#anti Destihellers

[broken-emotionalmess]

I find it so funny that the destiel shippers think there's gonna be some sort of destiel, Misha/Jensen storyline/interaction in The Boys. Not knowing that the whole ship was the anti-thesis of Kripke's Supernatural. That Jared and Jensen will 100% be fuckin before Misha and Jensen even touch. They really didn't watch seasons 1-3 and it showssss. That guy invites incest and gothic tones about two brothers alone, growing up as outsiders in an environment that could never connect to another but each other. I'm begging Eric to also please get JDM back for my sam/john heart.

[atticwifesam]

amen.

[sleepyspiriit]

Destiel fans who swear Dean would pick Cas over Sam, and i are mortal enemies

We’re gonna have a big celestial battle that kills humanity

[ienjoybeingahater]

Dean Winchester is the open wound in the body that is Supernatural. He is an infection that spreads until it poisons everything around him, no matter if It's a person or a plotline.

At first, he was just annoying and borderline abusive, something that could be explained by his upbringing, that could’ve been explored. There was potential for him to grow, to evolve beyond the toxic traits he inherited from John, to show that people can get better, that your upbringing didn't define you and for a bit, it seemed like he might. But as soon as he showed signs of becoming better, he ripped off the scab of progress and let the wound fester instead. Season after season, rather than improving, he got worse, getting more selfish, hypocritical, and abusive. Instead of healing, he became the rot at the show’s core.

The infection spread beyond just his character however, it consumed the entire narrative. Everything began to revolve around what Dean wanted, how Dean felt, and what Dean needed. The other characters stopped being people with their own agency and instead became tools, existing to serve and cater to his every whim. The story bent itself around him, sacrificing logic, depth, and complexity in favor of ensuring that Dean never had to face real consequences. It ruined the show’s potential. Instead of telling a story about how a bond like Sam and Dean’s (or even Dean’s relationships with Cas, Charlie, etc.) could help someone grow into a better person, they doubled down on Dean’s worst tendencies. Instead of evolving, he dragged everyone else down with him.

One example of how Dean’s toxicity didn’t just warp the narrative but completely destroyed a character is Castiel. Castiel represented something meaningful at the start: the idea that humanity, despite all its flaws, was still worth fighting for and that people can change and form their own opinions even though they've been controlled and manipulated before. He was proof that even among corruption and destruction, there was goodness that made it all worthwhile, that people can forge their own path if they believe in something and act upon said belief.

But, once the writers started throwing rotting breadcrumbs at the Destiel shippers, they stripped Castiel of his character and made everything about Dean. Instead of being a character with his own beliefs, struggles, and development, he was reduced to nothing more than an extension of Dean, an accessory whose only purpose was to suffer for him. And what did Dean do in return? Nothing good. He never treated Castiel as an equal. He constantly belittled and ridiculed him, acting as though Castiel’s sacrifices were either expected or irrelevant.

Castiel went from breaking free of heaven’s control, from questioning blind obedience and learning to think for himself, to willingly throwing himself into another toxic, one-sided dynamic where his needs and wants didn’t matter. He lost everything, his family, his power, his home, his life, and for what? Are we supposed to find it meaningful that Castiel’s entire existence was reduced to a last-minute, half-baked confession that Dean didn’t even acknowledge? That his death scene was brushed aside with no real grief, no impact, no weight? He deserved better than that but the writers decided it would be a good idea to have Castiel’s story amount to nothing. In the end, he was nothing but a footnote in Dean’s narrative, something that mattered for a few minutes before it lost its relevance.

But if Castiel was collateral damage in Dean’s story, Sam was the biggest victim.

From the very beginning, Sam had potential, potential for something beyond hunting, beyond the endless cycle of death and violence that consumed their lives. He had dreams, ambitions, and a future that should have been his. And every step of the way, Dean was there to tear him down. Long before the show even started, Dean was already keeping Sam small, making sure he never realized that he deserved more than a life of blood and misery. Dean wanted Sam trapped in hunting, dependent on him, tied to him forever and that pattern never changed.

He is obsessive and possessive, acting less like a brother and more like an overbearing owner who refuses to let Sam have any independence. The second Sam does anything without telling him, whether it's texting someone, making his own choices, or simply not answering a call, Dean immediately acts like Sam just opened Pandora's Box. He treats Sam’s autonomy as a threat, as if the moment he isn't constantly under surveillance, the world will fall apart.

But he's not just abusive he's also incapable of accepting his mistakes considering that Dean becomes aggressive and defensive as soon as they get brought up. Examples include breaking the first seal which was 'understandable because he got tortured', tricking Sam into getting possessed which was 'something he needed to do because he didn't want Sam to die' (no matter how much Sam wanted to), and locking Sam in the panic room to die because he'd "at least die human". Still, he never hesitates to throw Sam’s mistakes back in his face. Sam is never allowed to forget drinking demon blood, never allowed to forget trusting Ruby, even though she preyed on his vulnerability and caused his addiction to manipulate him. Dean also holds him responsible for being Lucifer’s vessel, even though that was quite literally decided by God. And yet, when Dean makes mistakes suddenly it’s not his fault, and everyone just needs to move on because they all made mistakes (especially Sam, apparently).

But Dean’s hypocrisy doesn’t stop there, oh no. Because when Sam was blamed for "freeing Lucifer," by mistake he alone was expected to fix it, but when Castiel knowingly freed Lucifer suddenly all of them needed to take care of it. The double standard is obvious and tells us the following: Dean plays favorites when it suits him, and when it doesn’t, he shifts the blame onto whoever is most convenient which more often than not, means Sam is getting blamed.

And yet, despite treating Sam like a scapegoat, he also treats him like a trophy, a possession, something he has complete control over. He needs to know where Sam is, who he's talking to, and what he's doing or he'll pretend like the world is ending.

But he doesn’t just control Sam, he's not just hypocritical and abusive, he also sabotages his storylines at every turn. I'm saying that because every time Sam had an interesting plotline, something that could have made the show richer and more compelling, something that could've made Sam stronger, Dean was there to ruin it.

Sam's demon blood arc? Reduced to a mistake Dean never let him forget about, rather than the complex story about addiction and manipulation that it could have been. Not to mention the fact that even before Ruby used Sam's grief to get him addicted Dean judged Sam for having the blood inside him in the first place; as if it was his fault Mary made that deal, as if Sam could have stopped yellow eyes as an infant.

Sam as the Boy King of Hell? Dropped without explanation and never picked up again (until years later for one minute that is). I personally think they dropped that particular arc because Dean would have been insufferable towards Sam during it which they couldn't do considering 'Dean is such a cool guy'. It was the same with Sam being psychic: Dean would never accept the fact his brother wasn't what he wanted him to be so the plotline was scrapped.

Sam's hell trauma? No need to explore it or show the lasting effects because Dean would be sad if Sam wasn't perfectly fine after his mangled soul got forced back into his body (by Dean, mind you).

Sam being suicidal? Why explore that if you can do other, more interesting things with Dean instead?

Even Sam’s relationship with Jack was downplayed. The parallels between Sam and Jack alone make it obvious that the relationship between the two of them should have been the focus of Jack’s introductory season. Sam, who spent his life struggling under the weight of what he was supposed to be, who was told time and time again that he was dangerous, that his powers made him evil, was the perfect person to guide Jack through the same struggles. But that wasn’t explored. The fact that Sam was raising the child of the man who abused and controlled him, the child of the being that essentially destroyed Sam's life and psyche even though he was probably scared to death every time he saw Jack wasn't explored either.

Jack’s entire story should have revolved around his relationship with Sam, the person who treated him with kindness, and who tried to help him even though his father was, like I said, the being who abused him for centuries. Their relationship should have been so much more but it wasn’t and why?

Because they needed to shove Dean into Jack’s story instead. Even though Sam was the one who treated him with kindness, who defended him, and who saw him as more than just a weapon, the writers made sure to include forced bonding scenes between Dean and Jack so that they could pretend Dean had always been the father figure. I'm sure they did that so Destihellers and the writers could pretend Cas and Dean were Jack's parents even though everyone who watched the show should know that isn't true no matter how much certain people might want it to be.

Alone the fact that Dean threatened to kill Jack should make that obvious.

The sad thing about all of this is that Sam was supposed to be the main character but when fans decided Dean was cooler, the writers catered to them instead of telling a story about the person that's objectively more interesting.

So in conclusion, Dean Winchester wasn’t just a toxic character; he was an infection that spread through the entire show, warping the story, ruining the characters, and dragging Supernatural down with him. Every plotline, every relationship, every moment of potential was sacrificed so that he could remain the center of attention. The show could have been so much more, but instead, it chose to revolve around the worst thing in it: Dean.

(I will make separate posts about Sam and Castiel as well)

Side note: I wrote this at 3 a.m. because I couldn't sleep and saw people waxing poetry about Dean on Twitter.

[flourishing-toxicity]

Made the mistake of trying to go through the sam winchester tag again- there is so much d*stiel (censoring bc I don't want this post to end up on their tag) if you're lucky sam will be in the back just standing there or god forbid he's their 1# shipper for some fucking reason and that's it for like every ten posts.

Anyways can we all tag properly please and thank you.

[lightofraye]

I just…. Dear Hellers: wanna know why the fandom gets pissed at you? Honestly? Outside the sexual harassment of Jensen, your inappropriate fan art and death threats?

This:

I see this in my feed. I do not interact or have Destiel as a following tag. So why did I get this post in my feed?

Oh! Because y’all don’t tag properly!

That post has NOTHING to do with Sam, Charlie, Claire, fanfiction, etc!

Stop tagging your shit incorrectly! Shape up your behavior!

God.

So fucking annoying….

[lukesfrag]

Fuck, I was looking at Sam's tag to look for things about him and I can't do that without being bombarded by Destiel's posts, and Sam isn't even mentioned in the posts. I'm angry as fuck, you know what? This has gone on for too long. Do you want war? Then there will be war! I'm going to start tagging my shit as Destiel and other tags that you like, just to feel what me and others fans feel. Starting with this one.

[dontwanttochoose]

Wait... so yesterday, there was a streaming live for political reasons with some of the cast of The Boys and SPN; and there were also Misha and Jensen.

I saw that many Hellers and Cockles shippers had high hopes about this live and they got... nothing. No kiss, no cuddles etc., I don't know what they expected; it was a live about politics.

So... why after the live it was full of Jared's hate? So Hellers are attacking Jared, his acting etc. because they got nothing from the live... WTF? People are nuts.

[jinkieswouldyoulookatthis]

Anti-destiel Wank (sorry but I have to)

If you hardcore ship Destiel, please just scroll on by. Please.

Ok, I'm gonna get myself in trouble, I'm sure, but I gotta get this off my chest...

Destiel may be a perfectly fine ship,

but,

IT'S JUST A SHIP.

In the actual context of the show there IS NO ROMANTIC OR SEXUAL TENSION/RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN DEAN AND CAS.*

Full fucking stop.

Subtext can be interpreted in ANY WAY YOU WANT. It is subjective. You will find whatever you look for in it. Please stop waving subtext interpretations around as if they were objective facts, they aren't. Subtext, by its very definition, relies on implied meaning and understanding, this means it is a subjective interpretation of the media that varies from viewer to viewer. The inherent variations are what make it fanon/headcanon instead of canon.

If you see tension of that sort there and it makes you happy to postulate the what if, then go ahead, that is what fanon and head canon and fan fiction is all about. But if the fact that the tension you think you see isn't being addressed in actual canon makes you grumpy, maybe you need to take some of the fanatic out of your fanning. If you are beginning to think the show creators are actively trying to repress Dean's "true sexuality and feelings" because they are evil, you might need to consider that you've dug in too deep.

Because, like I ship wincest. Yeah, I said it. But I am aware that canon doesn't actually include any level of sexual or romantic (in the modern sense) relationship between Sam and Dean. Wincest is not canon.

Now, are Sam and Dean the real "love" story of the show? Yes, yes they are. That has always been 100% the entire point of Supernatural, the great love story of two brothers struggling to save the world together. It's about family and everything that means, but at its heart, it is about Sam and Dean WInchester. Not all kisses and cuddles and sex kind of love, but love nonetheless. Full stop.

Now, the fact that Destiel is such a popular ship is not surprising to me in the least. Jensen and Misha are two gorgeous guys who share a lot of chemistry on screen and off. And, it is canon that Cas loves Dean. That has been evident since Lazarus Rising (4x01) when Cas was introduced. Castiel's love of Dean Winchester has been his character's main motivation all along and culminated with Cas sacrificing himself to save Dean, after telling him that he loved him in Despair (15x18)

But Dean's main motivation has always been to watch out for his brother. And though Castiel became Dean's best friend, he still comes second to Sam. Nothing against Cas, he just isn't Sam.

So why are so many people so absolutely convinced that Destiel is so real within the context of the story?

Well, I'm pretty sure that it is the same reason that they are so opposed to the idea of wincest.

As we all know, incest is bad, mmmkay? Incest is probably one of the biggest, strongest, cultural taboos we have. So it makes perfect sense that the idea of two blood-related brothers having sexual or romantic feelings for each other is considered icky. It's so off putting that it is a complete no go for even fantasizing about for most people. And that's probably a good thing, tbh, incest should be taboo. But where does that taboo spring from? Why is it so deeply off limits? There are several reasons, but the two main ones are:

That incest can lead to inbreeding.

That incest too often involves molestation or rape of children.

Both of these are seriously bad enough that we all pretty much collectively agree to avoid incestuous relationships. But, do either of these two reasons really apply in the case of Sam and Dean?

The short answer is no. Primarily this is because they are fictional characters that are being played by unrelated actors. But to humor the objectors we'll look at it closer.

We can take the first one right off the table. As two cis men, neither of them is capable of becoming pregnant, so outside of the mpreg (male pregnancy) or gender bending subsets of fanfic tropes, this is not applicable.

The second reason only becomes an issue when talking about the characters earlier in their lives, pre-show or flashbacks. Weecest or teencest, or whatever, are things, but these typically have separate ship names for a reason, because even when dealing with fictional characters this squicks a lot of folks who are otherwise down with the wincest ship. So most content is tagged or labeled as its specific flavor, so anyone can find it or avoid it. But wincest that involves adult Sam and Dean (the specific pairing I'm referring to in this post) doesn't apply to the second reason listed above.

So there really is nothing morally wrong with Sam and Dean having sex with each other. I know that statement is going to bother a whole lot of people, but it is true. Just because something is taboo does not automatically make it morally wrong. Being gay used to be taboo in our culture, and is still taboo for way too many people, even though there is nothing morally wrong with homosexuality.

Now, I wasn't in the fandom back at the beginning of the show, but I've heard tell that the very first Sam/Dean fic was posted just a few hours after the pilot episode aired. A few hours, that's all it took for some highly motivated fan to type out a story where they were more than just brothers. The story is called Reunion. If you watch the pilot, even with your anti-incest goggles on, the chemistry between Jared and Jensen is palpable throughout. There is a reason the show lasted for 15 years, and that reason is that Sam and Dean just work on screen so well together. So if it only took one episode for that ship to be born, what did all the future destiel shippers do? Well I imagine they felt somewhat uncomfortable for the first 60 episodes.

Flash forward to season four and the introduction of Castiel. Finally there was another male character for fans squicked by the notion of sweet, sweet brother loving to focus on! Cas was clearly fixated on Dean more than Sam, which followed the plot since Cas had been instructed to rescue Dean from Hell. As it would turn out, the brothers were destined to be the meatsuits that Michael and Lucifer wore to the big prize fight to determine the fate of the world. Prepping Sam for Lucifer involved him consuming demon blood, which made most of the angelic host view him as an abomination, a factor that Cas had to learn to get past in his relationship with the younger brother. But Dean was ready to go right out of the box, no assembly required for Michael. Castiel, and many of his angelic brethren, as well as a lot of Demons, seem to be drawn to Dean in a way that they just aren't drawn to Sam. Is this fair? Hell no. But I mean, look at him! Jensen has sexual tension with literally everything he comes in contact with, people, food, his car, the man oozes sexual attraction. Don't get me wrong, Jared is a sexy fucking ball of sunshine, and our Sammy is a damned attractive man, but he tends to be more repressed and less openly sexual than his brother, so it is what it is.

Where was I going with this? That's a good question. I got a bit distracted, sorry. Oh right...

At its root, destiel is a reactive projection. There is undeniable tension between characters in the show. Since all of the main cast are male, that tension is highly homoerotic. The two main characters, who are undeniably emotionally enmeshed and co-dependent with each other (a very well established canon fact btw), happen to be blood-related brothers. Oh no! Where is all that tension coming from since we cannot admit or accept that it's coming from them? Ah ha! Here is a new male character that we like, yes, it is obviously coming from his interactions with one of the brothers, even though he wasn't in the first 60 episodes. Yes, it all makes perfect sense now, all that tension was merely foreshadowing.

I've read through all the destiel subtext posts. I've gone back and watched all the scenes they reference multiple times with the express purpose of finding destiel. I'm telling you it is just a fanon ship. Which is 100% fine and good, ship that ship, just stop declaring it more canon than canon, because it's not.

And if you don't like fictional incest, cool, cool, you don't have to. But the underlying sexual tension existed in the first 60 episodes prior to Misha being cast on the show, so it was coming from somewhere. And it'd be cooler if you learned how to scroll past people shipping wincest, like I'm sure you do for all the other weirdass, squicky shit that people post all over the internet. But if it makes your heart beat a little faster to imagine that Dean and Cas have eyesex but that Dean and Sam don't, that's fine. I think it's delusional because neither ship is actually canon and both are 100% A-Ok in fanon, and honestly Jensen doesn't seem to be able to control his eyes, which is not something anyone should feel bad about (it's fucking marvelous) but you do you.

*Castiel does love Dean. He confessed as much, but Dean did not reciprocate. What I am referencing is a mutual romance or attraction, which does not exist.

[kvitka97]

😒

[sleepyspiriit]

unpopular opinion: DEAN AND DESTIEL FANS CAN BE SO ANNOYING

i saw a tiktok about people having “hot takes about dean” and them being annoying and so I made a comment just talking about how people are allowed to have hot takes and not like/love a character and the creator started trying to fight me. Like it was NEVER that deep.

So Dean/Destiel diehards, get a grip. Nobody is killing Dean except the writers. Let other people enjoy a fandom space and express opinions without such heavy and unwarranted backlash. And if you’re gonna try and fight me on this, don’t bother interacting I don’t have time for y’all right now.

[ienjoybeingahater]

Just saw a Twitter thread with some of the worst Supernatural opinions imaginable. Highlights included: 'Destiel is canon,' and 'Cassie and Castiel were Dean's only real love interests.' Lisa was mentioned multiple times in the same thread, yet somehow, the woman Dean lived with and raised a kid with for an entire year doesn’t count as a love interest.

Other gems from the thread: season one is 'the worst season,' and the later seasons are 'the best ones.'

I muted the OP immediately because I have no desire to see more takes like that especially because all the comments were agreeing with them.

[chimerazodiac]

Friendly reminder, Sam is good enough in bed to make a prostitute forget he had to pay, Dean is not.

[lukesfrag]

You’re worst than destiels. You ship Sam with monsters and random male characters all in an effort to make him more interesting because I guess regular ol straight Sam isn’t enough for your fetishizer ass?

KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK

Bro thinks I make fanfics for them! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

My love, first of all, Sam is not straight or cis, neither here nor in China, or anywhere.

Second, you are clearly heller, because clearly whoever is bothered by Sam being headcanon as queer or shipped with men, is obviously YOU ALL. Because in your shitty little minds, only Dean can be queer and be shipped with men (this one who is shipped with a bunch of men from other fandoms. I repeat, Dean, who is as straight and cis as any homophobe out there is shipped with a tons of other male characters in media, but apparently you only have a problem with Sam stans, hmmm, I wonder why... 🤔🤔🤔)

Third, GO FUCK YOURSELF, HOMOPHOBIC PIECE OF SHIT! You clearly come to my blog (a bisexual and non-cis person) to accuse me of fetishizing! When the only thing that matters in the useless life of Destihellers (most of them being straight cis women) is care about two straight cis white men kissing.

I'll continue shipping Sam with as many men (my OCs and Canon characters) as much I want. And just for your information, I have thousands more smut fanfics of Sam with men and I will continue to create more and more. Why? Because I love it! I create fanfics for me! Not for a fucking heller 🤭🤭

A gift for you, heller:

🖕🏻🖕🏻🖕🏻🖕🏻🖕🏻🖕🏻🖕🏻🖕🏻🖕🏻

[skyefullofdaisies]

A Destiel shipper asked me on Twitter today “why Destiel shippers are so disliked in the fandom but Wincest shippers are not given incest is morally wrong.”

She then blocked me before I could respond to her properly. In my opinion, Destiel shippers are so highly disliked because of how some of them act. Unfortunately that spills over to the ones who don’t bully, harass and scream at people who don’t ship it. The ones who just want to enjoy their ship and be left alone. It’s frustrating to talk to other people on various social media platforms about how Destiel is not canon and here comes a destiheller summoned from hell itself (I assume) to screech at you. No matter how many slowed down gif sets, supposed “parallels”, supposed bi-lighting & screen shots (etc) are put out there to make it seem like they are. To have a destiheller come from the void to bully/harass and scream at you that you’re a shitty homophobic person because you won’t validate their head canon fantasy is tiring. Hell, Jensen himself has said Destiel isn’t real.

That’s not to say that Destiel shippers don’t get harassed themselves. They absolutely do. It’s on all sides. I’m a Dean/Jo shipper and let me tell you, lol, that pisses off the Destihellers damn near instantly. I posted these screen grabs on Twitter:

Apparently, these don’t count. You know why? Because Dean never outright says “I’m not gay or bi-sexual” to Castiel’s face. So, the very actor of Dean Winchester himself as well as the in canon on screen character himself stating he “doesn’t play on that team” mean nothing because it wasn’t said in a certain set of specific circumstances. What kind of logic is that? 🤣💀 I could go on like Destihellers accusing Jensen of having internalized homophobia lmao.

Anyway, back to the main point. Love or hate Wincest shippers they don’t insist it’s in the show when it isn’t it. They don’t harass people for not shipping what they do. They haven’t told me that they’re glad my Mom is dead over a fictional non-canon ship. They don’t do everything in their power to cut Sam out of everything to make it the Castiel and Dean show. Don’t shit all over Jared on Twitter. Don’t have a melt down when you acknowledge that Sam is the most important person to Dean. That Dean would choose Sam above anything and anyone else. That’s why they’re better liked, imo, across the board than the hellers.

[dontwanttochoose]

https://www.tumblr.com/deansbisexualflannel/761196850237800448/spn-regretfully-fans-im-curious-how-do-you?source=share

So, this person right here did a post about Jared asking "fans" if they like him or not.

Not only the anon is deleting the messages that don't agree with them but is also insulting everyone saying that if they like Jared, they ship Wincest. Spreading hate and misinformation, but that is fine. Someone in the comments said that they didn't like Jared because they REMEMBER that he said something racist but they are not sure and the anon agree saying that they win the poll. Imagine if this happens to you; someone who you don't know starts spreading rumours that you are racist without any type of proof. This is not about Jared, it's the fact that someone can frame someone else just because they want to.

Instead of shutting their mouth, they got defensive and blocked the messagges and the reblogs.

If you want to get attention, there are some other methods, but unfortunately this is the fastest. If you do such a stupid poll, prepare yourself to receive certain types of responses.

Next time, just shut up. You will make a better impression.