#and this way Dan can’t leave him bc he’s pregnant

[eldritch-bf]

It was actually extremely fucked up of Herbert to immediately call Dan “Danny” after hearing Megan use it in an attempt to emotionally sway him. Such a transparent imitation of intimacy. And yet Dan still sides with him. So who’s to say.

[phoebehalliwell]

on the subject of crackships.

in a prue lives, phoebeleo piperkyle pruecole paigeandy au (in which paige meets them in s1) how do u see it playing out and ALSO. do u see them all having kids still. this is so random i am so sorry (also i don't mean they have to be set from the get go and never get w anyone else but these would hypothetically be endgame)

i mean with phoebeleo like hard yes like in s2 when they're watching the baby at the end everyone's like phoebe ik you're gonna be a great mom you're gonna have like a million and one kids like mark my words and phoebe's real smitten about it like wow u really think you : ) i'd like to. guess i should probably find a guy first tho huh. but if that guy's already there bc it's leo and he's been here since season one i think they are easily first to have kids and first to get a full power of three the other three is definitely like another can of worms bc like.

okay so for paigeandy obvi we're starting andy's an old childhood friend of the halliwell's for the sake of cleanliness did not date any of them (if we're going messy tho dated prue hooked up once or twice with phoebe (not while dating prue, but neither of them ever mentioned it around prue bc well. yikes.) And piper had a major crush on andy for like. a decade. from ages 13 to 23) and he's a cop and does. stuff idk helps people and this lands him frequently in bed with social services which is. consistently. a pain in the ass. and he doesn't try to hold it against them bc they're clearly understaffed underpaid there's a lot to do but um jesus. and everyone in the precinct Hates having to go over there to do stuff bc you're just standing in the lobby drinking bad coffee for fifty minutes before you can even get a word in with the work and unlucky andy he drew the short straw ends up at social services and who should he meet there if not this gorgeous but really scatterbrained berkeley grad with a mouth like a sailor and a heart of gold and now um there's no need to draw straws at the station because andy straight up volunteers to go to social services just to see paige which she notices of course because like. were you jinxed or something? cursed? i've never known someone to draw the short straw so many times. and andy's like no i just um. like being hands on with my work i don't like leaving up to some dumb rookie with bad luck and paige is like oh don't worry i promise it is still being left to some dumb rookie with bad luck i mean i am right here blah blah blah banter conversation hint at a tragic backstory give it half a season and then it's official bf/gf shit and as far as charmed goes it's a prophecy about four sisters and the halliwells are like phew. dodged a bullet there lmao. until they do something only charmed ones could do and they're like Wait. Fuck. Is There A Fourth Sister Out There? so they find paige within the first hmm ten episodes or so.

so since we have both s1 phoebeleo and paigeandy i'd say they'd be on the fastest track but i feel like paige does have a lot more issues when it comes to getting married and having kids than phoebe does regardless i think by s4 they're married on track to have kids with pruecole we're doing the s3 introduction and the enemies to lovers arc we seal that with either a wedding at the very end of s4 or at the very beginning of s5 however kids is like. like they both want kids but prue has daddy issues and cole has mommy issues not to mention the charmed one/demon hybrid so they need to do some soul searching on that one. prue's probably pregnant by the end of s5 and has her baby halfway thru s6. paige may or may not have had kids at this point if they did they were kind of a whoopsies baby but she and andy r embracing it with open arms.

piperkyle imo is peak in a divorce/widower era it's been pitched like piperkyle au where he's not fucking insane piperkyle au where she's not brokenhearted piperkyle au where they're both normal happy people who then meet but like. nah. the appeal of them to me really is being the broken fucked up human being and feeling like you're kinda just gonna stay broken and fucked up bc you had your shot and you blew it so now you're here get used to it and then to have someone to meet someone who sees you so genuinely as you are that at first it's disgusting leave me alone i hate you but out of that just honest sight grows familiarity and comfort and before you even realized it happened love and jfc i'm in love with them???? but you realize that you're always happier when they're around you want to stay by their side and you don't even have to wonder if they feel the same because you just know they do because you Know each other and you don't have to wait for them to turn and run once they see who you really are because they know who you are they've known from the start saw the ugly the broken and vile and looked past that and saw the beauty and genuine love underneath like 🗣‼🗣‼🗣‼🗣‼. piperkyle consistently makes me insane. So. in order to hit this. we're bringing in dan. that's right, from season two to six (maybe just five but i'd like to have the pruecole arc wrapped up in a nice bow by the time we open up the next enemies to lovers) piper and dan give a relationship the old college try going from the honeymoon phase to the cringe failmarriage stage until it's eventually just time to call it quits like you literally can't move forward. so because of the delayed start piperkyle would def be the last to have kids but because this is a long slowburn full of character development and just like. vulnerable bonding moments i think that once they go official as a couple wedding and kids are not far off on the horizon i think if we close out a season (a hypothetical 9 or 10) with them getting together for the first time then we gotta burn some miles on the freak out denial stage because i always think that's funny that'll last half a season? maybe a third. and then by the end of the season we're looking at a wedding. by the end of the following season they def have a kid

superlatives!

most fashionable couple: pruecole

most likely to name their kids after dead relatives: piperkyle

most likely to break p tradition: paigeandy

most chill about dating a charmed one: phoebeleo (andy kyle & cole would all be way too willing to throw themselves into danger, leo trusts phoebe's foresight and knows when he needs to sit on the sidelines. it is a lesson all the other men still struggle with)

bonus round!

best bromance: 1st place: leoandy 2nd place: leocole 3rd place: colekyle

[mrs-nate-humphrey]

Hi I just had a great idea:

What if instead of taking chip wiskers on a Sail-Around-the-World, Get-Over-Blair summer adventure (bc chip can get rekt!) Nate takes Dan instead??? and they fuck and fall in love of course

here you go, jess! your wish is my command & all that. maybe i'll make this into a proper fic when i don't feel like a zombie with a running nose.

vanessa breaks up w/ dan before she leaves for haiti. dan is taking it pretty badly, nate thinks dan must be torn up about it/ missing her / heartbroken etc etc.

blair's got her own clusterfuck of chip stuff to handle (clusterchuck?) and serena's helping with that, jenny's got her own stuff to handle, etc etc, so dan's entire support system boils down to just nate, naturally

nate's like "oh yeah i can handle this i too was once heartbroken over vanessa"

but then dan sort of gets very drunk and talks about how if the one person who's loved him longest and loved him best and known him better than anyone else couldn't stand him what does that say about him, dan? is he just that unlovable? and nate's heart hurts

nate tries for sage advice such as "sometimes being best friends doesn't translate to being romantically compatible, man. i know she loved you, but her not being in love with you doesn't say anything about you" but it slides off dan like water off a duck's back

so nate decides to take dan on a vacation. take his mind off stuff.

dan thinks it'll be lowkey so he agrees.

it is............not lowkey.

they sail for a bit and dan hates it, hates the feeling of being at sea, doesn't feel comfortable on a rickety sailboat, etc etc, but dan loves seeing how at ease nate is - and that's enough for dan to put his anxiety away for a bit

(sorry, i just have a big headcanon of dan being terrified of like. sailboats or cruise ships or whatever. seeing all that ocean all around him and knowing he can't leave freaks him out imo.)

one week in nate realises that dan is essentially putting up a brave front & then there are a few airline tickets and a lot of backpacking

"didn't know i was honeymooning with serena," dan says, and nate smacks his arm and gives him a look

dan doesn't understand foreign currency and nate's terrifyingly good at conversion rates. nate's also better at picking up snippets of the local language, wherever they are, while dan just. blinks and opens his tourist guidebook and stumbles through the "do you speak english?" phrases every single time

(dan thinks it's hot. that nate knows all this. that nate is just Wired in a way that makes him so good at adapting/navigating all this.)

( nate thinks dan's adorable. when he scowls at the maps and loiters in souvenir shops and blinks dazedly when people talk to him in a language he doesn't understand, looking at nate wide-eyed in a silent plea for help. it cracks nate up, but it also makes him want to hold dan in his arms and kiss the top of his head. whoops.)

anyway! back to plot.

they hang out in cheap hotels or service apartments and dan begins to teach nate how to cook and they fly kites in meadows and go on treks and it's such an absorbing experience

they spend anywhere between 3- 9 days in one location before moving

every single day is so Full and Whole it feels like a whole week of events. but it's just one fulfilling day

then one day they're snowed in somewhere on the mountains

and both of them have... a really good time. and dan has this lightbulb moment of... oh. it's not Abroad that's bringing meaning to my life, it's not these activities or the change of pace or anything else. it's nate. it's being able to be with nate like this

nate, naturally, is having the same sort of revelation

dan wants to act on it but he's scared to blow what is the best friendship in his life at this time, and he knows natie is coming off a heartbreak w/ serena and he doesn't want to be a rebound

but nate is the one to initiate it, touching dan's chin with gentle fingers and going, "hey, we can ignore this and never talk about this again if you’d prefer that but i really want to kiss you"

so of course, they kiss

they kiss, and then they almost do the deed too but then they both stop, because dan's like "wait you're my best friend i can't risk you Not being my best friend tomorrow when it's over"

they talk about it in an emotionally mature way & talk about their exes + their expectations of being in a relationship & just "you're my best friend but it's become so much more than that lately"

they don't fuck but they go to bed holding each other, as boyfriends

when the summer ends, they both return to NY a lot more tanned, with a lot more souvenirs, and more genuine smiles

chuck gets pissy with nate about taking "humdrum humphrey on a honeymoon" and nate hits him in the face (im sorry, i love the chuck/nate/dan love triangle too much, i have no excuse)

nate moves in with dan, vanessa shows up to visit and check in on dan and they have a heart-to-heart (turns out after her internship in hiati, v popped over to california because ruby's band was on tour there, etc, and vanessa bumped into olivia of all people, and. apparently they're dating now and she wants dan to hear it from her, directly, and she hopes he's okay with that - with his ex gfs dating each other - and dan's like 'yeah as long as you're happy. speaking of finding your exes in a gay relationship, uh, me and nate....' & of course, v is extremely thrilled by this update)

blairena fucked in paris and will continue to fuck on return to NY but there's definitely a lot of angst because blair expects serena to dump her for one of the boys and serena thinks blair doesn't like her / is pushing her towards the boys because "what happens in paris stays in paris" but they're both definitely in love. and they miscommunicate BUT they work it out. classic fanfic stuff.

and. three days before college begins there's a knock on the door of the loft and when nate opens the door, he's greeted by a heavily pregnant georgina.

"what the fuck are you doing here?" / "i could ask you the same question. and don't cuss around the unborn baby, archibald." / "...."

dan, of course, walks in now, and he's like, "there's no such thing as an unborn baby, if you mean fetus, you should say that, because -"

and then he looks at who's at the door and he's like. "uh. georgie. long time no see, what?"

georgie grins like satan. "he's yours"

"yeah, nate is my boyfriend," dan says distractedly, and then blinks, stares at georgina, and at nate, and back at georgina again. "do you - do you mean, the kid?"

/end

[likesomekindofcheese]

Alrighty! How's about... Reader is Catherine's sister and was sent with her to the Russian court to keep her company. The moment he first sees her, Grigor is smitten and determined to do things the right way. He keeps her company when Catherine is busy, shows interest in what she thinks and helps her practice Russian. He even formally asks Catherine permission to court her sister before making actual advances.

Awwww, that’s so cute! I love that idea!!! I can’t tell you how much I love writing for The Great!!

Stepping out of the carriage, your heart hitches a little faster at the sight. It was far more massive than your home in Austria had been.

Your sister was there. Her blonde hair was gleaming in the sunlight and her smile radiant as spring.

“Oh, Y/N! Y/N!” she cheered.

Stepping out, you dipped into a curtsy.

“Your majesty…” you said, knowing it was courtesy when approaching the Empress of Russia.

“Oh- damn all that! Y/N-I’m so glad to see you!” she said, wrapping you into a hug.

Servants and courtiers stared at you both with wide eyes at your informality. But you could feel that there was a joy in Catherine that could not be contained.

Quick, let’s get your things in. I have to show you to your rooms. Oh god, in between all of my meetings, we’re going to spend a lot of time together!”

There was one servant who had trouble and you offered to carry that bag for them. It was incredible in court.

You knew you had to go. Poor Catherine. She was so excited, bursting at the seams for her marriage to take place. But her letters reported otherwise. It tore you apart to read about the reality of her husband and of the court culture, so you bravely offered to go there to be by her side. You didn’t care much if it was dishonorable. You didn’t care what would happen. You only wanted your sweet, clever, brilliant, and beloved sister to write a letter that was not stained with her tears.

As you made your way down a wooden hall, you noticed in the distance there were two men who were, of all things, playing tennis against the wall. Scoffing in slight laughter, you kept of the pace. But the weight of your bag was starting to win over your arms.

Suddenly a tennis ball shot by, right before your feet. With a shriek, you dropped your luggage and out tumbled a few of your clothes.

“Oh shit-let me help!” he cried.

“Thank you!”

Looking up, you recognized it was one of the men who was playing tennis. You froze with embarrassment and he froze as well. You both looked at each other.

“I…don’t fold them up, just put them in…” you insisted.

He fumbled as he got the things in and you prayed he didn’t think too hard about seeing stockings and petticoats. And looking up, you saw he was a handsome man and began to curse silently.

“I…I’m Y/N, Catherine’s sister…”

“Grigor. Ah, no need to use my last name. This isn’t a formal place. Just call me Grigor. If you need any help with anything, Y/N…just go ahead and ask!”

Another voice called out to Grigor.

“Don’t just stand there fucking wanking yourself over some strange woman’s petticoats. Save it for an hour from now-we got a game to play!” he chastised.

You froze and dipped down your head into a curtsy.

“Your majesty, it is an honor. I am so glad you allowed me to…”

Looking back up he was back into his game of hitting his tennis balls as hard as he could on the walls. With a heavy bag, you scurried to your quarters. Though before you turned the corner, you indulged a look back at Grigor. He glanced back at you and smiled. The cogs in his head were turning despite the soreness of his thighs and the sweat on his brow. This time would be better. This time it would be better.

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“Da…” he began.

“Da….” You repeated, hands folded over the table.

“Nyet…”

“Nyet…”

“Very good- Dasvodanya…that means goodbye,” Grigor explained.

“Das…vo…dan…ya…” you parroted slowly, feeling the word come togehter

“There, Y/N. Little steps. That’s all!” he encouraged with a shrug.

“I was nervous. It’s hard to learn from books.” You admitted, staring down at your hands. Being alone with him made yourself feel so self-conscous that every move you made you felt you would explode. Your heart was pattering and you indulged in glances up at Grigor to admire him. And always with a smile.

“We barely speak any Russian here. Our Emperor doesn’t even speak the language at all! You’ve heard him-he’s speaking the very language you and I are speaking!” he said.

You laughed. “Well, that relived one fear of coming here…”

“Y/N, I do hope you like this place…”

“I…I like it a lot…”

“And the people here aren’t too…too wild, for your tastes…”

With a twinkle in your eye, you added “not all of them…”

There was a cough in the back and you turned with a jump.

“Oh, Catherine! I’m surprised! I wasn’t expecting you for another hour!”

“It’s alright…I just, wanted to borrow some books. Is the Russian lesson going alright, Grigor.”

“Smoothingly. She’s a good student.”

“Good. Y/N…there’s a dress party and Lady Svenska said you are most welcome. You can get whatever you’d like. I’ll pay for it…”

“Oh-all those lovely gowns!? Catherine, I couldn’t-“

“Why-my treat! It’s what you deserve! All that is good and only the best of the best…” She said, though she turned her head to Grigor with a slight frown.

“You’re the kindest, most generous person I know-thank you!” you said before walking off. But as you ate macaroons and picked what decadent gowns you would like to have for yourself, little did you know it was a timely distraction.

Grigor and the Empress looked at each other.

“Empress, I know why you’re really here…”

“She lost her family and was taken in by mine. She may not be my sister by blood, but she is in soul and spirit.”

“Which is why I have great respect for her. Empress…I’d like to…to court her.”

“Court her!? I wasn’t expecting that”

“What were you expecting?”

“To ask if you could stuff your cock into her arse. To leave her in the dust with a pregnant belly and a broken heart!”

“I…wha…no! Please, no-let me…let me court her. I think…I think she may like me back.”

“Your last heartbreak…it ended tragically but…Georgiana won’t be brought into this? Are you ready to move on?”

With a sigh at her name, he nodded, “yes….I promise I will do nothing without your sister's consent. I’ll…I’ll love her. And she is not a child, but she will be safe with me…”

“Grigor, if you lead her into a fool’s paradise, I’ll cut out your testicles.”

He cringed at the thought and turned white, and then he shook his head.

“Then I better lead her to a lover’s paradise, then…”

He rushed out. Catherine secretly following behind. Out of the corner of her eye, she saw him with Y/N as he led her out the door. He whispered a few words into her ear and she smiled. She then reached up and kissed his cheek. Sweetly. Tenderly. And he smiled in a way he had not for a long time. And so did Catherine.

  The Great Taglist: @always-a-fairycat @itsametaphorgwil @ewannmcgregor @queenlover05 (will be edited bc I’m tired and just want to share this and get it out ngl) @sugahunnynoicetea @iwritefanficnotprophecies @raerae27 @vintage-and-hypnotic @xviiarez @fueled-by-novocaine @sebxstiianstxn @coincidence-ithinknots-blog @isitstraightvodka @bens-jawline @gwiilymslee @yourlocalmusicalprostitute @rhapsodyrecs

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[gilmoregirlsbigbrother]

EPISODE #2

After Isaac is evicted, will Ricky reach his boiling point? Andrew takes stock of who he has in the game and attempts to make a giant move to shake up the house. Will his efforts be in vein, find out now on Gilmore Girls Big Brother!

Nick

https://youtu.be/pwkuCeiYJTY

Andrew

so the way to talk to randy ive found out it just to feed into his trolly conversation and really talk about nothing of substance and then ig he'll like u idk

how my relationships are going:

Sammy - closest ally right now. I want to convince him it’s just him and I against the world, maybe just with some help from Ricky/Karen/drew. He didn’t like the first eviction and I wanna capitalize on that Ricky - close but we haven’t talked much. Know he can be a number for me Karen - same as Ricky but I trust her slightly less bc she’s a WOMAN Drew - trust for now, I think he would hopefully have my best interests in my pre jury Clash - really trying to make him comfy with me so I can manipulate his 16 y/o brain to do whatever I want with very subtle tactics. I wanna show I support him but still sway him Randy - trying to keep him on my good side cuz I know he can win comps Dan - we haven’t talked a ton but I think we’re close enuff atm. He said he wants to work with me closely Adrian - I really like Adrian? Hopefully a new pal outside of this? He can be useful but idk how to manipulate him yet Dani - dunno yet. She’s cool enough but idk if she would actually work with me Madison - don’t trust.. she doesn’t seem to show any interest in a game relationship so yikes Bobby - need to talk to more. Kinda same as Dani Liana - I trust her enough for now but know she can be a cutthroat crackhead. Keeping at an arms length Chelsea - she’s really cool and I just wanna keep building a relationship with her. Trying to work off of our mutual friendship with billy tbh JG - idk how I feel yet. I can’t get a read on him at all which is worrisome but I like him personally obvi Nick - WAY too hard to read and can be difficult to talk to but in case he wins comps I wanna be on his side so he doesn’t nominate me

Randy

https://youtu.be/OKd1W1EdwlA

Ricky comes into the Diary Room after days of being on the fence about quitting. He asks to be removed.

Ricky

i think i’m done

Andrew

so I am home. Ricky quit for reasons I guess. Drew and I are trying to figure out what to really do? We like Karen and idk who she’d go with. Clash wants to work with drew and i. According to drew... Madison Bobby and nick are gonna be a thing which I hate bc all three of them are kinda hard to talk to and I can see them putting me up. He also said that sammy and Chelsea would be a thing tho but I like them so those are some potential prospects. I just have to hope that someone that likes me wins this hoh..

Nick

So day 1 in this game I was added to an alliance with Madison and Randy... and during the first hoh I shot randy through random.org and he found out! He took it as me trying to go against him when it was actually just a random.org. The alliance dies down and recently I find out that randy is still mad I ruined his shot at hoh so he made a whole new alliance the next day with like 6 people. Lucky for me I have good connections and someone leaked it to me so new I’m dead set that randy is either a shady bitch or he’s against me. And on a side note Clash and JG r in multiple alliances (or will be) and that is something I need to keep in mind.

 Head of Household is over, and Liana wins by a landslide. As alliances shift, she nominates Adrian and Karen. Alliances start to crumble, while Madison and Randy jump from alliance to alliance. Sammy and JG feed into a lie that Randy told, and Andrew worries.

Bobby

Having Liana as HoH is something I’m not the most comfortable with but not scared. I’m hoping that I can skate by this week but after her picking me for dinner I know I’m on her radar, especially with me having the potential of having gotten a power

Madison

i reckon i might just touch the block this week and if by the grace of the BB gods i do, then let's go bitches because I came to compete and I came to win

Adrian

Liana winning an HOH where I had literally no time to participate in is a tricky situation. I have not spoken a word to her since the first few days... she was inactive. Now she went from the block to winning.... so I need to step up my social game because I'm really not wanting to be the 2nd evicted person. Not when I finally am getting my bearings with another BB game. So I'm ready to kiss ass and just start offering her some good deals.

I PRAY that this week will leave with me not touching the block at all. I know that I was one of the people to start the charge to evict Isaac, thus resulting in keeping Liana in the house- allowing her to be the HoH this week. If people aren't gonna tell her that Andrew was the vote to evict her... I will. I will do anything and everything in my power to make sure I am nomination free until the start of the jury. I will make good on that! Trust and believe!

Chelsea

Okay Queen Liana coming out of the dark to squash everyone in the scavenged hunt. She did THAT. Tbh Im happy for her.

Nick

I think liana will keep me safe but overall it’s a hard week to understand what’s going on because she hasn’t really said anything to me about who’s going up

Dan

I literally love Liana so this is perfect. I was busy this weekend but I also didn’t want to win this one tbh. It’s important for me this game to lay low and just keep chatting with people. I feel like I’m 10000000% safe this week so I’m just gonna keep skating by (:

Madison

I kinda wish I was nommed just because....I'm bored now

Andrew

I’m pretty sure I’ve had this exact exchange more than once on grindr

After Adrian wins the veto, Madison is nominated. While everyone is under the impression Karen is leaving, Andrew has other plans.

Dan

so I’m aligned closely with liana, which is really nice because I feel like we get along really well, but sis doesn’t listen??? Takes Bobby to dinner??? Goodbye. I don’t love that Madison is on the block bc Bobby is sitting right there and is by far a bigger threat than Madison. I just hope that Karen doesn’t pull out the stops and stay because I just don’t really want to play another game with her

JG

so not too much has happened since the last eviction. I was added to an alliance called Trinity and we're not gonna talk about why it's called that ... It has myself, Nick, Drew, and Clash. So right now I'm pretty insulated the crazyness of Clash is the only thing of concern of to me and the true loyalty of Adrian//Randy.

Despite the Weiner Hard alliance wanting one of us to win HoH I didn't think it was best for my game so I actually had something in real life come up which could excuse me from the comp. Liana won which was ok for me because we had some really good conversations, I knew I'd be fine not sure about my allies. Seeing Adrian and Karen get nommed was a little bit of a shock ... So when veto came and I was drawn I knew had to fight for that to save Adrian... I flopped like a pancake but at least Adrian won and saved himself. Madison got renommed which was shitty but against Karen we should have the votes easily...

As the early game progresses I'm confident in my position in the game but I'm nervous about long term, I don't know who actually has my back and who doesn't , I'm very weary of some of my closest allies.

Andrew

I’m putting my cards out on the table as to why the Brick Wall (madison, nick, Bobby, JG, Dani) needs to take a hit to Dan bc literally there’s prob not any other groups combatting them rn but dan might just rat on me. But at this point, how much do I care? We presumably have me drew and clash and I’m tryna sway sammy and dan. And we’d need one more. And I think Liana would save Karen. Easy enough right?

(a short while and a line of coke later)

I just had to turn on crackheadrew but I think/hope we got myself, clash, drew, dan, Dani, Sammy, and possibly Chelsea to keep Karen? Unless everyone’s lying. Also Adrian is a skank ass clown and I find it funny how he got a rash from dog hair when I didn’t know that rats could be allergic to other animals? Jk he’s a cool guy but damn like be less transparent when you’re lyin to me sis. Now I just have to play up to him that we’re gonna vote out Madison and pin it on dan and drew. Do I tell them he said that? Idk. But either way, I hope all the work I just put into this shit pays off and we take down the bricks. Also Dani I think is not a part of that. My apologies Dani if that’s tru. It’s Madison nick bobby randy JG. Ugly ugly ugly ugly ugly.

Drew

the plan is to be just barely known enough to survive and then we'll reassess in like three rounds when i start wanting to win challenges

Madison

I'm done for, I should've told her I was pregnant

[oadara]

my point about lyanna is that we don't know. maybe she was manipulated. we have no idea. concretely blaming her is unlike blaming dany for her white saviorism in slaver's bay. lyyanna was selfish but to act like she was definitely not caring for her fam based on circumstantial evidence, because that's what the evidence is, is wild when y'all excuse dany for things we see her do because her motives are good lmao I can't. blame Rhaegar all you want. he deserves it.

mentioning that we don’t have lyanna’s pov or that what we have is circumstantial evidence on what/when lyanna knew is excuses? I wonder what the yt people dany defense essays of her actions in slavers bay are. I was softening towards dany and her yt savior nonsense that got brown people killed bc of her mismanagement and had slaves sell themselves back into slavery. but if we’re taking an hardline position, then wonder what a defense of dany/slavers bay (book) is but an excuse of the outcome

Anon,

These are two separate asks but I because clearly you are the same anon and by the way you write I’m pretty sure I know who you are. Why don’t we get a few things straight and then you can leave my mailbox alone for all eternity

I see that you mentioned the books, which is fantastic because I can finally set you straight on your delusion that the Slaver’s Bay was only populated by people of color, which is untrue, it was mixed race. Slaves from the Free Cities, Qarth Lhazareen, Dothraki, etc. populated Slaver’s Bay. 

Here, why don’t you read this, it’s straight from the horse’s (GRRM’s) mouth:

“And meanwhile, you’ve got Daenerys visiting more Eurasian and Middle Eastern cultures.

And that has generated its controversy too. I answer that one to in my blog. I know some of the people who are coming at this from a political or racial angle just seem to completely disregard the logistics of the thing here. I talk about what’s in the books. The books are what I write. What I’m responsible for.

Slavery in the ancient world, and slavery in the medieval world, was not race-based. You could lose a war if you were a Spartan, and if you lost a war you could end up a slave in Athens, or vice versa. You could get in debt, and wind up a slave. And that’s what I tried to depict, in my books, that kind of slavery.

So the people that Dany frees in the slaver cities are of many different ethnicities, and that’s been fairly explicit in the books. But of course when David [Benioff] and Dan [Weiss] and his crew are filming that scene [of Daenerys being carried by freed slaves], they are filming it in Morocco, and they put out a call for 800 extras. That’s a lot of extras. They hired the people who turned up. Extras don’t get paid very much. I did an extra gig once, and got like $40 a day.”

Finally, I can get that off my chest. Now, let’s address your other points, that I give Dany a pass because but won’t give Lyanna a pass because of her you. Let me say this for what it feels like the one thousandth time, Daenerys Targaryen has made many mistakes. This has never been a problem for me, it’s one of the reasons I love her so much. 

Having said that, I have a hard time equating Dany’s mistakes with Lyanna’s mistakes. If you look at their upbringing, the education, the values they were thought, and the impetus behind their actions you see why this comparison falls short. So let’s look at the background for both Lyanna and Dany to see where these two young women are coming from. 

Lyanna as the Lord Paramount’s daughter would have had an excellent education, training as a lady, as well as a very stable upbringing. She was clearly allowed to indulge in the things she liked, such as riding and learning how to fight. Her father might not have approved of the fighting but he wasn’t against it enough to stop her from doing it. I think it’s safe to say that there was very little that Lyanna would have gone without while growing up at Winterfell. 

We should all know Dany’s story by now but I’ll repeat for the benefit of those who constantly seem to forget it. A few days after she was born she had to be rescued because the new king of Westeros had sent his brother to her home in Dragonstone to assassinate her and her brother. They ended up in Braavos and for about four year’s she had a good life but then her care taker died and she and her brother were thrown out into the streets. They lived in the streets and on the kindness of strangers for the next nine years. Dany remembers sailing on ships at least 50 times in this time period, so there was a lot of moving around. She lived in nine of the Free Cities and can remember times when buying a sausage was a luxury. Throughout all this, she lived in fear because her brother believed that king Robert was sending assassins after them.  Her training and education were handled exclusively by her brother and whatever she thought herself through books she would read while staying with some rich benefactor who would take them in for a few months. Whatever sense of right and wrong she learned she did so on her own because clearly, Viserys had a very skewed view on those. 

Before we continue we should note that there is an age difference between the two, at this point in the series (the end of ADWD) Dany has just turned 16 year’s old and Lyanna, who died at 16, died close to her 17th birthday. But if we want to find a point of comparison, Lyanna was running away with Rhaegar around the same time Dany was conquering Slaver’s Bay. So, let’s look at these two events to see the difference in their actions.

Let’s start with Lyanna. We all know the general story and we are going to assume, given some information we have, that Lyanna ran away willingly with Rhaegar.  She could have done it for a variety of reasons but whatever the reason it falls into one of three categories, she was in love with Rhaegar and wanted to be with him, she bought into the prophecy of TPTWP and thought she would save the world by doing whatever she needed to do to make that happen, or she was so against her upcoming wedding with Robert that she would rather run away. I know there is another theory of maybe Aerys finding out her identity and going after her, but that’s when you run home to Winterfell and have your dad and your betrothed sort that out. 

Looking at Lyanna’s background and support system and what we are told about her she was a very strong-willed and clever girl. Even taking into account her being in love, or believing in a prophecy or not wanting to get married to Robert, I can’t imagine that the ramifications of her actions never crossed her mind. She was raised a noblewoman, she was around nobles her whole life, the actions that she decided to embark upon would have been considered disastrous by any standard. And if she was taking a calculated risk for say the good of the world, she must have known that her family was not just going to sit at Winterfell and do nothing. 

I do take into consideration Lyanna’s age and that a person her age is also highly impulsive, but that still doesn’t absolve her of culpability. She is still responsible for her actions whether they were impulsive or not. In addition to all this is the amount of time she was gone, she didn’t get pregnant right away, at least 4 months had gone by before that happened. And of course I put most of the blame of Rhaegar, he was the adult in that situation, he had a wife and children, a father who he knew was mad, and it was his decision to run away with a young, unmarried girl, who happens to be the daughter of a Lord Paramount and she’s also engaged to another noble. Rhaegar being mainly responsible for what happens still doesn’t absolve Lyanna of her part in this mess and the destruction that took place because of her and Rhaegar’s actions. 

If Lyanna’s actions are night, let’s go to the day and briefly review Dany’s actions. So you have this girl who’s recently lost her brother, husband, and child and has no more family and no support system at all. She’s 15 year’s old, on her own, and she actually finds herself responsible for other people. Because she has no family and her father and older brother almost extinct their House, she feels responsible for avenging her family and recovering what was theirs. She goes to Slaver’s Bay to get herself and army, but while she’s there she sees that she has landed in the pit of hell. Little boys being mutilated, babies being murdered in order to train the Unsullied, children slathered in honey and thrown at bears for the amusement of the Master and just general slavery disgustingness. 

So, Dany having been sold herself and not appreciating the experience decides to do something about it, because “you know what? This ain’t right”. So she concocts a plan and voila Dracarys Motherfuckers. Now, a lot of Dany’s mistakes stem from how she left Astapor, which she left with a ruling council but without any defense and then the mistakes she made in Meereen. And while Dany’s actions did cause a great deal of death and destruction ultimately hundreds of thousands of people were freed from slavery and therefore free to chose their own choices. And in addition, her actions started a revolution in Volantis which will ultimately free hundreds of thousands of more people, if successful. Which means that in the long run millions of people would potentially be saved from continuing to be slaves or becoming slaves in the future. 

Can you see the difference in their actions and the outcome of their actions? If Rhaegar and Lyanna did what they did because of a prophecy, their actions were based on a belief which neither of them could prove was real. And in the meantime thousands upon thousand of people died, lives were ruined, families destroyed. And while you can turn around and say thousands died in Dany’s revolution, I can then turn around and say but hundreds of thousands more lived and were saved from a life of slavery. At the end of the day, people had hope when they might not have had hope before. 

Their actions are not comparable, no matter which way you cut it. 

TTFN