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whenever ppl try to come up with some version of 'romance and love isn't forbidden by the jedi, on this one novel-'
i'm just...
#star wars#jedi order#jedi critical#sorry no that makes no sense with what's presented through most of the canon#'but it was in this one novel' then that novel it's trying to retcon it or to twist the in-between lines because it doesnt make sense#the belief that the jedi only forbid romance if it's possesive or stops someone from caring about others it's a lovely pink-tinted view#but it doesn't work with canon and the only thing that it accomplishes is attempting to to give anakin a different narrative#which is 'anakin was actually just too stupid too understand what the jedi's teaching meant'#and yes you can make an argument that anakin didn't understand all of the jedi teachings but not in the way this idea proposes#it's actually ridiculous#'anakin why you kept this secret didn't you know romance it's actually allowed by the jedi? we all have our crushes and partners lol'#'you silly the only thing we forbid it's becoming toxic and possesive'#headcanoing or making aus or fics with the jedi as this#big happy hippie family full of pacifists that try to destroy the pillars of traditional conservative nuclear families in pro of free love#it's fine like go ahead headcanon that and make aus of that but when someone comes to try to argue that no it's in fact very canon#it's just...what like come on#EVEN OBIWAN the picture perfect child for most jedi fans said he would've had to leave the order to be with satine aka IT IS FORBIDDEN#i'm going insane or what they told a 9 y/o that missing his mom was path to the dark side but no no they're FINE with romance#how could we miss Yoda's three romantic partners and Mace's being a swinger and also Shaak's polycule Anakin you're just stupid#(he is stupid but not like this lfmao)#fandom stuff#ranting#AND TO BE CLEAR no this isn't an argument about traditional nuclear conservative families or some bullshit being needed#this is me saying the jedi in canon are pretty fairly conservative as it is sorry but they're basically the knight templars with powers#and orientalism in the form of buddhism as a white american man (GL) understood it (badly)
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"[Elizabeth Woodville's] piety as queen seems to have been broadly conventional for a fifteenth-century royal, encompassing pilgrimages, membership of various fraternities, a particular devotion to her name saint, notable generosity to the Carthusians, and the foundation of a chantry at Westminster after her son was born there. ['On other occasions she supported planned religious foundations in London, […] made generous gifts to Eton College, and petitioned the pope to extend the circumstances in which indulgences could be acquired by observing the feast of the Visitation']. One possible indicator of a more personal, and more sophisticated, thread in her piety is a book of Hours of the Guardian Angel which Sutton and Visser-Fuchs have argued was commissioned for her, very possibly at her request."
-J.L. Laynesmith, "Elizabeth Woodville: The Knight's Widow", "Later Plantagenet and Wars of the Roses Consorts: Power, Influence, Dynasty"
#historicwomendaily#elizabeth woodville#my post#friendly reminder that there's nothing indicating that Elizabeth was exceptionally pious or that her piety was 'beyond purely conventional'#(something first claimed by Anne Crawford who simultaneously claimed that Elizabeth was 'grasping and totally lacking in scruple' so...)#EW's piety as queen may have stood out compared to former 15th century predecessors and definitely stood out compared to her husband#but her actions in themselves were not especially novel or 'beyond normal' and by themselves don't indicate unusual piety on her part#As Laynesmith's more recent research observes they seem to have been 'broadly conventional'#A conclusion arrived at Derek Neal as well who also points out that in general queens and elite noblewomen simply had wider means#of 'visible material expression of [their] personal devotion' - and also emphasizes how we should look at their wider circumstances#to understand their actions (eg: the death of Elizabeth's son George in 1479 as a motivating factor)#It's nice that we know a bit about Elizabeth's more personal piety - for eg she seems to have developed an attachment to Westminster Abbey#It's possible her (outward) piety increased across her queenship - she undertook most of her religious projects in later years#But again - none of them indicate the *level* of her piety (ie: they don't indicate that she was beyond conventionally pious)#By 1475 it seems that contemporaries identified Cecily Neville as the most personally devout from the Yorkist family#(though Elizabeth and even Cecily's sons were far greater patrons)#I think people also assume this because of her retirement to Westminster post 1485#which doesn't work because 1) we don't actually know when she retired? as Laynesmith says there is no actual evidence for the traditional#date of 12 February 1487#2) she had very secular reasons for retiring (grief over the death of her children? her lack of dower lands or estates which most other#widows had? her options were very limited; choosing to reside in the abbey is not particularly surprising. it's a massive and unneeded jump#to claim that it was motivated solely by piety (especially because it wasn't a complete 'retirement' in the way people assume it was)#I think historians have a habit of using her piety as a GOTCHA!' point against her vilification - which is a flawed and stupid argument#Elizabeth could be the most pious individual in the world and still be the pantomime villain Ricardians/Yorkists claim she was#They're not mutually exclusive; this line of thinking is useless#I think this also stems from the fact that we simply know very little about Elizabeth as an individual (ie: her hobbies/interests)#certainly far less than we do for other prominent women Margaret of Anjou; Elizabeth of York;; Cecily Neville or Margaret Beaufort#and I think rather than emphasizing that gap of knowledge her historians merely try to fill it up with 'she was pious!'#which is ... an incredibly lackluster take. I think it's better to just acknowledge that we don't know much about this historical figure#ie: I do wish that her piety and patronage was emphasized more yes. but it shouldn't flip too far to the other side either.
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My general stance on AI discourse is that if someone from an industry that is tangibly negatively impacted by AI proliferation is talking about practical, workable solutions, I trust them, I listen to them, I cheer them on and try to boost their voice. If it's someone who sounds like they would've been a detractor of the printing press if they were born in the 15th century then I immediately ignore everything else that comes out of their mouth.
#ramblings of a lunatic#sorry I saw someone complaining about the gay sex cats and it wasn't even the fact that they were complaining#like that's cool! you're entitled to do that#it's the fact that their argument wasn't like.#''this was taken from an engine with a known habit of stealing non-royalty free photos for reference without the artists permission''#or something to that effect#it was ''its not REAL art it doesn't COUNT it's LAZY it's SOULLESS'' okay so what is real art. btw#does digital art not count bc it has unique luxuries that can make it ''easier'' than traditional art?#is abstract art not on the table bc it doesn't take the same ''effort'' that classic styles do?#exactly. bitch#anyway. ignore me
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gregor and ryoshu on a smoke break, what are they talking about
#limbus company#lcb#gregor#ryoshu#limbus company gregor#gregor limbus company#ryoshu limbus company#limbus company ryoshu#my art#traditional art#colored pencil#in my mind they're making a casual bet#either like. heathcliff is going to get into an argument with faust#or don breaks a window from sheer excitement
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i havent even read enough gl to justify the feelings and emotions i have about kyle i just have the lovers heart and also something wrong with me. and my projection. in my mind he's just like me. and he would have loved college vending machine frozen cheeseburger and heating it up in the microwave at 1 in the morning because he was bored and didn't want to work on a drawing assignment on 20" x 30" paper that was due tomorrow in his freshman year. he would have loved going to the club to push off finals work that's creating the worst stress known to man in his brain. and he would love to annoy the fuck out of his roommate when high and avoiding homework on a saturday.
#IN MY MIND HE'S JUST LIKE ME and i understand why he dropped out of art school also.#i need to get back to my readings but im too into thinking about the couple dozen issues i have read#and then going i wonder what he was like in college. and the answer is definitely fucking annoying.#if i knew him i know we would be not arguing in art history class. i would be saying his takes are stupid outside of class during break.#and he would go i dont know how somoene can defend british utilitarian furniture so vehemently and try to liken it to bauhaus design#our arguments would also stem from having very different art history and therefore philosophy education. his background would be from a pro#who would focus on european canon as per usual while my prof was coming from the perspective of someone with a phd in asian art history#and a curriculum based mostly around exploring and investigating non euro art work and how movements like modernism and#post modernism functioned in other continents.#this is such a main blog post but idont care. EVERYONE HAS TO KNOW HOW I PROJECT AND INTERACT WITH HIM IN MY MIND#he would also hate how i argue for art even i dont care about by approaching it at the philosophical angle.#'how do you like this it's barely even art. or it is art. but it's a boring cop out for suckers. honestly.'#'the thing is i dont like it. i just think you need to expand your world views and stop being close minded. youre limiting yourself.'#you might go eiffel what are you basing this on? the answer is vaguely remembered panels in my mind plus generally taste opinions of his i#can gleam from what art references they give him within issues.#it would also be funny bc like. he has a background in design... he's just stubborn and snobby i think when it then comes to the realm of#fine arts. i think his opinions and how they operate in regards to design + illustration + non gallery art are probably quite different#but i cant lie. from the singular 'i dont wanna be some loser who shows up with a blank canvas to a gallery' panel i remember someone talki#about in a post i have used it to create a variety of thoughts i think he could have had.#and the answer is the opinions of someone definitely a little annoying in art school. with a pretty standard traditional training#and background that stems from euo+american art history and sensibilities that inform how he interacts with art. which is very normal#but i think it's funny to view him as someone i would probably roll my eyes at for some comments he would be making.#and it gets funnier with how he acts generally as a person.#kyle you cant be this snobby when you are drawing pin ups of your work crush in your home studio...#good lord this got so long i have a problem. hi. sorry to my new follower your kyle posting made me go ha ha kyle. i like that guy.#static.soundz#back issues box#< it might as well go there bc i blabbed way too hard and too much. sorry. overtaken by an entity in my mind
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I need to avoid things online that annoy me :')
#like videos by booktok girlies who fetishize other cultures#you can like translations of books from other countries and not be weird about it!#like... you should know why saying 'books by (insert an ethnic group here) authors have ~spiritual healing powers~' is weird!!#and then she has the guts to be like 'uwu sowwy if this comes off as exoticizing but I promise I'm not doing that'#like she knows it sounds weird or else she wouldn't have put that 'disclaimer' at the beginning to try and free herself from any backlash 🥴#then I have someone in the comments of a YouTube video who is giving me 'what if the world was made of pudding' ass arguments#because they're upset at the topic of the video which is about non traditional gender expression in classic anime#people are just so stupid I hate the Internet I hate reading people's idiotic words and having them go into my brain#I'm remembering why I stay away from this kind of stuff now#also I thought I was having hallucinations earlier but I'm fine now#maybe I just need a break
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The Athletic, March 10: "in many years, there were activities that some players considered hazing. Among the specific allegations:... Players on teams dating as far back as 2002 recalled a fining system in which team members had to pay a monetary penalty for perceived offenses. Some women were fined for the clothes they wore..."
The Athletic, March 27: "Many NHL teams have secretive rules and fines. I asked dozens of players about these fines, the spreadsheets they need to keep and the ensuing team-building. Had some fun on this:... A large percentage of team-directed fines remains contingent on wardrobe choices... The argument that fining young players heightens standards of professionalism league-wide is rooted in history."
#it's not hazing if it's tradition! it's not hazing if it heightens standards! it's not hazing if everybody involved accepts it!#none of those are good arguments!#and i sincerely doubt that the perceived offenses at harvard were significantly different from any nhl team's system of perceived offenses#(maaaaybe the overtly racist fine but otherwise... i doubt it)
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Thank you for your tags on the baeddalism post. As someone who is aroace (formerly biace) and a nb transmasc I've literally watched every identity I have be dragged into discourse time and time again and it's always the exact same rhetoric to a nauseating degree. People are so terminally online that they constantly invent new nonexistent stereotypes of other queer identities to get mad at or just pick a queer identity to be the monster of the week, and it's excruciating to see it repeat the same way everytime.
I wanted to try to respond to this more eloquently after i had some caffeine, but if we wait for eloquence itll go unanswered for years. but lmao yea of course. Im also aroace and enby. I was here since like 2014, I suffered through reading all these same stupid arguments about a-specs and my tolerance for it is so fried. The queer infighting and gatekeeping bullshit is so rotting. I hope we learn one of these days. My disillusion that this keeps fucking happening is at least tempered by the fact that all the blogs who I followed for good takes on inclusionism and queer solidarity during the acecourse are also not tolerating this shit, and they are recognizing it as the same old bullshit its been the whole time.
#asks#tiredtief#i am so bad at actually Arguing w ppl so i try to avoid engaging directly as usual but i continue my tradition of#steaming in the fucking tags lmao#anyway hi. welcome. ill follow back. u seem nice#also i wish it was just terminally online brainrot but unfortunately i think this shit predates the internet#and this shit = ppl being stupid bitchy assholes to each other. i have an unfortunate feeling that it is merely an extension of the old.#call yourself a community organizer but youre not on speaking terms with your ex roommates thing. and its annoying ppl#applying like toxic friend group drama dynamics to a marginalized community cos they cant help but pick fucking fights i guess#my point is ppl have probably been being stupid toxic assholes about community since we started being people and having community#and it sucks and its always sucked but we made it this far. so hopefully we can keep going to go be stupid assholes to each other in the#future. i worry this is coming across as misanthropic. its only a little misanthropic. humans is humans. not good or bad but also i think#as social animals we are fundamentally fucking Annoying. i want to believe that we can like. get to a point where we stop arguing about#peoples identities like this. and maybe we will. but we will almost certainly be arguing about some other dumb shit. hopefully like some#low stakes fandom discourse or sports teams. discourse is brainrot but getting into meaningless arguments with fans of a different sports#team does fundamentally feel like a healthier expression of toxicity than starting queer separatist movements in the name#of protecting vulnerable ppl while not realizing that seperatism is just Isolating vulnerable ppl making them more susceptible to all the#harms you claim to want to prevent. dont ever fall for the reactionary exclusionist kool aid folks. even if they frame it as#reactionary seperatism. thats bad for you and your whole community youre cutting yourself off from and we cant be doing that shit#with fucking fascism impending everywhere and shit that targets and harms all of us up on the chopping block. goddddd#anyway. i need to go to the store.
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Petty rant this morning- I can understand that somtimes even the nicest noises can be a nuisance, even painful, and believe me I have become cranky about all sorts of innocuous noises at the wrong time.
That being said, I have heard a surprising number of people complain about bellringers practising, when they moved into a house next to a mediaeval English church
#Oh I'm sorry we'll just move this twelfth-century bell tower somewhere that doesn't irritate you#Can it sometimes be a rather awful cacophony? Yes but they only get better if they practise#And even the worst noise of bells (from the distance of neighbouring houses not the tower) is better than car engines and drunk arguments#And bellringing is such a magnificent piece of craft and tradition; it's worth preserving even above and beyond any religious role#Though to be fair all the bellringers I've met seem to hold bellringing as their chief religion and are indifferent at best to the church#So it's not even that much of a reminder of Christianity imo#Thouhg I suppose people could disagree#Anyway church bells were one of the best things about living in the south of England#Even when they were rattling away very untidily#I miss them so much being back in Scotland where we only have a handful of towers at best#and certainly don't have the longstanding tradition of ringing in small churches#I have to get my kicks from the Tolbooth clock and let me tell you it just isn't the same as hearing an English bell tower ringing up#Let alone actually ringing the changes#It's one of the few genuinely wholesome English traditions and you want to whine about the sound of BELLS#Not because it's a sensory issue or anything just because you don't like your lie-in being interrupted#But you'd expect your neighbours to put up with your noisy barbecues#Actually never even mind disruptive events like that- in my opinion the noise of your silly car idling in the driveway is worse than bells#You trying to fit your massive SUV down the tiny streets of a small English village#Is always worse than plain hunt
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artists of tumblr, help me win an argument. Why isn't AI art considered real art?
#for the record i am on the side of it not being art#my argument is that if it can't come up with an image on its own#if it needs to feed on the blood of other artists#it does not count as real art#i would appreciate some actual nuance from experienced artists#artwork#artists on tumblr#digital art#traditional art#my art
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ordinarily john winchester would be a character i dislike on account of my own shitty dad but the fandom is so annoying abt him that they made me like him :)
#nobody understands abusive dads like i do. my dad is more logan than john with 1 exception#logan is the type of Traditional Man who sleeps better at night bc he refuses to hit his daughter#the less said abt that the better#anyway dean is a MUCH more aggravating and dangerous character to me than john is bc everyone loves him#he can and has gotten away with murder#this is why i compare logan to dean rather than to john#but i will say that john and sam’s infamous arguments abt stanford/their lifestyle in general are so so dear to me#impacted me so deeply when i was a teen#sam is SO daughter of immigrants committing the unforgivable sin of breaking away from the family unit#love him to pieces forever he helped me so much
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For the ask game: Next :)
NEXT — the next line. meaning i will finish the sentence I’m on and write a new one, which you’ll get.
Making me write right now huh? 🤣
Chozen held his wrist up so it got more sunlight coming through the ceiling of the Euglena Mall, looking extraordinary pleased, before taking Johnny’s hand. I'll put what the item is under a readmore (also in case you want to see it too @yallwildinrn )
#writing asks#asks#ask game#thank you for the ask#🤣 this I guess answers the question from the last one of which fic am I currently working in which is Umibudo#little star ⭐ and 🧜♂️ merman sticker for whoever maybe guessed that#they're clothes shopping because impromptu trip meant they left with 0 things#and also means I can deep dive into fashion and fabrics and traditional things#including a slight argument of swimsuits Johnny: Uh 1000% necessary#Chozen a merman: swim nude that's normal or the world's tiniest speedo because otherwise you'll be too slow#i'm a couple chapters ahead of where I posted because I couldn't figure out what was in a box until recently and eventually I gotta go#back and fix that or like re-add that thread in
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ok but now i want to write about hannibal viewing van gogh's paintings with will
#hannibal always seemed to enjoy traditional art#whereas i feel will would appreciate and perhaps prefer impressionism#i think it would be an excellent conversation between the two as hannibal would#def not reject impressionism and would find beauty but still find the techniques towards traditional superior#not sure how strong of an opinion will would have but i believe his argument would center around emotions#raise and throw the question at hannibal 'how does it make you feel?' and go from there
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When it comes to religious convictions, Jane is even more contradictory. Weir’s version paints her as a girl so pious that she considers becoming a nun. As a lady-in-waiting to Katherine of Aragon, she comes to love Henry’s first wife and her daughter, later Mary I, who embrace the old faith. She is appalled by the King’s break with Rome, his self-declaration as the spiritual leader of England, and his dissolution of the monasteries. Yet unlike Thomas More, who famously paid for his resistance with his head, Jane finds it expedient to swear an oath to Henry’s religious supremacy. While sometimes she speaks up, more often she shuts up, for fear of angering her volatile husband. I’m not saying that Jane comes off as a complete hypocrite. Her love for the king may well have been genuine, if also fueled by a desire for wealth and glory (she seems pretty thrilled with the trappings of royalty, to the point that once she becomes queen, she abandons a friend among the ladies of the court). But in the end she is awfully “judgy,” in modern parlance, rationalizing her own choices while holding everyone else to a lofty standard of fidelity, faith and maternal feeling.
Jane Seymour, The Haunted Queen
#posting these bcus this was my main gripe with the book as well#she had no self-awareness whatsoever#she was insanely contradictory...i mean based on most of the arguments about her the real woman was as well but#still#and i just had a feeling she really felt the reader wouldn't sympathize her in the cirucmstances of her marriage unless she made it less#her 'choice'...like she makes it selfless somehow actually even tho six people are dying on the eve of the wedding#by virtue of jane knowing she's pregnant.#there's even a line that she feels the flutter and 'the child had made the decision for her'#ie she is attracted to henry but horrified by what's happening; doesn't want to wed in these circumstances and is only doing so to#legitimize her future child......#which like . ok. but. she probably wasn't#so have the courage to face the moral dilemma without a copout is my thing#the moral dilemma and the eventual triumph of ambition and opportunity over the cost and the darkness of what cannot be separated from it#this is my issue not just with her (altho i see it maybe most often with the 'most moral' of the wives#which is generally considered to be js and coa)#but this trend in general of...trying to totally separate and dissociate all the tudor queens with henry's actions and choices#religious political and personal#and you cannot...really do that? they were married to him#so like jane was against the supremacy is the traditional argument#yet she married the supreme head of the church#'she had no reason to intercede for anne according to her beliefs' but enough to marry henry? like ?#at a certain point you have to acknowledge that ambition trumped principle#if that was indeed what her principle was#alison weir vs book reviewers
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ok but i can't handle black coffee drinkers bc like
while i dislike both coffee and tea, tea drinkers just feel so Out Of It when talking about real tea and proper brewing and shit i can't really take it all that seriously
coffee drinkers are always those dude bros who actually only drink one kind of coffee ever and god forbid you add any cream or sugar to it it's this puritan who has been dating his girlfriend since high school and they don't love each other anymore they both know they cheat on each other but they don't want to break up because they don't want the change
#and their argument is always smn like#'no you simply havent learned to appreciate the flavor of pure coffee'#bro foods and drinks shouldn't be a 'skill' to 'learn'#if i dont like something im not gonna force myself into drinking it until i learn to tolerate it and pavlov myself into thinking i like it#just because 'ive been drinking it this whole time so i must like it'#liking food is not something you should have to learn#that goes out to picky eaters out there too: you dont gotta force yourself to eat something you deeply dislike just bc of other people#I'm rambling i dont even know if it makes sense#i'm just tired of how condensending every single coffee drinker has been to me my whole life when i say i cant handle bitter flavors#'you just need to learn' well i don't want to learn have you considered it#why are people trying to enforce their likes and dislikes onto other people#oh so its ok for you to like coffee but its fucked up for me to eat traditional food from my country bc its 'nasty' and 'fermented'?#fuck off#i made myself angry#also for clarification: when i say tea n coffee drinkers i dont mean anyone who's into those things brewing and blending can be your hobby#who i mean is those people who act all high and mighty and get offended when you drink cheap plain options
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🐈 clan-confessions Follow
i'll never say this publicly but honestly i think tigerstar had some valid ideas about having one big clan. obviously he was super wrong with all the violence and force, but one big clan could solve a lot of issues. No more border patrol fighting, more food for everyone during leaf-bare season, no drama involving cross-clan mates, etc etc. a lot of deaths could be avoided if we all took care of one another instead of fighting all the time
🌠 fishluvr76 Follow
ok are we all going to ignore that anon is siding with a literal DICTATOR??? :/
🌸 sweet-tooth Follow
That's not what they meant and you KNOW it. They brought up some valid points about preserving lives, and denounced Tigerstar's actions as much too violent. Starclan above, no cat can have an opinion these days...
🌒 singlequeen7 Follow
Honestly I don't know how I feel about this... each Clan is beautifully unique and has their own traditions, which would fade away if Clans were desolved altogether. But OP makes a valid point about less violence and food scarcity. I hate the idea of sending my kits off to become Warriors, only for them to die during a stupid argument about Sunningrocks. A pile of rocks is NEVER worth a cat's life, whether they are in your Clan or not. And we have lost lives like that before.
🍄 medicinepawz Follow
I agree! Traditions are important, but every medicine cat knows that working together saves lives. Sharing herbs can stop the spread of greencough, and sharing prey stops kits from crying from hunger. We really need a better system, because I can't cry myself to sleep another night, blaming myself for not having enough cobwebs to stop a kit from bleeding out in front of me.
🐅 lonelywarrior5346-deactivated
leave it to a woman and a medicine cat to emotionally manipulate proud warriors into giving up our PURECLAN bloodlines and Clan patriotism lolol
🍄 medicinepawz Follow
HELLO?????
🐛 bug-enjoyer Follow
> complains about "emotional manipulation" (it wasn't?)
> proceeds to be misogynystic AND racist in the same sentence???
> we get it babygirl, you want to fuck Tigerstar. weird ass mf.
🐈⬛ moondrops Follow
"Lonelywarrior5346" is Flintstep from Riverclan btw
🌸 sweet-tooth Follow
LMFAOOOOWAGWHQAKDHOA
🫐 berrycloud Follow
GET HIS ASS
🌌 dorkstar Follow
nah bc which one of you killed this dude yesterday lmfao 😭💀
🌸 sweet-tooth follow
NO ARE YOU FR
🐛 bug-enjoyer Follow
@ dorkstar say sike right now 😭😭
🌌 dorkstar Follow
border patrol found him dead in a ravine 😭 yall play too much
🫐 berrycloud Follow
when i said get his ass i did not mean like this
#completely inspired by @starclanz 's post#thought it was so fucking funny i had to make one#warrior cats#warriors#wc#thunderclan#riverclan#windclan#shadowclan#a.txt
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