#anti dean hate

[fandom-hoarder]

I'm irritable today about scenes taken out of context to hate on dean. Especially when he does deserve criticism, but not for THAT. 🙃

"Gotta start [trusting Sam] sometime" --- is not dean saying he's NEVER trusted Sam. You have GOT to take this in context of the fact he was hunting for six months alongside soulless sam: who lied to him; who let him be turned into a vampire; who at least once pointed a gun at dean in his sleep and considered. You have GOT to further take into context the fact that just the previous episode, Sam went missing and Dean found him shouting at hallucifer and had to talk Sam down after shooting at his hallucination. And that IN THIS EPISODE Sam is still seeing hallucifer and dean could tell even though Sam said he's fine. AND THEN SAM DISAPPEARED (with the car and all).

You HAVE to take the context into account.😡

[samisadeangirl]

I read a post that said Dean was clearly physically abusive to Sam pre-Stanford because of how Sam is never surprised when Dean punches him when he's angry (when Sam said Dean was replacing John with Gordon, when Sam took the Impala, when Soulless!Sam confessed something was wrong with him, when Dean finds out he was using demonic powers) and how Dean took out his anger on Meg!Sam by punching Unpossessed Sam and how Sam is clearly very used to it to be able to say that Dean can hit him more if it makes him feel better. What do you think about it?

Hi Anon,

Ugh, this nonsense again?? Frankly, I file the "Dean is physically abusive" BS in the same trash can as the "John is physically abusive" BS because both bad takes are coming from people who have an agenda (i.e. Dean or John haters) and/or are projecting their own issues onto the character.

Yes, Dean does punch or even beat up Sam a few times, particularly in the early seasons, and obviously that's not good. I tend to blame behavior like this and Dean calling Sam "gay" in the early seasons on Kripke basically being a dude-bro who thought it would make Dean seem more "macho" or something, particularly since we don't see it happening much under the other showrunners. Regardless, Dean's crappy childhood and overall crappy life clearly left him with a lot of issues, including not knowing how to handle his anger well sometimes, which most of us will agree is one of his flaws.

However, I don't believe this ever reaches the level of Dean being abusive to Sam because Sam is clearly not afraid of his brother and has no problem with punching or beating up Dean on occasion too (just like neither Sam nor Dean act afraid of John or have a problem physically confronting their father). We know how Sam behaves around an actual abuser--just look at his fear and hyper-vigilance when he's near Lucifer post-Cage--and he doesn't behave that way around Dean. (Flinching when Dean knocked the books off the table in 13.18 Bring 'Em Back Alive doesn't count because anyone would flinch at a sudden loud noise--Sam also flinched when Mary slammed the Bunker door in an earlier episode, for example.)

Trying to extrapolate that this behavior means that Dean was abusive during their childhood is especially nonsensical because there's no actual evidence, just projecting. We've seen repeatedly that Sam has no compunction against complaining about how (legitimately) shitty his childhood was, including the moving around, being left alone, enforced training, overall danger, and so on, yet he never once in 15 seasons mentions being hit or otherwise physically abused as a kid by either his brother or his father, and I can't see Sam keeping quiet about something that significant if it had ever happened. This goes back to the basic rules of canon: If it didn't happen onscreen (words or actions), then it's not canon, and if it's solely based on "interpretation" or "subtext" or "coding," then it's just head-canon.

As I mentioned before, the "fans" who come up with this sort of "X is abusive" BS tend to be stans/haters who want everyone to believe that their fave is a poor widdle meow-meow and/or perfect cinnamon roll who can do no wrong and is totes abused by mean ole X, and so they try to interpret both characters' behavior to fit this agenda. They completely miss that one of the appeals of both Sam and Dean is that they're complex characters with both admirable and negative traits, not boring cardboard cutouts. Their narrative not only does a disservice to Dean, whose anger issues are far outweighed by his caring, empathy, and selflessness, but also to Sam, who is a BAMF who stood up to Lucifer and God himself, not some helpless victim--and who loves his brother more than anything.

[unkindledangell]

Ughh, sometimes I would like to block "Destiel/Cockles" tags and words, but I can't. I don't hate them, I like Destiel, love Jenmish; just hate their xtreme stans, people who don't know how to tag correctly, and Tumblr/Twitter for show me Destiel/Cockles profiles that really hate Sam/Jared.

Sometimes I feel that we are few people who really appreciate TFW equally. Those of us who are multipshippers or that we simply don't hate a character/actor we don't like all the time.

Same with Wincesties on the other hand

Tumblr/Twitter: Here is an Wincest Artist for you ✨

Their profile: "FUCK DESTIEL STANS, FUCK MISHA 🖕"

Why

[whateverthedragonswant]

Them: Dean fans only like him because they're attracted to Jensen.

Me:

Pretty sure I like Dean on his own merit. I can separate fictional characters from real life people, thanks.

I mean, have you seen thee Dean Winchester?

Who wouldn't love this guy?

[laf-outloud]

Wow... someone who works with Jared finally stood up for him publicly. Kudos to JDM!

(In regards to the girls pestering Jared about tipping at ACL, which turned out to be a lie/issa joke.)

[trinitylinncaanen]

BLOCKING ANTI SHIP ACCOUNTS

it is 2024 and Supernatural has been over for four years. If you don't ship Destiel then WHY ARE YOU STILL TALKING ABOUT DESTIEL??? Ain't nobody got time for your bullshit anti hate blogs. like damn, we sure are living rent free in your heads with our silly little "non canon" ship blah blah blah THEN MOVE ON??? BLOCK US??? KEEP SCROLLING???? not to mention y'all's arguments are tired and out dated, like damn, get new material

the world is going to shit, our lives and livelihoods are being threatened, and the GAY angel and his hunter husband BRING ME JOY SO FUCK OFF WITH YOUR ANTI BULLSHIT ARGUMENTS.

[supernaturallywincest]

@its-sassyboots JDM defending Jared.

[kal-derash]

Unpopular opinion - Gadreel's attempt at redeeming himself was way better than Castiel trying to redeem himself by trying to fix things in season 6 by swallowing the souls in purgatory and working with Metatron in season 8.

Also, I'm still bitter that Dean never found out Castiel let Sam out the panic room or that the angels changed the voicemail. Balthazar should've been the new angel on their side.

[shedontlovehuhself]

Misha: gets praised(again) or acknowledged for continuing to be the most vocal destiel and gay Cas supporter of the Cast.

Hellers on Tumblr: "how can I make this about Jensen?"

[homehauntsyou]

I hate how some people act like, when dean disappeared at the end of s7, sam just dusted off his hands, went “oh well,” and immediately got with amelia?? like just because they didn’t show him going through it on camera doesn’t mean that didn’t happen. or that the months of grieving were any less real. this man had just recovered from months of hallucinating the devil and then lost his only connection to reality and is always always always canonically suicidal whenever dean dies. he didn’t want to take his brother from (what he thought was) a better place and just did what he thought dean would’ve wanted. just because sam didn’t kill himself to tear dean from (what he believed to be) heaven doesn’t mean he wasn’t devastated over the loss of his brother.

[deerscradle]

spn fans (?) who hate sam are soooo embarrassing you ask them why they hate sam and they list the MOST INNOCENT incidents happened in the whole show yet they baby castiel and dean for their selfish decisions and mistakes

[holding-out-for-hea]

I know I cannot, and should not, try to sway people from single character standom into the ways of bibrodom. I know that.

But I WANT to!

There are certainly Sam or Dean only fans that seem super chill and have their well thought out reasonings for only liking one brother. I know they’re not like the stans who actively hate and try to denigrate the less favored brother. I know it’s also super douchey to try and interfere with how people consume and relate to media. I know… seriously! I do!

But I just feel like it’s so sad how much fans miss out on when they waste time misunderstanding one of the brothers. Like how could you love and understand Sam, while genuinely feeling that Dean is awful, and an unintentional but massive villain in his life? How could you love Dean when you feel the main love and motivation in his life is a poisonous brother?

How can you watch this show and judge one of them so harshly? How can you see their journey and not root for BOTH of them? I just don’t get it!! I can’t wrap my head around watching a show for 15 seasons and disliking either Sam or Dean.

Bleccchhhhh. I’ve been seeing a lot of anti Sam and Dean stuff lately. People retreating into really off base meta’s that confirm long held prejudices that are based on a kernel of canon that was misunderstood to begin with.

I know I can block and move on. And I very rarely engage here anymore. Today though, I want to reclaim that bibro space. I want to live in and enjoy that Sam and Dean love. I want to revel in that brother bond that was so multifaceted. So complex. So beautiful.

Sam and Dean were EVERYTHING. I hope others, especially these new people watching the show for the first time, will latch on to the two of them.

[lukesfrag]

[whateverthedragonswant]

I swear I'm about to embark on another SPN rewatch just to pick every single episode apart and show just how relevant Dean was to the story after season 1. So tired of hearing this bullshit about how Dean didn't matter to the show, how he was just a prop, he's only a strong supporting character, he doesn't matter because Jensen was #2 on the call sheet, and that he got what he deserved in the end because "it wasn't his story". Yet every time someone else dares to mention another character from the show that isn't a Winchester, then suddenly these same people have no problem grabbing Dean and including him for their defense of "the show is only about the brothers!" Make up your goddamn minds. Is it purely just the Sam show as the sole protagonist or is it about both brothers (aka multiple protagonists)? It can't be both. That's not how story telling works.

And what kills me even more is that half of these people hate on Dean because they have an issue with Jensen (that has nothing to do with Dean or Dean's story line at all). And these very same people scold others on how they're unable to compartmentalize and distinguish between reality (the actor) and fantasy (the character) which the hypocrisy is just...wow. Your asses are showing. Big time.

If you have legitimate criticisms about Dean and/or his story line, that's cool. But this bullshit I keep seeing is just to serve stupid fandom war shit, whether that be to hate on Jensen or prop up Sam/Jared, and it is beyond fucking annoying.

By season 3, definitely season 4 (aka still Kripke-era meaning Kripke did this himself), Dean stopped being a supporting character and became a protagonist right alongside Sam. Kripke solidified that by making Dean the yang to Sam's yin, by having Dean be the true vessel for Michael while Sam was Lucifer's true vessel, having Dean represent the faction of Heaven (via Cas) while Sam represented the faction of Hell (via Ruby). Kripke even told you that the story doesn't work without BOTH brothers by leading up to the battle between Michael and Lucifer in season 5. BOTH Sam and Dean would have had to say yes to an entity to bring about the battle; the battle would not come to pass without BOTH brothers; even though they found a loophole in Adam, it's stated that Adam is not Michael's true vessel (but since he has the genetics of John, he's a suitable temporary replacement to bring on that battle that Dean interrupts and Sam makes the choice to sacrifice himself to save Dean, and the world by extension); it was stated in the show that John and Mary actually didn't like each other when they met and a cupid had to intervene so they would get together and have Sam AND Dean in order to bring the story to that point (aka 5x22). That's all from Kripke, the creator of the series. It all happened on his watch, during his run, way before the "later seasons". He equated Dean with Sam; he brought Dean and his story more to the forefront, pulling him out of the supporting role he was originally playing in season 1. Regardless of why he did it, the point is he DID it.

The story was about both brothers. Dean is just as important as Sam was to the story. Get over it.

[laf-outloud]

Good for JDM. Finally someone who doesn't let slander against Jared slide.

Don't get me wrong, I'm grateful JDM spoke up, it's about time. But also, it seems like it's a decade too late. it took someone being rude directly to Jared's face for JDM to speak up. I have yet to see anyone defend him from all the online bullies, many of which tag him specifically in their hate and death threats.

I'd also like someone to call out Misha (even in private) for baiting his fans to further their Jared hate. He's a major part of the problem as he just emboldens and encourages them (and he knows it).

Hopefully, JDM's support will show other actors that it's okay to speak up on someone else's behalf and will also send a clear message to certain people that encouraging Jared-hate is unacceptable.

I won't get my hopes up yet that the general tide of hate towards Jared is turning around, but this is definitely a start.

[musclesandhammering]

“Yall don’t know him like I know him.”

Except what I mean is that I know the character in question to be, in fact, the most irredeemable piece of shit on the whole show, and am pulling my hair out over the fact that you guys think he’s a lil pookie.