#anti jancy?

[dwobbitfromtheshire]

Someone called wolf a long time ago on Stancy being a misogynistic ship, and it hasn't been able to escape the stink of that, which is sad that it's supposedly more misogynistic than the ship where a guy took non-consensual pictures of the girl, called her a slut for sleeping with Steve, and said that she'd end up being miserable like her parents. There's more evidence that Jancy is, but no one wants to admit that because the actors are together. Not to mention, he sat there while his girlfriend was being bullied and harassed by older men, then got mad at her when she was rightfully upset. That was probably an unpaid internship. They weren't getting paid enough, perhaps even at all for Jonathan to help Joyce out with the bills. It wasn't worth the pain that Nancy was going through. And I'm not saying that he had to stand up for her, but Nancy was looking for some sympathy and comfort. While Steve didn't agree with Nancy about facing the lab, he obviously said the wrong thing about pretending, he did comfort her. . .and he absolutely would have been on Nancy's side on this because his dad's a cheating asshole, his mom's respectable, and he used her as a reference for Family Video. . .Steve probably sees a lot of misogyny at home. I like to think he's a total mama's boy. Steve owned up to mistakes, apologized, and ended up stepping up for Nancy while Jonathan apologized once, then took it back, then never apologized again. There's a lot of resentment between Nancy and Jonathan because Jonathan has jealousy issues concerning the fact that Nancy and Steve both had it easier than he did. So, if anyone needs to be single for a while. . .it's Jonathan. Natalia even said it herself. They love each other, but they also hate each other, and that's a problem, especially considering how they started. It's frustrating to see people put Jancy's problem onto Stancy when they know there's nothing wrong with Stancy, other than the real truth, is that it's too boring for them which is exactly what they need after everything they went through. . .boring, healthy relationships. Not to say that Jancy couldn't work on their problems, but I think they'd need to be apart for that to happen because I do think there is some guilt there, too, with how they started out. Nancy was vulnerable, and her relationship with Steve was barely cold. . .they both didn't think it through. Nancy should be forgiven for that, though, because, like I said, she was vulnerable. There's way more evidence that Jancy is misogynistic rather than Stancy. The truth is people prefer problematic relationships over long-term healthy ones because if Steve wanted to hold Nancy back, then why didn't he fight for her back in s2? Why did he back off and say it was okay? Why did he put it all on himself and not on her? Because if he did want to hold her back, he would have been mad at her. He let her go, and she started coming back to him. I do think both ships are valid. They both have weight, but Jancy has WAY more problems because you can say that everything that Nancy and Steve did together was consensual, but you literally CAN'T say that with Jonathan and the pictures he took. It's canon. He did that. That's one of the problems they have, that's one of the problems that they have. He didn't just take a picture of Nancy when she was vulnerable but of Barb when she was vulnerable, too, and Jonathan was the last person to see her alive. There has to be a little resentment on Nancy's part for that.

[jackietaylorapologist]

why don't we talk about will and nancy as a duo!!!

just imagine how they talk about their silly boyfriends

[love-byers]

mike watching will dance with a girl vs jonathan watching nancy dance with steve

both in s2 btw

[bylertruth3r]

90'S BYLER AT A RESTAURANT BAR IN THE EPILOGUE IN 1990 they're definitely already together in this scene and Jancy, Jopper and Lumax are there with them, what if we get Mike and Will drunkenly flirting with each other? What if Mike and Will live together??

DRUNK BYLER

OMG??

1987 Byler riding bikes with Holly, 1987 Byler on a field together,1987 Byler in high school together, 1989 Byler graduating together and going to college together and maybe living together, 90's Byler going to a bar together with Jancy, Lumax and Jopper,now all we need is 90's Byler at a gay bar together and dancing with each other and them kissing each other

mlvn is bones meanwhile Mike and Will are at a bar together in the 90's and still attached at the hip😭

Maybe we're gonna get 90's Byler going to college together and them living together as boyfriends in the epilogue?

Noah might be filming at the Radio Station today

90's Byler, Jancy, Lumax and Jopper all in the same place (endgame couples)🙂‍↕️

before people start saying stuff the wrap party happened yesterday

[will80sbyers]

They all find their lovers vs. El (saves) finds herself

[willclericby3rs]

So I was rewatching S3 and it made me realise just how awful mike and el truly are together romantically, (well, duh) and how shitty it would be if they were endgame

In *this* scene they don't even discuss eachothers feelings, talk about their breakup or talk about why the other person was upset etc etc....

they just simply avoid talking about any of their issues, and el is peachy with him again like nothing happened

and if, on the rare occasion they do discuss their issues (referencing S4) it just leads to gaslighting and denial.

and the whole time I was watching it I was just like "really el?? really?? you'll take him back just like THAT??"

I found it so interesting how he still called her a "species" like I know it's meant to be comedic or whatever but like cmon michael😭😭

comparing jancy talking about their problems (in the same ep might I add) and listening to why the other person was upset is just so telling honestly.

and ur telling me this is the main couple I'm meant to be rooting for??

not a chance.

[rana030]

Let's not forget that jonathan wanted nancy to fulfill her dreams even if that meant letting her go whilst steve wants her for his own 6 little nuggets fantasy

[lunabug2004]

Ya'll probably know this by now given how much I post about it but one of my favorite pastimes is watching people react to Stranger Things. I bring this up this time because I've noticed a pattern.

People root for Mileven in seasons 1 and 2 with no problem (with the exception of a couple of reactors who took forever to pick up on it in s1 or just didn't like the idea of rooting for such young kids to be kissing). Esp s2 because everyone wants them to reunite and then said reunion is absolutely adorable.

However, by about halfway through ep1 of s3, everyone just seems to be so bored of them. Like nobody I've watched has ever really expressed the want for them to get back together when they break up. I realize this is probably partially because of the annoying nature of their relationship and the way their whole breakup is played off like a big joke, but that's actually precisely what I'm getting at. Why would the writers choose to make it so easy to stop rooting for the "main couple" of the show??? Just so they could have a comeback arc or seven? If Mileven is endgame, this will probably be one of my biggest hangups, esp given the way Mike was the brunt of the "joke".

One of the main reasons I always go back to Byler endgame despite all of my doubt is because of how the writers treat Mileven's relationship. It's pretty toxic and so it's easy to stop rooting for them or just the repetitive-ness of their story as a couple makes them boring. They wouldn't make the "main couple" the most annoying couple in the show if they were actually going to be endgame.

[messrsbyler]

EEEEEEKKKKKK!!!

[harringroveera]

AU where Billy and Jonathan team up to split Steve and Nancy apart — they nailed it perfectly

[sarahivess]

I think I’ve seen this before

And I liked the ending

[evilbookworm]

Love how mileven and stancy are associated with the word bullshit and byler and jancy are associated with the word crazy. Like come on that is so obvious.

[cluelessbees]

Interesting how the other canon couples have a scene where they finish each others sentences

Including byler

And yet…

[love-byers]

the first time i saw this, when i was NOT a byler shipper, i thought el was running TO mike. i thought we were getting a sweet moment where el runs to mike and he puts an arm around her or hugs her.

then i realized she was running away from him. 

and i was like, why?? they're supposed to be the couple why does she not want his comfort??

and even after will calls her out on doing mike wrong by lying to him, even after she sees that mike is attempting to talk to her and comfort her, that he's not angry at her, she still tells angela to lie to mike. more lies. that's how much she cares about keeping up the persona. had angela lied to mike, el would've continued lying to him the entire week. something she knows in her heart is wrong and not fair to mike.

this is a theme in s4. putting who you want to be seen as before being honest with your bf/gf. going above and beyond to preserve your lie, to be seen as who you want to be.

chrissy does that with jason. who she portrays herself as is completely different than who she really is and what she's really going through. jason has absolutely no idea chrissy is struggling and refused to believe chrissy would buy drugs, because chrissy didn't want to tell him. who knows how jason would've reacted if chrissy was honest, we don't know because chrissy didn't trust him enough to tell him. that's not love at all, that's sad.

this is a point in s2 as well. murray calls nancy out for being afraid to be her true self, and she stays with steve because she doesn't have to be her true self around him. she is her true self when she's with jonathan, and that's why they worked together. that's love.

the exact same thing happens with chrissy. the first time we see her genuinely smile is when she's with eddie. she's sweet and charismatic, and had she lived she totally would've gone to eddie's show, something you never would've expected from her, something her boyfriend, the person she pretends to love, would NEVER do.

robin and steve reinforce this too

you fall in love with the person who makes you feel accepted, the person who makes you feel like you can be who you are. the person you trust with your true self.

mike and el don't trust each other enough, they don't understand each other well enough.

they would have to change their behavior towards each other by leaps and bounds, and we're already at the last season. there is no time for that. stranger things isn't a multi season show about the complexity of romantic relationships and the healthy way to resolve problems. there is no time for that in just about any movie or show, especially a sci-fi show. you know what's way easier and way more likable? pairing your character with someone they naturally click with, who bring out the best in each other and for some reason can't help but be their authentic selves when they're with each other.

did it with jancy, like i said earlier

did it with lumax. when lucas and max talked on the bus max found herself spewing about things she'd never even said out loud before, and she had to stop herself. something about lucas just made her feel comfortable, like she could be herself and tell the truth. she trusted him.

"You're nothing like your brother, okay? You're cool and different, you're super smart, and you're like, totally tubular."

jopper too! joyce constantly had to hide things from bob, she was insecure about their family not being normal.

"This is not a normal family."

"It could be."

though bob had good intentions, the message of the show is not trying to be normal when you aren't. whatever it is about you that makes you weird or different, whatever you've been through that changed you, stay true to it. dont bottle it up and try to be someone else. all of vecnas victims in s4 were doing this, and it didn't end well for them.

they even did it with dustin and suzie. dustin constantly tries to impress max with his teeth, then in season 3 he says suzie thinks kissing is better without teeth. he doesn't have to be insecure about that or try to impress her. she likes him for him.

mike isn't comfortable being his true self around el either. he's insecure about his interests, he feels like he has to act older and cooler to impress her.

you shouldn't be with the person you feel you have to impress. you should be with the person who relieves that pressure, who makes you feel like being the authentic you is enough.

jonathan and nancy, lucas and max, joyce and hopper, dustin and suzie,

cough WILL AND MIKE cough...

[bylertruth3r]

alright so let's recap..

Nancy was her worst self when she was with Steve she couldn't love Steve because she's in love with Jonathan, she lied to Steve and said "i love you" to him, Steve broke up with her and she got with Jonathan, Nancy told Jonathan about her problems with Steve on a car, Jonathan lied about Steve asking him to bring Nancy home to help stancy, Jancy can say they love each other to other people, they never felt unloved by one another, they actually know each other and can list each other's qualities

Mike is his worst self around El, he lies and feels like he has to change himself to feel liked by El (El did the same in s4), Mike can't love El because he's in love with Will, Mike can't even say he "loves" El to Will and kept saying "if i had said THAT THING" instead of "i should've said how much i love her" like an actual bf in love would do.. El felt unloved by Mike, Mike told Will about his problems with El on a car, Will lied about the painting to help mlvn, even after Mike said "i love you" they still aren't on good terms, in s5 mlvn is gonna break up (will it be mutual?) and Mike is gonna get with Will, Mike said he loved El in S3 (platonically) but in S4 Mike knew El meant it romantically so he didn't want to lie to her (he then lied to her)

Nancy and Mike come from the same family so saying "Nancy couldn't love Steve because she's in love with Jonathan" and saying "Mike couldn't say he loves El because of his family" is contradictory and lowkey homophobic

[will80sbyers]