#anti miluca

[lovecolibri]

SaL anon here friend and I promise to only mention this once and you don't even have to publish it if you don't want to but just to get it off my chest the BT 2.0 fandom would not have survived RNM, and frankly the fact that we did while in the deepest of trenches 1) shows how little they know about the BS they're claiming from Tim, Oliver, and everyone involved in the show and 2) shows how little anything they're doing will actually matter.

They think Oliver and the writing is biphobic?? They should go watch the scene where a bi man is used to instigate a horrific threesome involving a gay man and the straight woman who was obsessed with him that triggered many viewers about sexual assault. They think its homophobic to leave lonely, traumatized Tommy on his own without comfort because that's what always happens?? Meet Alex Manes, a character whose actual canon backstory is traumatic, was repeatedly abandoned by those he loves in the narrative (not just Michael, RIP s2 Greg), and had to prop up the straight woman who betrayed him. Oh and that's not even touching on the pre S2 commentary on how the bi character being in a relationship with a woman was "a breath of fresh air". They think the break-up "came out of nowhere"?? Try having one half of the OTP couple that was established on 1x01 give his first ILY to another person, whose relationship was entirely her talking down to him at every opportunity (hmmm, sounds familiar). And this was actually the endgame couple from the start but the literal horrors we went through, even on their goddamn wedding day, I will never put myself through again. But yeah, sure, its biphobic that Oliver thought Buck should get to fool around when that is, to this day the default response to any onscreen break-up of most couples in general. Sure, its homophobic to leave Lou so tragically sad and lonely when the only canon thing we've heard about his friends is that they're close enough he can joke about Buck, his boyfriend, accidentally getting a real corpse for Halloween. The break-up was sooo unexpected when they have shown time and time again Buck and Tommy aren't on the same page and know absolutely nothing about each other even after 6 months. Give me a Fucking Break 🙄🙄🙄🙄.

Oh and yeah, back then we made our voices known. We screamed to anyone who would listen about how fucked up the threesome was, we flooded their sm posts about how "great" the Alex and Maria friendship was with our disagreement, we begged and begged and begged for them to make S2 right by acknowledging, at any level, the fucked uppedness of certain character's actions. And what happened? They doubled down on that character's goodness and righteousness, paired her with the gay man's brother who was his only support in s2, and literally shoved her into every storyline up until the bitter end when she was in the middle of their wedding. They promised up a build-up to our OTP getting together then gave them like 3 scenes in S2, until they made up. They literally promised that our queer couple would be treated the same as the straight one, and we spent most of the last season wondering if half of our couple remembered his boyfriend after he disappeared in a hole and was never mentioned by anyone. No one promised them anything, it was spelled out pretty clearly this was Buck's introductory queer relationship. So 1000% miss me with how fucking "unfair" it is for your couple of 10ish episodes to break up. We were told from the start of the show Malex was "cosmic", and then the show proceeded to do everything in its power to disprove that.

And to be 100% clear, yes, we shouldn't need instances that huge to call out biphobia and homophobia when it happens. But when they get done being childish about things not working out the way they wanted, could someone give them some fucking perspective on what really is offensive and what is whining about not getting your way. To borrow the theme from Josh's poorly laid out Glee argument, show some fucking respect to queer storytelling failures people tried so hard to point out and yet were ignored before you, it might give some damn perspective on the so-called offenses you have have to "endure".

Okay I'm done. I'm sorry if this is extra salty but I have a cold, have been pissed since all the bullshit since 8x06 started, and just overall over the debates about what that relationship deserved. The answer is exactly what Tim and co. promised, and they got it. We didn't. So they can fuck right off.

Hello my friend! This was such a delight to read and so absolutely spot on the money! Maybe, if even one single person was talking about Buck (not the made up "Evan" they have in their heads) and Oliver and what they were hoping for our of a bi coming-out story maybe I'd cock an ear to listen, but the only ones talking about that side of things are us on the other side who agree that the T thing should have ended in 7x05 and allowed Buck to introspect and explore what this means for him. Now, the argument can be made in-universe (because externally we all know it was the early renewal that modified 7b into whatever mess that was, and then other stuff had to happen before Buck's stuff could close out) that it's a real Buck thing to do, just jump into a relationship without thinking. So we're all annoyed, but coping just fine because we saw this storyline for what it was since 7x04 and Buck saying Eddie's name a dozen times in the scene where he's kissed by a man for the first time.

You're absolutely correct that these people NEVER would have survived the RNM torment nexus, IF they were on the Malex side of things. I have a sneaking suspicion they would have been the m*luca/m*lexa type people though because the vibes from them are that rancid.

Thanks for the reminder about exactly how bad RNM treated it's main "cosmic" couple and supposed main character Alex Manes. It really does put 9-1-1s faults this season into perspective, because whoooo boy it could absolutely be worse. They absolutely could have drug that tired ass relationship into hiatus and we would have spent the next several months in misery and honesty, where my life is at right now and the misery the holidays are already going to be? I wouldn't have made it and would probably have had to step back for awhile.

As it is, all their whining and whinging and going on just looks so silly! Like, what do you MEAN you a dick riding so hard for a character that appeared in THREE episodes this season? One, in a brief scene to remind the GA where Buck's story is at in the opening episode, one whole episode to remind the GA that they're dating and to give the GA a clear picture of how that man has been treating Buck for 6 months and how Buck shrinks himself down and allows it, in direct contrast to how Eddie talks to him, even when Eddie ALSO doesn't believe in whatever Buck's going on about, and one episode where Buck tries to do what he thinks is expected of him (and not risk another lecture from the firefam for "giving up too easily" which is honestly ridiculous because it's not a thing that Buck has ever done, ever, and was invented as a reason to make him the problem and keep him in a shitty relationship because FOX is The Worst), and ride it out, only for the audience to find out along with Buck that his BF never thought this was gonna be serious and that was probably why he was a dick to Buck all the time, because he was preparing for Buck to leave instead of, oh, IDK, maybe having a conversation any time in the last 6 months about what either of them wanted or expected out of the relationship.

That??? That is what these people are going crazy over?? That's the "so well developed for a side character" person they are demanding come back??? WHAT ARE THEY EVEN TALKING ABOUT???? HE. WAS. IN. THREE. EPISODES. THIS. SEASON. He wasn't even in all the episodes after 7x04 last season, and some of the ones he was in were like, 30 second scenes that were about moving Buck's story forward! I am BAFFLED at what is happening right now! We have a 7 season slow-burn that is SO CLOSE we can actually taste it and these people want Buck trapped in a relationship with someone who treats him like a child? Who doesn't listen to him, and talks down to him, and doesn't like the parts of him that make him BUCK? T is no better than the Buckley parents in how he treats Buck, which is honestly, subconsciously, probably why Buck keeps staying in these relationships with people that are mean to him. Because it's familiar and now that he knows he failed to save his brother (because of course it's his fault, otherwise his parents wouldn't have hated him so much) it's like he's ALSO denying himself joy, and punishing himself. And these people WANT that for him???? Please. Miss me with that shit. Them claiming Buck is soooo sad and we're hateful because we don't want Buck to be happy are so clearly people who have not actually watched this whole show and have no idea what a martyr Buck is, always blaming himself and thinking he's not good enough to be "kept" by these people and never reflecting on if they were good enough for HIM.

Hopefully, the show blesses us with some kind of queer Eddie hint, or Buck feelings realization going into hiatus and we can all have fun losing our minds and those people can shut up and fuck off forever and ever to whatever project that man is doing next. And we can enjoy Oliver getting to act with someone who actually can, and doesn't have to be talked through kissing another man, and we can enjoy Buck and Eddie FINALLY getting the epic, romantic, soft and sweet, soulmates love story that everyone else on the soulmates show gets to have.

Cheers my friend! I'm always happy to pass around the salt, especially after what is happening over on Insta and some of the absolutely batshit things those people are saying. If anyone has time, go leave some positive comments about Buck's current storyline, and like similar comments. Don't engage with the T positive ones, lets just ignore them like the show ignored T!

[phoenixwitch13]

Michael Guerin Deserves Better Than This Shit

I love both Michael and Alex, and I especially love Malex. I have my crack ships pairing them with other people, but there's no other ship I want more in canon than Malex. That being said, I get really annoyed with Alex stans (I use the word stans instead of fans because they are usually crazy fans who only love Alex and low key seem to hate Michael) who act like Michael is some monster for having dated Maria and like Alex should have been furious with him. Now, I hate Miluca as a ship and Maria DeLuca as a character, so it's not about liking the ship as one of my crack pairings. No, it's all about the fact that for ten years, Alex walked away from Michael. For ten years, Alex broke Michael's heart (I know he had his reasons for his actions and I understand them, but this is still what happened). And for a matter of weeks, Michael dates someone else (because he was not actually with Maria in canon for more than a few weeks and it was, as she said, on a non-exclusive trial basis), and suddenly he's some big bad monster who hurt Alex beyond repair? Sorry, but no. He doesn't deserve to be hated for that. Not when you don't dislike Alex for leaving him over and over again for a decade. You know who Alex should be angry at, though? Maria. He has no right to be angry with Michael for not believing he would stay this time and for trying to move on with someone else (not saying he can't feel hurt, but he doesn't have a right to be angry with Michael the way some stans wanted him to be). But he can be angry with Maria for getting together with Michael after finding out about him being in love with him when she claims to be Alex's best friend. Alex can be angry with Maria all he wants because she was a crappy friend, but being angry with Michael for dating someone else, no matter who that person was, would only make him look like an ass, which is probably why he had no anger toward Michael on the show. The people who think he should be angry with Michael look like hypocrites, especially since many of them happily also ship Alex with Forrest or Kyle or sometimes even Max, Michael's brother. So, what? Only Alex is allowed to be happy with someone else when the love of his life leaves him? Michael just has to suffer? This post is not supposed to be anti Alex. I love him and don't actually think he did anything wrong in canon. What I'm calling out is the behavior of his stans, which is really not cool. Michael doesn't deserve that bullshit, and I think if Alex was a real person, he'd be pissed at anyone who thought Michael deserved for him to be angry with him and to suffer the way some fic writers try to make him.

Also, if you disagree, know you won't change my mind on this, so don't waste your time typing something out to rant at me, okay? I'll probably just delete your reply without finishing reading it. Maria DeLuca stans DNI. Miluca stans DNI. Crazy Alex stans who hate Michael even though that means Alex would hate you, DNI.

[pastelwitchling]

Some late-night M*ria D*Luca hate, because why not?

Looking at some of these malex gifs just reminds me of how, with They-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named, it was always about her, and what was going on with her, and how she was feeling about whatever was going on, whether it was going on with her or not, and Michael never cared one way or another. He was just there for the ride, you know? Go along with whatever conversation she would bring up, and it always lacked any heart. It's so easy for me to write Michael as indifferent or barely there during that "relationship" because everything he did felt like obligation.

He listened to her because he should, he defended her because he should, he talked to her because he should, and it was always always always about her. She never saw the issue there either. Never realized or cared that everything about their relationship centered around her. That she didn't know him and didn't care to.

Compare that to Alex? Who could see when Michael was struggling with something and wanted to know? Who actually asked and pushed and comforted? They talked about Alex's time in the military, his struggles, his fears, his family - even before they ever dated, and not nearly enough, but they did - and more than anything, they talked about Michael. What did M*ria ever know about Michael? What did she ever care to ask or question?

They wanted to pretend she was some kind of no-nonsense badass, but the only person she ever cared about defending or protecting or being there for was herself. Whenever anything came up, it was always about how it affected her. Alex, on the other hand? Sees Michael acting weird, he's not having it. His no-nonsense badass personality comes into play when the man he loves is threatened or insulted or hurting. He puts his foot down and his pride aside when he has to push past Michael's snark and find out what's bothering him. Why didn't M*ria resonate with people the way Alex did? Why didn't she get the same sympathy? People want to come up with a litany of ridiculous excuses, but the simple truth? She was fucking selfish. Not to say Michael wasn't sometimes, not to say Alex wasn't sometimes, but when it really mattered, Alex showed that his priority was Michael and Michael's feelings. M*ria showed that her priority was herself.

Anyway. Alex deserved more recognition in the show for how much he loved and how strong his love was, and I will never stop pointing it out. I'll write a fic on this soon, but I just wanted to get some feelings out while they were fresh.

[userlaylivia]

just to be clear, this poll is to guess which ship I hate most not the one you hate most lol I know sometimes ppl click.on an option without reading it right or tags or anything so I wanted to be clear lol I do hate every ship here but there's one I hate most!!

[dayscrazed]

Malex are Ross and Rachel...

“No, no problem, sir, I just need you to let me off the plane.”

“I’m sorry, Captain, we’re cleared for takeoff.”

“Sergeant, this is a serious personal matter and I need to be let off the plane!”

Since it was charging, Michael couldn’t pick up his phone. He yelled to it, “Let him off the plane!”

“Captain Manes, I apologize but I can’t do that.”

“Please, sir, you don’t understand!”

Michael screamed, “Try to understand!”

“Please, sir, there must be a way for you to let me off the-”

The voicemail cut off.

[aplaceinme]

Was reading a malex fic… and it was going great. The plot was intriguing, it was well written, it had one of the tropes that I love but… not only was miluca mentioned in a great light (Michael fondly thinking of his time with her) but malexa was also mentioned and in a great light as well (briefly describing that awful scene as something amazing). I don't know how I managed to not throw up. It just completely ruined the fic for me. Also, it wasn't tagged, it didn't appear as a 'warning note for this chapter' or something like that…. Why? Why would you do that?? You need to tag that shit, especially if you're going to mention miluca and malexa as a good thing… please tag it!! Or put a warning note!!! Anyway, I can't continue to read it…

[deafeningnightcollection-things]

Yes!!! 👏 This is everything that I have been saying for years.

(You put it way more succinctly than I ever could though.)

So, the other day I had an epiphany about my absolute rage when it comes to maria and since i already live in a saltmine atm i figured, why not put it into words?

Disclaimer: If you like maria and don’t want to see her (or her writing) get criticized this isn’t a post for you, kindly move along

Keep reading

[ladyinrosso]

My dear shipper of fandom's most popular ship, I do get why you ship it but (and that's maybe will be a shock to some of you) I simply don't.

[dr-lizortecho]

For RNM, ❤️💚💕

Which character do you think is the most egregiously mischaracterized by the fandom?

Ummm- Maria, like she’s just not whatever all her haters try and paint her as? The opposite tbh. They just don’t get her like I get her. Max too (just a different sector of fandom) like the amount of people who think he’s inherently cruel or the takes on him being homophobic are silly to me.

What does everyone else get wrong about your favorite character?

Ha ha ha- so much. She’s not anti-marriage or men… she’s not selfish or cruel. She’s not a bad friend. She’s not more focused on herself then others- her steam rolling of her loved ones is because she is so focused on them instead of herself. She’s much more feminine than fandom would have you believe. She’s flawless because of her flaws. Also- she’s autistic.

What is an unpopular ship that you like?

All of them tbh. Miluca and malexa are probably the most disliked unpopular ones. And Kaliz and Kyliz are probably my most favorite that are just unpopular cause people don’t create/interact with them.

send me an unpopular fandom ask <3

[mazzystar24]

ALEXANDER MANES IS IN A SINKHOLE AND THE WRITERS WERE LIKE YUP IT MAKES NARRATIVE SENSE THAT THE SAME BOYFRIEND THAT WAS READY TO DIVE HEADFIRST INTO AN OMINOUS SINKHOLE WOULD BE JUST CHILLING BY THE FIRE WITH HIS EX PLEASE TELL ME WHAT THEY ARE SMOKING

[padfootprongslet]

No. Fuck you. People hated on Maria’s character (not the actress but the CHARACTER) because she ended up FORCING a threesome between a gay character who was in no position to say NO.

NO ONE hated on Michael for dating a woman. Get your fucking facts straight (heh).

Sincerely,

This Bisexual Bitch

I am glad fandoms are talking about and highlighting biphobia given what happened to Kit Connor.

I still remember the nasty Biphobia in the Roswell New Mexico fandom, especially during season 2 when there were all these posts about how the show was erasing queer characters… and Michael Guerin was still right there! All he was doing was dating Maria instead of Alex. And suddenly that made him no longer a part of the LGBTQ+ community and the actors (One of whom is black and got racist hate) and writers got attacked on social media/twitter for ‘Queer Baiting’. And quite a few of the folks doing the attacking were cis straight women who wanted their m/m slash ship and didn’t like a black woman getting in the way of that.

Bi-erasure is real. Toxic Biphobia in fandoms is real. And sometimes the hate affects real people and in this case, a teenager being forced to come out.

[pastelwitchling]

Chapters: 1/3 Fandom: Roswell New Mexico (TV 2019) Rating: Explicit Warnings: No Archive Warnings Apply Relationships: Michael Guerin/Alex Manes Characters: Alex Manes, Michael Guerin, Kyle Valenti, Eduardo Ramos, Maria DeLuca Additional Tags: Malex, Anti Miluca, Anti Maria DeLuca, Cheating Summary:

After a dangerous collision between an alien turquoise and necklace, Michael wakes to a reality where he's married to Maria instead of Alex.

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Trust me.

[userlaylivia]

Roswell NM

finally answering this, sorry I was asleep <3

otp: michael/alex, max/liz

favorite canon pairing: malex, echo

worst pairing ever: michael/maria, surprising since they were my second otp on the og lol

guilty pleasure pairing: kyle/isobel though they are my otp as well, kyle/liz, liz/isobel

a pairing you want to see more: kyle/isobel, isobel/liz, dallas/maria

that pairing everyone likes but you're like "lol no": they are by far not very popular on the reboot as the og and malex definitely has more shippers but michael/maria mainly because of the og people probably expected them and expected to ship them lol

favorite non romantic pair: maria/liz, max/michael/isobel

[dayscrazed]

Another Friends AU This time, Michael and Alex are Ross and Rachel, respectively. Michael and Alex must navigate their off and on again relationship as they seem to always break each others hearts by sleeping with other people or not communicating when one of them prepares to leave town. Canon Divergent & chapter titles from "betty" by TSwift.

[manes24]

Malex fans are too loud, and apparently that is why Malex is endgame 🤣🤣🤣 It couldn’t possibly be because the narrative of the entire show showcases Malex as being the ultimate relationship for Michael and Alex. Ever since the pilot Malex has been written to be the couple for Alex and Michael. It’s easy to blame the loud Malex fans but are you forgetting that Mr Michael Vlamis is the biggest fan of Malex out of all of us. Bullying Malex fans is easy, but it’s funny that these same fans have nothing to say about Vlamis stanning Malex and never giving Miluca his time when their characters were together. It’s like when they hate and bully on Tyler Blackburn and his fans, but have nothing to say about their own favourites (Trevino, Vlamis, Hemmens) still championing and being good mates with Tyler. It’s all soooo fake.

[eternallymalex]

is it too early to be petty that m*aria walked alex down the aisle instead of

- Greg

- Flint

- Arturo

- Kyle

- Sanders

- literally anyone who isn't the snake that got together with the love of his life behind his back, never apologised for it, treated his sexuality like a personal inconvenience to her, SA'd him and was an absolute bitch to his husband basically every time they shared screen time