#anti pacey x joey

[paceyjoeydaily]

—  i only see daylight, daylight, daylight, daylight.

[livelovecaliforniadreams]

Favorite Pacey/Joey Moments Per Episode: 6x18 Love Bites (Part 4)

[darklinaforever]

Mourning a ship by another ship, part III :

Do you also think that Joey & Rachel were meant to be together ?!

Are you looking for a couple in the same mood ?! Going from friends to final lovers on the couple who was supposed to be the iconic couple one of the series ?!

Well, you find your happiness with Joey & Pacey ! (Jacey)

Who they managed to overtake the couple who should have ended up together originally, namely obviously Joey & Dawson. Sorry, but it should have been the same with Rachel & Joey. She really should have ended up with him, instead of Ross...

[theonethatwatchesalotofshows]

- Pacey in Joey bicker in S1, but pre-S3 the bickering was not meant to indicate attraction (though their chemistry is great and they do have scenes which foreshadow their relationship). Pretty sure Pacey and Joey bickered because they found each other annoying. Also it seems like they both fought for Dawson’s attention.

- Many people say Pacey was into Joey before he was into Andie, but his crush on Joey in S1 was a plot device to redirect Dawson from Jen back to Joey. That’s why it came of nowhere and wasn’t really mentioned again. It was contrived, unlike their S3 romance (In S3 in which it took months for Pacey to realize that he had developed feelings for Joey, not one afternoon). There is even a tumblr blogger who talks about this even though they are a Pacey/Joey shipper.

- The writers used the same formulas with many of the relationships on the show. Not only did they recreate the I-love you-but-I-hate-you, good girl/bad boy dynamic for Pacey/Joey and Joey/Eddie, they tried to do it with Will/Andie (Will has daddy issues and was meant to be a guy with a heart of gold, plus Andie bickered with him). And yes, as you’ve mentioned Dawson and Joey bicker as well. Joey’s cynicism often clashes with Dawson’s idealism.

To previous anon: The problem with Pacey/Joey is that the show keeps hitting us over the head with the narrative that Joey changes men, that Joey is Pacey’s “best” relationship, that Pacey was in love with Joey his whole life and “those feelings were stronger and were wiser and more persistent and more resilient than anything else about [him].” It just feels unearned and/or narratively untrue because Pandie had their dynamic first and they were able to do it better.

Andie was the first one to tell Pacey he was intelligent and was the first one to tell him she was proud of him, she helped him get his “first A”, she called Pacey out on his savior complex, she was aware of his family situation and got his father to give him a hug, she helped forge a relationship between Pacey and Jack that lasted throughout the entirely other the series. I just don’t see how they eclipse PJ. Pandie had the same dynamic as PJ but Pandie grew while being in a relationship while PJ did not. Pacey and Andie were active agents in each others growth.

Yeah true I found it weird when Pacey kissed Joey in season 1 but then in season 3 she was surprised when he kissed her and acted as if he had never done it before and as if it came completely out of nowhere. I mean it's weird for this show that always makes such a huge deal of of kissing. That's why it's obvious that their kiss in season 1 was just a plot device to push Dawson and Joey together. However I do think that Pacey had a small crush on Joey and that's why he teased her so much which later developed into love in season 3.

But that doesn't mean we should erase importance of Andie in his life. I agree with all the reasons you listed why Pandie is better but I would also like to add that Pacey and Andie did stuff equally for each other (just like you mentioned) while when people talk about Pacey and Joey only things HE did for HER come to mind. When Andie is giving Pacey a romantic speech it's about how great he is as a person but when Joey ist giving him one she's basically just listing all the things he had done for her. I feel like there's an imbalance with Pacey and Joey- he always performs acts of service for her and he was almost always the one initiating things between them while she was never quite decided for him and would pick other guys over him or miss other guys while she was with him. Even in the finale when he tells her he loves her she says she loves Dawson.

[paceypeternathanslawyer]

I’ll tell ya... no TV family makes me quite so angry as the entire Leery family and Leery in laws.

Today i’m feeling pure rage towards Aunt Gwen (Dawson’s aunt and Gail’s sister). I’ve been rewatching “Stolen Kisses” and that is a creepy psycho bitch and she needs to be separated from all children.

This is the first sniff of Aunt Gwen being more than just a harmless kooky artsy woman. She is conniving throughout this entire episode trying to force a connection between Dawson and Joey. Also it’s a bit weird to invite only a bunch of kids to your house and then proceed to single out two as them and say only you two are gonna help me shop. You three rando kids who were allowed to be in my care by your parents... ya’ll are on your own. How about you explore the crappy pool hall where God knows what kind of unsavory folks hang around? Also woman!! Why didn’t you fucking shop for food before your guests got there?

OH MY FUCKING WORD!!! This woman needs to get a life instead poking her ugly nose into a bunch of children’s love lives. I know your husband died but maybe it’s time to find a new one cause clearly you can’t help your compulsion to live vicariously through your fucking nephew!!

Seriously woman!! I know you live a boring life in a boring small town but maybe you should find some good activity aside from obsessing about these children’s love lives! Just a thought!

Okay!! Now this is all starting to make sense!! Not only is Aunt Gwen a witch with a capitol B... she’s also an actual witch!!! 

NOOOO!!!! Gwen is a fucking psycho!!! Who paints two children you know because you want them to be in a relationship!?!? Psycho Aunt Gwen does!!!! Get these children away from this woman... i’m seriously scared for their safety!! Also this is a really ugly painting!! This is an insult to the art of painting!! 🤢🤢🤢

It wasn’t until like 20th watching of this episode that I noticed how creepily Aunt Gwen looks at Joey after she says that the Dawson and Joey picture is her favorite. She’s a bit too close to Joey, and she kinda looks at her in a suggestive way that is clearly meant to imply that she is showing Joey this picture to instill romantic feelings towards Dawson. You can kinda see it in picture form but it’s even clearer in video form and I gotta say chief... I don’t like it. I don’t like it fam... it makes me uncomfy how invested Aunt Gwen is in the love life her nephew and this girl she hardly knows.

WHO THE FUCK CARES!!! Maybe if everyone in Dawson’s life didn’t pussy foot around his feelings maybe he wouldn’t be such a fucking spoiled man baby who goes insane whenever he doesn’t get his own way. Or gets scarred whenever he sees a woman make her own decision and not allow him to treat her like a trophy that belongs to him to be put on his mantel and brought down whenever he damn well pleases!! 👿👿

Okay, i’m gonna need ya’ll to file what Aunt Gwen said here in the back of your mind because it’s gonna be important real soon. She told Joey that she needs to tell Dawson about her and Pacey kissing.

This is un fucking believable!!! So she insists that Joey talk to Dawson. Right after she walks in on Joey clearly about to have an important talk with Dawson, interrupts them and then instead of insisting that Joey stay she allows Joey to leave and then fucking Aunt Gwen pulls out that creepy picture and gives it to Dawson. Knowing full well that Joey had just been kissing Pacey and had feelings for Pacey.... she is still conniving to get Dawson to act upon his feelings for Joey. What is her endgame? Her best case scenario is that Joey abandons Pacey for Dawson. How cruel is that? To see that this boy named Pacey Witter has feelings for Joey and then to connive to have Joey break his heart and her own heart in the process. Or worst case scenario for Gwen is it blows up in Dawson’s face and Joey rejects him for Pacey which ulimately happened. How is that being a good aunt? Setting your nephew up for heartbreak? Setting up some other kid for heartbreak and setting up Joey for heartbreak. Aunt Gwen you aren’t even worth a pile of shit!!! Go to hell you witch!!

I find it funny how all throughout this episode she is trying to connive Dawson and Joey back together yet she’s continually pushing Pacey and Joey closer together. Just by her being mostly. She’s this artsy woman that Joey relates to and she was in a boring marriage that the writers are clearly comparing to Dawson and Joey. And they are comparing Pacey to Richard who is the man who “stole” Aunt Gwen from her husband and made her feel alive. And this is clearly how Joey feels... Joey is seeing Dawson as Gwen’s ex husband and Joey is seeing Pacey as the Richard figure who makes her feel alive. So Aunt Gwen is saying how Richard made her feel alive thinking that Joey is gonna realize that Dawson makes her feel alive but in reality Joey is falling more and more in love with Pacey the more Gwen talks. Isn’t it ironic in the words of Alanis Morisette.

In conclusion... the entire Leery family is trash and should be sent to their own ugly toxic island where they can’t infect the rest of the world. 

Also it’s because of this episode that I have fantasies of Aunt Gwen being forced to attend Pacey and Joey’s wedding and seeing once and for all that her conniving did not work one iota!!! True love won out in the end and Dawson got nothing.... I hope his movies will keep him warm at night cause Joey certainly won’t and I can’t imagine anyone putting up with his crap for more than a week!! 😂😂

[blackxones]

things that make me happy: this picture

[italychick]

oKAY so you know that episode of Dawson’s Creek in season 3 where they’re at the prom (you know the one don’t pretend you don’t) and Joey is UNDERSTANDABLY miserable, she has to dance with Dawson all night while staring at the guy she loves as he dances with his ex-girlfriend? And she gets mad at Dawson because he’s acting like this is a date and rubbing it in Pacey’s face even though Joey clEaRLy stated that this was not a date and they were only going as friends? And then instead of acknowledging all of her very real concerns and reasons to be upset?? What does he do????

He gets the world’s most obnoxious grin on his face and says, “It’s just Dawson and Joey, at the prom, having a good time”

NO SHE’S NOT YOU STALE EXCUSE FOR A HUMAN BEING SHE IS NOT HAVING A GOOD TIME.

Uch so anyways. That happened.

[thencomethecherryblossoms]

Nathan and Haley, Pacey and Joey, I am so sorry people compare you to bughead, you absolutely deserve better xo

In what fucking world can you even begin to believe they are in the same stratosphere I -

[acenancy]

Dawson Leery saying “I’m good at impossible situations” when he tried killing one of his best friends for being in love with his other best friend only a year ago. A possible situation he was not good at handling. You love to hear it!!

[paceyjoeydaily]

joey’s relationship with dawson vs joey’s relationship with pacey 

[braidsario]

as much as i think the “you’re off the hook” scene is Perfect and love both their speeches, what i didn’t get was Joey talking about her and Dawson.

i think what she meant by it was “platonic”, but “pure and eternally innocent” w…hat? um, him making her turn her dad in, blaming his father’s death on her, sleeping with her when he had a gf… i mean, they had so much more shit between them compared to PJo, lol. (the only thing that Pacey ever fucked up was the prom, which was such an isolated incident…)

[itsjinkibitch]

This blockhead bitch makes me sick. Who needs enemies when you got an ex/best friend like Dawson. Someone that'd rather keep all of y'alls love lives hostage than admit he lost the girl. JOEY DOESN'T WANT YOU 🗣 If you're not going to respect your friends, at least repeat yourself bro.

[jbuffyangel]

Hey Jen, How are you doing with 2020? I was in a nostalgic mood for some Joey/Pacey vibes so I'm rewatching DC s3. I knew that I didn't like Dawson, not as an individual character nor with Joey but couldn't recall why. I do now. He was a dick when he found out about Pacey and Joey, he insulted both, gave ultimatums and leveraged his friendship to manipulate Joey. I'm wondering what might be your take on when Joey and Pacey fell in love with each other. S3 was a slow build, kinda like olicity.

2020 blows. I’m ready for this year to be over already. 

Let’s talk Dawson’s Creek to distract ourselves from all the awful. There will be SPOILERS in this post. This show is 20 years old so nobody gets to bitch at me about spoilers.

Dawson Leery is the worst part about Dawson’s Creek. He is a supreme dick in Season 3 (and pretty much every season). He refused to be with Joey and yet felt he could dictate who she could or couldn’t date - like she was his property or something.  

He was arrogant, entitled, whiny, judgmental, self righteous and your all around spoiled brat. And Joey and Dawson were just toxic together. The literal definition of co dependent. Yuck. Pacey sums them up the best.

The best choice Joey Potter ever made was dumping his ass for Pacey Witter.

And I assert he should’ve been the character to die in the finale. 

Joey and Pacey were a great slow burn in Season 3. I think the first half of the season is a mess with Eve, Andy cheating on Pacey, Pacey & Jen hooking up. Joey and her never ending nagging of Dawson and Dawson just being Dawson.

I liked that Joey and Pacey were helping each other through some rough break ups (as friends) and I think there’s substantial foreshadowing even as early as 3x01. 

Like when Dawson punches Pacey in 3x03, but Joey sides with Pacey. 

Or when Pacey brings Joey to see True Love for the first time. 

Even though I know Berlanti came up with Joey and Pacey as a couple later into the season, there were moments sprinkled in if you look close enough. And honestly, I feel 75% of it was Josh and Katie’s chemistry.

But for me “Four To Tango” is when I knew it was ON. 

Pacey called Joey a goddess. The dance instructor commented on their sexual chemistry. Joey was jealous of Jen and Pacey. Dawson was jealous of Pacey and Joey. Pacey realized Joey was jealous, which then triggered the internal unleashing of his feelings for her. God, I still remember the promo and I flipped my shit. 

And thus, Pacey was incapable of hiding his feelings for Joey forevermore and it saved the season. And the show.

And Joey - well she answers it in Season 3. 

She realized she had feelings for Pacey after he kissed her or maybe even before. Like I said above, I would say her “before” is the same episode “Four to Tango.” She’s pretty focused on helping Pacey through his break up with Andy in the early episodes of S3, but “Four to Tango” is when she gets jealous. 

And Joey Potter only gets jealous when she’s in love. She’s not able to admit to those feelings for a very long time, but good heavens is it worth the wait.

The show should’ve been called Pacey’s Pond.

[theonethatwatchesalotofshows]

The episode ‘Sex and Violence’ is frustrating to watch. Joey acts completely unprofessional and spills cream on Sadia. Pacey tells Joey that he does not have to respect her or even like her, because she’s his secretary. And then they start making out. Am insulated to find this endearing?

One of the reasons I can’t get behind PJ is because, like Dawson, Pacey casts Joey in the role that he wants her to play in his life. In Love Bites he tells Joey: “my whole life you have been the most beautiful thing in my orbit. And my feelings for you were what proved to me that I could be great. And those feelings were stronger and were wiser and more persistent and more resilient than anything else about me.”

He is making his happiness/self-worth Joey’s responsibility. He loves an idealized version of Joey. This mindset is what led to their breakup in ‘Promicide.’ It doesn’t help that Pacey’s speech feels unearned. I’m glad that he danced with Joey instead of leaving her but I find it hard time to root for them.

Joey’s indecisiveness is really annoying as well. She tells Pacey (and Dawson) that she’s all in and then changes her mind. Joey choosing Eddie after he ditches her twice makes very little sense to me. Maybe the fact that he isn’t her high school ex bf is appealing to her.



Yeah omg I just watched this episode! I mean I'm not gonna lie, they had sexual tension when they were arguing about whether Joey is jealous or not and when they started making out it was hot. But when just like you said, Joey's behavior was unprofessional and annoying and Pacey's: "I don't have to respect you!" was just... yikes. I don't even know who I hated more in that moment.

I don't like what Pacey has become in season 6. Most people praise him for being a "feminist" and "ally to women" but he has his also moments like this one or the episode before (a great episode btw probably the highlight of the last two seasons) when he yelled at Joey that she isn't more devastated about their breakup when it was HIM who broke up with HER and went on to date other people right away as if they never even happened.

While I don't know which speech you're talking about because I haven't got that far yet, you're right that Pacey acts as if his self-worth was Joey's responsibility. It was evident from his outburst in Promicide. While I do think that Joey making him feel bad about himself is a red flag in their relationship, it's not her fault or her responsibility to make him feel good about himself. Just like you pointed out it's similar to Dawson- he aleo feels like everything bad that happens in his life is Joey's fault and she should be there for him to carress his fragile male ego no matter what.

I haven't got as far as when Joey chooses Eddie over him but I disagree with the claim that "Eddie ditched Joey twice". The first time he ditched her but the other time she TOLD him to go. Not defending Eddie or anything (ditching someone once is still one too many times) just setting the record straight

[paceypeternathanslawyer]

The difference between Pacey and Dawson is so stark!!

Just look in “The Anti Prom,” Pacey and Joey are dancing and Joey notices Dawson come up behind them and angrily watching them dance. Joey doesn’t even have to say a word... Pacey doesn’t even have to see her face he knows by her body language that Dawson is behind them. It really shows how empathetic Pacey is and how completely tuned into Joey and her emotions he is...

You compare that to in “True Love.” Joey and Dawson are dancing and Joey is recounting how they are going to spend the summer together and what they are gonna do and Joey is literally crying in Dawson’s arms at the very thought of spending a summer with him instead of Pacey. Dawson is straight up staring at her and acting confused about her reactions. The truth is I don’t want to give Dawson credit by saying that he didn’t realize. The truth is he’s a selfish motherfucker who knew the pain he was putting Joey through and he DID. NOT. CARE. not one bit. Joey is upset and in pain after being manipulated out of a relationship with Pacey BY DAWSON... and Dawson doesn’t care about her pain, all he cares about is that her pain and attitude is cramping his style and his ability to fantasize that they are a perfect happy couple. All Dawson cares about is what he can get from Joey.

How can anyone be Team Dawson... it’s truly the most confusing anomaly. Freud wouldn’t be able to understand Team Dawsoners!!

[blackxones]

man,,,,,FUCK DAWSON LEERY!!!!!!!!