#anti jancy?

[dwobbitfromtheshire]

Someone called wolf a long time ago on Stancy being a misogynistic ship, and it hasn't been able to escape the stink of that, which is sad that it's supposedly more misogynistic than the ship where a guy took non-consensual pictures of the girl, called her a slut for sleeping with Steve, and said that she'd end up being miserable like her parents. There's more evidence that Jancy is, but no one wants to admit that because the actors are together. Not to mention, he sat there while his girlfriend was being bullied and harassed by older men, then got mad at her when she was rightfully upset. That was probably an unpaid internship. They weren't getting paid enough, perhaps even at all for Jonathan to help Joyce out with the bills. It wasn't worth the pain that Nancy was going through. And I'm not saying that he had to stand up for her, but Nancy was looking for some sympathy and comfort. While Steve didn't agree with Nancy about facing the lab, he obviously said the wrong thing about pretending, he did comfort her. . .and he absolutely would have been on Nancy's side on this because his dad's a cheating asshole, his mom's respectable, and he used her as a reference for Family Video. . .Steve probably sees a lot of misogyny at home. I like to think he's a total mama's boy. Steve owned up to mistakes, apologized, and ended up stepping up for Nancy while Jonathan apologized once, then took it back, then never apologized again. There's a lot of resentment between Nancy and Jonathan because Jonathan has jealousy issues concerning the fact that Nancy and Steve both had it easier than he did. So, if anyone needs to be single for a while. . .it's Jonathan. Natalia even said it herself. They love each other, but they also hate each other, and that's a problem, especially considering how they started. It's frustrating to see people put Jancy's problem onto Stancy when they know there's nothing wrong with Stancy, other than the real truth, is that it's too boring for them which is exactly what they need after everything they went through. . .boring, healthy relationships. Not to say that Jancy couldn't work on their problems, but I think they'd need to be apart for that to happen because I do think there is some guilt there, too, with how they started out. Nancy was vulnerable, and her relationship with Steve was barely cold. . .they both didn't think it through. Nancy should be forgiven for that, though, because, like I said, she was vulnerable. There's way more evidence that Jancy is misogynistic rather than Stancy. The truth is people prefer problematic relationships over long-term healthy ones because if Steve wanted to hold Nancy back, then why didn't he fight for her back in s2? Why did he back off and say it was okay? Why did he put it all on himself and not on her? Because if he did want to hold her back, he would have been mad at her. He let her go, and she started coming back to him. I do think both ships are valid. They both have weight, but Jancy has WAY more problems because you can say that everything that Nancy and Steve did together was consensual, but you literally CAN'T say that with Jonathan and the pictures he took. It's canon. He did that. That's one of the problems they have, that's one of the problems that they have. He didn't just take a picture of Nancy when she was vulnerable but of Barb when she was vulnerable, too, and Jonathan was the last person to see her alive. There has to be a little resentment on Nancy's part for that.

[teambyler]

What the people who call Bylers delusional sound like

It's the middle of Season 2...

You Jancy fans are delusional!

Nancy LOVES STEVE. She TOLD HIM she did. She only has trouble expressing her feelings because she's from a loveless family. She wouldn't lie to him! Are you saying she's a liar?

And they KISSED! Multiple times in the show!

It's ALWAYS been them since the beginning!

Steve RISKED HIS LIFE and went back in the Byers house to save Nancy. He didn't have to do that! Steve WOULD DIE FOR NANCY. Steve loves Nancy!

Steve's AMAZING and a great guy. He even helped buy a new camera for Jonathan. Admit it: you just hate Steve!

Nancy and Jonathan have no chemistry. Did you see how they argue with each other? How he insists on speaking his mind?

You think Nancy would love someone who criticizes her instead of Steve Harrington, the love of her life who would die for her?

Steve's popular and Nancy's pretty. It's not realistic for weirdos and outcasts like Jonathan to get girls like Nancy in the 80s.

What a CREEP! He STALKED Nancy and took photos of her! His "love" -- if you can call it that -- is UNHEALTHY and he should learn to MOVE ON. It's clearly one-sided. Nancy was nice to him because she's a decent person and wanted to find Barbara. You think she'd go for a guy who's obsessed about her? If you think she'll choose a stalker over the man who saved her life then you're clearly sexist.

He even took Nancy home from the party when she was drunk and wasted, when she's already WITH STEVE. He tried to STEAL Nancy. What a homewrecker!

And why are you online obsessing about two minors having sex anyway? You're a CREEP like Jonathan. NANCY LOVES STEVE.

The show told you they're just FRIENDS:

They're FRIENDS. They SAID IT!

You're DELUSIONAL. And your posts about them BOTHER ME SO MUCH

-teambyler

[love-byers]

mike watching will dance with a girl vs jonathan watching nancy dance with steve

both in s2 btw

[bylertruth3r]

90'S BYLER AT A RESTAURANT BAR IN THE EPILOGUE IN 1990 they're definitely already together in this scene and Jancy, Jopper and Lumax are there with them, what if we get Mike and Will drunkenly flirting with each other? What if Mike and Will live together??

DRUNK BYLER

OMG??

1987 Byler riding bikes with Holly, 1987 Byler on a field together,1987 Byler in high school together, 1989 Byler graduating together and going to college together and maybe living together, 90's Byler going to a bar together with Jancy, Lumax and Jopper,now all we need is 90's Byler at a gay bar together and dancing with each other and them kissing each other

mlvn is bones meanwhile Mike and Will are at a bar together in the 90's and still attached at the hip😭

Maybe we're gonna get 90's Byler going to college together and them living together as boyfriends in the epilogue?

Noah might be filming at the Radio Station today

90's Byler, Jancy, Lumax and Jopper all in the same place (endgame couples)🙂‍↕️

before people start saying stuff the wrap party happened yesterday

[bulionzkury]

For all people having jancy doubt, remember:

-Jonathan is ready to break up with Nancy so she doesn't have to give up her dreams

-Steve wants her to be a housewife with six children (the opposite of what she wants to be)

[jackietaylorapologist]

why don't we talk about will and nancy as a duo!!!

just imagine how they talk about their silly boyfriends

[willfreakbyers]

"Steve is like a mom!" Shut up SHUT UP SHUT UP!!!

Im sorry, but steve is not like a mother to those kids. Maybe more of a big brother, at best. You only really ever see him interact with dustin one on one, really. When has he ever interacted with Will? Or mike one on one? He's only really ever 'babysat' them once in season two, and once or twice in season four. Wow! So motherly and paternal, right guys?

Meanwhile jonathan had to be the built in parent for Will since he was (correct me if I'm wrong) twelve! And Jonathan gets all the shit. Jonathan, who's been a queer ally since season one, Meanwhile Steve wasn't one until late season three.

[sambyers-wheeler]

Byler analysis

Ok so I was rewatching 4x09 and the one scene with the endgame couples came up and I noticed something.

Ok so if you look at each couple, they are very clearly divided despite the expected blocking of a scene with this gravity. I’ll break down the divided sections below. ⬇️

Section one: Jopper

So the section where they are is what I would call the clearest. The air and horizon look the least contaminated and the ground in front of them only has smaller cracks. So if you look in the background of the section you can barely make out a tower that resembles a radio tower, I’ll explain the significance of this in a bit. So I would venture to say their relationship is already established, has few problems, and is not heavily involved with the supernatural plot (similar to season one). Section two: Byler

Their section is sitting directly in the middle of the shot and the largest rift, has a red looking horizon, has a heart with lightning on top of them (as does Jopper and I will explain this later as well), the ground in front of them seems very affected by the rifts. Despite them being in the middle of the biggest rift it barely divides them. They also have a radio tower in the distance, very clearly in the middle of them (probably the clearest one in the shot). Overall they are very close and have the least interference in the shot. This signifies to me that they are very crucial to the story, are involved in the supernatural plot quite a bit, their arc focuses around their relationship, and figuring out where they belong.

Section three: El

So her section is directly in the middle of the biggest plume of smoke and there is no clear horizon in her shot at all. The largest rift is directly in front of her, no radio tower in sight. Instead on her horizon is a gap in the smoke surrounded by and emitting red light. She is very clearly alone except that mike is barely in her section and very far away and Johnathan and Nancy are further into the section and closer by a little. To me this means that in season five she is going to be the main character in the supernatural plot, she is going to be dating Mike but very briefly before they both end it, and then she is going to rely heavily on platonic relationships this season.

Section four: Jancy

Theirs is interesting, in the section with their heads (that’s what I’m counting as their section) there are multiple rifts and smoke plumes, the destruction looks bad, there is a helicopter in the sky, and there is a radio tower in the distance. They are close to El so I don’t think they will be off in their own story line like season one but they will have a slightly separated storyline. The helicopter is right in front of the radio tower symbolizing an obstacle or something in their way. Steve, the helicopter represents Steve. The helicopter played a big part in helping me understand the symbolism in this shot. So I would say that they are very crucial to El and the others and they are struggling with their relationship.

Ok onto the other things.

Heart clouds:

The heart clouds represent 2 things. One is a change in the relationship, this means for Jopper and Byler their relationships will change. Why these two and not Jancy? Well let’s start with Jopper. Jopper is an established relationship and they are adults and we are going to have a time skip so it is logical to assume there will be a wedding. Also maybe a more mature change in their relationship. For Byler they have been friends the entire show, and logically ( if you are able to see very obvious subtext) they will end up dating by the end of the show. The heart represents this change in relationship from friends to dating. Jancy might breakup and their relationship might be bumpy and need repairs but overall their relationship will not change. I at least think that they will end the series by them going off to some college together and very happy. They have not had a significant chance in relationship. That is why only Jopper and Byler have the hearts. Two is the hearts also represent charged scenes between the characters since they both have lightning coming out but that’s not as important as the change in relationship.

Radio towers:

The radio towers, these really tipped me off and made me want to do this analysis. Ok so the radio towers represent a future or destination of some sort. (If you all have any better ideas of what they represent feel free to share!) they are clearly placed in front of Jopper, Byler, and Jancy. Though Jancy has the helicopter in front. These represent happy endings for the characters since they are an end point on the horizon. Now El doesn’t have one and here’s what I think that means.

El’s lack of a radio tower and what I think that means:

So, El is very obviously positioned in the biggest smoke column, which is where the upside down is bleeding into Hawkins. She doesn’t have a radio tower or even a clear horizon. This to me means that, sadly, she is foreshadowed to either not survive or be stuck in the upside down somehow. Since the radio towers represent a future/ destination and she only has something from the upside down in her section, that’s why this foreshadows that. And also what Mille said about see El’s ending.

That’s it!! Wow that was a lot of typing. Let me know if anything is off or if I should change anything. If I get a little repetitive, sorry!! I have a problem with that. If I need to elaborate on anything I totally will js ask!!!

[cleric-byers7]

me in 2025 when max wakes up from her coma, her and lucas go on their movie date, jonathan goes to nyu and nancy goes to emerson and they stay together, joyce and hopper go to enzos, rovickie is canon, el gets some weird little hobby, dustin kills the entire basketball team, the party play dnd, mike and will start a new party just the two of them, lettergate, flickergate, and churchgate are canon, will byers is the main character, and everyone lives except steve harrington and vecna

[reo-bylerwagon]

i knew this felt familiar for a reason

oh it's over stevey boy

and i'd just like to remind everyone that this is the previous scene with dustin and steve

they can't seem to name why they're special like a certain someone i know

but anyway, lucas can name why max is special.

same with jonathan and nancy.

even will with mike.

now, you tell me what love looks like in stranger things.

[willclericby3rs]

So I was rewatching S3 and it made me realise just how awful mike and el truly are together romantically, (well, duh) and how shitty it would be if they were endgame

In *this* scene they don't even discuss eachothers feelings, talk about their breakup or talk about why the other person was upset etc etc....

they just simply avoid talking about any of their issues, and el is peachy with him again like nothing happened

and if, on the rare occasion they do discuss their issues (referencing S4) it just leads to gaslighting and denial.

and the whole time I was watching it I was just like "really el?? really?? you'll take him back just like THAT??"

I found it so interesting how he still called her a "species" like I know it's meant to be comedic or whatever but like cmon michael😭😭

comparing jancy talking about their problems (in the same ep might I add) and listening to why the other person was upset is just so telling honestly.

and ur telling me this is the main couple I'm meant to be rooting for??

not a chance.

[rana030]

Let's not forget that jonathan wanted nancy to fulfill her dreams even if that meant letting her go whilst steve wants her for his own 6 little nuggets fantasy

[love-byers]

the first time i saw this, when i was NOT a byler shipper, i thought el was running TO mike. i thought we were getting a sweet moment where el runs to mike and he puts an arm around her or hugs her.

then i realized she was running away from him. 

and i was like, why?? they're supposed to be the couple why does she not want his comfort??

and even after will calls her out on doing mike wrong by lying to him, even after she sees that mike is attempting to talk to her and comfort her, that he's not angry at her, she still tells angela to lie to mike. more lies. that's how much she cares about keeping up the persona. had angela lied to mike, el would've continued lying to him the entire week. something she knows in her heart is wrong and not fair to mike.

this is a theme in s4. putting who you want to be seen as before being honest with your bf/gf. going above and beyond to preserve your lie, to be seen as who you want to be.

chrissy does that with jason. who she portrays herself as is completely different than who she really is and what she's really going through. jason has absolutely no idea chrissy is struggling and refused to believe chrissy would buy drugs, because chrissy didn't want to tell him. who knows how jason would've reacted if chrissy was honest, we don't know because chrissy didn't trust him enough to tell him. that's not love at all, that's sad.

this is a point in s2 as well. murray calls nancy out for being afraid to be her true self, and she stays with steve because she doesn't have to be her true self around him. she is her true self when she's with jonathan, and that's why they worked together. that's love.

the exact same thing happens with chrissy. the first time we see her genuinely smile is when she's with eddie. she's sweet and charismatic, and had she lived she totally would've gone to eddie's show, something you never would've expected from her, something her boyfriend, the person she pretends to love, would NEVER do.

robin and steve reinforce this too

you fall in love with the person who makes you feel accepted, the person who makes you feel like you can be who you are. the person you trust with your true self.

mike and el don't trust each other enough, they don't understand each other well enough.

they would have to change their behavior towards each other by leaps and bounds, and we're already at the last season. there is no time for that. stranger things isn't a multi season show about the complexity of romantic relationships and the healthy way to resolve problems. there is no time for that in just about any movie or show, especially a sci-fi show. you know what's way easier and way more likable? pairing your character with someone they naturally click with, who bring out the best in each other and for some reason can't help but be their authentic selves when they're with each other.

did it with jancy, like i said earlier

did it with lumax. when lucas and max talked on the bus max found herself spewing about things she'd never even said out loud before, and she had to stop herself. something about lucas just made her feel comfortable, like she could be herself and tell the truth. she trusted him.

"You're nothing like your brother, okay? You're cool and different, you're super smart, and you're like, totally tubular."

jopper too! joyce constantly had to hide things from bob, she was insecure about their family not being normal.

"This is not a normal family."

"It could be."

though bob had good intentions, the message of the show is not trying to be normal when you aren't. whatever it is about you that makes you weird or different, whatever you've been through that changed you, stay true to it. dont bottle it up and try to be someone else. all of vecnas victims in s4 were doing this, and it didn't end well for them.

they even did it with dustin and suzie. dustin constantly tries to impress max with his teeth, then in season 3 he says suzie thinks kissing is better without teeth. he doesn't have to be insecure about that or try to impress her. she likes him for him.

mike isn't comfortable being his true self around el either. he's insecure about his interests, he feels like he has to act older and cooler to impress her.

you shouldn't be with the person you feel you have to impress. you should be with the person who relieves that pressure, who makes you feel like being the authentic you is enough.

jonathan and nancy, lucas and max, joyce and hopper, dustin and suzie,

cough WILL AND MIKE cough...

[stonathandreamer]

Stonathan 🫱🏽‍🫲🏻 Byler

The only acceptable outcomes for these love triangles.

[bylstarzz]

byler, jancy, lumax, jopper endgame guys i accept nothing else ‼️

[queen-of-hawkins-why-ler]

When you’re in a “who can be the down baddest” competition and your opponents are Mike Wheeler, Jonathan Byers, Lucas Sinclair, and Jim Hopper