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i think transmisandry (i like the older term more, sue me), like transmisogyny, can't be isolated to only themes and experiences etc that only affect trans men. i think each necessarily encompasses themes and experiences that affect any or all trans people. it's more about the whole of the experience, not the parts. I think picking and choosing that This transphobic event was transmisandric but This one was just transphobic is reductive and self defeating. i think there's significant merit to the concept of the fact that it happened to a trans man makes it transmisandric no matter what. I don't believe in the concept of "misdirected" bigotry or violence. it was directed at the victim, and if the victim was a trans man, then he's the victim. the system is what it does, and it affects trans men violently and not even less obviously if you pay attention
the problem is that if transmisandry includes experiences that are more typically associated with trans women because the fact that it happened to a trans man makes it transmisandry, then why have the term? because it's not just the transphobia that makes the experience of transmisandry, its the context of being raised a girl, expected to grow up into a woman, and being Very affected by misogyny, and never not being affected by it. if you dont pass, you're treated as a freakish failure woman, and if you do, you can still be beaten or raped pregnant unless and ONLY unless you've had a hysterectomy or vaginectomy. being raised female means you absolutely fucking know this. pregnancy is something a lot of trans women want to achieve, great for them, but pregnancy is something that is VERY often used to chain us to abusers and forcibly detransition us, or else, it's just the consequence of being female and a visible freak. people punish freaks. to say nothing of trans men who actually want to get pregnant on purpose.
so with all that said, it's no wonder feminist types fucking hate trans men for abandoning their sisters for the enemy, after all, women are soft and good, and men are rape and violence. they act like we have stockholm syndrome and treat us accordingly: some feel pity and try to make us see the light, and others blame the victim since, if she could want to become one of Them, then she's just as evil, and a traitor too.
and trans women do it too. baeddelism has been and continues to be allowed to fester for YEARS on tumblr. yes yes not all trans women and yes yes it's mostly an online thing but unfortunately people online are people in real life, and people who support their ideology, even if they don't know they are, are a VERY significant percentage of tumblr users. a definition of terms, a Baeddel is specifically a trans woman who believes, via a misunderstanding of intersectionality, that trans women are The Most Oppressed and also Most Goodest gender combination, no matter what. to be a woman is good, to be a man is evil. trans women disdain for manhood and maleness, so they are even more good than cis women because they are women (inherently good) by choice, and trans men are the most evil because they are men by choice, they abandoned the grace of womanhood, and cis men can't help but be evil, it's in their nature. its like terfism+ and this specific brand of bioessentialism is all over the fucking place. any time anybody says or implies that trans women are the most import kind of trans, and that trans men need to sit down and be quiet and know that the conversation is never actually about him and that he must endeavor to support trans women above himself always. that is at least the echo of baeddelism. it's a softer kind, one that gives the trans man a way to redeem himself, by supporting the More Gooder trans. it's part of why people on this site hate that we want to have our own word (transmisandry, androphobia, whatever) so fucking much, it pisses them off that we won't just shut up and do as we're told
being a trans man is being an invisible contradiction. to the sexist man, you're a girl way out line who needs to be taught a lesson through verbal, physical or sexual violence. to the sexist woman, you're a girl way out of line who needs to be taught a lesson through verbal, physical or sexual violence, because you're a traitor. to the baeddel and her ally, you're a boy way out of line who needs to be taught a lesson through verbal, physical or sexual violence, because you knew that men are the bad ones, you knew better, and you fell from grace on purpose, so you're a traitor
is it any wonder the detransition kink is so prevalent among trans men? just let that cook in your mind a bit and really chew on it
and that's just the conceptual stuff. that's not even digging into my personal anecdotes. i could also spend the next year rambling about the nuance between straight vs gay male violence against trans men, and straight vs gay female violence against trans men, or how trans men bully eachother in different ways to be one of the good ones to baeddel types or to prove himself man enough to deserve to exist, or how tme/tma binarism is JUST baeddelism 2, still placing trans men as the perpetual scapegoat and silent punching bag with trans women in the rhetorical position of power (being the Most Oppressedâ˘ď¸ means you have to shut up)(the woman/traitor/tme displeases me, beat her. it kinda all feels the same doesnt it, even if the logic is shifted) etc. but whatever you get the idea. we dont do womanhood properly, so we need to be punished, and men are evil, so be one of the good ones and don't bitch
reading comprehension check: am i transmisogynyst for not kissing ass or do i hate bioessentialism no matter who does it. also, am i being bioessentialist myself or am i just able to recognize that transness exists in the context of being raised one gender according to sex and transitioning (in some fashion) into something else (to some extent)
âď¸âď¸ This is asked entirely in good faith. This post is intended to open dialogue and help with solidarity and understanding. âď¸âď¸
I would like to hear specifically from trans men and trans mascs how the system of [whatever the fuck you call the intersection of transphobia, misogyny, and specifically your gender- whether transandrophobia, isomisogny, antitransmasculinity, transandromisia, transmisandry, or any that I have missed as there are a lot of words to describe similar concepts] uniquely targets and affects you. Things that you feel other demographics do not experience. Reblogs and replies are very encouraged! If you would prefer, you could dm or send an ask to be added anonymously by me.
This is in the spirit of wanting to understand. I am listening. I encourage all non-trans-mascs to not speak on this topic and let trans mascs and trans men do the talking here. Reblog the post to spread it, but please say nothing.
Any and all people who identify as trans men and/or trans mascs are encouraged to participate.
This is not bait to start a fight. I will block without hesitation anyone who is actively being a shithead on this post. I want to hear and uplift your voices by getting it directly from you.
Click this to access the trans fem and trans women version of this post.
#rambling!!!!!!!#this is not an essay#to say nothing of intersex trans men. not even bringing race or ableism into it. bruhhhhh#I'm autistic dawg i kinda fixated on the logic over the feelings. oh well#this is like 1 step removed from venting lmfao
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rant, lesbophobia, misogyny mention
if youâre a man or non-lesbian shut up about lesbianism. honestly. i am so sick of you speaking over us all the time trying to define lesbianism and decide who gets included in lesbianism. seriously point blank shut your mouth. i am incredibly over seeing posts about lesbianism, the history of lesbians, and what it means to be a lesbian with thousands of notes only to find that they are entirely filled with non-lesbians debating and discoursing about us and our label. and almost every single one of these posts blatantly dehumanizes lesbians.
every time a lesbian speaks up on these posts you all will gather like cockroaches and tell them to shut up and call them âr/df/mâ or ât/rfâ just for saying, âhey this is wrong/harmfulâ or âi donât think you guys should be having these discussions without us, without listening to usâ. and itâs so obvious when you throw those words around without care for the weight they carry that you think lesbians are inherently heartless or evil and that we canât be trusted to define ourselves since weâre just man hating dykes, and that you think transmisogyny is just a bargaining chip or a gotcha point you can use against us (which is transmisogynistic in itself).
this may come as a shock to you and hurt your feelings but conversations about lesbianism donât concern you! like i am so so so SO tired of no one in this goddamn community listening to us and everyone uplifting/prioritizing non-lesbians in all discussions about us. i really couldnât give a shit about what you have to say. maybe if things were different you could join the convo but lesbians are constantly getting pushed aside, talked over and drowned out in general, especially when it comes to lesbianism. it is so entitled and self-righteous to think non lesbians have any authority in lesbian discussions, and i can see your lesbophobia in the ways you talk about us like weâre not here. itâs exhausting. shut the hell up
(but i assume you stopped reading at ânon-lesbianâ).
#im sorry if this is worded horribly but i am just so filled with rage at how much and how frequently we get talked over#countless posts about lesbianism on here and the discussion is always centered around non-lesbians and men#most posts about lesbians come from non-lesbians. all of the discourse around the definition of lesbian comes from non-lesbians.#we literally cannot have our own discussions or community without yâall interjecting yourselves and talking over us#all of the discourse around men and lesbianism comes from transmisogynists and lesbophobes#and yes this absolutely includes trans men. in fact a lot of the most violently lesbophobic and misogynistic takes on here have been by#trans men#you are not exempt from this.#like i cannot express how angry it makes me to see someone spreading lesbophobic misinfo have a bisexual or mlm or aroace flag in their pfp#so fucking tone deaf and yâall are too busy cosplaying as Official Spokespeople of Lesbianism to see your transparent lesbophobia#idec anymore if i sound angry and irrational. i am having to fight tooth and nail to be heard in discussions about my sexuality that i donât#even have any energy left to argue calmly. if you think lesbians are mean angry dykes and find yourself wondering#âwhere all the nice ones wentâ you drained our supply of niceness. you emptied our backup reserves with your bullshit. you donât get to#complain that weâre too mean because it is 100% the result of your own actions. im out of fucks to give
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big tw: transphobia, terfs, violence, and assault.
tumblr wont let me reply, so let me make one (or many) things clear:
all of you who left replies such as this on my post are so fucking ignorant. so i wanna bring up a couple of things.
1. you are watering down the meaning of rape.
you say this is "rape by deception" but if you can't tell the difference in the genitals, what is the difference? you surely can't tell the difference if you say you are being "deceived". you not sleeping with them at that point simply means you're transphobic for no reason.
this isn't at all comparable to men taking off their condoms (aka "stealthing") before finishing. see, that is a form of sexual assault. it also isn't equivalent to someone having an STD and not telling their potential partners: being trans isn't contagious nor inherently dangerous, despite the talk of trans panic that you all clearly believe.
if the people are, say, just hooking up, neither are drunk, and there is consent from both parties... then how is it rape? the answer: it isn't. they literally both consented. also see above paragraph.
2. you are attempting to label all trans people as predators for not outing themselves immediately.
most, if not all, of the trans people in these situations are stealth. this means that they can't out themselves for their own safety. it also means they pass as cis. trans people outing themselves has consistently lead to hate crimes including injury and death; especially the trans women you keep citing as predators.
even if trans people aren't stealth, outing themselves to strangers is incredibly dangerous. trans people still deserve good things (including but not limited to sex) despite and including the fact that they are trans. Yes, sex should be fully consensual. And yes, nobody needs sex. however, if you think that trans people should just stay indoors or else risk hate being literally hate crimed while hooking up, you're crazy. you will always encounter people you don't like when hooking up. but you don't ask the included parties their political beliefs beforehand, do you?
in relationships i do believe that trans people should at least know their beliefs on trans people, not for the cis person's comfort, but for the trans person's safety.
may i also remind you all that there are trans minors, including teens and children. labelling them predators is really fucked up actually.
in fact, trans people are far more assaulted by cis people, whether that be by "corrective rape" or otherwise. this blog post states, "...TERFs trying to ban trans women from womenâs bathrooms are essentially demanding that they compromise their own safety by forcing them to use menâs bathrooms, which puts them at risk of assault by transphobic men who donât like the idea of âmen wearing dresses.â This sort of violence isnât imaginary. These assaults really do happen. (And itâs not just cis men who are the attackers; several days ago two cis women were charged with sexually assaulting a trans woman in the bathroom of a /North Carolina bar.)"
3. trans people can be bad people, but that doesn't mean all trans people are bad.
anyone can be a bad person. anyone. but you don't fault all women when one happens to become a predator or rapist: you fault that one woman. it's also not equivalent to being afraid of men, because in that case, every 1 in 4 men has either attempted or completed rape between the ages of 11 and 17 years old just in the united states, which is a significant amount: significant enough to be cautious of most men. especially considering that almost every woman i know has been assaulted by a man in some way. in comparison, almost no trans people have been reported to attack people (specifically in restrooms) in the united states. trans people, in fact, are four times more likely to be victims of violent crime, such as rape, than cis people.
the "trans people" you all love to source are, spoiler alert: not actually trans! pretending to be a gender you aren't to manipulate someone and being trans are completely different..... being trans has to do with your personal identity, and you transition for yourself. pretending to be a gender you aren't is just that: pretending. it is done to manipulate people. someone cited this article and this article about the same person. as far as i can tell, the only thing this person did was have sex with the woman with a strapon? she was under the impression it was his real penis, but it wasn't. apparently he also shamed her for not getting pregnant. and yeah, that's shitty, but it isn't rape. there was absolutely no harm done to her as far as i read in the articles, and there was both no risk of the woman getting pregnant or getting an STD. she also apparently couldn't tell the difference between a penis and a strapon... yikes. how is this rape? again, it's definitely shitty, but saying it's sexual assault is completely stretching it. this dude was a shitty person, but you all seem to cite the same shitty people in regards to your "justified" transphobia.
i trust other trans people far more than i trust cis people. you know why? i never felt in danger in the presence of a trans person because they are trans, but i have felt unsafe in the presence of cis people because they're cis. i and my loved ones have been put in danger many times because someone perceived me as trans, or i was outed. without having expressed any of my opinions. my existence is inherently political, and that makes me a target.
there is a lot more to discuss, but this is what im putting out there right now.
you seem to forget that we're actually human beings. you dehumanize us and spread lies to be "gender critical" or a "feminist", but you refuse to acknowledge all those who are caught in the crossfire, and those actual human beings you're hurting and killing. fuck yall.
im not even going to mention the amount of cis people ive been assaulted or near-assaulted by compared to trans people, because it's practically 1000:1. that's hardly an exaggeration. get your heads right.
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Transmisandry / transandrophobia / anti-transmasculinity -
The coining of these terms had nothing to do with trans women.
These terms were coined by trans men because we lacked the language to describe our oppression. Period. That's it. We didn't have a word, and we needed a word, so we created a word.
That's it.
"In addition" - yes, you're right. A fear of men is absolutely 100% a tool of the patriarchy. I've actually talked extensively on this issue in other posts, including how it intersects with race. But again, the fact that they are men is core to how they are viewed and hated and you cannot dissect away their manhood out of convenience.
"OG argument" - I think multiple things can be true. Sometimes we as trans people are viewed as men, sometimes as women, and sometimes as a subhuman "other". It depends on what the bigot needs in that moment to hurt us the most.
We are viewed as men when it is convenient to bigots to frame us as frightening and violent. We are treated and feared as men when it allows the bigots to be afraid of us, when it allows them to rally fear of us in others; when they can cry "think about the poor little girls in the bathrooms, think of the poor little girls playing sports! Testosterone is an evil hormone that makes you ugly and violent! It makes you rape people! It's why males are inherently violent! You just want to oppress women!".
It is convenient for them to view us as women when they want to frame us as weak idiots who are unable to think for ourselves. "They're all too stupid to know what they want and are being misled by the beauty industry! Trans men just want to escape the patriarchy! Trans men only feel "dysphoria" because skinny is the beauty standard! Trans women just want to uphold patriarchal standards of womahood and beauty! They're all supporting the plastic surgery industry which is exploiting them and they're too stupid to realize it!"
And yeah, a lot of the time this means they treat us as inhuman "nonpeople" with all the bad traits of both genders. We are both so stupid we don't know basic biology, and simultaneously so clever we can "trick the youth", for example.
Multiple things can be true at once. But one thing that is absolutely true is that a hatred and fear of the extreme forms of maleness and manhood are inherently a part of how bigots treat us. And you seem to agree with that.
And that's all I'm saying.
A hatred of men is an essential part of transphobia against both trans women and trans men.
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Whatâs Bad for You is Good for Me
Or otherwise called, conflicting needs in representation. Which is most certainly a thing.
Sometimes we have specific needs ton representation that isnât met due to certain circumstances. Recently I posted something about how Lazy Eyes are portrayed as inherently ableist, despite the fact I grew up with it being incredibly disabling and being treated poorly for having one, and in a discussion with other people, have been told they feel the same way.
Today, I saw a post about how someone being transphobic, complained about how trans characters gave him dysphoria. While he was incredibly transphobic about him, I realized that thereâs intersectionality on representation no one really talks about.
We donât talk about how itâs weird to define representation as good and bad depending on how stereotyped it looks. We just sort of do it.
Like, for example, a flamboyantly gay, gender-nonconforming man who is very open about his sexuality and might even be sexual. This is considered a horrible stereotype. I... I've known gay men like that who genuinely enjoyed the nice representation of those characters.
I think the issue is the difference between how it's played off, and why it's being done. And I'll use a few examples.
Power Puff Girls has the Devil who suspiciously borders on a transmisogynistic and homophobic stereotype, being a villain. The femininity that the character displays is part of the villainous routine, and there's not much to the character outside of this. When the character feels like it, he drops his femininity to become masculine and aggressive. Top it off with being the devil, it's pretty bad. This is bad representation, if not for the villain part, then for the fact that there's no substance to it at all.
Which is actually what the problem with representation usually is. It's two-dimensional, and it's villanizing. The character is not only that way because it makes them more villainous, but it also helps make us look horrifying to the viewers.
What changes when you include Lil Nas X's recent release, MONTERO (Call me by your name)? It's a form of self-expression and it's inherently fighting back against the need to sanitize oneself for an oppressing class. It's fighting back against the idea that in order to exist, we need to be pure. To be accepted into heaven we atone for being gay. It's a rejection of Modern Religion and society's base treatment of us.
And it's necessary. We can't have the soft, loving, sanitized rep. It can suit plenty of us. Being accepted into heaven- in spite of our flaw of being gay? I've been told that before- isn't what everyone wants. In order to have reached acceptance, we must not readily display the "bad" part of ourselves.
If a straight woman was to want for a dude, it's highly more accepted than if a man were to do it. Regardless of the man's input?
I can't go to a conversation, openly as a trans man, and discuss my attraction to men as a man, and not get shut down, "because it's weird" but I do have to sit there and hear talk about anime boobs. Sometimes for hours. Because you know, that's acceptable in society, me liking men as a dude isn't.
And the thing is, neither is bad. A gay man being openly sexual and open about his sexuality in media, so long as it's not his defining trait and he's not demonized for it in the media- aka villainizing a gay man who is flamboyantly gay and gnc is very common- it's good.
A gay man who is soft, caring and understanding for his partner, emotionally mature and shies away from his sexuality is also good. It's not representation I need, but for younger audiences it is.
A gay man who is selective in his men vs a man who isn't. We need both.
Representation makes us feel human. Like we're not horrible for existing, and one set is never going to be enough.
For example. I'm a very androgynous trans man. I wear dresses and makeup.
I enjoy the feminine trans characters because they can exist and so can I. I also enjoy the masculine trans characters.
I hate the written trans experience and I absolutely cannot stand fanfiction regarding trans man, regardless of which it is.
It's dysphoria-inducing. Why? Because it focuses on the aspect of being trans rather than the aspect of existing as a man, and those aspects tend to center around dysphoria or being AFAB. Either way, the experience is uncomfortable for me to interact with and can really bother me.
That form of representation isn't for me. I live the trans experience. I don't need it in my media. I want a person who lives the average life and happens to be trans. Where being trans isn't the center of the story.
Other people need it the exact opposite, and if being trans isn't integral it bothers them. They feel like being trans is on a higher level of their identity and their rep needs to reflect that.
In fact, I talked to another trans friend of mine, who said that the kind of stories that focus on the body being AFAB was reaffirming to them and it helped them along. They loved content like that. Where as I couldn't bear it, it caused me issues and I saw it personally as harmful.
The thing about rep isn't actually the stereotypes, most of the time. IE a feminine trans man character isn't bad rep, so long as he's an actual human being.
I also think the person making it and the intent behind the character are important.
Example 1: A cis woman who makes a trans woman villain the epitome of masculinity who is pretending to be a woman, and is defeated by a woman, is just bad rep.
Why? Because a) it targets and puts down another minority to uplift women. b) it intentionally tries to erase trans women from being women. c) it reinforces the stereotype that trans women are just men trying to pretend to be women and are inherently violent. d) it demonized masculine trans women who may have been denied- or do not want- to medically transition.
Example 2: Created by someone who is LGBT+ with input from a trans man. A trans man is flamboyantly gay, talks about how much he loves men quite a lot, and is known for being fairly feminine. He enjoys hobbies such as boating and fishing, and his story is about connecting with his community and accepting himself as a person without needing to give a part of himself up.
Is example 2 real? I hope it is, I'd enjoy that. But this is good rep. Yes, it plays on stereotypes, but this is a person. Their story is about their identity and they have traits outside of the stereotype. For a flamboyantly gay trans man, this would be perfect. If you challenged toxic masculinity in the movie and addressed how trans men feel the need to overperform into toxic masculinity for acceptance and how it ruins our connections with our emotions, it would be pretty great.
Example 3: Created based on a real person. A character who is clearly autistic, and struggles with communication, who acts childish and clearly has a prominent lazy eye. This character struggles with tasks but gets them right. This is done with input and the person's input
Bad Rep?
If you said yes you'd be wrong. A character based on a real human being can't be bad representation. Because a) they're human, and b) there's a nuance to people that needs to be addressed.
Human beings will never be a monolith and having a monolith idea of representation to show oppressors what we're like ignores the fact of human diversity.
I can only speak for myself. This means the topic of race and how to handle racial issues in media vs the sanitization of the culture people of colour have, is not one I can speak on, and I wish I could have input on it.
I'll add if I'm not cohesive enough, it's usually because of Autism and possible Comorbid ADHD fighting each other.
If someone better at the topic can handle this, feel free to reblog and add on, I'll reblog additions and reply to any concerns made.
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Just out of curiosity, did you read JK's essay? I don't support everything in it but many parts resonated with me. Not to mention the horrific online abuse hurled at her, especially the countless, countless "choke on my dick" phrases thrown at her which are so violently misogynistic, it left me with a deep seated feeling of not only discomfort but fear as well. Idk I guess I just felt safe sending this because your blog seems more open to discussion from the other side instead of instant cancel.
iâm glad you think so about this blog and i hope that remains the case.
i didnât have a chance to read JKâs essay until today (my previous ask about her was written before that) but here are some very, very imperfect thoughts on it:
the essay confirmed my previous take that she has inoculated herself against certain outside arguments but itâs also made me wonder about JKâs understanding of gender and sex. She is very attached to ânatal womenâ and calling all people who menstruate âwomenâ because of âcommon experiencesâ, despite the fact that her beloved de Beauvoir, whom she quotes in the essay extensively, acknowledged that âwomanâ is a social construct. JK herself at one point complains about having to comply with the rules of femininity while growing up and how it made her want to stop being female, so what is the truth? She argues that young girls shouldnât be thinking about transitioning just because they are made to hate their femaleness but thatâs!!! exactly what!!! pushing the term âwomanâ as sacrosanct does to girls!!! most of what JK felt in her childhood was the kind of misogyny which connects women strictly to their uterus. it made being male a better alternative precisely because of the gate-keeping of penis/vagina. a young girl who acted like a tomboy, for instance, would be criticized for trying to deny her sex, because deep down her biology still made her a âwomanâ. both sex and gender cannot be divorced from socio-cultural realities, because we act with our bodies and embody what we act. so, if we expand what it means to be a âmanâ and a âwomanâ, we liberate, not confine. JK wants young people to feel free to be whoever they want to be, but they must be called âwomenâ when discussing menstruation or else (i wonât even go into the obvious addition that many cis and trans women exist who cannot or no longer menstruate).
Now, she does bring up some fair points about cancel culture and freedom of expression that I will level with, but the problem is that the nuancing she is trying to achieve also serves as weirdly specific dog-whistling. So let me address that:
(warning: spoilers for the Cormoran Strike series)
Right off the bat, we have this explanation added in her intro:Â
âOn one level, my interest in this issue has been professional, because Iâm writing a crime series, set in the present day, and my fictional female detective is of an age to be interested in, and affected by, these issues herself (...)â Â
and already, iâm asking questions. how is Robin Ellacott, one of the protagonists of the Strike series, âaffected" by these issues, personally? sheâs âof an ageâ to...what? be gender critical? thereâs not a lot of that in the novels (unless you count Robin being tall and knowing how to drive well being framed as anti-girly...). How does crime relate to it? How is she connected to this really?Â
the real connection JK wants us to see because sheâll reveal it later in the essay is that Robin was r*ped in college. sheâs a sexual assault survivor, which must make her critically engaged with the fate of trans women because....because underneath JKâs empty statement about her female detective....is the correlation that men âdisguisedâ as trans women can perpetrate the same sort of horrific abuse. she keeps making this correlation throughout the essay.
Here she talks about various people whoâve reached out to her:
Theyâre worried about the dangers to young people, gay people and about the erosion of womenâs and girlâs rights. Above all, theyâre worried about a climate of fear that serves nobody â least of all trans youth â well.
And again here:
âSo I want trans women to be safe. At the same time, I do not want to make natal girls and women less safe. When you throw open the doors of bathrooms and changing rooms to any man who believes or feels heâs a woman â and, as Iâve said, gender confirmation certificates may now be granted without any need for surgery or hormones â then you open the door to any and all men who wish to come inside. That is the simple truth.â
This one is my favorite because itâs so twisted (here sheâs listing her charity work):
âThe second reason is that Iâm an ex-teacher and the founder of a childrenâs charity, which gives me an interest in both education and safeguarding. Like many others, I have deep concerns about the effect the trans rights movement is having on both.â
âsafeguardingâ
hmmmm
What JK wants to spell out with these âcommon senseâ arguments is that she fears that trans women are predatory, and the most convincing argument she can bring, ultimately, is that she herself has been the victim of sexual abuse and therefore, that potential fear never goes away. Thatâs a very dangerous leap to make. The climate of âfearâ she mentions is also connected to cancel culture, of course. She fears women wonât be able to express their opinions online without receiving various amounts of vitriol. But you see how she has merged all three issues together? So that if you agree with one, you must agree with the others. Because yes, cancel culture often goes too far, and yes it is a real issue, but to say that the trans community shutting her down foments the same atmosphere of âfearâ as boogie trans women hurting children in bathrooms and her being abused by her cis husband⌠thatâs a veeery slippery slope. Instead of sticking to âfreedom of speechâ and whatnot, she keeps correlating these issues that should not be correlated (some of them being false issues, as well). Â
Is there too much opprobrium around discussions of trans identity? Yes. Are there worthy discussions to be had about young women, homophobia and gender dysphoria? Absolutely. Can being trans become a fashionable trend/identity among kids, like the bygone goth and emo labels? Sure, but these discussions shouldnât be had at the expense of trans people who have to constantly prove that they âmeanâ it. Because by stringing up all these issues together, JK is saying âthe kids donât know any better, and the adults are faking itâ. Yes, cancel culture is impeding dialogue, yes, we shouldnât shy away from discussing young teensâ identity problems, but if you pile up all of these things in a giant âtrans women are the problem and they might be predatory tooâ milkshake, you wonât get anywhere.
I want to come back to this quote:
The second reason is that Iâm an ex-teacher and the founder of a childrenâs charity, which gives me an interest in both education and safeguarding. Like many others, I have deep concerns about the effect the trans rights movement is having on both.
Beyond the (in my opinion) not very tasteful enumeration of things sheâs done to help, JKâs mention of âeducationâ there is veeery interesting. On the one hand, she probably feels that schools will try to censor âfree speechâ, but on the other hand, I bet sheâs also concerned schools will not do enough censoring, so that impressionable kids become pressured into adopting a trans identity. You see how it flips on a dime? What does she ultimately want children to learn about this? Does she want them to be kept in the dark completely? Does she want them to be allowed to critique or invalidate trans identities without being censored? On this second point, things get complicated. Schools and institutions will naturally censor free speech. Â Kids are there to learn how to express that free speech; they will be told âhey, donât say that to your colleague, itâs not very kindâ or âyou need to structure your argument appropriately instead of just saying âI donât like itââ. Is there room for criticism in how schools operate that benevolent censorship? Obviously. Hell, Foucault & co. have been talking about this for decades. So what does this argument about education ultimately mean? What are we protecting the kids from? Imo, it goes back to that covert argument about sexual violence. Â Â
Since Iâm a teacher too, Iâll talk about my own experience: I brought some texts to my undergrad class about the trans experience with the goal of 1) building empathy, because literature is the grand unifier of experience and 2) showing different literary perspectives which i also included within literary theory. ultimately, the trans experience is about being human. we were learning about being human, nothing more, nothing less. if younger kids end up treating it as a fad it means that a) they need more, not less education, Â b) parents and schools should work together to make them understand that being trans is not the same as being âemoâ, for instance. this partially resembles the trend of white kids adopting black culture just because itâs cool, but not actually engaging with the black experience. who do you sanction for this? black people? because in this analogy, the trans community should be responsible for children not benefiting from education and parental support.
oh, I know what JK is saying. the trans community is responsible for shutting down conversations about this. itâs part of the general climate of tiptoeing around trans issues. yes, here I can agree with her that Twitter discourse either helps build sympathy or loathing for the âcancelledâ person instead of seriously grappling with what that person has done. itâs the nature of Twitter and I hate it, but to go from that to saying women and young girls are in danger from other âfakeâ women really undermines her own argument. There are normal pitfalls as we try to incrementally do some good in this world. Cancel culture and the deplatforming and ruining of lives of certain individuals will not promote the cause and is certainly to be frowned upon, but JK will be absolutely fine. there are hashtags right now like âistandwithJKâ and thereâs a slew of people who support her. the misogyny she faces is deplorable, but we shouldnât conflate valid criticism with trollish vulgarities. I donât want to minimize the dangers of online culture; I know people have lost jobs and livelihood, but that is a discussion to be had under different parameters, admitting the responsibility of both parties (for example, maya forstater realizing that maybe saying some hurtful things about public figures and proudly talking about the âdelusionâ of transwomen will come back to bite her in the ass) and the fact that under capitalism, your job is always at the whim of appearances and simulacrums. essentially, you are the job. this is a state of things that deserves a larger discussion not on the back of the trans community. should we live in a world where you are allowed to say anything, free of consequences? some of us do, because we can say whatever we want in our head, in our room, in our house (other ppl arenât so lucky), but the trouble starts in the public sphere. even if we wanted to build a public sphere where everything goes, weâd be at each otherâs throats in five seconds anyway because weâre human. the most we can do is educate and correct where we can. Â âfacts donât care about your feelingsâ discourse is often not informed by facts at all and forgets the vital importance of feelings.
anyway, thatâs my incomplete take. still lots to think about and debate. ultimately, i think any fair points JK brought up were tainted by other bad-faith arguments and i wish sheâd use this time to self-reflect because this isnât a topic that should be breezed past in 3k words. nor should young trans ppl be called âadorableâ (facepalm). i myself have many questions and constantly grapple with all of this, but since sheâs a writer (and for better or worse, i still like her books), she is in a perfect position to investigate the matter with kindness and stop giving ultimatums. and i hope this post fosters discussion and doesnât shut anyone down.
( forgot to mention that other nifty subplot in the Strike series about these really unlikable kids who are transabled and experience BID ( Body integrity dysphoria)Â and want to have a disability. Strike is super-offended by them since heâs genuinely disabled and we as readers are meant to think theyâre real pieces of shit, and while transableism is suuuuper complicated and my thoughts on it vary wildly, i do think those BID kids also stand in for other folks in her mind..again, food for thought.)
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A handy guide to avoid accidental transphobia
For cis people in the Druck fandom who write fic, headcanons or meta and donât wanna mess upÂ
Including questions like: Is David trans? Is he beautiful? Is he wearing a binder this whole damn time?? Whatâs his story?
hey everybody, Iâve debated making this post for a while now because I donât want to seem ungrateful to the people who are already trying, and I know that there are other trans people in this fandom who are already doing a pretty good job educating people, but then again, why not share my thoughts as well.Â
In this post, Iâll collect a few headcanons, meta, and other discussions that iâve seen around here and that made me personally uncomfortable - now be aware that iâm only one trans person and that other people can have other opinions on this, but also iâve done trans activism for a few years now and iâm a gender studies major, so I definitely know what iâm talking about. also, a fair warning: this is gonna get long as heck. okay, letâs go.
Is David trans? The truth is: We donât know yet. We only know that the actor who plays him, Lukas Alexander, is a trans guy. Now Iâve seen various people speculate if that automatically has to mean that David is trans as well, and obviously, no. David could be cis for all we know, and yes, casting trans actors in cis roles can be a pretty cool thing. However, if youâre cis, it would be cool if you reblog trans peopleâs opinions on this instead of shouting loudly about your own opinion, especially if it is that David should be cis for whatever reason. Why is that problematic? Trans activists are currently fighting for representation in media. There arenât many trans characters we can look up to, especially not such young characters in a show that has such a big impact on a generation of young people. Many trans teenagers have never seen themselves represented in media, and many trans adults like myself are still craving for that good, good representation. Most of the time when we get trans characters, theyâre played by cis actors - and because itâs mostly cis men who play trans women and cis women who play trans men, it perpetuates the idea that trans people are just especially well dressed up men and women who trick people into believing theyâre âthe other sexâ. (ugh) Even though thatâs a different problem, it links to this one as well, because trans stories in media are rare, and itâs even rarer to have them portrayed by trans actors. Yes, it would be revolutionary and gender-redefining if trans actors could play cis characters (or just characters whose cis or trans status is never brought up in the first place), but thatâs one step ahead of the game in my opinion and tbh, cis people saying that they want David to be cis for whatever reason is just... suspicious.
Is David beautiful? Well, Iâm sure we can all agree that this boy is a sight for sore eyes, and iâm pretty proud of this fandom for weeding out the transphobic assholes who called him ugly at the beginning of the season. Iâm sure by now theyâve all seen the error of their ways because HECK, in levels of attractiveness, David is a king. Though it might not be the best to call him âbeautifulâ, âprettyâ or other usually female-gendered words when youâre cis and describing him. Why is that problematic? Listen, thereâs absolutely nothing inherently bad about calling boys pretty or beautiful or whatever - I personally am an absolute goner when it comes to soft boys⢠and their aesthetics, and I also think that denying boys to be soft and pretty is misogyny in a way, because itâs implying that female-coded things are bad. However, there are many trans boys (and other trans and nonbinary folks who were assigned female at birth) who feel uncomfortable when these words are used for them because it can be linked to misgendering or remind them of times before they were out. Trans people are often highly aware of their body and looks, because the way we look is heavily observed, judged and policed by society, and most of the time, being seen the (gendered) way we identify is the only way we get respect and basic decency. We donât know yet if David personally has a problem with being called beautiful or whatever, but we also donât know how the actor who plays him feels about that, and there are a couple of trans boys in this fandom whoâve already expressed their discomfort with these words. So in order to protect them and make this fandom safe for them, it seems like a small price to pay to consider our choice of words more carefully when we describe David, and try to avoid female-coded words.
What about Davidâs chest? Now this one is tricky. Iâve seen discussions about it a lot: Does David wear a binder, did he wear it the whole time he was with Matteo, does he maybe not even bind, did he have a mastectomy? The underlying tone of these discussions is worry - we all want David to be safe and comfortable, and seriously, let me tell you once and for all: a binder shouldnât be worn longer than 8 hours a day, it shouldnât be worn when sleeping, and it shouldnât be worn when doing sports (also relevant for our jock boy). Itâs not safe and it can heavily damage the breast tissue, ribs, and lungs - it can be literally life-threatening. Itâs perfectly fine to worry about this, but it still feels uncomfortable to watch cis people debate the state of a trans boyâs body in such detail. Why is that problematic? Trans peopleâs bodies have always been scrutinized and judged - by medicine, by the state, by society as a whole. We always have to prove ourselves and our bodies, and convince people that weâre not just tricking them into believing weâre someone we are not. A lot of âtrue womanhoodâ or âtrue manhoodâ apparently revolves around genitalia, at least cis people seem to think so. Which is why so many trans people (and letâs be real here, especially trans women) have to deal with the question: âHave you had the surgery yet?â - meaning, did they already undergo the one surgery among the various ones trans people might consider, that reshapes their genitalia in a way that is acceptable to society. Cis people often use these questions about our bodies and the way we change them to delegitimatize us and take away our status as a ârealâ man or woman. Other than that, trans peopleâs bodies often get portrayed as something freakishly exotic by cis people; thereâs a certain voyeurism about it, and it often gets sexualized - just look at the way trans women are treated in mainstream porn. Cis people examining our bodies, theorizing about what kind of operations weâve had or havenât had yet, and possibly sexualizing or belittling/dehumanizing us for it, that will always be very thin ice, because it comes with a lot of emotional baggage for trans people individually and as a community.
Whatâs Davidâs backstory? Weâre all wondering that, especially since Druck is mixing up the whole Skam setting so much and we really donât know what they have in store for us. Obviously Iâm just as thirsty for theories as the rest of the fandom, but Iâve also read a few things that kinda irked me. Hereâs what to avoid: Referring to David as a girl or female in any way, speaking about him in the past with âshe/herâ-pronouns or coming up with a deadname for him. Oh lord please donât. Itâs nothing but misgendering and itâs so, so wrong. If youâre cis, also please reconsider posting headcanons for his backstory that contain heavy transphobia. Not only can that trigger trans people in the fandom (please use trigger warnings for that stuff, okay?), but thereâs also a long history of cis people taking trans narratives away from us and making them only about suffering and pain. Sure, dysphoria sucks, the discrimination sucks, but me, a trans person, complaining about these things is WAY different from a cis person fantasizing about a really painful, possibly violent life for a trans character. Sure I want realism and I want a platform where we can discuss the truly awful experiences many of us have because weâre trans, but I wish that cis people would boost trans voices for that instead of coming up with their own fucked up fantasies about how badly a trans character might have been treated. If youâre writing fic or meta and you want to find an explanation why David changed schools so close to the end of the school year, you donât have to dig deep into the trans pain to explain it. Itâs not that uncommon for trans people to change schools, work places, etc. once theyâve transitioned far enough to feel comfortable - a new start makes the stuff like name changes, new gender presentation, etc. easier. And even if Davidâd move is related to transphobic experiences, I donât really need to read detailed descriptions of it. You wouldnât want to obsess over someone elseâs trauma in vivid detail in front of them, so please be cautious when writing about something thatâs seen as traumatic by many trans people.
Other useful pointers: There are trans people in this fandom who voice their opinions - seek them out, listen to them, boost their voices, donât speak over them when they talk about trans experiences. Donât focus too much on the fact that David is (or might be) trans. Like sure, include that in your writing, but make sure you know that itâs not the only and not the most interesting thing about him. In most regards, heâs just a boy, and he has a lot of character traits that tell us just as much about him, like the fact that heâs really closed-off, competitive af, artistic, a music lover and a complete emo dork, seems to have an active flight-or-fight response,... you see what iâm getting at. Letâs obsess about David on these terms, and Iâm sure weâll get a whole lot of new and interesting meta and fic about him that all of us can enjoy.Â
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>I am aware that some human beings lie. Men can lie. Women can lie. Even nonbinary people can lie.
There's a difference between "some people lie" and "some people can lie". I am talking about things that actually happened. Actual cases of paternity fraud and coercion.
Not hypotheticals.
>However the likelihood of a woman lying about paternity or contraception is very low.
The likelihood of someone identifying as trans or non-binary is very low. By your implied logic, society should just ignore them.
This is a standard you are making up, fit to purpose.
>I'm sure you hate how women treat all men with the same broad brush of potential predator until proven otherwise even though the vast majority of men aren't violent. So why do the same for women?
I'm sorry, which side wants to treat all men who knock up a woman by accident the same? Because I'm pretty sure that was yours.
I was simply pointing out that there are circumstances where the dude is absolutely, 242% not responsible for the woman's pregnancy.
>I think the MRA rhetoric of "baby trapping" does not describe the situation with much accuracy and does not engender women to be compassionate.
It's not MRA rhetoric. I am not an MRA. Slapping a label on something to dismiss it is bigotry.
I've seen plenty of women who care about this issue, no matter what it's called. And not just the women committing it.
You are using quotation marks around a term I did not actually use, so you can attack it instead of my point.
It's a tad hypocritical to talk about "compassion" while you are actively dismissing men's viewpoint. And assuming all women agree with
>If you step into the perspective of a woman, it makes 0 sense to go through 9 months of the permanently life-altering body horror that is pregnancy followed by raising a child for the next 18 years solely for the purpose of getting a little extra cash for mani/pedis every month.
Who said it's all about money? Abusive partners regularly use children as tools. If the baby daddy is paying child support, he's forced to have contact with the woman and the kid.
Also, this is the exact same rhetoric feminists use to downplay false rapes. "Women wouldn't do that! There's not much chance they'd get away with it!"
Which assumes, again, that women near-universally have the exact same view of the odds you do, and are rational actors.
>It's not about you. And framing it as if it is about you when women know that's simply not true makes it harder for them to be sympathetic about understandable but ultimately irrational fears.
It's pretty darn sexist to assume you speak for all women. In fact, there are prominent female MRAs (and non-MRAs) who have discussed this issue, so you're pretty objectively wrong here.
>This would be an opportunity to work with feminists on raising awareness and making it illegal to sabotage contraception be it the kind that men have more control over or the kind that women have more control over
Ah, yes, the classic "you should work with us on the things you think we are failing to do, instead of publicly criticizing us for failing to do those things".
Feminism itself regularly and explicitly genders rape as something men do to women. People have tried to get mainstream feminists to be less sexist about rape, and got lots of pushback.
Feminists have gone out of their way to protest when universities tried to have talks and show movies about men's issues.
Why exactly should most people who talk about men's issues trust mainstream feminism, which is bigger, more powerful, and has spent the past decade and change spreading lies about people who talk about men's issues, up to and including falsely blaming them for at least one mass murderer, Elliot Rodger?
Heck, you (personally) can barely even pretend to care about male rape victims.
Sorry, male "sexual assault" victims.
Even though I specifically used the term rape.
And as a man who's been sexually assaulted, I absolutely would not trust you, personally.
Good day.
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HEY SO u didnât wanna go on a trans!magnus tangent in ur sexuality post but *I* want you to go on a trans!magnus tangent! Tell me more about him coming to terms w/ his identity & how itâs influenced his life and all that. Essentially just give me all the trans!magnus content in ur brain. Love u â¤ď¸â¤ď¸â¤ď¸ ~cursedlightwood
hereâs my hot take: magnusâ gender is Tired. and yes, i will elaborate, because Ive spent the last 2-3 weeks doing research for this ask, so this is probably the most well-informed theory youâll see on this subject. yeah, weâre doomed
EDIT: i was gonna say this from the get-go but i forgot, so: english is not my first language and iâm unsure about the usage of some terms that i found during research, particularly those referring to traditional javanese religions and customs; so, if you spot anything that is problematic, racist or colonialist please let me know and iâll change it.Â
ok, so i want to start this off by saying that, although javanese society had a binary gender system, they had pretty egalitarian views on gender, and from what iâve seen the division of labor wasnât really set in stone - although they were less common than male ones, there were female warriors, for instance. both men and women could be the sovereign and were equally respected, both could ask for a divorce, etc. the most important part of their gender views, to me, seems to be that they believed women were better for diplomatic roles and trading, because they believed men were too emotional and not as good as debating and making compromises as women were (same source)
so iâm just gonna say this, here and now: AFAB!Magnus makes a lot of sense because Magnus is the most diplomatic person youâll ever fucking see, and in this context, if he were AFAB, he would have been socialized to be for a very young age. and i dont mean hes diplomatic just on the sense that heâs literally keeping most of the characters together and preventing fights (remember when he had to stop a Raphael VS Simon catfight? ugh), but also in the sense that out of everyone hes the one who best handles the seelie queen, for example. heâs good at Wit Battles, negotiating, building bridges and dealing with power relations when its needed.
and i mean, this would also be a pretty good start on why heâd be like âno thanksâ when it comes to this whole Womanhood thing, because yeah, Magnus is good at that, he has to be, but does he like it? to me itâs pretty clear that he doesnât, that heâs absolutely uninterested in anything involving power and negotiations and this whole ridiculous dance it involves. also heâs constantly giving himself the short end of the stick so yâknow. honestly, at heart, magnus is an inventor, an explorer; he likes to create things, he likes to learn, he likes to explore the world around him, meet people, help them, build relationships - but on equal grounds, not this whole give-some-take-some thing diplomacy entails. and as a Woman⢠in pre-colonial java society, itâs pretty much that, be a farmer, or a concubine - weâre gonna get to that a little bit later on.
so i think in this context little magnus would be like âno thanksâ and wanting to go around and, i donât know, look at plants and learn their properties and figure out why apples fall, or something. itâs not exactly a Manâs Role⢠either, although to be fair i found it a little hard to figure out what exactly were menâs roles in javanese society because gender studies usually just focus on women and treat men as the standard and donât really explore how manhood is construed. but anyway. i know that they were warriors more frequently than women (same source), but women could be warriors as well. like i said, gender roles in javanese society werenât really set in stone. [alec voice] theyâre not rules, theyâre suggestions.
add to that the fact that magnus lived in a port city - he had to, since in the early 1600s the dutch were only settling in important ports and trading centers - and the ports in java were very important trading centers that had been attracting people from all over Asia and Europe for centuries, and had a quite good share of migrants and immigrants living there, including quite a good share of Buginese, aka the people who had a 5-gender division. jakarta, which is in java, has like the 10th biggest buginese population in the world, not to mention the countless other societies that had their own views on gender relations; and you have a pretty good and accepting environment when it comes to differences. the javanese were flexible, they were well aware that culture isnât set in stone, and they were very prone to syncretism. the kingdom allowed people to have any religion they wanted, even if its âofficialâ religion at the time was buddhism. so really: the javanese were actually not very into the whole âimposing cultural constructsâ thing, especially the coastal javanese. so magnus would have likely had the freedom to explore and to not really want to conform to any gender stereotypes without that being a HUGE deal, in my opinion.
and then thereâs the fact that the concept of womanhood was a pretty disputed one at the time; yes, the javanese had their own views, but itâs important to note that by the 1600s most of the coastal javanese population had converted to Islam, which led to a few differences as well; when compared to other southeast asian communities, for example, the rate of women in trade was a little different - while it was a steady 50% in almost all countries and cultures, in indonesia it was around 30%, because muslim communities had more of a âwomen stay at homeâ view. however, when compared to other asian societies such as the chinese society, where the rate was of 1-5%, you can see that the javaneseâs egalitarian views on gender stood a fair amount of ground. also, in indonesia, precisely due to their more open views, Islam mostly syncretised with local religions and customs, including the gender views; in Bugis, for instance, the 5-gender system was kept, as were traditional customs such as âritual transvestismâ and homosexuality. so, yes, it was disputed, and people had many views on what people could or couldnât do, but that mostly ended up becoming a kind of âlive and let liveâ thing. which is the perfect environment for 1- AFAB!Magnus be Very Tired of this whole womanhood thing that no one can even decide what it is anyway; 2- Magnus to say âfuck thisâ and live as a masc-leaning genderless entity that just wanted to make some goddamn potions.
but then thereâs the colonial relations, right? how do the dutch come into this already very complicated and delicately balanced equation? that was honestly the main point of my research, trying to figure out just how much influence the dutch had at such an early stage of colonisation, and also what it would be like to live in a mixed-culture household such as magnusâ. hereâs what i have:
during the first century of dutch colonisation (aka the part weâre talking about) the dutch and the europeans didnât really have a big influence in javanese cultural and political relations. the javanese were pretty well organised and had a powerful and strong society so the europeans didnât really manage to invade them successfully - even the portuguese, the most powerful european nation at the time, tried and failed to invade them for the whole 16th century (get rekt lmao). so what the dutch did was, they simply established themselves as one of the many companies that settled in jakarta to trade, and slowly built their power and influence from there. donât get me wrong, the dutch were very violent colonisers and in other parts of indonesia they were doing the european thing of mass genocide as much as any other country. they werenât a âsofterâ version of colonisers, they just didnât have the power to subjugate the javanese, so they had to try a slower approach. during the early 1600s, the only dutch people in java were the VOC workers (VOC is the dutch east india company - the acronym is in dutch. basically the company that was there to get some nice spices to sell to the rest of europe so they could shove it all up their assholes or smth since up to this day their food is bland as shit), and they werenât permanent settlers; they could only stay in java for the duration of their contract with the VOC and they couldnât bring their wives and children with them, and they couldnât bring any wives or mixed children they had while in java back to europe, either (same source).
this weird relationship meant that magnusâ âstepfatherâ and his mother probably had a relationship of concubinage (told you weâd get back to that), which was not uncommon in java neither before nor after the arrival of the dutch. in short, his mother was supposed to take care of his house, make him food and all that jazz, and also have a sexual relationship with him, in exchange for money (same source). it was not prostitution and it worked pretty much as a marriage, except it was temporary and contractual. BUT it meant that magnusâ mother would have to have converted to christianism (same source) and due to the fact that she was in a temporary contract, she couldnât divorce him, and in their home he would treat her as, well, europeans treated their wives - with the particular western brand of sexism that they so kindly forced unto the rest of us. so that makes the whole thing even more disputed and complicated.
but as a VOC worker, magnusâ stepfather wouldnât even be home for most of the day, and he couldnât really keep magnus or his mom from, like, leaving the house and doing their things. i think he wouldnât even try because that would prolly be very looked down upon in java; spousal abuse in southeast asia as a whole was pretty rare, since anyone could divorce whenever they wanted and women were politically and financially independent, so i think if he tried to pull something like that he would be in trouble - again, the dutch were the minority, and for the most part, they lived as the javanese did, in their villages, in their homes, eating their food and mostly adapting to their customs (same source). they even mostly spoke indonesian in their homes, since most indonesians didnât speak dutch, and indonesia was kind of the universal language at the time, since there were many languages spoken both in and outside of java (this also explains why magnus speaks indonesian instead of javanese; that would have been the language spoken at his home. you have no idea how relieved having an explanation for this makes me). also thereâs the pressing question of, would he even give a shit what magnus does or doesnât do? magnus wasnât his biological son, and most of these guys didnât care about any biological children they might have had with these women, since they were women of color and they would leave them eventually anyway. honestly this is all the more reason for him to treat magnus like shit - he was javanese, he was brown, and he wasnât even related to him by blood. this was also probably grounds for him to treat magnusâ mom even worse, since in his christian eyes the fact that she had a child outside of marriage made her even lesser than other indonesians.
so honestly, what iâm picturing is something like - most of the time it was pretty okay, there were certain expectations and a certain kind of female socialization but it was okay that he didnât really fit in there, and then with his stepfather the whole thing was just shit.Â
also, the fact that his mom was probably a concubine means there was a fair chance that his stepfather would have other concubines, and listen, yes i may be flexing, but you canât stop me from imagining that maybe magnus was raised in a multicultural home with lots of other southeast asian women and children and maybe even buginese because again you canât fucking STOP ME.
but either way, even if his home wasnât like that, his city was - we donât know which city he lived in, but it doesnât matter, really; all cities with dutch settlers were port cities and therefore followed pretty much the same pattern of being a cultural tapestry with all sorts of influences coexisting in peace.
so really, little magnus lived in a pretty rich environment when it came to exploring his identity. he and his mom lived in a pretty egalitarian society gender-wise, he had the space and the opportunity to explore the world and figure out what he liked and didnât like. am i going crazy imagining a tiny magnus with his mom, running around in other farms and listening, enraptured, stories of people from all over the world, about their cultures and lives, and learning there is so much to see and wanting to just go wherever he could, getting himself a passion for travelling that would later fuel his want to invent a quick way to go anywhere he wanted to, going to the port and seeing all the stuff they had available, from plants with healing properties to spices, and just loving to figure out their properties and how they could be mixed together to create new things, loving this world full of wonder and possibilities? maybe. god.
but anyway, what iâm trying to get at here is that itâs really impossible to think of a cis magnus in this context, no matter if you think AMAB or AFAB trans magnus - i know ive been focused on AFAB magnus here but really thatâs mostly because 1- Projection; 2- thinking about AFAB magnus brings in new layers of complexity that need further exploration in my opinion; but really this applies to any magnus. what would being âcisâ even mean, in a context where the very concepts of manhood and womanhood were so disputed and complex? and thatâs not even going into the fact that after so many centuries, complying to gender roles of that time looked nothing like complying to our modern gender roles. really, itâs a lost cause. magnus kind of has a culturally-specific gender thatâŚ. no one but other warlocks born in similar situations could, really? thereâs no word for it. thereâs no explaining it with words. it is [REDACTED GOOD OMENS REFERENCE]
the closest we have is masc-leaning enby, since somewhere along the way he seems to have decided to use male pronouns and have a mostly masc-presenting body, even if paired with a more fem-presenting appearance fashion and mannerisms-wise. but again itâs too unique, there are way too many influences here.
and honestly thatâs kind of beautiful! i love imagining small magnus having contact with people with all kinds of views on gender and society throughout his childhood, exploring, trying on their clothes, learning about their religions and customs, having elderly friends from different backgrounds and also young friends who were raised in very different ways, and sharing all of that, and learning about who he is amidst all of that, and being able to explore that and talk about that to his mom and friends and close people because they are used to these differences. even if when at home he was probably met with some kind of transphobic rhetoric and violence because of his stepfather and the imposed christianity that came with it - and that unlike other religions, didnât syncretize at all.
which brings us to a second, very important point on the whole trans magnus ordeal, which is how deeply tied to racism the transphobia heâs suffered and the general understanding of his gender was. of course, this applies to every single of-color and non-western born person, but magnus has lived that through history. from a very young age, the blunt of the violence he was met with came from a racist standpoint that believed his very identity and existence made him lesser and in need to be corrected - because thatâs what, after all, the colonizers were doing. their whole rhetoric was that the colonized were barbaric and needed them to learn the right ways through violence. it is worth noticing that the javanese have been referred to as âthe most inhuman of all peopleâ by dutch colonizers, and amongst the reasons for that was the fact that their views on gender were so different from the europeanâs (same source).
so really weâre mixing in the fact that he was a âbastardâ child in his stepfatherâs eyes, a warlock, and trans⌠and yeah, oof. thereâs no way he was treated with anything other than violence from way before his momâs suicide and the subsequent drowning attempt. in his stepfatherâs eyes, everything about magnusâ existence was demonic, impure, and all the more reason why he and his mom were dirty and needed to be corrected.
itâs also worth noting that sorcery was a very big part of javanese culture that was also syncretized with pretty much every religion. the javanese believed in sorcery, believed everyone could do magic, and the dutch, of course, despised that. the source above is a pretty interesting article that argues that the europeanâs so-called âskepticismâ on magic and ârational-basedâ culture was actually part of a construction of whiteness that hoped precisely to differentiate them from the âsavageâ others. i mean, the guys were burning women at the stake because they were ��witchesâ, but every other cultureâs religions, rituals and magic were just bullshit and couldnât be trusted because the europeans were too rational and knew better? okay buddy. it also features an amazing story about a dutch colonizer who got hexxed because of his racism that is, quite frankly, heartwarming. but i digress.
so yeah listen i know i already talked about this on the other ask but thereâs really no way the reason his mother killed herself was because she found out magnus was a warlock or a demonâs son or whatever. magic was part of their culture. it was what they believed in. it was a part of nature to them. itâs way more likely that the reason she killed herself was the constant violence she was met with in daily life that she couldnât get away from, and his stepfather simply blamed magnus because, to him, he represented everything that was wrong with their culture - and that makes even more sense if we think about trans!magnus, because that makes him an even deeper abomination. itâs very likely that most of the violence and belittling his mother had to face was related to magnus as well - look what you created, what you do, your culture is an abomination, this is unacceptable. but magnus was way too small at that time, and he believed what his stepfather told him, because i mean, what else would he believe in?
i also think that asmodeus kind of messed with his perception of how the whole thing went down, telling him that he âmurderedâ him when really it was clearly self defense, erasing the violence his stepfather directed towards magnus and focusing on the end to convince magnus that he was evil, unredeemable, that no one would accept him but asmodeus, that he had no other choice. so thatâs super fun! but yeah i do believe that asmodeus spent enough time gaslighting magnus and rewriting this whole story for this to be considered magnusâ worst memory, seen by him as a reminder of his âugly sideâ that doesnât really even exist. asmodeus weaponized this, which served the double purpose of convincing magnus he had no choice but to follow asmodeus, and teaching him that violence is normal and thereâs nothing wrong with it, and that retaliating makes him bad.Â
this is all i have to say about the asmodeus years, really, because like i said before i donât think he gives a shit about gender, heâs way older than it and who cares. but the trauma that the whole thing put magnus through is easily weaponizable. @thesorrowoflizards also wrote this amazing fic that features the headcanon that asmodeus used magnusâ transness to manipulate him as well, using spells that made him more masculine and stuff but only if magnus obeyed him. fun! especially considering that he was with asmodeus through his puberty (or at least thatâs likely) when his body would have begun to change, so for him to have such a masc-presenting bodyâŚ. yeah. this is very plausible. i love pain.
and then we get to england, where again, everyone is an asshole, about everything, all the time. like holy shit, he thought the europeans cared too much when he was in java, but that is nothing compared to the brits and their casual sentencing people to death for being gender non conforming. also, to the europeans, asian men were seen as emasculate and their gender relations as a whole was unnatural, and listen, i know that in 18th-19th century england men also wore makeup and stuff, but i mean, magnus was probably seen as exotic in his âeffeminateâ mannerisms and non-compliance to gender roles, even if people didnât know he was AFAB or just trans in general. he was probably objectified in that sense, kinda like a human-zoo sorta thing. fascinating, these emasculated asians with weird bodies and customs. ugh.
so yeah gender got particularly exhausting at that time, too. thankfully there were the warlocks, who were old enough to know all of this was bullshit and who had people from all kinds of cultural backgrounds, thousands of people with culturally-specific genders, as well as other people who were raised in similar environments as him. so in there he finds a home of sorts, a place where this doesnât matter and where he can be himself and nobody cares, and also has access to different cultures and views and knowledge, and really itâs like the good parts of his childhood again. he learns more about magic and potion-making, about other cultures and places, travels the world, learns about science and the workings behind his magic. creates new potions, new spells, continues his education, learns and remembers how much he loves this, the cultural effervency, the chances to learn and explore and create. really the warlock community is so amazing and itâs like, golden era.
but heâs also living amongst mundanes and to some extent he likes them - not to mention, he likes travelling and learning about different places and cultures. and they seem to care more and more about differentiating genders as time goes by, and to be getting more and more violent in their never-ending quest to force people to fit into these roles, and itâs. tiring. exhausting. who cares. it makes less and less sense to him, and this alienation from the whole thing only solidifies his non-conformance and general inability to fit. sometimes he feels old, and alone, even if he has other people who are Like Him now - the shadow world can get tiring, sometimes, and thereâs also the shadowhunters racism thing going on thatâs also inevitably trying to subjugate their spaces and looks down on their culture - so it also has the downsides of his childhood. sometimes itâs like thereâs no word for who he is, no one that can understand it, no place where he can be fully himself and loved for it. and this only intensifies by the middle of the 19th century, when suddenly makeup and colorful clothing is not for men anymore, and heâs even less conforming than before - he was a pretty respectable Man⢠to their standarts up to that point, but from then on that is lost. it doesnât matter too much, because even if he is masc-leaning, he still doesnât really see himself as a man in the sense that he seems to be expected to. but that furthers the alienation, and the feeling of loneliness and of being old and unfit for this world.
that is also when he meets camille! and thatâs canon because there was that one picture of him with camille and ragnor and the clothes they are wearing are very much from the 1840s (i talked about this here), which is precisely when the whole menâs fashion differentiating from womenâs fashion thing was starting. so in the context of his gender this makes it even easier for camille to manipulate him into thinking that sheâs the only one who will ever understand and accept him, and that heâs naive, and that he doesnât fit into the world and doesnât understand whatâs best for him, and really he should trust her judgement better because he is a man out of his time, but she can help him, and- yeah. that good olde cis-girl-abuses-trans-person routine, with even more elements than usual. ggghhhghh
and itâs not until the 1960s and 70s that these notions start to actually be challenged. of course, trans people have always existed and were building their own communities and helping each other as well as they could, and magnus certainly was a part of that, because, well, thatâs who he is. he doesnât leave people in need and he knows how painful it is to go through all of this alone, so he does his best to help and adopts pretty much everyone he can. but for the most part, they are a diaspora, and the cissexist society that alienates and tries to kill them goes on unchallenged.
that gives him all the more reason to get so involved with stonewall and the subsequent building of the queer neighborhoods and communities, that feeling that maybe he can belong after all, that things might change and his life doesnât have to be an infinite cycle of violence, isolation, abuse, and repeat. seeing these events unfold, helping keep people safe, meeting Sylvia Rivera and all the other trans people of color who were part of this, who had stories so similar to his, who were also bisexual (!!), who knew what it was like. that was healing, and that was important to him, and gjfdkafaskfa yeah.
and of course not everything is a sea of roses, because then the community starts to divide and trans and bi ppl, particularly of color, particularly those who are like him, start to be looked down on. Sylvia is arrested and even booed at Pride, suddenly heâs drawing the short end of the stick again. and then thereâs the AIDS crisis, and he sees so many people die, and for a while, it feels like thereâs no way out after all. and he even loses a lot of his warlock friends, the people who really understand him in his entirety, because sometime around that thereâs the Circle massacre, as well. itâs a dark time for him, and honestly itâs a good thing heâs sworn off romance after the whole camille ordeal to clear his head, because after losing so many people heâs never felt this alienated, this alone, and to fall into the arms of another camille or asmodeus would have been just too easy.
but god, he heals. itâs crazy, but he has raphael, he has cat, ragnor, dot, elias, and he somehow builds himself up and relearns to trust and starts to believe that he has the love heâs always believed himself unworthy of having, that he believed impossible to him. and he starts to open up, and to feel more confident in his own skin, right in time to meet alec.
and look, trans!Magnus just makes malec all the more powerful. not only is this shadowhunter showing up and fully trusting a downworlder, giving him his strength, caring about him, cleaning his home (!) and taking care of him, something he hasnât allowed himself to have for so long, something he didnât believe he could have and that alec does so easily even when theyâve barely met. he shows magnus so much care and respect from day one and magnus doesnât get that from anyone, let alone a shadowhunter, let alone a shadowhunter thatâs there with jocelynâs entitled daughter who treats him as a tool - and look, i know he loves clary, but she is entitled and magnus unfortunately enables her and other entitled shadowhunters to treat him as such, because even he treats himself as such most of the time, and itâs something he needs to work on, and probably has been at least since he broke up with camille.
but heâs also a white, gay man, and magnus has seen firsthand that these people can be nasty to people like him. yes he tried to help alec come to terms with his sexuality, and yes heâs surprised him before, but itâs also not like alec didnât fuck up and wasnât entirely⌠well, shadowhunter-y and had a lot of trouble believing that things didnât have to be the shadowhunter, bigoted way for a while. but alec doesnât give a shit if magnus is trans, it doesnât lessen his attraction or love to him in any way, and itâs just. ugh. beautiful.
and yeah this has gotten too long and it already took me like 3 weeks to answer it because of the amount of research ive done and general tiredness so im gonna end this here, and on a positive note for a change! magnus is happy and learning to take care of himself and accepts himself and trans rights. hell yeah.
#it's FINALLY here god damn it i have answered this ask!!!!!!!! holy fuck#ask#cursedlightwood#necromimetics#i know who u are skyler pls#sh#shadowhunters#magnus bane#trans magnus bane#meta#magnus meta#sh meta#malec#overflowing trashcan
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You don't have to answer. Reading the responses to that reblog about ace struggles made me really sad. The way you talk about the ace thing in general makes me sad. And I really like you, actually. I know some in the ace community are homophobic fucks. And a lot of ppl in the gay community are transphobic. And a lot of trans people are biphobic. And a lot of bi people are sexist. Ad infinitum. This doesn't have to be the oppression olympics. Intersectionality is the only way out of this mess.
And itâs true. Ace people have not faced systemic oppression. Itâs hard to systemically oppress someone when you systemically refuse to acknowledge their existence. Is that as bad as being electrocuted? No. But is that the point here? Why say that? Why amplify that kind of divisive message? We just want to belong somewhere. You can believe this or not, but weâre dying here. The LGBT community has been the only safe place Iâve known my entire life. To figure out years later that I was labeling..
myself wrong? It was the most terrifying feeling Iâve ever experienced. It still is. Itâs like we donât exist. One person was shitting on people who say theyâre âgay aceâ. Why? Canât I still fall in love with women, despite not experiencing sexual attraction? Donât you think I would rather enjoy sex with my partner? Being able to give her what she needs? Not being left again and again? Loneliness is a very real pain. And gay ace people exist. I exist. And let me tell you, weâre lonely as fuck.
Straight people see us simply as gay, and treat us that way. So weâre getting electrocuted too. Sexual, gay people tell us weâre âcis/hetâ liars trying to steal their community. So we have no safe space. We canât find partners. Our friends, family, and fellow LGBT ppl donât understand us or even believe in our existence. We are constantly questioning out own existence. I donât mean to flood you. I realize thatâs what Iâm doing. But Iâve seen this kind of post coming from your direction a fewâŚ
times now. And I feel like maybe this will make you think a bit about what it might feel like to not ever experience the thing EVERYBODY is talking about. Building their lives around. To feel like your broken. Like youâre gonna die alone. Being constantly told youâre not real, your feelings arenât valid, your struggle is silly. Youâve got a lot of followers. And being ace has made me full on suicidal in the past. So just. Think about it. Gay ace is a real thing. Can you see how you might haveâŚ
privilege over a person like that? everyone in my life sees me as gay. I fall in love with women. and yet here we are. canât you see how I might want to be in your shoes? At least youâre real. At least you have a community. At least you have *some* representation that rings true to your experience. At least you could get a girlfriend that loves you and build a life without either getting dumped for not putting out or subjecting yourself to sex when your body doesnât want it.
Anyways. Iâm not writing this because I want you to answer anything. Iâm just hoping youâll read it and think about it a bit, maybe. If you have, thank you. I really like you Christine. Not trying to be a bitch. But I doubt Iâm the only one whose feelings get hurt when you amplify the âace people are cis/hets trying to crash the LGBT communityâ noise. - With love in my heart, from a long time follower.
okay, this is long but iâm going to try to keep my answers as succinct as possible. i donât know if this was your intention, but elements of this message feel vaguely guilt-tripping, despite the fact that none of what youâve mentioned here presents an argument i havenât already seen and strongly disagreed with.
â I know some in the ace community are homophobic fucks. a lot of ppl in the gay community are transphobic. And a lot of trans people are biphobic. And a lot of bi people are sexist [âŚ] This doesnât have to be the oppression olympics. â
two things: one, youâre referring to lateral aggression in every instance but the first. what i mean by lateral aggression is that it occurs between two peopleâwithin the same communityâwho experience oppression along different axes (e.g. a straight trans person and a cis gay person). in contrast, a cis straight ace man who engages in homophobia and/or transphobia is not âlaterally aggressingâ his victim, heâs oppressing them. the reason LGBT people have become so vocal against inclusion of cis straight aces is because their oppressors are now gaining entrance to their exclusive spaces, and speaking over them. and whereas a lesbian can voice her discomfort with this on tumblr, sheâs forced to stay silent at her local GSA for her own safety.
two, this isnât an issue of a âhandfulâ of violently homophobic people in the ace community. the founder of avenâdavid jayâwas a homophobic white cishet man, and the platform on which he built his activism was homophobic. moreover, oppression against (straight, cis) ace people is not enforceable, because who is and isnât ace depends entirely on the decision to identify as such! there are (as the ace community has been told many, many times) plenty of LGBT people (if not most) who have a complicated relationship with sex and sexual attraction due to abuse/assault, compulsive heterosexuality, dysmorphia, etc. none of these people can be considered âallosexual,â even if they (for perfectly valid reasons) decline to share this information publicly! these people deal with many of the same issues youâve mentioned here (e.g. choosing between getting dumped or engaging in sexual acts when they would rather not), although they would likely attribute this to homophobia, misogyny and rape culture, not aphobia.
also: the âoppression olympicsâ is nonsensical and offensive and i wish yâall would stop passing that term around. yes, the LGBT communityâs history is absolutely rooted in oppression of same-gender attracted and trans individuals! and yes, the community exists to actively oppose legislation that exists to oppress them, and to provide resources for those affected. the community was not founded in order to provide comfort to people who feel outcast from society for [x] reason. when you make this claim (or when you sarcastically liken the community to an exclusive âclubâ one gains entrance to by virtue of being oppressed) you miss the point entirely. itâs watering down the mission statement and end goal of this community, plain and simple.
âAnd itâs true. Ace people have not faced systemic oppression. Itâs hard to systemically oppress someone when you systemically refuse to acknowledge their existence.â
i find this argument (which is repeated often) to be ridiculous when the LGBT community has years of coherent history, and AVEN (and the popularization of identifying as asexual in the first place) has only gained prominence within the last decade or so. on top of that, as any oppressed individual will tell you, (and, again, something that has been repeated very often and rarely acknowledged) hypervisibility is dangerous to the oppressed! black and latinx trans women and gay men are the most endangered members of the LGBT community because it is impossible for them to âhideâ themselves.
this alone should make it clear to you that what the LGBT community want and what the ace community want are two very different thingsâso what exactly would their shared goal in activism be? what purpose would expanding the community to include straight cis aces serve other than comforting individuals who resent being excluded? LGBT people may share the ace communityâs desire for representation in media, but visibilityâwithin the context of their everyday livesâis exactly whatâs getting them killed. the pulse shooting is obviously the most recent example of this, but itâs one of many.
âOne person was shitting on people who say theyâre âgay aceâ. Why? Canât I still fall in love with women, despite not experiencing sexual attraction? Donât you think I would rather enjoy sex with my partner? Being able to give her what she needs? Not being left again and again? Loneliness is a very real pain. And gay ace people exist. I exist. And let me tell you, weâre lonely as fuck.â
youâre introducing a very different argument here, and one i obviously donât agree with. if youâre a gay ace, you belong in the LGBT community. iâm sorry youâve been told otherwise. but if this entire passage (and the several paragraphs following it) are meant to convince me of this, i donât know what to tell you? iâve said before thatâbased on my history and  relationship with sex and sexual attractionâi could easily identify as an ace lesbian. i donât, for some of the reasons listed above, and personal reasons of my ownâand i donât benefit from failing to identify as ace in any material way.
âAnd I feel like maybe this will make you think a bit about what it might feel like to not ever experience the thing EVERYBODY is talking about. Building their lives around. To feel like your broken. Like youâre gonna die alone. Being constantly told youâre not real, your feelings arenât valid, your struggle is silly.â
iâm genuinely sorry youâre feeling this way, but again, if you think this is an experience LGBT people (ace or otherwise) donât share, then iâm not the one turning a blind eye here.
âAt least youâre real. At least you have a community. At least you have *some* representation that rings true to your experience. At least you could get a girlfriend that loves you and build a life without either getting dumped for not putting out or subjecting yourself to sex when your body doesnât want it.â
you need to consider that you are making assumptions about what i want from a relationship based on the fact that i donât publicly identify as ace. this is another thing weâve been repeating constantly: you cannot do that, and therein lies one of the issues with asexuality as a framework for oppression. also, even on the off chance that i had a perfectly healthy relationship with and desire for sex (whichâas iâve saidâvery few people in the LGBT community do) none of us can just âget a girlfriend.â to suggest itâs more difficult for ace people is ridiculous when LGBT people have had to resort to dating apps and LGBT-exclusive spaces in order to find people to date in the first place. and before you say that similar spaces donât exist for aces: they need to be built, just like ours were. the onus is on adult aces, not âalloâ LGBT people. Â
and, again, what an ace person would potentially want from an ace-exclusive space is not what an LGBT person (provably, historically) would want from an LGBT-exclusive space. ace condemnation of sex and sexuality is valid at the individual level, but it can be suffocating (and, yesâoppressive) to LGBT people who have fought long and hard to take pride in their sexuality. telling LGBT people that their love and âPDAâ is âdirtyâ and âimpureâ is nothing new or progressive, itâs textbook homophobia, and those attitudes are damaging to us.
âAnyways. Iâm not writing this because I want you to answer anything. Iâm just hoping youâll read it and think about it a bit, maybe. If you have, thank you. I really like you Christine. Not trying to be a bitch. But I doubt Iâm the only one whose feelings get hurt when you amplify the âace people are cis/hets trying to crash the LGBT communityâ noise. - With love in my heart, from a long time follower.â
lookâŚi hate to tell you this because i donât think you mean any harm, and iâm not trying to attack youâbut, as i think i said earlier, none of the arguments youâve presented here are new to me. these are arguments that have been addressed and derailed by LGBT people (many of them ace themselves) multiple times, to no end. what youâve mentioned here highlights an important point, and thatâs âhurt feelings.â those are the stakes for straight cis acesâthose are not the stakes for LGBT people (and i include LGBT aces in this statement). but i havenât âlearnedâ anything from these messagesâiâve never plugged my ears and ignored the arguments of straight cis aces, iâve listened to them very carefully. and theyâve informed my opinion on this matterâan opinion that hasnât changed and will not change. if thatâs upsetting to you, you can unfollowâi wonât hold it against you!
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The Terrible Bargain We Have Regretfully Struck Posted by Melissa McEwan at Friday, August 14, 2009 Â [Trigger warning.]
Despite feminists' reputation, and contra my own individual reputation cultivated over five years of public opinion-making, I am not a man-hater.
If I played by misogynists' rules, specifically the one that dictates it only takes one woman doing one Mean or Duplicitous or Disrespectful or Unlawful or otherwise Bad Thing to justify hatred of all women, I would have plenty of justification for hating men, if I were inclined to do that sort of thing.
Most of my threatening hate mail comes from men. The most unrelentingly trouble-making trolls have always been men. I've been cat-called and cow-called from moving vehicles countless times, and subjected to other forms of street harassment, and sexually harassed at work, always by men. I have been sexually assaultedâif one includes rape, attempted rape, unsolicited touching of breasts, buttocks, and/or genitals, nonconsensual frottage on public transportation, and flashingâby dozens of people during my lifetime, some known to me, some strangers, all men.
But I don't hate men, because I play by different rules. In fact, there are men in this world whom I love quite a lot.
There are also individual men in this world I would say I probably hate, or something close, men who I hold in unfathomable contempt, but it is not because they are men.
No, I don't hate men.
It would, however, be fair to say that I don't easily trust them.
My mistrust is not, as one might expect, primarily a result of the violent acts done on my body, nor the vicious humiliations done to my dignity. It is, instead, born of the multitude of mundane betrayals that mark my every relationship with a manâthe casual rape joke, the use of a female slur, the careless demonization of the feminine in everyday conversation, the accusations of overreaction, the eyerolling and exasperated sighs in response to polite requests to please not use misogynist epithets in my presence or to please use non-gendered language ("humankind").
There are the insidious assumptions guiding our interactionsâthe supposition that I will regard being exceptionalized as a compliment ("you're not like those other women"), and the presumption that I am an ally against certain kinds of women. Surely, we're all in agreement that Britney Spears is a dirty slut who deserves nothing but a steady stream of misogynist vitriol whenever her name is mentioned, right? Always the subtle pressure to abandon my principles to trash this woman or that woman, as if I'll never twig to the reality that there's always a justification for unleashing the misogyny, for hating a woman in ways reserved only for women. I am exhorted to join in the cruel revelry, and when I refuse, suddenly the target is on my back. And so it goes.
There are the jokes about women, about wives, about mothers, about raising daughters, about female bosses. They are told in my presence by men who are meant to care about me, just to get a rise out of me, as though I am meant to find funny a reminder of my second-class status. I am meant to ignore that this is a bullying tactic, that the men telling these jokes derive their amusement specifically from knowing they upset me, piss me off, hurt me. They tell them and I can laugh, and they can thus feel superior, or I can not laugh, and they can thus feel superior. Heads they win, tails I lose. I am used as a prop in an ongoing game of patriarchal posturing, and then I am meant to believe it is true when some of the men who enjoy this sport, in which I am their pawn, tell me, "I love you." I love you, my daughter. I love you, my niece. I love you, my friend. I am meant to trust these words.
There are the occasions that menâintellectual men, clever men, engaged menâinsist on playing devil's advocate, desirous of a debate on some aspect of feminist theory or reproductive rights or some other subject generally filed under the heading: Women's Issues. These intellectual, clever, engaged men want to endlessly probe my argument for weaknesses, want to wrestle over details, want to argue just for funâand they wonder, these intellectual, clever, engaged men, why my voice keeps raising and why my face is flushed and why, after an hour of fighting my corner, hot tears burn the corners of my eyes. Why do you have to take this stuff so personally? ask the intellectual, clever, and engaged men, who have never considered that the content of the abstract exercise that's so much fun for them is the stuff of my life.
There is the perplexity at my fury that my life experience is not considered more relevant than the opinionated pronouncements of men who make a pastime of informal observation, like womanhood is an exotic locale which provides magnificent fodder for the amateur ethnographer. And there is the haughty dismissal of my assertion that being on the outside looking in doesn't make one more objective; it merely provides a different perspective.
There are the persistent, tiresome pronouncements of similitude between men's and women's experiences, the belligerent insistence that handsome men are objectified by women, too! that women pinch men's butts sometimes, too! that men are expected to look a certain way at work, too! that women rape, too! and other equivalencies that conveniently and stupidly ignore institutional inequities that mean X rarely equals Y. And there are the long-suffering groans that meet any attempt to contextualize sexism and refute the idea that such indignities, though grim they all may be, are not necessarily equally oppressive.
There are the stereotypesâoh, the abundant stereotypes!âabout women, not me, of course, but other women, those women with their bad driving and their relentless shopping habits and their PMS and their disgusting vanity and their inability to stop talking and their disinterest in Important Things and their trying to trap men and their getting pregnant on purpose and their false rape accusations and their being bitches sluts whores cunts⌠And I am expected to nod in agreement, and I am nudged and admonished to agree. I am expected to say these things are not true of me, but are true of women (am I seceding from the union?); I am expected to put my stamp of token approval on the stereotypes. Yes, it's true. Between you and me, it's all true. That's what is wanted from me. Abdication of my principles and pride, in service to a patriarchal system that will only use my collusion to further subjugate me. This is a thing that is asked of me by men who purport to care for me.
There is the unwillingness to listen, a ferociously stubborn not getting it on so many things, so many important things. And the obdurate refusal to believe, to internalize, that my outrage is not manufactured and my injure not make-believeâan inflexible rejection of the possibility that my pain is authentic, in favor of the consolatory belief that I am angry because I'm a feminist (rather than the truth: that I'm a feminist because I'm angry).
And there is the denial about engaging in misogyny, even when it's evident, even when it's pointed out gently, softly, indulgently, carefully, with goodwill and the presumption that it was not intentional. There is the firm, fixed, unyielding denialâbecause it is better and easier to imply that I'm stupid or crazy, that I have imagined being insulted by someone about whom I care (just for the fun of it!), than it is to just admit a bloody mistake. Rather I am implied to be a hysteric than to say, simply, I'm sorry.
Not every man does all of these things, or even most of them, and certainly not all the time. But it only takes one, randomly and occasionally, exploding in a shower of cartoon stars like an unexpected punch in the nose, to send me staggering sideways, wondering what just happened.
Well. I certainly didn't see that comingâŚ
These things, they are not the habits of deliberately, connivingly cruel men. They are, in fact, the habits of the men in this world I love quite a lot.
All of whom have given me reason to mistrust them, to use my distrust as a self-protection mechanism, as an essential tool to get through every day, because I never know when I might next get knocked off-kilter with something that puts me in the position, once again, of choosing between my dignity and the serenity of our relationship.
Swallow shit, or ruin the entire afternoon?
It can come out of nowhere, and usually does. Which leaves me mistrustful by both necessity and design. Not fearful; just resignedâand on my guard. More vulnerability than that allows for the possibility of wounds that do not heal. Wounds to our relationship, the sort of irreparable damage that leaves one unable to look in the eye someone that you loved once upon a time.
This, then, is the terrible bargain we have regretfully struck: Men are allowed the easy comfort of their unexamined privilege, but my regard will always be shot through with a steely, anxious bolt of caution.
A shitty bargain all around, really. But there it is.
There are men who will read this post and think, huffily, dismissively, that a person of color could write a post very much like this one about white people, about me. That's absolutely right. So could a lesbian, a gay man, a bisexual, an asexual. So could a trans or intersex person (which hardly makes a comprehensive list). I'm okay with that. I don't feel hated. I feel mistrustedâand I understand it; I respect it. It means, for me, I must be vigilant, must make myself trustworthy. Every day.
I hope those men will hear me when I say, again, I do not hate you. I mistrust you. You can tell yourselves that's a problem with me, some inherent flaw, some evidence that I am fucked up and broken and weird; you can choose to believe that the women in your lives are nothing like me.
Or you can be vigilant, can make yourselves trustworthy. Every day.
Just in case they're more like me than you think.
...As I lie awake at night wondering what happened to the light hearted, easy going, flirty girl I once was, I read this and understand. I am angry and also saddened. Trust is important in order to live a complete life. To feel that trust from people you love, and depend on, makes life a secure and happy place. No trust, no security, erodes your very being. Soon, you become someone who you barely recognize. Someone who questions everything. One who decides to do nothing. Who is scared and just plain tired of fighting so hard for respect and dignity.Who trust no one.
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