#anti stancy's fuck off

[vanesawye]

s2 stancy's actual djo songs

[peterth3parker]

all i know is that if steve dies and they spin it through a bullshit stancy lens, i will go rabid

[jonathanbyersphd]

St*ncy, unironically on MY DASH???? I DON'T THINK SO

[findafight]

The "Robin would never date Steve's ex who broke his heart" take is FUCKING stupid for a lot of reasons.

First of off, the autonomy you're taking out of Robin with this.

Like she's not Steve's sidekick, she's not his yes man, she's an indepent girl who should be free to date any girl she wants.

She would never let her friendship with him ostacolate her love life.

Why the fuck she should do that?!

No one would.

And also, Steve is actually the one who hurt Nancy the most (slut Nancy Wheeler).

And if you think for a second that Robin would ever take Steve's side, then you're wrong.

Just stop centering everything around Steve, and stop reducing Robin to be just his sidekick, 'cause she's FUCKING not.

Hi! So. Pretty sure you found the most recent post I made (on April 6th) tagged anti rnce (and ONLY anti rnce. Not even stranger things. Just anti rnce and my personal original text post tag and a quip about choosing violence. So clearly if that’s how you got here you chose to not just send a post you disagreed with to your friends to rant about but came into my inbox and tried to start shit)And if you didn’t I truly don’t get how you, clearly a rnce fan, found me.

I’m going to be honest. Neither of us are going to change each other’s minds. I don’t like rnce for a lot of reasons, from i just don’t see a romantic spark there to a lot of the shippers being kinda shitty. I don’t care what you ship, really, just that. Claiming it’s canon or should be canon endgame etc gets annoying. And that a lot of the times the way I’ve seen the relationship portrayed (because, contrary to possibly popular belief, I have actually tried to read some fics for them. It’s also such a commonly untagged side or background pairing that I am subjected to it like that often as well) there’s so often weird terf or radfem red flags and alarm bells going off. I’ve seen someone harassed by rnce shippers for calling them out and then those shippers loudly regurgitating terf talking points like it’s fucking funny. I know all fandoms and ships have bad eggs but holy shit.

There’s been a few posts about how for some reason rnce fans try to portray people who don’t like it as making Robin Steve’s sidekick, when really we are acknowledging the facets of her characterization other than her lesbianism. Just because she likes girls doesn’t mean that’s the only thing that matters to her!

Yes, Robin liking girls is part of who she is, it influences how she acts and what she talks about, but it’s not the ONLY thing about her. She likes old movies, she enjoys pop and new wave music, she does her make up in her best friend’s car, she forgot to mention she never learned to drive because he forgot to ask if she could, she thinks combining into a super being with said best friend would possibly solve most of their problems.

Robin is a character who makes her own choices! She chooses to butt in at scoops, chooses to stay with Steve in the bunker to hold off the Russians, chooses to tell him her deepest secret, chooses to apply for jobs with Steve once they heal from the mall, chooses to spend a lot of time with him! And that’s rad. It gives us insight on who she is!

Whenever I’ve written or talked about Robin choosing not to date Nancy, I’ve always made it perfectly clear that it is Robin’s choice. Because given what we see of her in two seasons, Robin is loyal, and greatly values her friendship with Steve. Like. Regardless of how Steve feels about it, and I do think of Robin was legitimately interested in Nancy and Steve thought she had a chance, he’d encourage her to go for it. (Steve isn’t blindly encouraging Robin to hit on Vickie. He has high suspicions that Vickie is queer in some way too! She likes boobies!) I think Robin would think twice about it just because how much she encouraged stancy to get back together in s4.

Honestly, it makes me sad seeing how many times “why would robin choose her best friend’s feelings over getting a gf” is said because like. I value my friends’ feelings all the time. If I thought something I was doing was or would hurt them, I would reevaluate. Why WOULDNT Robin consider her best friend’s feelings? The first person she ever came out to? Who made her feel safe and accepted? Who made her laugh when she felt most vulnerable? Who she encouraged to get back with his ex? Romance is not a level up from friendship, it is not the endgame of life, it is not superior to any other relationship type. Treating friendships as less important to romance is something to reconsider and reevaluate.

Your last point. Anon, who is centring Steve now? Sure. He fucked up in s1. Literally no one denies that. He fucked up and he worked to make things right. He cleaned up the graffiti, he went to apologize to Jonathan, and he presumably apologized to Nancy, because she decided to date him for eleven months after that. I highly doubt there wasn’t heavy gossip about the graffiti or their breakup/makeup. I do agree that before Tina’s party Steve wasn’t helping Nancy as much as he could have, but Nancy wasn’t communicating to him either. They weren’t in the right place for each other. If we consider the alley the breakup, how is that not still breaking his heart? Yes Nancy was on a noble crusade, but it still had collateral damage. It’s something interesting about her character!

Robin wouldn’t be on board with the graffiti. But like. Steve’s changed and apologized since then. And She wasn’t there? She’s just here for the aftermath of Steve’s reignited feelings for Nancy. Idk. Both Steve and Nancy hurt each other in s1/2. It’s not a Steve v Nancy thing? It’s just an acknowledgment that of the two, Robin is closer to Steve. She’s more likely to consider him. She’s not omniscient to everything that happened or the persons feelings and reasons for doing it.

I’m sorry you don’t think friendship has an equal or greater value than some romantic relationship, it must suck. I also hope you find better things to do than to come to someone’s inbox and try to start something over a ship you like that they don’t.

[astarionbae]

JKR is anti trans and is anti Semitic while we're discussing your dumb banner. I'd be more worried about that than anything else.

You're gross and dumb. Also it's been pointed out to me you whitewashed an OC because you couldn't find any content to your taste apparently.

Nancy is 15-16 when she sleeps with and dates Steve who is 17-18. I'm not sure why you are suddenly clutching your pearls about two teens dating. If it was a twenty year old dating Will, no that's straight up fucked up. I'm pretty sure you and your besties have age gaps that are more outrageous than two teens dating.

Changing sexualities is wrong. It's not one rule for the gays and one rule for the straights. It's one thing thinking something, another ramming it down a person throat like y'all tend to do

Literally why are you speaking for @endless-oc-creations anyways. They can tie their own shoelaces.

Also stop trying to stir trouble for Maddie all the time. Move on.

So you're saying I'm Anti Jewish and Anti Trans just because I like Wizarding World of Harry Potter?? Just because you like something that was made from an ass of a person doesn't mean you agree with their opinions.

It's a stupid, pathetic double standard just to make people feel shitty about themselves.

"whitewashed an oc" : Excuse me while I laugh. Also try new material sometime instead of repeating previous anons like a broken record, hunty.

It's cute you thought I shipped Stancy. I'm a Jancy shipper through and through. While we're on the subject, I also ship Jonathan x Steve. And not that I care, but Nancy was only one year younger than Steve, not four. Also if you knew anything about the Ben Hopper OC, you'd know that he watched Will grow up from a child. That's literally his little brother.

Would you date someone that you watched and helped to grow up from the age of three?? I bet you do. Probably all for that power dynamic. Must get your rocks off.

"Changing sexualities is wrong / ramming it down a person's throat" : WHOSE MAKING YOU READ A BI STEVE FIC? WHOSE MAKING YOU ACTIVELY ENGAGE IN A BI STEVE DISCOURSE? You are literally bringing this onto yourself by participating in the conversation. Just fuckin leave! You have the power of block. And you call me dumb, pft.

And yes, Mimi can tie her shoelaces, have been able to since she was five. Can you tie your shoelaces? Or do you still wear velcro?

Stop trying to stir trouble for Maddie? Ah, there it is. The real reason behind this debate. I haven't even stirred trouble, they do that themselves. When you fuck around, you find out.

[tea-time-with-london]

all this shipping discourse is so shitty. personally im a byler but i dont involve myself in any discourse with milevens + anti-bylers but i hate when other people do because CAN'T WE ALL JUST EXIST PEACEFULLY? i know i sound frustrated but it is just very frustrating.

there's no need to send anon hate or screenshot posts from the other party and go off on a rant about why they're wrong. these days the byler tag is just filled with discourse, some of it relating to milevens some of it relating to other things. everyone just needs to learn that we're all allowed to have our own opinions about different things.

Confession #29

I feel like we should just get rid of shipping honestly. And this is such a level-headed and mature thing for you to say. I can't even go into the tag of my favorite ship, because people just rag on it and invalidate it in every way possible. My friends and I just want to go on the tag and look at cute photos and fics of our ship, but we can't because people use our tag to hate on the ship. It's really not fair. And I know people say "Well then scroll or block" but that's not the point. The point is about being respectful to all of the ships regardless if you like it or not.

I personally am not a fan of Steddie and I have my reasons why. But you will never find me spewing hate in the Steddie tag because that's not my place and I have no reason to be in the tag in the first place. Like...why do people spend so much time and energy on talking about any ship they hate???? (Hint: Because they actually deep down like the ship they say they hate, I'm so convinced lol.)

And like...if someone wants to hate on a ship, either do it on your own blog or use the appropriate tags and apologize if you use the wrong one!! It's there for people who ship that to enjoy! Same with the Mileven tag, Byler tag, Stancy tag, Jancy tag, etc.

I get your frustration because I am too. So many people have ruined this fandom for other people. No one knows how to get along, no one knows how to just leave other people alone, no one is allowed to have a different opinion, no one is ever allowed to critique characters, it's just so fucking exhausting. Even on this blog I've created, I've had a decent amount of messages just...complaining about a certain ship in the show and I'm just like???? Do people have thoughts and opinions on anything else that doesn't have to do with shipping???

I am sorry you can't enjoy the Byler tag now. I feel the exact same with my favorite ship. It sucks.

[pappydaddy]

Just seen a few spoilers for obx and I'm sick anti jiaras and lesbian kie truthers we really lost here. Hate how this entire show went from a fun friend group that will do anything for each other to everyone has to have a romantic partner within the group or else. Idk if I'll watch s3, which is such a shame bc I was OBSESSED with it in 2021 :/

-obx anon idk if you remember me

ON MY GOSH OBX ANON! I MISSED YOU SO MUCH LOVELY!! how are you (the obx mess aside)?

i was really hoping that they were teasing the relationship between kiara and jj (fools hope i guess). obx is a clear example as to why queer people still have to fight to be represented. kiara is not straight, but each person needs to fit into a nice little pair off and there has to be three girls and three boys who end up together bc heteronormativity wins every time. i wanted kie to have a gf so bad, but nooo. but i also don’t think kie’s charcuterie is ready to be in a relationship. jj either.

but, tbh, i think the writers just don’t know how to make a friend group where there is one girl and the guys don’t all want to get with her. it’s a narrative that is cringy and so over used.

it’s giving low riverdale vibes where the writers were like “screw continuity, we want this”. like it started as looking for gold bars/nuggets, to a golden cross, to whatever the hell they are looking for now. i wanted a ragtag team of friends who are found family (not couples - FOUND FAMILY) who are in over their heads with normal, everyday enemies. thugs wanting the gold, repercussions of their actions, the discrimination between poor and rich, the kooks, the police, etc. not fucking pirates and shit. like it’s not that enjoyable bc it’s lost that carefree, summer, breezy feel to it. it took a huge nose dive and it cannot be pinned on netflix. netflix has its downfalls, but they are doing great with stranger things because it is one of its biggest profits and the writers are GOOD with continuity. now, if they make stancy a thing again, i will riot, but they are showing wills struggles with being queer, they are progressing the show, they are making it realistic (for a sci-fi show) and they are focusing on the characters developments outside of romantic relationships.

i am probably gonna watch it bc i want to write for obx still, but idk, i need to know what to skip.

[trobeds]

i love ronance to death but jancy was really fucking adorable and i miss them too :( duffer brothers watch it ill never forgive u for the st*ncy comeback

[vanesawye]

robin shows up to the hangout steve suggested with nancy & jonathan in this

[you-were-alone-too]

oh and don’t think i’ve forgotten about the way they tried to retcon steve still being in love with nancy in s4 and regressing his character

[beachesgetpeaches]

My fellow Stancies, in these dire times I come to you with my take on this:

This is unimportant for our cause, I assure you. I will also now stop talking like I am leading us into a battle because I feel like it will take away from a few of my points.

I want to address this in format of Q&A with myself.

Has the official statement been made because of that Stancy script?

Yes. And no. I believe the statement was made because said script obviously elicited a response from many many people. The script drew attention, and since it is fake and people have payed for it the writers spoke up. They spoke up about legitimacy of any leaked script that doesn't come from them, and warned against paying for such items. Nothing in their words indicates that the contents of the script were entirely off-base, they do not discuss the contents. They don't want people being scammed with fake source material.

Do we have any reason to worry? Will the hate make them change direction just to cater to the loudest part of the fanbase?

Short answer - no. I firmly believe that Stranger Things is too big of a show with competent people working on it. They have set out to tell their story (maybe not from the very start, but from S2 they set on telling the story of the kids, the teens, Hawkins, Upside Down). They spoke many times that in S5 they plan on resolving all of the plotlines that remain. And they want to do it properly which is why we are going to wait a bit to get that final season. If they are currently set on Stancy happening I do not believe that twitter hate will affect them for two reasons: 1) they don't care for it and are likely aware that the loudest voices aren't necessarily the most numerous (this is imo true 99% of the time on the internet), 2) as I've said they already have a plan, and a reason why they wrote S4 (and S3!) the way they did (aka they're not in the business of catering to fans on any given plotline).

Should the script being fake dim our sparkle?

Fuck no. The fake script is still very very cool because it has shown a few things:

1. That someone relatively impartial (and trying to profit via scamming people) has decided to read that scene the way it was written. There is no proof that the person is anything beyond a scammer, or that they would have any interest in catering towards a particular ship. They wrote what they wrote based on what they saw in the scene (effectively telling antis that their take on scene is delusional).

2. It has shown that a lot of antis do not care for Nancy AT ALL. In fact they dislike her and just like her as a vessel for their ships, the moment she wanders away from their perceived vision of her she is torn apart. Misogyny is real and they've shown it.

3. The outcry and scandal it has caused among antis has been telling. It tells me that when they watch the scene and claim Nancy is portrayed as disgusted at Steve's idea of 6 kids they do not believe it themselves. It's an empty argument they use to discard the scene because if they don't use it then it threatens them and their ships/takes. IF they firmly believed that Natalia has portrayed Nancy as being disgusted none of them would have been screaming crying at the script. They would have said "oh thats obviously fake". But they didn't. Because they know that their take is not supported by source material, and that the script would not be directing that Nancy is disgusted at the idea. They exposed themselves

In the end remember that the writers for such a show will not be easily swayed. They do not depend on ratings and viewership! They have nothing to gain from catering to the loudest voices on twitter of all places. S5 is the last, it's a conclusion, they're not fighting to get renewed or get enough funds. They have anything and everything they need to tell their story. Not the story of crybabies being pissed on social media about their uwu fanon ship.

And we can still (and should still) enjoy that script and use it in edits, it's perfectly wonderful material of fanon. Why not use it?

To wrap it up: Jonathan who?

[adonis-koo]

omg missy you watch stranger things too. after that season i am anti mike wheeler all the way ✋🏽😐

I only have one more episode to go but Mike has been SO disappointing this season 😭 like he was SUCH a good lead through season 1 and 2, I don’t know why they let his character fall off like this and just become emotionally unavailable and lackluster.

Like that fight with El?? She fucking destroyed him 😭 I’m a massive doctor Brenner anti like stop touching man 🤨 literally never been happier to see a character finally be ended on a show.

ANOTHER thought I’m displeased about is the revival of stancy, repetitive and I thought we already closed this arc of the story?? Literally ZERO reason for it to come back.

HOWEVER all of this is passed because I got to vicariously live my mentally unstable rage through El this season like seriously!! Millie is SUCH an incredible actress, she really put her entire soul into this season and I’m HERE for it