#anti Aang Stan’s

[broadwaybalogna]

Omg guys the anti’s mentioned me!! I feel so validated

I’m gonna be a little less silly and goofy here because these are some genuine things that need to be brought to light regarding my personal stance on this

They wrote a lot about g3n0c1de and Aang and considering that I am white, I’m not gonna speak on that. That’s for the people of color who have experienced these types of things to argue over. I am, however, going to say that I don’t think Aang, Katara, Sokka etc’s trauma was all that deep in the show. Once more, they were written by white men who havn’t experienced a day of being a minority in their lives. ZK’s have a tendency to look at things for a doylist perspective rather than a watsonian perspective that this person may be confusing.

Also, the STW was never a colony. Neither were the air temples. They were never “a [tribe/temple] under the full or partial political control of another [nation], typically a distant one, and occupied by settlers from that [nation]”.

<Also have to appreciate the “some one guy called broadwaybalogna” here>

My main point here will be addressing the whole “sending people to bully others” claim, because I 100% stand by it.

Take a moment to close your eyes and image the first thing that comes to mind at this term

“Atla fandom”

If your imagination came up with something along the lines of “ship wars”, then you’ll probably understand where I’m coming from here.

Kat/ang and Zutara shippers are CONSTANTLY at each other’s throats. It’s one thing after another of constant harassment (from both sides). When I say that someone is “sending people to harass and bully” members of the ZK fandom, I mean simply that they do not care whether their post that emphasizes peoples names and blogs activates a certain sensitive group of people in this fandom to harass them.

In other words: is does not matter if you’re trying to or not, you not only included peoples blogs in your post, but reiterated who they were and why everything they said was “so wrong”. You can say what you want about being morally superior or whatever, but your actions speak louder than words (ew I sound like an elementary school teacher. The fact that I have to phrase it like one is crazy though).

“I never told anyone to bully these people”. You are so so right, you gave them the opportunity to, you quite literally led them straight to these accounts. You did nothing to ensure that “oh, maybe since this fandom is constantly trying to kill each other I should probably protect these peoples identities so they don’t get unnecessary hate.” Because it WILL happen.

And I probably wouldn’t be this bent about it if this persons ENTIRE account didn’t revolve around hating on ZK shippers.

This is my main problem with the discourse, ZK’s May hate a character or two, but KA’s hate the people.

So once again, I stand my ground.

I’ll get back to writing fanfiction and making fanart now.🫡

[queen-morgana91]

Avatar the Last Airbender beautifully told the story of how imperialists lie and have to be called on it and yet somehow certain people missed that message and turned into fire nation apologists

[katy-89]

Nothing to say here....

[wilcze-kudly]

One thing I don't get about the atla fandom is why so many people are so desperate to somehow prove Zuko was a good person from the begining of the show. Or that he was somehow innately better and kinder than any other fire national.

I've seen this point tossed around a lot and I can kinda see where its coming from but like.... guys. Yon Rha did that too. You know the guy who traumatised Katara for life and took her mother? He did it almost word for word.

He went on in there looking for a singular genocide survivor, found that survivor. The survivor gave themselves up after he promised to leave the village alone.

The only difference is that instead of killing Aang on the spot, Zuko took that 12 year old hostage with the goal of handing him over to the Fire Lord to be kept in conditions described as "You'll be kept alive. Barely" by Zhao.

Zuko's paralels to Yon Rha and his poor morals in the begining are crucial to his arc and to his and Katara's relationship.

Hell, you could even point out how similarly shaped the scarlet detailing on the Southern Raiders' helmets and Zuko's scar are.

[mal3vol3nt]

list of aang’s crimes according to tumblr

vegetarian

pacifist

short (he’s 12)

he’s 12

being the avatar

having a crush

his crush liking him back

bald (his culture)

his culture

being a genocide survivor

expressing his grief

not expressing his grief

getting angry

not getting angry

allowing his friends to comfort him

not allowing his friends to comfort him

getting married

being 2 years younger than his gf/wife

growing facial hair when he’s older

having too many children

not having enough children

having children in general

breathing

[longing-for-rain]

[kidcaroline]

accusing kataang to be "hero gets the girl" (reducing katara to "the girl" ok) when actually "hero gets the girl" fits more....Zuko and Mai

accusing aang, the genocide survivor, to be rewarded by the narrative when the character who got totally forgiveness (way too fast from the gaang), the throne, iroh back, his mother back and a "new better sister" is....zuko, not aang

mind you, i love zuko and maiko, but certain people here should stop projecting their nonsense onto aang

[katerina-q]

Sorry but I can't take seriously Zuko/Zutara stans complaining about "Zuko the colonizer" posts when many of you are literally calling a 12 year old Aang ( a pacifist monk and a genocide survivor) rapist, incel, abuser, selfish and misogynist.

There is a whole anti aang tag here on tumblr of Zutara shippers saying the most horrible shit about him, all because your ship is not canon (yes that's the real and only reason)

You have no fucking right to talk.

[dragonfoxandfound]

Kataang shipper: Zuko wanted Katara to kill Yon Ra he even encouraged it

My brother/sister/nb-sib in christ, Zuko had the chance to kill Ozai his father who scarred and banished him, the man who all but ruined his entire life.

Zuko even tried to save Zhao, the man who tried to kill him multiple times.

What in the actual fuck are you talking about?

[burst-of-iridescent]

i really hate it when people act as though zuko is being selfish or self-serving in some way when he tells aang in the finale that the only choice he has is to kill ozai because a) at this point, zuko is right and b) zuko's brutal honesty here is coming from a place of fear for both aang and the world.

are we all forgetting that unlearning his own idealization of his father and realizing that ozai never had been, and was never going to be, the person zuko thought he was, was a significant part of zuko's own arc? it took him sixteen years to understand that giving ozai any grace or understanding or forgiveness was a mistake, because it would be just another tool for ozai to manipulate him with. and that's not zuko's fault, because he was an abused child growing up in an incredibly damaging environment, but it does make sense that he doesn't want anyone else, especially aang, doing the same thing.

zuko is harsh on aang here because he sees in aang the person that he used to be - the innocent, naive kid who wanted so desperately to believe that ozai wasn't a monster, that there was any shred of humanity within him at all to be appealed to. it's not a coincidence in this show so rife with parallels that aang goes to face ozai at around the same age that zuko has his agni kai. and what did it get zuko, when he threw himself at his father's mercy and counted on ozai's non-existent humanity and compassion to save him?

zuko isn't coming down hard on aang because he's angry that "aang won't do his dirty work for him" or whatever other bullshit version of this argument i've seen zuko antis make - he HAS to impress upon aang how dire this situation is because he knows better than anyone that believing for even a second that ozai can be redeemed is incredibly dangerous. aang cannot give ozai an inch because it will only be used against him (and indeed, this does happen in the final battle when aang turns down the opportunity to redirect lightning at ozai and in return ozai presses his advantage to the point where aang would almost certainly have been killed if not for rock ex-machina).

furthermore, this idea that zuko wanted ozai dead for self-serving reasons doesn't really have much basis either, because if that was the case zuko could have just killed ozai himself during the solstice. he doesn't because at that point, he still had an alternative: aang (and you'll notice his word choices never explicitly refer to what ozai's fate will be; it's only "i'm going to help him defeat you" or "taking you down is the avatar's destiny"). as with many abused children, it's likely that zuko himself didn't really know if he wanted his father dead, but when it came down to the final battle without any other viable options presenting themselves, it was something he had to resign himself - and aang - to.

zuko himself does not lack faith in others (in fact, his whole journey is about understanding that his love for and belief in humanity is a strength, not a weakness) but he's learned the hard way that having this faith in the wrong people can result in devastating consequences, especially when the stakes are so high.

i imagine it terrified zuko to see the echoes of his younger self in aang, knowing he's sending him to face his father at the height of his power. at this point, with no knowledge of energybending or any alternative way to defeat ozai, well aware that a fight with his father can only end in bloodshed, zuko has no choice but to give aang the reality of the situation: kill, or be killed and doom the world alongside you.

[melu-lis]

That isn’t the reason why the Katara keeping her scars headcanon exists at all. Sure, a lot of Zutara shippers like the idea of Zuko and Katara bonding over their scars, but it’s also because we want Aang to have more consequences for the mistakes he made and put more focus on Katara’s pain. After Aang burns Katara, there is more focus on Aang feeling bad about hurting Katara than there is for Katara being harmed due to Aang’s recklessness. Also, what’s with this generalization that every Zutara shipper hates Aang? There are definitely Zutarians who dislike and even hate Aang, but there also others (including myself) who like Aang but don’t find his romantic relationship with Katara compelling and believe he could’ve gotten better writing as a character.

[garussy]

One thing I am SICK of is atla fans especially z*tara fans making Zuko the cool tough bad boy and Katara being the sweet innocent nerd

NO

Katara is the cool smart bad girl who probably knows how to ride a motorcycle and Aang is her cute pacifist boyfriend

[queen-morgana91]

live zuko and aang reaction to the ass takes about them in atla fandom

[katy-89]

save me characters who are still hated and mischaracterized in 2024 for the sake of a fanon ship save meeeee

[the-badger-mole]

How did Brkye manage to make their pet character so uncompelling? Think about it. Aang is the least shippable character, and he stars in far few fics in general than Katara, Zuko and even Sokka. There's a general lack of engagement with him period. Oh, sure his stans are very vocal about him, yes, but are they writing fics? Are they writing meta? Making art? Yes, they are more than willing to jump into a fight full of personal attacks if someone expresses their dislike, but why are there so few Aang creators?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying there aren't any Aang creators. There are. But for him to be the hero of the story, the creators' favorite character, and to have such a fanatical group of defenders, it's a lot less than one would expect.

Look at this...

This is just sorted based on character. No ships involved. And this doesn't even take into account how many of these fics Aang just appears in and doesn't star in. I'm just saying, for as much hate as people who don't like Aang get when we voice our opinions, Aang really doesn't seem to be that popular.

This isn't to make the point that Zuko, Katara and Sokka are better than Aang (although they are, imo). The number of fics doesn't actually matter (except maybe as a point of fandom pride), and I acknowledge this could change at any time. I don't really have a point as much as I have a question. What gives? Why is this a thing? Why is the character that is at the heart of so many fandom disputes not as compelling as the character that was his main antagonist for half the series?

[mal3vol3nt]

saying the information we got on the fire nation and air nomads from any of the chronicles of the avatar novels is “the result of out of touch white guys” is so fucking funny considering both of the authors we’ve had are poc….. like ribay is filipino and a lot of filipino characteristics/themes/and culture was written into the reckoning of roku…. including the way the fire nation was represented coming from a filipino’s perspective

can yall be for real?? 😭 just cause you’re mad your favs and their nation are canonical colonizers doesn’t mean you get to call everything that doesn’t make them look good racist or out-of-touch. the call might be coming from inside the house