#anti karen wheeler

[thebussynotes]

I know I haven’t been to active here but-

Reminder that it will always be Karen’s fault that Billy died.

I said what I said 🤷‍♂️

[starry-eyed-steve]

The whole Billy and Karen plot still makes me super uncomfortable. In general, the whole sexualization of Billy's character, who was still a teenager, was extremely gross and done in poor taste. The shot where the middle-aged women were ogling him was so unnecessary.

The show could've given us a Karen cheating storyline with a guy her age, not the freshly turned 18 teenager who goes to the same school as her daughter.

[jacksonseymour13]

I'm just saying 🤭

[enchanted-day-dreams]

Ugh, I hate Karen Wheeler stans, especially Karen/Billy shippers. Miss me with that 'The bored housewife should get to fuck the barely legal teenager' bs, especially if it's someone who has an issue with Eddie and Chrissy. If she wanted to fuck around, she could've chosen someone more age appropriate and not fresh out of fucking high school, but no, because of the Duffers and Shawn Levy simpimg over Cara Buono, we had to be subjected to Karen's thot era. 🥴

[sleepyicon]

harringrove is pure fanon fun, but canon was sleeping on hollogrove

[dragonflylady77]

Until we decide what to do with her...

[local-redhead-bookworm]

Another day in the Billy fandom, a bunch of us got blocked for pointing out that someone’s #girlboss was actually creeping on a whole minor

[ronancebyler]

i dont like b*lly but i don't like k*ren either. he tried to run over kids with a car and was horribly racist and abusive. she was actively pursuing a minor who was closer to her daughters age than hers. fuck both of them.

[mungroveenthusiast]

"Karen didn't sleep with Billy though, how did she groom him?"

Grooming isn't always sexual. The definition is "when someone builds a relationship, trust and emotional connection with a child or young person so they can manipulate, exploit and abuse them"

Karen started thirsting over Billy when he was 17 (in my country that's a child) she was getting ready to go hook up with him. How else would you define that???

[findafight]

Hmmm that Joyce doesn’t care about Steve got me thinking….

And if she were played by anyone but Winona, I’d agree, I’d think she hates Steve because Jon hates him… but like. One thing that I like about st is that the Byers don’t have weird overbearing relationship with their mother, that happens a lot with people in their situation. And I can’t imagine Joyce hating on Steve? Or even not caring for him? Mostly because after very quick break up that he and Nancy had, he continues to drive the kids around? I think she would totally notice it and appreciate it, especially since he obviously drove Will around too, let them in to see the movies for free and etc. Joyce is a kind of person who is both not shocked by violence (her relationship with Hopper is old, they were friendly at school, and she is fine with him, let alone Lonnie), and appreciates kindness (Bob). Will coming home and telling her how they hanged out at the mall and Steve was there and he let them in to the movies for free and then gave them some leftover ice cream, and then when his shift ended he drove them home, because it was too hot for bycicles? Steve is a sweet kid. What’s not to like, literally. He was at their home and helped them against the demogorgon because he came to apologize to Jon specifically! She likes Hopper, what she is going to think that Steve is too much for her? He is a kid with big brown eyes who is capable of recognizing that he was in the wrong, knows how to apologize and who drives her youngest around, and DUSTIN likes him very much! Dustin, who was the most bullied out of them all! Even Jonathan doesn’t think that Steve is a bad person, by the way! Jonathan thinks that Steve is stupid and irresponsible (compared to Jon). It’s his selling point to Nancy (but remember, I can write a nice essay, Nancy!).

As for Karen, that weird middle life crisis that the Duffers wrote for her is so misogynistic that I can’t even with that. I am so upset about that. For real, they are such assholes.

all good points for her liking Steve! but tbh I just think Joyce....doesn't really think about Steve all that much. Not that she doesn't have reasons to like him! Just that she has her sons and her job and her life, I don't know if she would really be paying much attention to Steve. He's Dustin's older friend who gives the kids rides, which is nice, he's involved with the Upside Down and helped them. I'm sure she appreciates his help, but she just doesn't really feel the need to think more of him?

I think if Jon vocally didn't like him (which he may have post s1 or 2, not that steve was a bad person [because he did save Jon and Nancy's lives] but that he was dumb and annoying) she might clock it as weird because Steve seems nice. He protected the kids, he drives them around, he probably lets them raid the cupholders of his car for spare change. But Jon is her son and so she would take his opinion into account, possibly without realizing that Nancy used to date Steve and now she's dating Jonathan.

I think the Byers are pretty insular in their protection, and Joyce did move away from Hawkins, leave Steve as the oldest in the know, when it's come back twice when they thought it was over. So maybe she's a bit suspicious of him, or barely thinks about him. I don't think she's all that motherly towards him though. she could be! but eh. probably not.

as for karen....they shouldn't have done that. If they wanted a "Woman tired of her boring suburban life takes her power back" plot and have her hit on an established character they should have had her try to flirt with Mr. Clarke. Maybe set up a "date" with him (but for comedy purposes and #gay Scott Clarke truthers, have him legit think she wants to know more science. autistic icon Scott Clarke ily) and then! have her back out and set up the fair date with mr. wheeler, have him pay the ferris wheel attendant to stop at the top (despite his fear of heights) and have them have a nice time with a weird intermission running into Hop and Joyce.

there are so many ways to do that than have her flirt with a boy her daughter's age!! it's gross!!!

[starry-eyed-steve]

The streets (twitter) say that Karen is gonna get killed off. I just saw the supposed leaks and wow. Don't get me wrong, I don't really care about the Wheelers, esp the parents, but I think it's some sort of justice after Karen went after a teenage boy to cheat on her husband. Idk what the Duffers were thinking, making her out to be a pedophile, and then never touching on it again or condemning it in the show. Think what you will about Billy. This was extremely wrong and disgusting. It ruined her character for me.

However, I would really hate this to happen for Nancy and Mike. Especially Nancy already suffered so much. First, her best friend, then another friend she worked with, her bosses tried to kill her and then died a gruesome death in front of her. And now they gonna take away her mom (possibly her dad as well) after everything? I mean, if she snaps and goes on a rampage, I wouldn't blame her. Poor girl has suffered enough.

[jacksonseymour13]

I find it hilarious how Billy antis claim our only reason liking him is because he's hot. Like yeah he's attractive but the only reason? Come on bro.

You guys straight up simp for Karen and blindly defend her on the pure basis of being the parent to Nancy & Mike and being hot. You have nothing outside that to support or like this character in anyway.

They hate Billy for reasons that either aren't canon, valid or strong enough to have any weight to them.

I hate Karen for being a pointless character and disgusting creep to my favorite character. She's also the main reason why Billy died in the fucking first place but I'm wrong for liking Billy because he "durr racist"

baseless Interpretation = canon(apparently)

[80svhstapes]

Genuinely curious where the idea of females getting a pass comes from. I feel like the ST fandom is cruel and considering how they reacted to Chrissy or even Susy (blaming her for Jim's death, even though he clearly wasn't). They'd prob shit on Billy no matter the gender :/

its mostly the main girls that get passes on doing really shitty things, just to name the most common ones

max stabbbing billy in the neck with a used syrienge with an unknown substance in it and her threatening him with a nail bat gets the "girlboss" label

nancy gets the "girlboss" label for being trigger happy, gaslighting steve in s2 and being so mean to robin in s4 it walks right into ableism and abusive territory

karen gets the whole "trapped in a marriage" and "lonely wife who needs someone" bullshit even though she's CANONICALLY A FUCKING PEDOPHILE, NOT TO MENTION SHE GROOMED A BOY YOUNG ENOUGH TO BE HER SON

[maxmayfieldirl]

Modern day Karen would be a family blogger that exploits her children. I just kinda get that vibe sometimes

[darkcrowprincess]

light bulb 💡 moment:

Maybe Mike is like that(especially in season 3 and 4) because both his parents suck.

[thatonesongyouretryingtoremember]

Do you think Hopper and Karen take non-apology classes together?