, but yeah. I love episode 1 too. Episodes where there is Nigar x Ibrahim content. Episodes where there are juicy fights/arguments between Hurrem and Ibrahim. I like episodes where Hurrem have some victories, like when she marries Suleyman or when she becomes the one in charge of the harem. Believe it or not, I love her but I hate her when she hurts Ibrahim. But I love her. But I hate her hahaha I'm a little biased because of how much I love Ibrahim and my little crush on him (think of Nigar here lool). I also like the……last episode of Ibrahim because yeah, I suppose I like to suffer and also see how much he means to Suleyman and to Hurrem (as her favorite enemy lmao) and to everyone..

Tysm for asking, love you <3

[sultanaswardrobe]

Why don't you like s4!hurrem? I'm just curious

I think it's the actress's fault, it's not the same hurrem as in previous sesons. But I'm not saying that actress who played hurrem in s4 is bad, for me she just dont fit the personality of hurrem. But it's only my opinion and my love for meryem ;) <3

[fastlikealambo]

The third wife of rhaenyra targaryen.|| rhaenyra targaryen x black!fem reader

In the five years since Queen Rhaenyra The Conqueror, Bringer of New Valyria, triumphed over the usurper without losing a single dragon, the realm is at peace. Having no need of husbands and taking two other wives, Queen Alicent and Queen Mysaria, the dragon queen is in need of a third and final wife to rule the seven kingdoms at her side.

You were just a girl from nowhere, watching the sky fill with dragons at peace, destined to be a scullery maid in a vicious household and the future wife of a ratcatcher until fate and blood decide your future for you. 

History will remember Rhaenyra Targaryen as the great unifier, the second coming of Visenya Targaryen who brought another golden age of dragons out of war. But they will sing songs of you, the smallfolk who ascended to fire and blood as the queen’s favorite, the one they tried to kill so many times, the third wife of rhaenyra targaryen.

Some notes: Aegon, Aemond, and Daemon are dead but their dragons were saved, and Otto Hightower and Criston Cole spontaneously combusted, I don’t know what to tell yall. Luke lived, Jace lived, Helaena lived, Jaehaerys lived, Baela and Rhaena are happy goddammit.  During the short war, Rhaenyra married Mysaria and one year after the dance of dragons ended, she also married Alicent.

Some other notes: This is dark and I drew some inspiration from Cinderella and Hurrem Sultan (the fictional representation of her from the show's magnificent century but nobody I know watches that show). Rhaenyra is in her thirties and reader is in her twenties. 

Trigger warnings for violence, murder, abuse. MINORS DNI

Chapter One.

Chapter Two: All that you are is transformed.

 “I wish to be anointed.”

   “Anointed?” 

The question did not come from Princess Rhaenys but from Queen Rhaenyra herself, who sat forward on the throne. You dared to allow your eyes to meet hers and her gaze, though formidable, was not cold, simply curious. 

  “I’m smallfolk, Your Grace.  I do not carry the rank or protection of a house, everything you see before you is all that I am. To be by your side would be a blessing, not only to me, but to those who serve you, to all smallfolk. Anoint me, Your Grace, and you anoint yourself.”

Where in all the gods did that come from?

Didn’t matter.

    “Shall we continue on, Your Grace?” Rhaenys asked but Queen Rhaenyra lifted her hand and beckoned you closer.

 You forced one foot in front of the other until you were in front of the dragon queen, your face reflecting in the famed sword Dark Sister, the queen rested one hand on its hilt, the other was outstretched to you.

No, you would not go back to mending dresses and waiting for good bread. You would not die today, not tomorrow, nor the next day.

 You bowed before Rhaenyra and her hand found your cheek, a calloused thumb brushed away your tears. 

   “You believe yourself capable to rule next to me? To forsake all that you have known, all that you are, to be mine and only mine, my lady?”

No one had called you their lady before, much less a lady.

   For your mother, for yourself, you took Rhaenyra’s hand that held your face and put it over your heart.

     “All I ask is for my mother to be safe and never know hunger again. With that I’m yours, Your Grace.”

  You released the queen, only then remembering there were other people in the throne room.

Perhaps you had overestimated yourself, you should have been more demure,curtsied better. Perhaps if you told the truth, confessed that you were wearing a dress stolen from the back of a noble lady you murdered, the queen would show you mercy.

There was no going back now.

Queen Rhaenyra stood and you curtsied again, a sudden storm of fear sweeping over you that calmed when Rhaenyra bent forward and put her lips on your forehead, each cheek,and lastly your lips. 

To know the mouth of the dragon queen was to know The Gods themselves.

  “Send the rest away, I have chosen. “ Rhaeyra ordered and took your hand in hers.

    “I believe the gods have brought you to me for a reason and you will be safe here. Come, we will get you settled in and then I will introduce you to my wives.” Queen Rhaenyra said and suddenly you felt dizzy.

Was this really happening?

Had your fate truly been transformed?

As you two took your leave, a crowd entered the throne room, the not chosen ladies clambering to see who was chosen.

 You spotted your former employer’s daughters and watched their eyes widen at the sight of you on the queen’s arm. They pushed and shoved their way to the front, shrieking.

  “Do you know them?” Princess Rhaenys asked, studying you for a moment.

You made complete and total eye contact with both girls before letting the Queen lead you on.

  “No, I do not believe I do.”

Just a little something to tide you over! Hope you liked it!

@asvterias

@nxcxllxsevens

@newcaptainofsquad9

[i-cant-sing]

i forgot their names already and confuses me, could u like uhhhh idk how to put it like put them more simply like whose son is who 😔😔🙏

OKAAAAYYYY since a lot of u keep asking me about the ottomans, i'll clear this up rn:

Sultan Suleiman has two wives:

First wife: Mahidevran (less fav wife). She gave birth to Mustafa, the eldest child of the sultan, and Mahidevran's only kid, period. Also, he's killed by Suleiman in history, because Mihirmah's future husband frames Mustafa to be a traitor to Suleiman.

Second wife: Hurrem (Suleiman's fav wife). She gave birth to 5 kids (4 sons, 1 daughter), in the order: Mehmed, Mihirmah, Selim, Beyazid, Cihangir. Mehmed dies due to an illness, and he was actually favoured by Suleiman to be his successor. Selim becomes the actual successor of Suleiman, and Beyazid and his sons are executed once Selim is named sultan. Cihangir had a hunchback, and died due to his chronic health issues, but some say that he died due to shock and grief over Mustafa's death.

And thats it!

[gulnarsultan]

Hello! Long time follower and I love your page, especially the Magnificent Century content as no hardly writes for them.

Could it be possible to have a Yandere Sehzade Mustafa and a concubine reader who was brought along with Nurbanu. Like both were supposed to be part of Selim's harem, but Mustafa wanted reader when he saw her and strings were pulled to put reader in Mustafa's harem instead.

Thank you in advance and again, I love your work!

Hello dear. I am so glad to hear this. Thank you.😍🥰😘❤ ​​Unfortunately. There are almost no other blogs that write about Magnificent Century/ Kösem. Sad🥺. I hope you like it dear.💞

You and Cecily were captured and sold to the Ottoman Palace at the same time. Like Cecily, you were also a member of a noble family. Unlike Cecily, you were immediately chosen by Hurrem Sultan to join the harem of her son, Prince Selim. Cecily had to struggle to be chosen. You were taking lessons with you, Nurbanu and a few other concubines for days.

Prince Mustafa noticed you when he came to the Istanbul Palace. Your beauty seemed to tear the Prince's heart out of his chest. Prince Mustafa wasted no time in gathering information about who you were from the Palace staff. When he found out that you were chosen for his brother, Prince Selim, he was furious. He wanted you for himself and he knew he had to do something.

Without wasting any time, he immediately asked for help from his mother Mahidevran Sultan. Mahidevran Sultan did not turn down her son's request and agreed to help. Somehow they prevented you from becoming Prince Selim's concubine. To be honest, you were sad to be separated from your friend Nurbanu. You are going to the Sanjak that he rules with Prince Mustafa.

Prince Mustafa gives you many gifts. He invites you to his bed the most. Prince Mustafa's love, desire and wish for you never runs out. You are the mother of all of Prince Mustafa's children. You have more than one child together.

Prince Süleyman

Prince Ahmed

Nergisşah Sultan

Mihrişah Sultan

Prince Orhan

Handan Sultan

Prince Mehmed

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The Obey Me brothers reacting to a Hurrem Sultan Mc!!

Hurrem Sultan Reader | Yandere Obey Me! 

You’ve worked hard to get what you want. Your position of mere concubine heightened to that of the right hand to the sultan. So that’s why you cursed out Diavolo for bringing you to the devil dom in the first place. That may have something to do with why you were so cold and demanding when you first arrived. But now the seven brothers are at your beck and call, wooed by your intelligence and personality they work to show their love and be the best tools for your reign of RAD: 

Satan 

“As per usual your choice of poetry is truly like none other.”

Is privy to your influence as well as your soulful character

And while he plays hard to get when you ask

He’s more than willing to release his anger on who you point your finger too

After all you are the love of his life

Leviathan

“What’s the passwo-”

“One. Two.”

“I’m coming! I’m coming!”

Your title matches perfectly with your love

Your ruling of a sultan is how he plays a willing servant to you

Accepting your love and careful words as he and lotan act on your every wish

He equates you to the op character in a game that can solve every problem but instead cheers you on as they chuckle at your puny victory

No flood is unwarranted if you so much as thought of it

Mammon

“Woof!”

Is more than honored to be your loyal dog

That returns to dazzle and drape you with his findings

Even if he stole them

He was the first of your demons to fall into their rightful place

So praise him often 

Especially when he gifts you with the ripped horns of some idiotic naysayer

Asmodeus

“Oiya~reward me more (Y/n)!”

Is delighted that you’re so forward with your decision to advise them

He could learn a thing or two from you

To make it so that he’s honored to even lay his head in your lap

Or so jealous of his own fans he contemplates strangling them

But with your soothing kisses surely he won’t murder then

Beelzebub

“Where do you want me to carry your throne?”

He’s a good boy and he appreciates you telling him

While you feed him those human grapes 

He listens and does all that he can 

Usually satisfied with that 

At least it’ll hold him off from eating the demon that gave you a suspicious side-eye

For now

Belphegor

“Hmmm and who was that you were mumbling in your sleep?”

Is a jealous follower that struggles with even his brother’s open obsession 

Will not usually work with mere…words of encouragement

 you need to give him a part of yourself worthy exchange for his service

Perhaps a hummed naptime for those demons to go missing

Lucifer

“As you wish…my sultan.”

He knows what you’re doing 

using your kindness and general influence to rule as best as you can

He’s oddly more willing than he would’ve thought

Not only do you entrance him with your personality but you’re negotiation skills are like none other

Every action you ask of him aligns with his own ambitions 

Somehow  you already know

He will still defend you, outside of your asking

Something Cerberus would be happy to help with if it meant getting a full tummy

[1533-secrets-from-history]

Mistakes in Magnificent century part II

Relationships

1. Suleiman and Hurrem

In the show, they talked about their love a lot, but what they failed about was showing it. It seemed like Hurrem was hopelessly in love with a man of a giant ego, who would bed and even fall for every second woman. Well, that's a huge lie, Suleiman was strictly monogamous to Hurrem, only two concubines were recorded to be sent to him they were gifted by the provincial governor,but they were set to marry by government officials after hurrem threw a tantrum. No more concubines were ever sent to him and Suleiman remained loyal to her ever since. Above that, the abusive relationship depicted in the show is pure drama, Suleiman never banished Hürrem, never asked her to kill herself to test loyalty etc. Their relationship was sensual and mutually convenient as we can see in their letters. However, my personal opinion is that Hurrem's love is a little bit exaggerated in the show, She was ready to kill herself and her children if Suleiman had died. However, I have never had the impression that Hurrem actually loved Suleiman that much, she definitely loved him,but even if the feeling was so big that it exceeded her own life, the love of her children was without a doubt greater, so in my opinion, if Suleiman truly fell ill in near death state, Hürrem's first instinct would have been to secure well being of her children.

2.Ayşe Hafsa Sultan and her in-laws.

In MC, Hafsa clearly prefers Mahidevran over Hürrem,however in real life she understood her own and concubines position did not take sides in their hidden rivalry, as the manager of harem customs demanded that she would treat them according to their ranks, however can be deduced that Hafsa could not help,but have warm feelings towards Hürrem. We don't know the reasons, perhaps she liked her personality, enjoyed her company, respected her as the mother of 6 grandchildren or just loved her because she and her son loved each other so much. But one thing is clear, she was tolerating Hürrem more than any mother in law ever would, especially in her position. Their "special" relationship can be indicated by events of 1526. The provincial governor sent two concubines, one for Hafsa and one for Suleiman, Hafsa did an absolutely natural thing to prepare concubine for Suleiman and even gift her own one to him, that caused Hürrem to throw a tantrum and Hafsa, seeing Hürrem in that state, felt sorry for what she had done, sent concubines back and set them to marry other governors. That particular event gives us two assumptions: 1. Hafsa loved Hürrem enough to feel sorry for doing nothing wrong,just fulfilling her duties. 2. Hurrem's jealousy was not something new for them and she had likely done that before.

3.Hurrem and Mahidevran

First thing I would like to underline is that Mahidevran was never the only woman in Suleiman's life nor was she Haseki Sultan, so at first she would feel no threat from young Hürrem, However, things have changed after 1521, all other children of Suleiman died, Mahidevran became the mother of oldest prince and Hürrem was called to Suleiman again, that could have been humiliating for Mahidevran, because traditions were broken for a woman of inferior rank and now she was clear threat as not juts mother of other prince,but favourite of padişah. All those could cause tense between two women,but never in the history of them Living under the same room have Mahidevran beaten her, kalfas and aghas of harem would not let this occur and even if it did, punishment would have been recorded, so the story told by Venetian ambassador Andrea Navagero is either straight up dramatic lie or juts an exaggeration of tiny conflict that could have occured between two women. Otherwise, they were quite polite to one another and never showed hostility,when they met each other.

4. Relationship between sisters-in-law.

Most of Suleiman's sisters were portrayed against Hürrem for dramatic purposes,which to some extent was interesting but eventually grew boring.

It seems that out of all sisters Hatice was closest to Mahidevran, Şah was closest to Hürrem, beyhan had a very neutral attitude and probably respected both as their ranks demanded, while Fatma had no known interaction with Mahi- devran,but her relationship with Hürrem was stained.

As I have already said, Hatice had a close relationship with Mahidevran and regularly exchanged letters. In one of her letters mahidevran asks Hatice's well being and sends gratitude for the sincere kindness, friendship and compassion she and her husband showed to Mustafa and herself. Which means Hatice could have been either low key supportive to Mustafa or she was just a kind aunt to him. However, no tension between her and Hürrem was recorded, some even say she was great friends with her,but there is no proof for it. Either way, the fact that Hatice's and Hürrem's relationship was rather calm, we can assume that the support Mahidevran thanked her for was not her taking sides,but just expressing compassion towards the eldest nephew.

Second sisters Fatma, had no recorded interaction with Mahidevran,However she indeed had hostility towards Hürrem and Mihrimah, caused by their involvement in execution of her husband Kara Ahmed Paşa( who according to rumors became grand Vizier by Fatma's influence, but while possible, it's not proven). She was finally banished for her intrigues.

Beyhan did not have much of a relationship with either of them, she married quite early so did not spend much time in Manisa, where she could meet Mahidevran and due to the execution of her husband early in Süleiman's reign, she spent most of her life in voluntary exile.

Şah was really close to Hürrem,it is not known if the reason for the good bond was their mutual interest in charity and architecture or they shared some other political views. What is her close relationship with Hürrem, Süleyman and Mihrimah.

5. Gülfem and Hürrem

Before I go to specifically Hürrem and Gulfem, I would like to make a short summary of what the relationship between Gulfem and Suleiman was.

Gülfem was not Süleiman's concubine,but a high ranking harem manager,either promoted cariye or childhood friend of one of Süleiman's sisters. Indication of their close, platonic relationship is the fact that Suleiman entrusted Hürrem to her and she did not have a problem with it, which she would have if Gülfem was indeed a previous concubine. The relationship between her and Padişah was so close that she wrote openly and unofficially in her letters to him.

As for Hürrem, she was supervisor and mentor turned into closest friend Hürrem or perhaps any other Sultan had. In early days in harem, Gülfem was a double agent,who not only instructed Hürrem,but was also responsible for telling Suleiman about Hürrem's doing, in one such letters, Gülfem says that Hürrem had spent all the money,but when she sent agha to learn what the problem was Hürrem rejected him, latter she herself asked her about the problem and she surrendered, perhaps she had some fear and respect towards her. In later years, Gülfem constantly complains how tired she is to be a double agent and asks Suleiman to release her from such an obligation, which could indicate that Gulfem got closer to Hürrem . After that Gulfem indeed stopped telling Suleiman about her doings, so Hürrem either did nothing wrong anymore or Gulfem persuaded Suleiman to release her. The friendship of two women grew so much that Hürrem even mentioned in her greetings along with herself and her children.

6. Hatice and Ibrahim.

Long story short, they were never married, however it was theorised they were,when the Magnificent century was shot. Hatice was married twice first to Kapudan Iskender Pasha, then Çoban Mehmed paşa. İbrahim was married to a noblewoman for political purposes as an answer to raised aggression of people and high ranking officials after his assignation as grand Vizier.

7. İbrahim and Mustafa

In the tv show, Ibrahim's relationship with Mustafa is something like father and son's. However, in real life their relationship was far less heart warming. Mustafa was jealous of Ibrahim's closeness to Suleiman and once he expresses it openly, when Suleiman gifted İbrahim a luxurious saddle, who has to give it to Mustafa. Although, there are records of their units against common enemies, there is no indication of love between those two.

8. Handan and Safiye

Remember how the show depicted long lasting hatred between those two, that was always ending in Safiye dominating Handan even when she was Valide(particularly, in this scene)

In real life however, they tolerated one another and even created an alliance against Halime. Safiye definitely thought Handan to be easygoing. That's why she chose to support her son, thus remaining in power even after his accession, at least so she thought, however that "easygoing one" showed her true colours and banished that hell of a mother-in-law for good.

9. Kösem and "her children".

The exact number of Kösem's children is disputable, what we know for sure is that she was the mother of Murad, Ibrahim,Ayşe, Fatma and Kasım. The sources naming her children vary in numbers from 6 to 11. Other than those named, Hanzade sultan was almost certainly her daughter, historians also side to her, when it comes to identifying the mother of Şehzade Mehmed,who despite mixed opinions was almost certainly hers. However, sources list the birth of Mehmed, Gevherhan, Fatma, Ayşe and Hanzade to be between 1605-1608 and no birth of twins is recorded, so either one of them was born on different year and Kösem gave birth five times in a row or some of the children listed here were not hers. Gevherhan,in one of the letters, is named as full sister of Ahmed's eldest son, so in that case she was daughter of Mahfiruz. However, as there were no concubines listed as "mother of XX sultan or XY prince", so those children were either Kösem's or Mahfiruze's.

Osman, Bayazid and Burnaz Atike were not her children and despite her attempts to get close to Osman, Ahmed made it impossible, so the whole adopting young prince is just a dramatic exaggeration. Burnaz Atike was very close to Turhan Hatice, who was raised in her court and she likely supported her in rebelion.

10. Nurbanu and her in-laws.

In a TV show, the relationship between Nurbanu and her dear in-laws is more than a little bit intense.

However, in real life her relationship with Hürrem was more than just peaceful, based on the fact that Hürrem named the girl herself(Afife Nurbanu that means "victorious Queen of light") and she could have been Mehmed's concubine first and after his death and Selim's appointment as governor of Manisa she was gifted to him, we can assume that Hürrem chose Nurbanu as pillar of her princes and heir of her legacy. Considering, Nurbanu received letters from capital and was at least sometimes informed about the major events , she never fell from her favour.

In the show, Nurbanu has a very conflicting relationship with Mihrimah, however, there is not single recorded instance of Mihrimah having any conflict with Nurbanu, she even helped her sister in law to negotiate with France. Two women effectively shared the position of de facto Valide and Selim's advisors between 1566 to 1574. While Mihrimah was leading the old palace harem and fulfilling duties of regular Valide sultan, Nurbanu was arranging Topkapi affairs and party of supporters, something that was established during Hurrem's tenure.

Everyone was acknowledging Mihrimah's influence and ambassadors were trying to win her favour, while Nurbanu was working on peace treaty between Venice and Ottoman empire, she also started constructing Atik Valide mosque,while she was still Haseki and was at times reffered as "Atik Valide","Valide of shehzade" or "Future Valide", so her power was also established, not only that Nurbanu outranked Mihrimah and was closer to political affairs.

Rivalry between two women could be some misunderstanding. It was Mihrimah's daughter Ayse humashah, who might have had some dislike towards Nurbanu. She was one who raised Safiye and gifted it to Murad, so Nurbanu's disapproval of her, could threaten her future power. Or it could have been nothing personal,but Humashah's bond with Safiye, if they were friends, she would support her even against Valide sultan. However, if there was some conflict between those two is unknown. If there was any kind of conflict between two women Mihrimah would oppose or at least discourage such demonstration of power.

Nurbanu's relationship with her daughter-in-law is discussed here:

Bonus fact:

Those three musketeers of Manisa, were not actually three musketeers of Manisa.

Gazanfer was present there,but he was loyal to Selim and later served as chief Eunuch of Safiye Sultan, so his connection to Nurbanu was nothing significant.

Çanfeda on the other hand, was a close friend and second in command of Nurbanu,but not in Manisa, Çanfeda remained in the old palace during Selim's tenure as governor, she was summoned to be first harem stewardess of Topkapi palace, so their renowned friendship started during their youth, when they were newly enslaved.

[kaledya]

Giovanni and Hurrem time !

First, it always make me chuckle when you call me 'Sir' (im very much a she) and each time I'm like *putting a suit and spreading legs* "I'm CEO now. Call me Sir and make my coffee black." Ahah

I mean, Giovanni deserve! He deserves and I give. And I'm ready to see your evolution in his design, when you want it and have time for it🌸 _

I'm very happy you like Hürrem! Thank you for liking the concept idea before anything else!

Oh my gods ! I knew it ! I knew it that guy was a cousin of Nick Wilde or whatever. I didn't want to assume like "he looks like a fox and he is giving Nick" but I did. And love it. I mean Nick ?

1. For Hürrem being half-rabbit, its because I imagine her mother (Parvin) being a mixed of Paimon and you know the female bunny in the Disney movie Bambi ? Very 50s inspired type of very girly girl design but with a demonic twist of course. And that is why!

Then you talk of Nick and I was like, yeah, I saw what you did here ! And we definitely have at least one braincells in common. Yes.

2.  For Hürrem name, yes I know the Turkish serie, I saw like 3 episodes one thousand years ago ?

And I know the historical figure named Hürrem.

I like this name because of the sound of it and the two dots on the ü. Its pretty. Then I just gave a logical reason with Parvin loving Hürrem Sultan in 'real life'.

I like Giovanni's name ! Italian. Like Addolorata ahah. Olcayto was really a surprise when I first saw his name, I never heard it before ! Its original.

Not unnecessary details. Details are great.🌸 _

I like that you like Hürrem background, and yes the Ars Goetia are miserable to the core. All of them.

I didn't think about SSAU Paimon ! Did you draw it somewhere and I missed it ? No ! *throw sparkles in panic* but yes, logically the heigher ranks demons are all fallen angels. They help Luci in the rebellion. I remember, Paimon and Lilith created the Goetia.

So yes Hürrem would have angelic blood in her veins I suppose because her grandfather on her mother side is a fallen angel. BUT in AA, the aristocratic demons are all corrupted by Hell (its just to say that they are more demon in their nature) This is why in a short story, Azrael ask to Abaddon to put a benediction on Charlie and Constantine to not be corrupted by himself. (It works better on Charlie than Constantine but its still a must) _

Yes, Constantine saw an opportunity in Hürrem and used it. Very diplomatic of him and practical.

I wonder if Elrond could be a proposition of a suitor in Constantine's head if Hürrem is successful to find Lilith with Giovanni? Just curious ! _

Hürrem is cute and you are right this type of character have the smoothest arc and changes especially when one party push the other to the better of themselves (they can break some time to time but they always come back together to slay again).

I love your little dialogue "Did you do crimes i dont know about ?" "No?!"

Ahah ! That was funny. And FLUFFY FEATHERS is the best nickname. I love it !!

(Giovanni's presence save the day!) _

The fanfics in Hell thingy is something that Hürrem would definitely like. She would ship everybody with Carmilla, Alastor with Luci and Vox with his assistant or something ahah.

I always find it so impressive Serenity is a doctor in her time period ? Like that is dedication. A nurse is what to expect but a all female doctor ? In America XXe century ? Slay.

I just imagine Human Serenity and an university professor argued for let her pass the test.

S : Thank you, sir. I will do my best. You said I have excellent scores at the last test ? Professor : I did. Very good. But... S : So, I'm on top of the class. This mean, with your marking I will pass, yes ? Professor *inconfortable* : Yes but maybe, I thought, doctor is very difficult, and for a woman of your background its your last chance to...(stay in line)

*Serenity jump on him and put a knife on his neck.*

S : ... I will pass, yes ? Professor : Yes. *removes the knife.* S : Thank you very much, sir. I will see you at the ceremony. _

Thank you ! I'm glad you her 😭 no need to use my others one then.

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Thank you for your answers about Giovanni faq! It was interesting to know and now I can tie down the character of Hürrem.

•So shorter Hürrem it is. Noted. •Ahah, I just think that Giovanni would lost his mind if he meets Lolicia one day. •His backstory is very difficult and very well done. Tragic and important to his character. Its good. •The two options of the Clan gives to cubs is a good plan to manage the organisation and have members who actually wants to be part of the Clan and not forced to be part of it because they got keep as orphans. Liberty of choices. •the secret hideout in all the Rings give me Lupin The Third vibes (anime) and I appreciate it. •Ahah Giovanni and its 20 lucks charm on gun mastery make me thing of dnd. I think Hürrem would be fAscINatEd by the gunsmith expertise. _

The duo will first appear between episode 7 and last episode of season 1, perhaps two times but we will see much more of them in the season 2 !

Have a great day too 🌸🌸🌸 !!

LMAO! and SORRY!! (⁠ ⁠≧⁠Д⁠≦⁠) We use the word "Sir" in my native language, regardless of gender, to be more respectful and sincere at the end of the conversation or at the beginning.English is burning my brain on this subject, every word has a different meaning depending on gender.In my native language, He/She/They/It all equals just one word.

And Lmao Yes, CEO Marquisev sir. Today your suit looks perfect as always and I will bring your Whiskey Neat and your Coffee black ☜⁠ ⁠(⁠↼⁠_⁠↼⁠)❤️/ (too Sweet cover by Reinaeiry)

*You can also think of me in a butler's uniform*

Thank you! When I reply to the messages you sent before, I will draw them as soon as I get the chance!!

Of course I will love Hürrem, she is a very well written character!

And I'm so glad you like Giovanni!!

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Yes I remember! And it was a really smart decision. And very clever!

Yes' Precisely, and thanks to that brain cell, we now have Nick and Judy in Hell, sort of. YIPEPEPEP

And strangely, I'm already very fond of these two characters, I'm curious how their stories will progress!!

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Yes, and I'm glad you saw it centuries ago. I think each episode is about 2-3 hours long. It would take a lifetime to finish the series.

Seriously, the sound 'ü' makes is so beautiful, for some reason, when you say Hürrem, you get the Vibe of a noble character!

And for the sake of connection, it was wise for Parvin to love Hürrem in Real life.

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I'm glad you like Giovanni's name! And I love Addolarata's name, it's so creative! And seriously, I've never heard a name like that before.

And I'm glad you like the name Olcayto! In short, the meaning of the name means lucky in Turkish. (Serenity Sometimes is not CREATIVE person)

For some reason, ı thought Serenity like This while choosing the name from The books "What does lucky mean in other languages?! I mean, I can't just name the child Lucky, it's like the name of a pet dog."

And I'm glad you liked the details!!

Yes, unfortunately, the Goetia, they arereally miserable, but after all, they're noble demons, what can we expect?

Nope I didn't draw!! But I read that he was the one who was most loyal to Lucifer during his rebellion against Heaven, so I thought of him as a fallen angel!But after all, a cursed fallen angel, the reason Lucifer wasn't cursed as much as the others was because he was the True Archangel

And Yes!

Yes, you have made a really logical decision in AA. After all, even if they were fallen angels, they would not be strong enough to resist corruption.They are all demon now.

Yes, I remember that scene and it caught my attention.Seriously, Azrael's words there make a lot of sense.In the end, it's not in anyone's best interest for Charlie or Constsntine to be corrupted.

And I have a question. In SSAU Constantine and Charlie's blood is orange/a kind of resin color because they are half angel and half ex-human.

(Both of their blood has a seriously different structure. But , I can give an example of one of ıt characteristics, Charlie or Constantine's blood is like the blood of an angel, it is like acid for sinners)

But I do not intend to do the same for the children of sins.

So I'm planning to have their blood black like a hell-born, do you think that makes sense?

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Yes .

Maybe, after all, he's the of the young Goetias close to Hürrem's age so he will offer this option to Hürrem and Elrond if her mission is completed successfully.

But if either of them does not like the offer and Hürrem does not want marriage as an option, Constantine can do something different Solution on what she wants.

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Yes definitely! And such characters are so much fun to read!

I'm so glad you liked the little dialogues, and lmao that dialogue was my favorite too!

And I'm glad you liked the nickname! Giovanni would probably be the type to call people with a lot of nicknames.

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LMAO Imagine, Giovanni and Hürrem are sitting while they are on a journey to move to another ring.Giovanni's attention goes to what Hürrem is reading and asks what she is reading.Hurrem she panicked and said that she didn't read anything and that it was nothing important

(30 fanfic tabs were open in Chrome at the time).

(By the way, funfact, if you have too many fanfic tabs on chrome, the box at the top will stop showing the number and say ':D 'lmao)

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Yes, Serenity was a Doctor, and yes, women were often nurses at that time.

But this was a very difficult task. Serenity studied at university around 1940 and was there.There's a lot of sexism and a lot of racism at the same time.a lot of university didn't even accept women or people of color.

((English is not my first language, I researched and found out that the term "People of Color" is the best way to address, please tell me if I'm wrong))

In other words, this meant that Serenity was studying at university while dealing with a lot of things.

(I had to do a LOT OF research on whether this thing was possible (I hate racism and sexism SOOO much))

But in the 1940s, there were medical universities that accepted students of color.

Serenity studied at Howard University College of Medicine.

Also, the money and human connections that Alastor left her helped her a lot. It can be said that this path was nearly completely closed to the woman in that time(It was very difficult, especially if she came from a family with no money, that woman was usually just married off.),

But the door was open to Serenity, but she had to work in an inhumane way and she did it.

The reason she wanted to become a doctor was because people of color did not receive proper healthcare at that time. They're were not admitted to the hospitals, or even if they were admitted, they did not receive good service.

That's why Serenity wanted to become a doctor and then open her own clinic in her hometown, to ensure justice and help those in need. And she did this. When she announced that the she will open a Clinic, there were many people who supported her And they donated money to open her clinic and expressed their moral support for her. and she helped many people until she died.

She didn't even take money from patients who couldn't afford treatment This much. In return, patients always give her food or gifts. (There was a time when Serenity didn't even need to cook at home. She didn't need to buy food because she ate the food given to her as a gift)

I'm sorry for the lore dump, but while doing research, the more I saw discrimination, the more mad I became.

DEFINITELY! There is a possibility of such a scene There were probably men somewhere who tried to remind Serenity that a woman's duty is to be a housewife.

And Serenity be like: *putting a knife to the throat* Oh yes, If I should be a beautiful housewife.you will be a good fertilizer for the soil in my garden. Do you want to try??

After all other people's opinions are important, right?

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And seriously the dialogue you wrote was beautiful!!

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It was an honor to answer your questions!!!

-It would be really interesting if Lolicia and Giovanni meet!!

-I'm so glad you liked the background!!

-Yes, after all, "you can't force a dog to go hunting."(This is an idiom)And Serenity needs loyalty and love. There must also be fear, but such a structure cannot be governed by fear.

-Yes! I saw Lupine The third!! And I'm glad you liked it!!

-LMAO and yes!

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-I seriously can't wait to see these two!!

Thank you for your return and I wish you a good day!! 🌸🌸🫂❤️

[ofsappho]

Treehouse Ask: I like how you have drawn inspiration from different historical and mythological couples to create Morpheus/Reader's relationship. Using Suleiman the Magnificent and Haesaki Hurrem Sultan was a great choice because it was very much a real-life darker Cinderella story (not to romanticize enslavement). While Hurrem was considered lovely with her (possible) red hair and green eyes it's said her wit and intelligence captivated her husband. I feel like that was similar to Reader.

Hi!

Sorry it took me a bit to answer this! I actually am just sitting down to watch Magnificent Century as I write chapter 29 and it reminded me that you sent this ❤️.

I LOVE the love story between Suleyman and Hurrem and I admire Hurrem so much. I have been wanting for years to work in elements of their romance into something but nothing was ever the right fit. Their dynamic was so complicated, given the historical/social context, yet very beautiful.

As I was planning out Morpheus and Reader’s relationship, I realized I needed to find inspo/themes that would somewhat accurately translate my perspective of their dynamic and how they handle the immense power he has over her while being romantic/passionate/loving. To me, bringing the two stories together was the perfect fit.

As a nod to this inspo, I have titled Lucienne’s position within Morpheus’ realm as one of his Viziers. This won’t be the last we see of the Ottoman court hierarchy in treehouse!

[hurremsultanns]

Hello! I have little idea who Hürrem is, but for the fandom ask, what is the most unique thing about the psychologically?

Thank you so much for this question! And I'm sorry it's taken me so long to write this. I had a whole essay I was working on as an answer but it went off topic so I'm going to try and keep focused here. Are you ready? Because I have a STORY to tell. This is going to be A LOT.

I think the most unique thing about her psychology is her relationship to memory. Or at least that's what it comes down to. Because memory is what really drives her in so many ways. In her more positive and more negative traits. It can be linked to her empathy for others and solidarity with other women, the love (both romantic and familial) which she is fighting for), to the way she perceives reality differently (and in a lot of cases more accurately than most other characters), and to her more vindictive and vengeful side (am I maybe tipping the scales here by writing more paragraphs about her positive traits and leaving the negative to the end? Yes. But these are also the things that I just think are the most linked to her memory, so it is what it is)

First of all, one of the most notable things about Hürrem's relationship with memory is how it affects her sense of solidarity with other women, notably servants and concubines. As she becomes more mature over the course of the show and becomes more distant from the trauma of the deaths of her family and her enslavement, she starts to find solidarity with the suffering of other women. She uses her own story as a source of comfort to Hatice and brings her out of a depressive trance. She takes several concubines under her wing because she knows what it was like being in their shoes. Arguably she tries to become the source of protection for them that she never had early on (so long as the concubines don't cross her or become the Sultan's new favourite but I'll get to that when I get to it). This is also linked to the fact that while she did have ulterior motives for her own benefit, one of the major reasons why she feels as strongly as she does about her charity work is because she remembers what it was like to be kidnapped and enslaved, and she wants to make things at least better for poor and enslaved women. This same sense of empathy and solidarity shows why she is able more than any of the other powerful characters to relate on a human level to servants, and why she is the one with the strongest friendships with servants. Her friendship with Sümbül is probably the best example of this. Which can be seen in that after she frees him, they remain friends. Even getting to catch up in his coffee shop just as friends outside of the stresses and the schemes of Topkapi Palace. The fact that they remain friends after he leaves the harem is a testament to the strength of that friendship between them. The fact that extends beyond even the harem. None of this would have happened had she forgotten her origins. She is vindictive and cruel, but she can also be one of the most empathetic characters who has power in the whole show.

There's also the importance of the connection between her past and present families and the love that she is fighting both to honour and protect. Not only is this link made in her theme song Luli. It's a Ukrainian lullaby with themes of family, and so links her very strongly to her past. But it's also about a mother bird protecting her children. Which is the role that as a mother in the harem Hürrem has to play. Especially with the toxicity and schemes in that environment and the existence of the fratricide law. It is up to her to save her children from the possibility that if their brother takes power they will die. So even though these are two different families in very different situations, protecting the one and honouring the other are connected for her. Her dream on her first night in the harem also highlights this. Her parents tell her to 'get strong' and get 'revenge' for them. And while she doesn't get revenge on their behalf in and of itself, it's a very telling moment that frames her desire to create a new family and regain at least some autonomy over her life as not only a form of moving on but also of honouring her past and her birth family. She has to move on in a lot of ways, but her birth family are still in her thoughts in a lot of ways. She remembers them during one of her lowest points in episode 72, is very happy to speak to the Polish Princess Anna Jagiellon and to offer support to her homeland (Rohatyn her hometown was in the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth during her lifetime), her charity work is at least partially motivated by remembering her past, she sings a Ukrainian lullaby to Mihrimah, and so on and so forth. So her past is something that she is always conscious of as she fights to build and protect her new family after losing the one of her birth. Her relationship to Leo is very telling here as well. She dreams of seeing him again and him rescuing her. Then when he does show up, she has flashbacks to the raid where she was kidnapped and her family murdered. She keeps telling him to leave. And while her motives for this and why she wants him to leave could be read as ambiguous, when Leo does die (becaue Ibrahim springs a Saw Trap on them via poisoned Turkish delights and threatening Hürrem's kids) Hürrem tries to to sacrifice herself and is about to eat the poisoned Turkish delights even though she is pregnant. And he chooses to die in her place. And that fact alone is incredibly telling. She may not have been in love with him anymore, but she wanted him to be safe. And while he was in the 'evil place' that she describes Topkapi as being, his presence put both of them and her children's lives in danger. Yes she plays up the fact that she has moved on and tells him she is 'very' happy there, but she isn't and she's trying to get him to move on, leave and save himself from the situation that she is trapped in.

(Pargalı Ibrahim Paşa Is The Worst And Can Go To The Crows Exhibits A and B)

While it is tempting to seen her attitude at first as abandoning her past, that would be a massive oversimplification. Because yes she has to move on in a lot of ways, but not only does she never fully leave her past behind but she also honours it by keeping going and through her relationship with her new family.

Her memory is also key to the fact that there are important facts that she either is more aware of or knows where other characters don't. And she has a very long memory. For example, she doesn't just hold a grudge against Barbarossa because he's Mustafa's most prominent ally and therefore is working towards a goal that will put her children's lives in danger. But also because he is the admiral of the navy. Part of his job is committing raids and kidnapping women or picking them up after a raid to be sent to the harem. As one of those girls who was kidnapped on a raid (not by him but by the Tatars) and had to watch her entire family murdered, he and his line of work represent her original trauma. And the loss that she has been fighting to never go through again ever since. She is conscious of the suffering of other concubines (because she herself went through it) and knows that it is him and people like him who inflict that suffering. And that is one element of the system that she is aware of more than most of the other characters.

Not only that, but she is the only main character in the show who really sees Ibrahim for the monster he truly is. Is this biased? Yes. But he is a narcissist. To be fair, given what he does to her and Leo she has an easier time of figuring it out than anyone else. Given just how blatant what he did was. However, one of Ibrahim's main MOs is psychological manipulation. So we see him turn people who were her friends against her (notably Hatice) and he attempts to gaslight Hürrem but she's having none of it. And I'm sorry but I have to include my own edit here in order to show just how blatant all of this is. The fact that she doesn't buy his narrative does set her apart from the other characters. Because even though she has to move on from it in some ways, the past is always something that she is aware of and that motivates her. There is something to say about the idea of her as being in the role of the scapegoat. She's the person who is the most aware of some of the most toxic elements of the system (yelling 'WE AREN'T ANIMALS' in episode 1 for example) and is willing to fight back from the very beginning. And as a result she gets punished more harshly than her rivals do because she is seen as a threat. As she fairly accurately calls out in her (iconic to me) monologue to Afife Hatun in episode 72 'Everyone spoke about me. The cruel one, the witch, the tyrant. But no one said a thing about what they did to me.' In this way her perception of reality, which is very closely tied to how she sees the past and therefore to her memory, enables her to spot and call out the blatant double standard in how she's seen and treated in order to make her case. So you could definitely make the case that in this way her memory grounds her in reality in a unique way in comparison to her opponents.

The other side of this however is her vindictiveness. And while sometimes she channeled that towards things that I can't criticise her for, sometimes I really can. On the one hand you can see the link between her memory and her vindictiveness in her feuds with Mahidevran, Ibrahim and Fatma Hatun. After all she is the one who is the most aware of how she has been harmed by them and how that has been covered up. So she tries to find justice in her own way. Mahidevran tried to kill her, so Hürrem advocates for herself. Ibrahim threatened her kids and killed Leo, so she exposes his affair and eventually leaks transcripts of him bragging about controlling Süleyman which eventually gets him killed (Alexa play the Cell Block Tango). And Fatma attacked Hürrem, framed her for harming a concubine, and tried to kill her by burning her face so Hürrem burned her face. So she takes matters into her own hands in order to defend herself. The problem is where the people she's going after..haven't hurt her in nearly as significant a way. She burns her best friend Gülnihal's face after she goes to halvet (sleeps with Süleyman). And yes Hürrem apologises for this and tries to make amends by being a better friend, but it still shows how deep her vindictiveness can go. Especially when she's younger, more immature and more selfish. And especially considering that Gülnihal doesn't exactly have a choice. She also has several concubines killed for the same 'offence'. It is worth pointing out two things: that Süleyman sleeping with other women DOES pose a threat to her children's futures (in as much as he would support her and them less) and that she is less quick to murder than her rivals (Hatice kills Nazlı over being a messenger after all...and then blames Hürrem for what she did). Even so, to quote Brooklyn Nine Nine 'Cool motive. Still murder.' Having a long memory and holding a grudge are all well and good when it's against someone like Ibrahim, but is far more destructive when it's against random concubines like Nadia or Nazenin who get caught in the crossfire and she kills for it. This is one of her major flaws that comes out for understandable reasons, but is still definitely a serious flaw. She is after all morally grey and one of the main antagonists of the show. She's just the subversion of a villain trope.

She's just a complex character and I think memory is tied into a lot about what makes her such an interesting character.

[starbabe569]

Non Hurrem/Suleyman Scenes I Wish Had Been In The Series

**After Suleyman Returns To Find Hurrem Has Been Burned**

Suleyman questions everyone surviving Hurrem to find out how she's been doing scenes the attack. He's told she rarely leaves her chambers, she has the main entrance to her chambers bard every night and sleeps with a knife. Suleyman then calls an architect to design and build a new set of chambers contacted to his.

A few days later word begins to spread through the harem about the new chambers Suleyman has ordered. Hafsa and Mahidevran assume that the new chambers are for Mustafa.

**Sometime After Suleyman Returns To Find Hurrem Has Been Burned**

Suleyman has been back in Tapioca for a few weeks when Hurrem starts acting angry and jumpy. When he ask she says it's just nerves, so he questions Sumbal and Daya and is informed that Fatma the concubine responsible for burning Hurrem was brought back to the palace. Suleyman is furious and orders that Fatma be taken to the dungeons while he goes to comfort his mother.

**Immediately After Learning About Fatma**

Suleyman storms into the Valid Sultan's Cambers looking furious. Hafsa asks what's troubling him. Suleyman angrily confronts his mother about Fatma not only being brought back into the harem, but the fact that it's obvious that she wasn't truly punished. Hafsa try's to defend her actions to Suleyman despite the fact that he's obviously not buying it. At one point she says something that causes Suleyman to almost hit her, he stops himself before he even lifts his hand. He ends the conversation by telling her he will handle Fatma's punishment. He also tells her she needs to dismiss Gulsah because he will be appointing the new harem overseer.

**The Day After Suleyman's Confrontation With His Mother**

Suleyman has his mother and Mahidevran come to the viewing room used to over look events in the courtyard. There wondering why Suleyman has called them there, when he walks out. Their shocked to see him followed by Fatma who is being dragged by guards and an executioner. After Fatma is executed Suleyman looks up at the screen his mother and Mahidevran are standing behind before walking back into the palace.

**A Few Days After Fatma's Execution**

Word about Fatma's execution has spread through the harem. The concubines are gossiping and speculating about what this means for Valid Sultan's possession and the future of the harem. Sumbal inters to announce that Suleyman's has summoned Afife Hutan to take over as overseer of the harem, instead of Gulsah who Hafsa's chose.

**Early Season Three**

After her luncheon for the wives of Pasha and other high ranking men in the empire Hurrem holds a second uncheon for the wives and daughters of the foreign ambassadors. This event is held in the main area of the harem. Hurrem is using the mystery and speculation other countries have about the harem to guaranty the attendance of the women she's invited.

_I'm specifically basing this off of the scene in MC:K when Farya enters the harem for the first time._

**Early Season One Not Long Before Suleyman Returns From Campaign**

Hurrem is setting in her private chambers with Maria embroidering a blanket for the baby. Maria tells Hurrem that she's been worried that she'll be replaced as her concubine because she's not Muslim so she's going to talk to Sumbal about converting. Hurrem tells her she doesn't have to do that, she'll talk to Suleyman to make sure that doesn't happen. Maria responses that she rather do everything possible to make sure there not separated. Hurrem leans over and hugs Maria thanking her.

**The Night Hurrem Gives Birth To Mehmed**

Ibrahim has ordered Gulnihal to be sent to Halvet. As Sumbal is taking her to be prepared she's protesting that she can't do this to Hurrem. Sumbal tells her to keep quiet and when she's in left alone with Suleyman to introduce herself by her old name and nothing will happen. She nods her head and says okay, then keeps quiet while she's prepared.

When she's left alone with Suleyman she introduces herself as Maria, then drops to her knees and say she can't be here because it would break Hurrem's heart. Suleyman realizing that this is Hurrem's Maria who he'd given Sumbal instructions not to send to halvet he's furious. She gives an explanation that Ibrahim picked her and that there was probably confusion because she'd just converted and has been given her new name.

After Suleyman has calmed down they began talking with Maria telling Suleyman stories about Hurrem and her life before the harem with Maria telling him she was revealed to see Hurrem finally starting to live again. A few hours into their conversation Sumbal arrives to inform Suleyman that Hurrem is in labor.

**Season One Early Into Hurrem's First Pregnancy**

Hafsa tells Daya she has decided to marry Hurrem off while Suleyman is on campaign. Daya asks if she'd like her to take Hurrem to be examined immediately to confirm she's not pregnant or wait until a groom has been selected. Hafsa tells her to have the exam done immediately because she doesn't need the stress of having to back out of and engagement if she is pregnant.

_Hafsa trying to marry Hurrem off without finding out if she's pregnant or not was one of her stupidest designs in the inter series._

@redxluna @desmoonl @shivrcys @faintingheroine @minetteskvareninova

[dodscans]

If you don't mind asks regarding your thoughts on the latest chapter of DoD, why do you think Suleiman is accepting Ibrahim's answer that he supports Mustafa as the eldest prince despite clearly not believing that's all there is to it, and warns him not to err in his judgment of the matter of Mustafa and Mehmed? Do you think it's possible that he knows about Ibrahim and Hurrem's night together and is testing Ibrahim to see if he'll answer truthfully, or something like that?

Hi!

No, I don't mind at all! I think as things stand at the end of our latest release, Suleiman suspects that something is going on between Hürrem and İbrahim, and that something is more than simply politics. Because obviously, one would expect İbrahim to back Mehmed.

But I also feel that Suleiman legit doesn't care if his former boyfriend loyal retainer fucked his waifu or not, and he's genuinely enjoying this "game of thrones." In one of the chapters, he said that he was fine with any of his sons succeeding him provided that he manages to overcome his brothers. That really was how the Ottoman succession worked: there was no heir apparent, and the princes almost always went to war or proceeded to kill each other when their father died. Suleiman's ascension to the throne was an odd case as he didn't have any brothers when his father died, so I feel like manga Suleiman wants to see how the brotherly competition would go, and he finds it amusing.

So, becoming the sultan was a matter of capacity: the prince who could come to the capital first to claim the throne without being toppled by other princes on the road "deserved" the throne. Suleiman wants to keep that tradition, and warns İbrahim not to do petty things like trying to support Mustafa without actually believing him to be the most fit to rule. Anyone can tell that İbrahim is not a huge Mustafa fan. He comes off as anti-Mehmed more than anything.

Like you said, Suleiman is kind of pushing İbrahim to come clean about his motives so that they move on with the tedious state affairs. He wants İbrahim to know he's not buying his fake Mustafa fanboy-ism. He's not a jealous man, but he wants honesty. I don't want to give spoilers, but I just want to say that you'll LOVE chapter 74. ;)

Sorry, I'm just rambling and being incoherent because it's too damn hot here...

tl;dr: Suleiman want İbrahim to know that he knows, and to stop trying to take him for a fool.

[mihrsuri]

I asked @theladyelizabeth about this but thinking about some OT3 verse in universe history things*

There’s actually not a debate about the extent of Cromwell’s role in government even pre reveal of the OT3 but there is debate about his closeness to the royal family - like is this a friendship and a governing partnership? It does seem to be but on the other hand, it might just be that he’s so very useful and good at his job. On the other hand, the monarchs (and their children’s) very adamant defence of the man.

I do know there is discussion over whose idea X Legislation/Policy is - also that Anne took an active role in ruling (attended Privy Council meetings, endowed universities, schools and hospitals, had buildings built under her own name, corresponded with other royals and scholars) but there’s a ‘was she only focused on the female sphere/female education etc’ (In this world, like Hurrem Sultan Anne endows schools for girls, including universities). People tend to see the Duke of Essex (aka Cromwell) as focusing on infrastructure and the foundations of what will become the social welfare system/UBI and Henry far more on things like endowing buildings but one thing that Maya’s discovery proves is that their work really is a joint effort.

(For example of the above - the laws against child abuse are actually Anne and Henry’s work for Thomas, but a lot of the ideas are his - as is the legal framework, the formation of what is universal healthcare access is Henry’s passion project (historically he actually proposed something like that). The development of a merit based civil service has a lot to do with all three of them, as does the genuine religious pluralism (though a lot of that is Anne).

It’s remarked on how unusual (though not unprecedented - there have been royal families who keep their children with them) it is that Anne and Henry are very hands on with all their children.

*Obviously this is a very different world but also some frameworks are the same.

Also would people like to be tagged in Tudors OT3 posts? Let me know if that is the case.(reply or like this post)