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sharki-leftishark · 2 years
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so much to do and yet I can’t help making a shitpost for my blorbos
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localvoidcat · 1 year
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I DO GIVE ME GIRLIE LORE!!!!!!!!!!!!
im going to talk mainly about julie and josie because im still figuring out werewolf gang stuff <3
oh my god. so julie. she's always grown up really close to her brother and they're basically inseparable for the first couple years of their life. but after first arc he grows very distant. stops talking to people, stops leaving his room, his entire demeanor changes after andre (supposedly) dies. and she tries to give him space at first. but days turn into weeks turn into months and she isn't sure if she can just sit by and watch him get worse, so she tries to talk to him more. tries to get him out, tries to help him but he just stays distant. as the years go by and they get older it becomes clear that he's just. not the same person he used to be, and she isn't very keen on accepting this. it's still her brother, and she still cares about him, but nothing she does seems to make him be alright. she has her own life to handle, and she figures josh has to have one of his own. he's certainly gone a lot, and she wonders if maybe he's trying to make up for lost time.
then he disappears one night, leaving all his stuff behind, as he always does, and he doesn't come back. the report about the association burning down and salvador torres' death gets out, and josh is seen as the main suspect. and everyone else seems to believe he's dead, and she watches as everyone views her brother as a murderer and she's tired of watching the town turn against him a second time. there's only so much you can do to defend a dead man though, and over time she just learns to deal with it. she's got things to do herself. talking to the grave seems to help, at least. it's a way for her to vent her frustration, and sadly, it feels like the most she's ever been able to talk to him, even though he isn't there.
her reaction to seeing him years later is. a mix between furious that he lied to her and happy that he's alive.
she has more in her character outside of his disappearance, but i'm still working part of that out. i really love her and i plan to have a lot more "screen time" for her in second arc/third arc
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JOSIE!! she's a mortem witch/werecat that works as a mortician that performs exorcisms/spirit communications on the side. she's one of the many people andre encounters, and offers to help him find out more about his curse/whatever seems to be haunting him.
she's one of the few people that meets the wolf, and due to this tends to be. slightly distrusting around andre once they learn just how dangerous it is. they still try to help him though, and keep in touch over the years.
eventually she meets julie! either they come to amber falls or julie comes to whatever town she's in, and the two get along very well. josie doesn't mention andre and as such julie has no idea that they're tied to him at all
as i mentioned, she works as a mortician and as a result is very interested in decomposition + corpses and the like! they talk about it a lot with julie and the whole time julie's like well i cant NOT date her. them being together leads to a very strange dynamic for them + andre and josh once the four meet up in third arc 😭
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uhhh what headcanons/canon facts do i have about them let's see
julie's a vegetarian while josie's more of a carnivore due to the werecat thing
my friend charlie came up with this but julie's a vans person
josie likes stardew valley and gets julie to play with her. josie loves the blue chickens
werecat josie is probably based off some kind of leopard....i think she's probably a leopard cat/palawan leopard. big ol eyes
josie's an unlabeled sapphic demigirl and julie's cis pansexual
they're like one of the only healthy relationships in fmr HELP
i cant think of much else but i need to draw them eventually i love them
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so imma share the reason i’ve been on hiatus beccause its a fucking whirlwind of a story and i need to fucking vent
Background - for those who doon’t know I worked for michael mouse in florida on the pastry team for one of the parks. the kitchen i worked in was shared with culinary and pastry.
ok so story - 
so all of this started at the beginning of September. I went to a housewarming party for one of my bestfriends and her new apartment. It was me, 4 other pastry people. The friend who owned the apartment, her boyfriend, her brother, and 2 culinary guys i never met before. So the party's good were having a great fucking time, shooting shit. Then all of my friends start roasting me for the fact i drive like a cop. So i argue back, It’s not my fault yall drive slow and shitty. And were arguing and one of the culinary men pipes up and defends me and automatically i was like “SEE HE GETS IT HE UNDERSTANDS ALL OF YOU ARE Fake FRIENDS” after that the party was fine but i felt a spark with that man . After the party when I'm home in bed i text 2 of my friends like “is he single and what do you guys think?” and everyone was like omg yall would be cute there's definitely chemistry between yall. Skipping forward he sees me in the break room and talks to me quite often then he adds me on Facebook and he dms me and we start chatting. I find out he has a girlfriend.
 Time continues we talk every fufkcing day, he compliments me and then it starts turning flirty. (He still has a girlfriend still) Now i will admit. I flirted back, I said things i shouldn't have to a man in a relationship and that's my fault. I am not innocent. continuing though, me and this man talked about starring a family together and once he leaves his girlfriend he wants to court me (I have a 3 month rule i won't enter a relationship without dating for 3 months) . I fell in love with this man. I will not lie. but i was essentially an emotional side chick.
Skip forward to November early November i go to dinner with me, him, the friend who had the housewarming, her boyfriend, and the other culinary guy from the party. The whole dinner was good afterward he walked me to my car. At my car he tried to kiss me, i leaned away from him. Because i can’t kiss a man in a relationship but i can plan a family with one (stupid i know) fast forward to thanksgiving in America, the last Thursday of November. He tells me hes going to break up with his girlfriend FINALLY. So i am texting him the day after he was supposed to break up with her and turns out he didn’t and they were going to work on their relationship. That was my breaking point. I snapped, cussed him out and told him I’m not being a side chick. I’m Number 1 or im no one. Then i told him to tell her or someone else will. Then that night after work me and my friends are in the breakroom talking and my friend shows me this app called ‘yik yak’ which is an anonymous posting app to people within a certain perimeter. I knew that his girlfriend worked in the same park so i said fuck it and posted ‘hey so and so this guys cheating on you lol good luck’ she anonymously messages me and asks for proof and i tell her my name and where i worked and how long we had been talking. The next day i get a text from him saying ‘she broke up with m i hope your happy i don’t know if it was you who did it but congrats on getting what you wanted’ I replied ‘wasn't me but good for her’ i lied and continued on with my life. Proceeded to became an alcoholic for a bit to cope with the fact i fell in love with a man who had a girlf4reiend. For the rest of December im working and dealing with life and through all the people i know and talk to i hear about 2 other women he had supposedly been sleeping with at the same time he was talking to me and had a girlfriend. Then his ex girlfriend talks to one of my closest friends and spills everything about their relationship. Including the fact that she was previously 3 months pregnant with his baby. she miscarried (Side note she's 19 he’s 28) so hearing all of this I'm like wtf. Because the whole time from the time i knew him he said that they had only been together less than a month before we started talking so I'm baffled, I'm disgusted. Not only was he emotionally cheating with me, he was physically cheating with 2 other girls WHILE HIS GIRLFRIEND WAS PREGNANT!! So I'm angry I'm upset that i let myself be involved with such a person. Skip to the day after Christmas i get a merry Christmas i miss you text from him. My response was along the lines of ‘how funny it is you text me after i hear all of this shit’ he calls me that night and we get into an argument, he denies sleeping with the women but confirms her being pregnant at the time. we don't talk after that. 
January he comes back to the kitchen and i have a breakdown because that's the first time i had seen him since everything happened . He had be temporarily reassigned to another location for the slow season so mid November to January. I ended up getting drunk that night and messaging him just to say hi because he told someone he wouldn't talk to me unless i talked first to give him space. We continued to talk after that. 
So now, we still talk. Not as often and not nearly at the level of friendship we had before. I still deep down love him but i feel as if it wasn’t him i loved but a fake person because he lied so much so i can't believe anything he says. because i hold these feelings still i cant just block him and move on. However, i no longer work for the company due to an injury and am in the process of moving back to Michigan. I received a text from him telling me he was in a new relationship. I had suspicions about who it was because he told me in December he had been talking to someone. but today i got a text from a former friend of his now a FRIEND OF mine. She confirmed it was one of the girls he was sleeping with. None of this surprises me but i also got a text from him wanting to hang out next weekend. Mind you before this he insisted we don’t hang out because he didn’t think he could control himself around me (he told me this like 4 days ago) so.....
idk why i’m sharing its just been so much and i feel so much shame and guilt. I feel dumb for falling in love with a man that has a sex addiction, is an alcoholic and has anger issues. I’m mad i got blindsided with flowery words and i’m mad i continue to entertain someone who is literally the worst. I am such a bleeding heart that i have a very hard time blocking people or cutting them out of my life. I don’t want to hurt people. But at the same time i do want to be toxic asf and destroy his life. I plan on going to therapy once my move is complete because this situation has me so fucked up. I hope i can get to a point where i don’t want him in my life and i feel as if i am clse to that. I am starting to feel contempt for him and more disgust than anything. I am dealing with an injury and am already having to restart after losing my dream job over this so i’m dealing with alot and a stinky shitty man doesn’t need to be added to the list.
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kob131 · 5 years
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What do you feel about the post about Vic mignogna by ultraericthered
https://ultraericthered.tumblr.com/post/183990672385/im-sick-of-the-rangers-spamming-vics-tag-with
Let’s break this down.
Vic is absolutely guilty of inappropriate behavior, misconduct, sexual harassment, and possibly (just possibly) sexual assault towards others. This has been established by his pattern of behavior for years. Monica and the others are being entirely honest in their stories and the allegations are very likely honest as well. How this is even in question, I have no idea, but it upsets and disturbs me that there are so many who are quick to jump to Vic’s defense while simultaneously vilifying his opponents and accusers (and possibly victims).
A, He hasn’t been proven guilty of exual harassment OR assault and inapporiate behavior means nothing.
And B. yeah, no. Monica has been lying via omission for months now, refusing to give ANY details on any incidents DESPITE the fact that those details are REQUIRED to convict him. And before you say she’s scared: she’s openly threatened vic supporters with legal action. Over asking her for info. That is not the behavior of an innocent person.
Oh and C. NOTHING came to light about Vic for MONTHS. The ProJared shit started and ended in the same month.
What gives credibility to the side of Monica Rial, Jamie Marchi, Jamie McGonnigal, Marzgurl, etc. is that not only do their words and allegations line up with accounts of Vic’s skeevy behavior towards fans and women that have been going around the internet for YEARS (It’s honestly astonishing just how far back some of this goes), but how many other VAs, people actually in the industry who might’ve worked alongside Vic and would be there to witness his actions, have come out in Vic’s defense? Can’t really think of much. Meanwhile, how many have been coming out in support of the alleged victims? Quite a handful, even J. Michael Tatum, himself a victim of sexual assault in the past. Apparently, Vic being a primadona and a skeevy womanizing creeper has been an open secret in the VA industry since forever.
And of these guys:
Monica has evaded legal action and refused to give details NECESSARY to convict him
Marzgurl has sactively ENOCURAGE VIOLENCE
And Jamie has been proven to bully people into dropping Vic from cons.
As for the ‘accounts”: they’re eitehr anonyomous accounts, too old to prove...or taken out of context of the people involed.
And by the way. how many famous people probably came out and said ‘that guy’s a commie’ back during the Red Scare? People coming out to help doesn’t MEAN anything without proof. People in the wrong can still come out in droves. And if that doesn’t convince: does that mean rape victims who don’t have public support while their rapists DO are the ones in the wrong then? Same logic of ‘One party has more public support than the other, therefore they’re right.’
What’s damning on Vic’s side of things? Well not only was a thorough investigation into the sexual harassment allegations conducted during the time of the Broly movie’s production prior to Funimation’s decision to lay Vic off (something his fans don’t even seem to realize happened) -
You mean the one where they didn’t give any info and was probably a ‘cut off the controversial figure for profit’ decision?
- but Vic’s response to the whole situation has…just not been how I think an absolutely innocent man getting his career and livelihood threatened by accusation of things he absolutely never did and would never do would respond. Vic’s been pretty sincere and professional throughout this and I give him props for that, but his “defenses” against the allegations have always been along the lines of “I remember things differently” or “I didn’t realize she felt that way - I thought that thing we had was consensual and mutual.” Of course he’s not going to recall those incidents as being ones where he committed sex offenses because he did not see his actions as being such when he committed them. He fails to recognize how and why his behavior is so wrong. He doesn’t knowingly think of himself as a sex fiend and harasser when he acts that way - he really thinks he’s being nice (backed up by the allegation where he repeatedly asked his victim to “let me be sweet to you.”). But those moments were not consensual. The girls and women he touched or romanced were not comfortable with it.-
And Monica has threatened legal action and Marzgurl thretaened PHYSICAL VIOLENCE.
You wanna judge this based on public reaction? Show me where Vic threatens anyone who questions him.
What his intentions were at the time don’t matter when put next against how his victims internalized his actions and how they were made to feel -
No, intentions DO matter. That’s why ‘self defense’ and ‘murder’ are different concepts.
And on top of that, look at how Monica Rial worded her own account:
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This, by contrast, is Vic’s wording of his side of things. He “got lazy.” He’s “a work in progress like everyone else.” And my personal favorite: “Voice actors are no different from you: we’re bozos. We’re all dumb humans just trying to do our best.” The emotions are sincere, but the words are unrefined and a bit try-hard in trying to paint a sympathetic image of himself.
And Monica, by your own standards, is trying to appeal to basic human empathy to trick people into believing her. Thing is, Vic is consistent in his actions. Monica has acted contradictory MANY times.
And what’s damning on the side of Vic’s fans and defenders? Well, I could not help but notice that they can be found all over Youtube, hive of the Far Right that it’s become-
Strike 1.
I also could not help but notice that whenever I clicked a video made for supporting Vic and tearing down his opposition and accusers (who, again, could very well be his victims), it was literally ALWAYS a dude speaking.
Strike 2.
It was always some man speaking in defense of this other man who he probably doesn’t even personally know in a situation he wasn’t there to experience and knows next to shit about, and demonizing “waamen” that he also doesn’t personally know. And in all of this, I have not once seen any valid reasoning for why Vic absolutely must be innocent of the allegations made against him other than “he’s a super popular, charming, beloved VA” and “he seems like such a nice guy”. It’s frankly quite terrifying that the immediate default for these people is to stand with the popular, prolific, powerful man (and I don’t want to be an SJW here, but that Vic is handsome, white, straight/cis, and Christian might be a huge part of it
Strike 3-
Not only is this gonna EMBOLDEN the assholes on Vic’s side-
But Monica’s defenders (like YOU) have focused on gender and bullshit instead of anything FACTUAL. You act like anyone whose accused of sexual assault is IMMEDIATELY guilty if the accuser is a woman and teh accused is a man. Never mind how most of these accusations come down to simple miscommunication between the parties and nevermind how if a guy tries coming to the police about being raped, it’s likely HE’LL be arrested. Let alone what happens if the woman gets pregnant and can sue for child support...even if she committed STATUTORY RAPE.
Oh, and Vic’s italian and that culture is very touchy feely. So guess what? You’re racist by your own logic.
and denounce the women who come forward to accuse him as being liars because this is exactly why women who are victimized by men of such power and popularity tend to NOT come forward with stories of their victimization immediately after it happens. Yes, anyone is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law, but that doesn’t mean the accusers should be denounced as liars and demonized for daring to mess with the man - they ought to be shown support and respect IF in the case what they say is true and they really were hurt by that man. If they’re proven liars beyond any doubt, THEN they can be given well deserved scorn. But brushing them off beforehand is Not OK. Especially if it’s with conspiracy theories about how this is some big coordinated feminist effort to tear down a great man and destroy his livelihood, or it’s a retaliation from yaoi fangirls who hate that Vic dares to be anti-yaoi and Conservative in regards to gay people.
And yet you condemn Vic before he is proven to be lying.
Sorry, either condemn yourself or be better.
These assclowns have also constantly resorted to the defense of “Oh, hugging other people and kissing them in places not on the lips totes isn’t sexual harassment”. Totally ignoring the little details of the girls getting the hugs typically being total strangers to Vic outside of being fans of his work who are thus underage girls being touched by a grown man who has absolutely no relation to them, that he might have done the same with female co-workers behind the scenes, and that he has done these things on a whim, without the recipient’s consent and without paying any mind to how it might make them feel.
Also ignoring if they give consent like that time someone tried portraying Vic touching a supposedly underage girl only to BACKFIRE as the womana spoke out in defense of the man.
This has been a consistent pattern of behavior with him,
Consistently unproven.
and allegedly, he’s justified it with saying “silence gives consent.” Like a girl or woman absolutely has to verbally say “no” or tell him outright that he’s making them feel uncomfortable for it to be considered wrong and unwarranted. Basically “a lack of a No makes it a Yes.” I can’t begin to describe how gross that is.
So Vic has to be a fucking MINDREADER or else.
Great to know, especially considering how my own condition would make this shit damn near impossible to see.
The worst part is how these IStandWithVic cultists demonize Monica Rial. A woman who, by her own admission, was a victim of rape as a teenager.
Says the man who demonizes Vic.
A woman who has shown nothing but emotional and intellectual honesty and kindness on social media, who has acknowledged that even Vic and his fans don’t deserve to be harassed and hurt, to the point of stating this:
https://twitter.com/Rialisms/status/1095156641543192576
Funny how she says this TWO DAYS LATER than your picture.
But she’s both painted as a vicious liar who’s out to destroy a good, innocent man’s life and career, and is ALWAYS being written off by these dudes as just “the VA for Bulma.” As though she’s had no other notable roles in her long career of voice acting aside from that one character (as opposed to the oh-so talented, versatile and legendary star that is Vic). As though that character has had only one English VA. As though Monica just plain doesn’t matter when put next to a fellow VA in the industry who happens to be a handsome white, straight/cis, Christian male.
Keep being a bigoted douchebag, I can hear the alt RIght cumming.
And as though Monica had any feasible reason to lie about her experiences with Vic and assassinate his character on social media.
*points at you and your blind defense of her*
the pro-Vic crowd seems to think she’s greedy or jealous or just resentful towards Vic as a person, and is out to get him so that she can get money or respect or more roles or petty revenge or whatever.
Literally change ‘vic’ to ‘monica and that’d describe you.
But if that were really the case, how does that account for the friends and family who support her claims? How does it account for the fellow VAs (Jamie Marchi, Jamie McGonnigal, J. Micahel Tatum, Josh Grelle, Justin Briner, Daman Mills) who’ve all supported her claims and have said “Yeah, Vic’s been like that forever.
‘Get social brownie points’
How does it account for the fans and congoers who have been sharing their stories of uncomfortable experiences and encounters they’ve had with Vic FOR YEARS?
‘Stories’ are not truth.
The deck is NOT stacked in Vic’s favor here, so “he’s successful, popular, funny, friendly, charming, talented and a classic VA who’s so well loved in the anime community” is NOT going to cut it as an assumption of his innocence or a defense for his character.
No, that’s the legal system that says ‘innocent until proven guilty.’
He needs to be held accountable for his misdemeanors against people who gave no consent to being touched, hugged, kissed, stalked, romanced, or squicked out by him.
And yet Monica threatening legal action and Marzgurl making THREATS OF VIOLENCE? A-Ok.
It’s a Michael Jackson type of situation - even if he’s NOT done the things he’s being accused of, that does NOT make his creepy behavior towards underage fangirls excusable or alright.
Funny thing about Micheal Jackson-
The accusations, when you actually pay attention, are complete bullshit. Events don’t line up, accounts vary wildly, facts contradict stories. And yet he STILL suffered until the day he died and BEYOND. So thanks for remindidng why, as much as I hate Yellow Flash, Hero Hei and Nick Riekta-
You idiots are the worse evil.
Tl;dr: I shall from now on be referring to this VA as “Vic Cosby Mignogna.” ‘Cause even if he’s not guilty of the heinous shit that Bill Cosby is guilty of, his case is still all too eerily similar.
#IStandWithMonica
So does that mean if I call Monica ‘Monikkka’- She’s a KKK member now?
Oh wait, you wouldn’t give two shits if the places were reversed would you? For your cry of ‘I’m not an SJW!’- You sure do sound like the fucking strawman it represents.
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legolasgoldy · 6 years
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VI. The Lovers || VIII. Strength || XVIII. The Moon || ★ Seven of Pentacles || ☆* Two of Wands || ◥█̆̈◤ Four of Cups || ━━╋⊂ Three of Swords
Tarot-inspired Prompts
// Phew, sorry this took a few days these questions are so gooddd. It took a lot of typing, I hope its not too much to read!haha XD Thank you so much!!❤  @blind-mutant //
VI. The Lovers - have your character’s heart and mind ever been at odds with one another?
X-men verse: Yes, a few times. When he first started getting his mutation and really struggling to come to terms with it, he was really confused as to what he should do.  It took him a month or two to decide, and ultimately his head chose to leave to spare his family from any problems his mutations would cause even though his heart told him to stay and have their support.
Also with Rhys, there was a lot of his heart telling him something his mind hadnt quite realized yet. It was a very subconscious thing because he knew he loved him, but never thought about in what way. It was obvious to everyone else, he absolutely adored him, loved his smile, his voice, everything about him and spent time always thinking of him. The problem was, it didnt click in his mind right away that all of those feelings were much more than friendship. All he knew, was that being with Rhys made his soul happy. When he did finally realize, everything just seemed to make sense but due to the whole drunken night incident a whole new struggle arose. He didnt think Rhys would feel the same way so that made his head clash with his heart a lot. All of it was a misunderstanding of course
In Mainverse: Phew, Im only going to list one time and make it brief or else we’ll be on this one question forever. When crossing the Helcaraxe, it was nothing but a mind and heart battle. He was constantly aching for comfort but hating everyone for hurting him so badly, but somewhere in his mind he knew he didnt hate them, he loved them and thats why it hurt so bad. It took the whole elven 30 years in the Helcaraxe to finally cope and his mind and heart match as much as it could.
VIII. Strength - is there a moment your character has ever had to fight for something or someone?
X-Men Au: In his usual X-men verse he hasnt had to do anything extremely drastic, but he does defend the people he cares about from judgemental people on several occasions. It sounds awfully tame but I think eventually when on his own and living with Rhys, both of them having jobs, having a happy life. He feels like they did a lot of work to get there too. Finrod helped Rhys through a lot of hard times, and they overcame past demons to live happy and together. Sometimes those demons do resurface but they fight back against that.
He does have a verse where he and a friend were captured, and he protected them from Hydra, and for the sake of not writing a lot of gore, in short theres a lot of biting and fighting. He gets muzzled, his hair cut, tested on, but eventually he gets his friend and they get out but the friend doesnt make it far, the friend supposedly drowns in the river. Key word being supposedly. XD
MainVerse: Yes. There is a lot of war throughout his lifetime that he fights in and a lot of emotional turmoil. He had to fight to be with Maglor the moment they first fell in love. Feanor forbid them to be see each other, Maglor had to marry someone else, etc. That was the least of his problems though, when they all were fleeing Valinor he had to fight to try and keep his cousins/friends from killing each other ( which they did) at the first kinslaying. He also had to fight and struggle to keep his family alive in the Helcaraxe. Then there was just so much fighting in Middle Earth. The only time there wasnt, was in the time of great peace when Morgoth was quiet, and Finrod was free to run his kingdom happily and be with his family and lover, still in secret, but he’d take it. After all that crap, keeping their romance secret wasnt as big of a deal anymore. Thats not to say it didnt bother him sometimes, but there were worse problems.
XVIII. The Moon - what is the most significant secret your character has discovered?
X-men AU: Aside from finding out what happened to Rhys, there isnt much else significant. His life in this au is relatively calm compared to all other aus. Unless you count teenage talk, and secrets swapped between friends. Theres tons of those but none of those are massive secrets.
MainVerse: Probably when Ulmo came to him and gave him a hint of what was to come and what he needed to do to prepare. Any secret from a Vala is  hella significant. Similarly, the most significant secret he ever kept himself, is that he was shagging his half-cousin for centuries and they in fact were kinda secretly married twice XD Also, any events of his foresight telling him something can also count.
★ Seven of Pentacles - what tests your character’s patience more than anything?
Prejudice.The only smidge of patience he has for it, is giving them a chance to educate themselves on the matter and be a better person. He’ll even offer to educate them. If they keep squandering that chance then he has no patience for them. You can lead a horse to water but cant make them drink, if hes gatta just forget them and protect innocent people from them then oh well. He tried. Hes not gonna tolerate someone whos ignorant biased hateful views hurt people.
ー☆* Two of Wands - has your character ever had to make a tough decision between two choices?
X-men AU: This goes along with the first question. Most of his tough decisions were due to his mind and heart saying two different things.  When his mutation started surfacing, not only did he feel like he had to choose between leaving and staying, he felt the need to either keep in touch or break up with his boyfriend. Those were two very very hard decisions. Of course he had only just turned 16, he was such a young boy and in his mind at the time those were his only choices.  He got so afraid that his family would suffer if someone judged him, he wanted them happy. The same with his boyfriend, they had both planned to go to go through highschool together then attend a college of the arts to study music. They had such big dreams that he suddenly didnt think he could do anymore. The thought of trying and failing, then hindering his boyfriend from achieving his dreams was too much, he couldnt find it in himself to risk everyones happiness, and/or safety. Heaven forbid him being a mutant were to effect his parents jobs! Or people pick on his little siblings at their schools. He thought of everything bad that could happen, and in that already stressed/very frightened state he decided to leave. Of course Charles Xavier found him and told him about the institute, and this whole thing was mended but it was devastating at the time.
MainVerse: Whether or not to leave Valinor was a choice that changed his entire life, and set his entire future in motion down the path of doom. It sounds really dramatic and it was. ;-;. When all the Noldor decided to leave when the trees were killed his mother wouldn’t go with them, and he couldnt bear to leave her but he felt the need to go and protect his father and siblings too. So he told her he would take care of them for her. At that time there was no doom of Mandos, and there could have been a way back to see her at some point and time. It wasnt too unreasonable to think seeing as the Valar said they could go, and they hadnt committed any crimes yet.
After the kinslaying he had a choice to turn back with his father and his people, to be forgiven and have the curse of doom lifted off him but he couldnt leave his siblings, cousins, and lover. He had to choose to stay with them, and thus making the decision to never see his parents again until he died. In a way he had no choice, he couldnt let his siblings, cousins, and lover go to middle earth, where the dark lords were,  alone. Theres no way he could so in that aspect it was an easy choice, but hard and heartwrenching all the same.  Another tough choice was to travel through the Helcaraxe but that wasnt his sole decision, its more complicated so I wont mention that one.
◥█̆̈◤ Four of Cups - how indecisive is your character?
Finrod is pretty decisive, the only decisions that are difficult for him are the ones where his heart and mind clash like the other questions asked about. He has such a big heart, he always tries to consider everyone and do whats best but sometimes the situation calls for a lot of thinking rather than acting on emotion. Something that important takes a lot of thought.
━━╋⊂ Three of Swords - what was the worst betrayal of trust your character has ever experienced?
X-men au: I think going back to the tough decision question about his mutation beginning to surface. At the time when that happened, he felt very betrayed by his own body. Everything just started tumbling to pieces in front of him. His body kept changing and his teeth were growing so his mouth was incredibly sore around his canines not to mention accidentally biting himself a lot. His ears, and sense of smell, and taste were malfunctioning from the change so noises that didnt normally bother him hurt sometimes to the point of bleeding ears, things that normally tasted good suddenly tasted bad, he kept smelling things he didnt want to smell. Not to mention his voice started doing really weird things and he suddenly got abnormally strong. Not only was all this suddenly happening to him, his fear of what would happen to everyone else just made him feel betrayed by the world for not accepting him and forcing him between a rock and a hard place. Of course later, things did work out and he realized there were a lot of people who supported mutants too, and that he just had to see it. The longer he had his mutation he felt like it was who he was meant to be, now he wouldnt know what to do without it. Just being so young and everything happening so suddenly did make him feel betrayed for several months.
Mainverse: Hm, well theres several betrayals that he went through although things like the kinslaying wasnt directly to solely him so I wont elaborate on those.  I would say its a pretty good tie between his uncle Feanor refusing to let  Makalaure/Maglor be with him and basically forcing Mags to marry someone else specifically to keep them from ever being married was a pretty bad betrayal at the time. Feanor had always been rough around the edges, but Finrod had never expected that extent of a betrayal.
The biggest betrayal of his entire lifetime I would say is what Curufin and Celegorm did in Nargothrond.  Finrod had been one of the best kings in history, he was sweet, compassionate, loyal, trust worthy, he cared about everyone not just his own subjects. His kingdom thrived and was so happy, he kept it hidden from evil all that time. There was such an immense level of respect between him and his subjects, and Curufin and Celegorm specifically visited Nargothrond to try and undermine that respect and trust. They widdled away at it and planted all kinds of seeds of doubt to the point when Finrod decided to go with Beren to retrieve a silmaril, it was absolute mutiny. Everyone in the entire kingdom turned on him because of what Curufin and Celegorm had done and said to them, only a single handful of people remained loyal to him. A single handful, thats it, out of that entire massive kingdom. Finrod simply took off his crown and tossed it on the floor bc thats all he could do,  it was such a betrayal there was nothing else he could have done.  Finrod went into Angband with only part of that handful of people because no one else would follow him. They all died except for Beren who Finrod died protecting. Luckily his nephew Orodreth got the crown and not Curufin and Celegorm, but much good that did..Not long after Nargothrond fell and Orodreth and his daughter was killed, and most of Nargothronds people were either killed or enslaved. So.. yea. Massive Betrayal. Hugee. Lead to the entire kingdom and its people being dead.
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Adamandriel Oneshot (because I’m trash) THERE IS CURSING BECAUSE IM TIRED AND THATS WHAT HAPPENS
@jacquie-writes @nyamafriend here you gooo :D
"Come on, Adam! I just want my ship to sail," whined the 18 year old. His name was Corey Larken. With his messy brown hair and chocolate eyes, he could be what you'd call, a human puppy.
"It's not going to happen," his roomate, Adam Milligan, shot back. His short blond hair and blue eyes made him a guy anyone could have a crush on, which was good seeing as how he was bisexual.
Currently, the two boys were seated on the couch of their college dorm. Adam was playing Call of Duty and Corey was bugging him about his ship.
"Why not?" Corey pouted. Adam sighed, but didn't take his eyes off the screen.
"I've never even met this person," he responded with a huff of laughter, "and you just met them a few days ago. I don't even know their name!"
"First off, it's a guy," Corey said, "and second, his name is Samandriel Novak and he's a damn puppy."
"Co, you're a puppy," Adam pointed out.
"Okay, maybe, but Samandriel is the ultimate puppy," he said. "He's so cute!"
"Then you date him," the blond deadpanned. Corey blinked at him, then started laughing.
"Bush, you know I don't date," he grinned. Adam finished his game and turned off the television.
"Why do you say bush? Just say bitch like the rest of us." Adam put the controller down and faced his friend. "And, if I go, will you leave me alone about this whole 'ship' thing? Why do you even ship us? How do you know we'd get along?"
"For your first question, it's because I'm unique. For your second question, you're hot, he's adorable. It's the perfect combination," Corey answered happily. "Now come on, we're meeting him in the park in 15 minutes!"
~~~
To say Adam didn't want to be here was an understatement. He'd rather be at home kicking the butts of salty 12 year olds in video games. Instead, he was sitting in the park with a hyperactive puppy human waiting for another, supposedly, puppy human who might be just as hyperactive.
"Look man, I don't care what you say, vanilla will always rule over the other flavors," Corey said. The two boys were talking about ice cream flavors while waiting for Samandriel.
"But it's so bland," Adam argued.
"The only thing that's bland is your social life," Corey shot back with a smirk. Adam put a hand to his chest, acting offended. He opened his mouth to respond with a retort but was interrupted.
"Hello," a soft voice said, causing the two boys to look up. The person they saw had light brown hair and blue eyes.
"Samandriel! Hi," Corey shot up, grinning widely and gave the smaller student a hug. Adam had a double take.
"This is Samandriel?" He asked in disbelief. "I know you said he was 'the ultimate puppy', but this is crazy!" He stood up and walked around the boy.
Samandriel tilted his head and watched as Adam walked in circles around him. Corey had to cover his mouth with his hand to stifle his laughs.
"Oh, I'm Adam by the way," he introduced and Samandriel nodded.
"Nice to meet you," he gave a small smile and Corey hugged him tight.
"Alfie, you are too precious for the world," Corey stated.
"Thank you?" Samandriel furrowed his eyebrows confused and Adam laughed.
"Hey, Co?" Adam asked. Corey looked at him. "Where'd you get the nickname Alfie?"
"Oh! Well, he works in the cafe on campus and they got his name tag mixed up, but he's too shy to tell them," he answered. Samandriel blushed and looked at the ground.
"I just don't want to cause trouble," he defended himself. Corey laughed and Adam gave the shy boy a light smile.
He’s cute. Adam thought, smiling.
~~~
It's been a few weeks since the two have met, and since then they've constantly been hangin out. Along with Corey of course. He, and Adam quotes, "would rather die than miss the possibility of my ship being cute together." So here they were, sitting in Barnes & Noble with drinks, arguing about the best author.
"Oh, come on, Corey! At least you learn things from Riordan's books! What do you learn from Erin Hunter?" Adam crossed his arms and frowned at his friend.
"Cats are superior and they're religion actually fucking exists," the brown-haired male answered. Adam gasped and covered Samandriel's ears.
"Child ears over here! Be considerate," he teased. Samandriel whined and tried to move away from Adam.
"I'm not a child! Stop it," he complained. The older boy laughed and removed his hands.
"Okay, okay. Sorry, Alfie," Adam smiled at him and Samandriel just pouted.
A camera shutter was heard and the two boys looked at Corey.
"Shit! I thought my ringer was off," he sighed but quickly smiled again, "you guys are adorable!"
They both blushed and glanced at each other. Corey, of course, took another picture.
"C, stop," Alfie whined. He laughed and put his phone away.
"Fine, fine," he agreed with a grin.
Adam shook his head in exasperation and sipped his coffee.
~~~
About three months have passed and Corey is still impatiently waiting for his friends to just get together. Only now, he's started interfering.
From making them work together on projects (he befriended as many professors as possible just to make this happen) to literally pushing them into each other, Corey has tried it all. It was clear to everyone but them that they liked each other, and Corey was at his breaking point.
"Oblivious little shits," he muttered under his breath.
He was sitting at the park with the two causes of his problems and was texting another one of his friends, Marie, asking for advice. She shipped them as much as Corey did, if not then more.
Marie 🙃: Just straight up tell them
Corey 🐶: Shouldn't they try to figure it out on their own??
Marie 🙃: It's been 3 months man!
Corey 🐶: Yeah...
"Watcha doing?" Adam looked over his shoulder curiously.
"Getting advice from Marie," Corey responded.
"On what?" Adam asked, confused.
Corey hesitated for a moment, but remembered what Marie told him. His phone vibrated and he looked down at it.
Marie 🙃: Bitch if you don't do it then I will XD
Corey smiled and shook his head.
"On you two shit heads," he finally answered.
"What do you mean?" Adam asked. He looked over at Samandriel who was sitting on a swing and scrolling through his phone.
"She was right," Corey sighed. "You both clearly like each other. Ask him out already!"
Adam froze.
"Fuck. Is it that obvious?" He looked at Corey hopelessly. Needless to say, Corey wanted to punch something.
"Yes!" He shouted, drawing a confused look from Samandriel.
He waved at the boy who waved back and went back to absentmindedly swinging.
"Seriously, Adam, just ask him out. I bet you a month's worth of pizza he'll say yes," he said. Adam looked at Samandriel.
"Fine, I'll do it before he leaves," Adam decided.
"Better than nothing," Corey reluctantly agreed, much rather having him ask now.
~~~
About an hour later was when it happened. Corey and Adam worked together to plan the date and Samandriel had fun in the playground and chatted with the occasional kid that came up to him (mostly wanting to know if he'd play hide and seek with them. Why? Samandriel doesn't know, but he has fun).
Samandriel headed over to the chatting boys. "I've got to go back to my dorm, I still have a little bit of homework to finish up," he announced.
Adam looked at Corey, who just smirked at him. Samandriel looked at them confused.
"What is it?" he asked.
"Adam here has something he needs to ask you, and I'm just gonna go over there," Corey said as he stood up and walked to a tree not to far away, taking out his phone.
Corey 🐶: Marie it's happening
Marie 🙃: VIDEO
Corey 🐶: I know I know
Quickly, he switched to the camera app and started recording. He was zoomed in on the two boys, luckily still within earshot.
Adam was now standing, and blushing, while Samandriel was still very confused.
"Adam? Are you okay?" he asked worriedly.
"Uh, yeah. I'm fine. Um," he stumbled over his words and blushed brighter.
"Okay, so what did you need to ask?" Samandriel tilted his head.
Adam hesitated and looked over at Corey who gave him an enthusiastic thumbs up.
"Well, I wanted to ask if," he sighed and ran his hands through his hair. "Oh, fuck it."
He grabbed the smaller boy by his shirt and kissed him. Samandriel completely froze. After a second though, he melted into the kiss.
Corey was biting his fist trying not to scream. He struggled to hold his phone steadily in order to capture this whole thing.
After a few seconds, the two boys pulled apart, both blushing hard.
"So," Adam started with a small smile, "would you like to go on a date with me?"
"Of course," Samandriel smiled up at him shyly.
Adam gave him another quick kiss, then Samandriel started heading back to his dorm.
Meanwhile, poor Corey was practically dying. He sent the video to Marie and ran up to Adam to give him a tight hug.
"You did it," he smiled at his friend. Adam nodded, smiling widely.
He looked at his phone to check Marie's reaction, and she did not disappoint.
Marie 🙃: JAGAKSGSKSGA
Marie 🙃: IM SO PROUD
Marie 🙃: TELL ADAM I SAID CONGRATS 🎉
Marie 🙃: My babies are together :')
Corey laughed and looked at Adam.
"Marie says congratulations," he told him.
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woke up burning with anger. im supposed to sleep for another 2 hours to get a full 8 hours of rest but fuck it i cant. im so upset. my family has never protected me a day in my life. for years my mother has abused me. and still till this day refuses to do what’s necessary to love me properly. im not priority and have never been. i fled dallas two years ago because i could not stand being home anymore. i felt outcasted and miserable. my dad called me a bitch and my mom didnt even ask me how it made me feel. i told her she NEVER has asked how anything makes me feel. she tried to keep what my dad said from my uncles. she said it was to protect them cause theyd do anything for me, but really shes been protecting my dad all this time. my dad beat the shit out of me when i was about 3 years old. i have a pretty good memory of my early years, but i guess the event was so traumatic that i cant remember it. she said she came home one day and i was screaming with bruises all over my back. she took pictures and showed a few women in my family (supposedly), but kept it hidden from the men. no police report was filed and she eventually got back together with my dad and had two more children with him. a few months ago i asked her if she was ever in love with my father and she said hell no. she refused to protect me from a man she didnt even love. i just don’t understand how she could allow that to happen to me and blocked my dad from suffering any consequences. hes never hit her like that. my sisters have never gone through anything like that. just me.
im in so much pain. my uncle called me yesterday for the first time in years threatening to beat me if i ever “disrespect” my grandmother again. its crazy how disrespected Black people feel when you dont allow them to control you. in reality i was just defending a random black girl that my sister took a picture of trying to crack jokes about her in the family groupchat. my sister and my uncle’s antiblack ass were going back and forth picking the poor girl apart talking about her hair. the stranger was darkskin too so that shit was sooooo out of line. my grandma and my mom were engaging with the behavior too. i wasnt even going to say anything, but i cant let that shit slide. that was colorism in the flesh thriving. as a light skin girl, id be a terrible person to not say anything. so i did... i wasnt being aggressive but firm in how wrong it was. its not okay to take pics of anybody without their consent and black women especially darkskin black women are scrutinized for minding their own damn business. my sister said she “forgot i couldnt take a joke” just immediately gaslighting me off the bat. my uncle joining in. and my mom and grandma immediately wanting the conversation to be shut down. typing in all caps threatening me to shut up. but i didnt because i wasnt done yet. my sister was still throwing shots too so i let her know that if shes set on disrespecting people we’ll have beef for life. and my granny felt sooooooo disrespected; texting me individually and everything. my uncle calling me back to back. i was still at work too. the whole thing was annoying as fuck. so yeah, he called me on some bullshit over it. threatening to get violent saying he doesnt give a fuck what i believe.
its crazy because for years... my entire life actually, my sister has been disrespectful and nobody has ever checked her on it. ever. the only time anybody says anything is when i say something. they’re so hyper focused on controlling and restraining me that her behavior has never been acknowledged. they just expect me to take it. to not “sink to her level” but FUCK THAT. im tired of being the bigger person. being the bigger person never granted me more respect ever. im gonna do what i have to to be treated the way i demand and anybody who gets in the way of that is bound to be powerless. i had my first therapy session yesterday and she told me i may have to let go of some people. im so tired and im hurting so bad i know its true. im feeling like ive never had parents and no one actually loves me. my grandma does but shes never protected me. if anything shes been an enabler. and if not letting her silence me anymore means im going to be getting threats from grown ass men then i dont even want to talk to her anymore either. im feeling very alone and isolated right now. im in so much pain i cant cry hard enough. no one understands me everyone is against me.
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i just bought insurance there. then checked out scams im freaking out a little but my mom says in no big deal. its just other broker trying to compete. I called ehealth and asked if i was to buy from the medical place myself would it cost me less? They said no, they charge no brokers fee. so Im a little confused. Help anyone? thank you!""
Need supplemental insurance!?
I had a CAT scan done a few years ago and owe a good amount of money still because my insurance only covered a portion of it. Im a college student and make 8$ an hour and diagnosed with mental illness. Can i expect supplemental insurance to cover the rest of it? its about 1600. And can someone explain it for me? Do i pay for supplemental insurance to? My sister told me i can get emergency medicare or medical **** or something to pay for it.. Is this true...so confused. Thanks
What are the pros and cons of purchasing a car and leasing a car. Also how to purchase insurance.?
what are the pros and consof purchasing a car and leasing a car. And how do you purchase insurance?
How much is insurance on a 05-06 chrysler 300c?
I plan to pay cash for it (around $8,000) and since I will only be 17, it will still be under my parents name although I am paying for it. Should I go with liability or full coverage, and how much would each cost?""
How much does insurance cost on an international package mailed via the United States Post Office?
I have to mail a package to France and it weighs less than a pound but the item inside is worth more than $100 and I am curious to know how much it would cost me to insure this package if I were to use USPS.
Why are my health insurance rates so high?
what causes health insurance rate increases?
I am 18 and car insurances are too fukcing high (UK)?
hello, my first car will be a peugeot 1007 and most of the quotes offer me 5000 pounds which is a super joke because its impossible for me to afford it and also my mom. I'll be the first one to drive in the family and we badly need a car soon because its so hard to carry a 100 kg. sack of rice for 3 miles from the shop to the train station from the train station to our house with a return ticket. plus also, my mom's been cycling to her work for almost 10 years now and she's getting old and the least i could do is drive her to work. 1.) so my question is, why is this rule or law so much biased and stereotyped against the youth? isn't it time to change our perspectives, to be quite frank the youth of today are a lot more intelligent than the previous generations. 2.) why are car insurance companies and the UK government such a dick? 3.) why aren't there any activists protesting about these prices? that's all thank you.""
""HOW MUCH THE INSURANCE ILL BE FOR 2013, 15.000$CAR?IN CALIFORNIA?""
IM TALKING ABOUT DODGE DART 2013 ,HOW MUCH THE INSURANCE ILL BE FOR 2013, 15.000$CAR?IN CALIFORNIA.""
Do you think its fair that young men have to pay more for auto insurance than a women?
Do they cause more accidents or is it the insurance companies know a young man will pay more for the privilege to drive?
How much is equine medical insurance?
I know equine medical insurance differs form breed, age, and value of the horse but what would you think a 9 year old $13,000 TB's life insurance would be?""
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Loraine Texas Cheap car insurance quotes zip 79532
I live on Long Island who has the cheapest car insurance ?
I tried all the big guys the quotes are the same .who is the cheapest of cheap with no extras?
I want to go to school to learn about car insurance.?
How do I find courses or schooling that can teach me about car insurance
Cheap insurance companies in Calgary Alberta?
What is a good cheap insurance companies in Calgary, Alberta?""
Is there dental insurance with the Affordable Health Care Act?
Is there dental insurance with the Affordable Health Care Act?
How much should I expect to get from my insurance company?
My car was totaled off. It was a 96 Suzuki Esteem. It was rebuilt after a previous total loss. Its in decent condition externally and it ran fine until the most recent accident. There is however a small hole in the front bumper from where I hit a hitch of a truck. They have deducted 600$ from what they are willing to pay me for my car. I understand that this question is probably pretty vague, but I'm not looking for a very specific answer. Just an idea of what I should be expecting back.""
Advice needed on Car Insurance?
I'm a 18 sixth form student who is learning to drive. I am currently looking at getting car insurance to make it easier to pass and then for afterwards but what would work out cheaper? - Get insurance on my mums car fully comp, as she doesnt want it wrecked! - Or buy a cheap little car for under 1000, and then insure it third party, to get my no claims bonus. Just ideas would be appreciated as well as advice. Cheers!""
Is insurance required to keep a valid Florida driver's license if I dont own nor drive a car?
I am not currently driving nor do is there a vehicle under my name. If i do drive it will be a friend or girlfriends car. Will the florida dmv suspend my license now that I have been removed from my parents insurance?
Are company's allowed to bump up your no claims for you so you get cheaper insurance ?
A family member of mine bought a car last year from a dealership and bought the insurance through them for ease, they hadn't had a car for a few years and so lost there no claims bonus however it would seem that the company put that he had a 5 years no claim bonus on anyway so that he would get his insurance cheaper, is this legal ? Also a year has now passed and so they are looking to get insurance somewhere else because other places offer even cheaper prices, however the insurance company are saying if he moves to another insurer they will say he only has 1 year no claims, but if he stays with them he can keep his 5 years no claims and that seems a little bit shifty to. This isn't really a question but still any input on the matter would be brilliant, thanks.""
How much have your insurance rates gone down since the affordable care act (0bamacare) has passed?
You know , making it more affordable to keep the coverage you want ? Bonus question . How has the Medicare your parents paid into their whole lives improved their ...show more""
""Two Cars, Two Insurance Companies?""
I'm 17 and I just got my G2 Licence. I'm thinking of getting my own car, however it is going to cost me a a fortune to insure my own car. Is it possible for my father to have 2 cars but with 2 different insurance companies and put me as a secondary driver for one of the cars?""
How much would car insurance cost for me? roughly?
Right, im going to be driving before christmas and i was just wondering, instead of going through all the fiff faff of looking on the internet for a quote. I was just curious, from a very rough idea how much it would cost per year to insure me. Il be a 20 year old guy by the time i pass my test.never driven before. first time on the road.""
How do I go about finding people who are interested in getting auto insurance?
I am a sales producer for an auto company who everyone who doesn't live under a rock has heard of. I am wondering how you would want to be approached in a daily setting that would make you think about auto insurance or want to get a quote from me, and what about that quote would be the selling point is price wasn't an issue?""
Buying a car in California?
I'm moving to California next week and I would like to sell my car here in NC. I will pay cash for a vehicle at a dealership when I arrive in L.A. When I buy it, do I have to have a CA drivers license? I will not have a permenent address right away, so I was wondering what the procedures are? I have a NC drivers license but will not establish residency in California until I find a job. Any help? Thanks""
Drive without car insurance?
My car insurance just expired I can't reinstate it until I get paid on friday I only have 88 dollars until then. I don't have to drive anywhere until then But I don't have any food or toiletries. The store is 1 mi each way from my house I don't have anyone to take me to the store. Would I likely be ok if I took myself?
Can you put someone's car on your insurance so they don't have to pay a higher rate for their own coverage?
I have this elderly friend whose kids and grandkids require her financial help. She feels she has to buy cars for them to drive because, according to them, they can't own cars without losing social service benefits. Then she adds these cars to her insurance policy and gives them to these people to drive. She's in a huge financial bind, and I'm worried she's going to get into legal trouble on top of her financial problems. She can't afford to insure the people driving the cars because of their driving records and credit history. Is this legal? Insuring the vehicles without insuring the drivers? I know when my kids became driving age, I was required to add them to the policy or exclude them as drivers. But these are adults in their 20s and 40s that are driving cars registered to her and insured for her.""
How cheap is car insurance for a 16 year-old Floridian boy driving a 2010 Mitsubishi Lancer?
I'm a 16 yo dude in Florida wanting car insurance for my 2010 Mitsubishi Lancer and I have never gotten any ticket of any kind. I have not violated any rules....yet.
Why is my insurance quote 10 times higher than last year?
So, i got my motorcycle license last summer and bought a 2003 Kawasaki ZX6R for $5000. My insurance from Progressive was $1700 for the year (full coverage). I rode it for two months before it got stolen. In those two months i got one ticket for straddling lanes. Once the bike got stolen i got all my money back. Now, I'm looking to get the same bike again. I just called Progressive and they want $6056 per year for full coverage!!!! And if i were to buy a brand new 2007 model it would be $10000!! So, $6056 for a $5000 bike? And $10000 for a $9000 bike? What gives? One ticket and the theft did this? I don't get it. What are my options?""
About how much would it be for car insurance for a 18 year old girl?
female no accidents new driver in school working
Can i freeze my car insurance?
Hi i am from ireland, and i am insured with Quinn insurance, I am 20. I am goin travelling for a few months in February. I am insured under my fathers policy, but he doesnt drive my car as he has his own van. I have to pay nearly 1000 at the end of January to insure my car but i am wondering could i freeze my insurance and pay for it when i get back. During my time away i am also going to try sell the car. so any help please.""
Car insurance / liability coverage?
My brother, who is insured with a different company, had an accident with my car. There were 3 cars involved in the accident. He hit the first car in the back which hit the second car and so forth. I don't know whether it was his fault or not, and we did not informed my brother's insurance because it was my car that was crash. The problem now is that, I have only had basic coverage, and my insurance is telling me that my liability coverage ($5000) can cover only one car, meaning that I have to take care of the 2 others cars. So I am wandering what should I do? Please advice""
Rough cost of car insurance for 46 year old woman in UK?
Rough cost of car insurance for 46 year old woman in UK?
How long after not having sr22 insurance does your license gets suspended?
My boyfriend is required to have sr22 but the guy that he was getting insurance from hasnt been in his office for weeks and we cant get a hold of him. Its been like four or five days since he hasnt had it and im just wondering if his license would be suspended by now and what do we do about this? Because it wasnt even my boyfriends fault.
Whats the cheapest car insurance company?
in your opinion?
Car insurance renewal?
my car insurance renewal is due on the 22 of this month. but i'm 200 dollars short. can i call them and give them a post dated check for a week later
Do car rental companies ask for proof of insurance?
Here's my circumstances, I'm 22(have credit card in my name) and am going to rent a vehicle. I had insurance for 4-5 years, have never been at an at fault accident and have one speeding ticket, so I'm a pretty good driver, when gas was near $4.00 I traded in my vehicle, and it's fine as I bike everywhere as it's all close to me. I'm having family over for a couple days and need a car though, it's easy to drive around town, I'm almost 100% sure I wont get in a wreck, but I have a feeling the insurance would be more expensive than the rental itself which is ridiculous for someone with a driving record such as mine. Can I say purchase just liability and then sign something that says I'll pay for the rental if I do any damages, what would be the cheapest way to get out of this?""
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Loraine Texas Cheap car insurance quotes zip 79532
How can I get reliable insurance ratings?
I have been with Nationwide Insurance for 21 years. Your normal every day insurance can never come close to their rates and Nationwide has always had outstanding service. As we all know, money is lean these days so there are two companies I want to check out. I'm thinking about getting quotes from USAA because I am a veteran and California Casualty Insurance because, as a teacher, I get a discount through SCEA. My fear is that even though those 2 might end up cheaper, I might get a huge downgrade in service. So I'm looking for information on both companies, especially if there is a good, unbiased source on the internet. I need to cover 5 cars (including 3 teenage drivers) and 2 boats.""
Does State Farm charge higher auto rates for older drivers?
Does a low deductible plus an older driver result in higher charges for auto insurance coverage for liability and collision rates? The driver also has a clean driving record.Thank you for your response.This is for North Carolina.
I'm gonna be late on my State Farm car Insurance?
I have to pay the 6 month one and I'm late on it, I was supposed to pay for it today and it was my fault because I won't be having my paycheck til next week, on Friday. Do you think they will let me have an extension for the payment and if so, Do you think they will let me have the extension for 9 days? Please lmk, thanks.""
""How much, on average, would car insurance be raised if I added a 16 1/2 year old driver?
The vehicle would be an onld 1996 minivan.
Car insurance car change?
I am struggling to pay my insurance so if I change my insurance to a cheaper car smaller engine will my insurance go down a month, and would I keep the same policy to get my nyc bonus as I'm half way through, and does anyone one in how much to change your car details to another car with admiral or cancel your insurance price with admiral""
Will my parent's car insurance go up if I get my drivers license?
Ok I am 17 years old and will turn 18 soon. I have a lerners permit at the moment. My parents have Geico auto insurance and they will not let me get my drivers license because they said their rates would go up as long as I live at home and they can't afford to pay for my insurance. I called geico and they said it would go up,and they asked me what vehicle I would be driving. I told them that I don't have a car, and they said you have to be assigned to a car as a 'part time driver'. But the problem is, I don't need a car right now, I can drive a motorcycle. In the state of florida, motorcycle insurance is not required, but a class e drivers license is required to operate the motorcycle. So if I get my drivers license, why should my parents car insurance go up if I were to drive a motorcycle that does not require insurance at all?""
Insurance with 6 points?
Hi, I would like to get a car because I'm nearly 17 and I have 6 points on my license for letting someone ride my moped in an empty car park. Does anyone know where I could get insurance, so far I have been quoted 6500""
How would one categorize those who will not have health insurance after Obamacare officially starts?
Considering that it will be law that everyone must have health insurance. What of those who will not have insurance and did not for whatever reason sign up for the government plan? How will Obamacare address them?
Do insurance companies raise premiums based on points or violations?
I have two tickets one for stop sign, and one for speeding. My question is which one should I turn in my traffic school certificate with to erase the point. I know they are both 1 point violations on my dmv record. Will it make a difference to my insurance rates? By the way I have USAA.""
Should i get home insurance as a home owner or a rental ?
i own a house and i rent out part of it . i pay about 925 per year. i am moving out of state should i switch to rental property rather then owner occupied insurance ? which one is better or cheaper
Are hearing aids covered by health insurance?
Since I was born, I've had a hearing problem on my left ear that I have to go to the audiologist for every year, and every year they say my ability to hear in it goes down by a fragment. I'm 16 now, and in high school, and they originally tried to get me to get hearing aids in 6th grade, but I threw a fit because I was afraid people would make fun of me, and they haven't brought it up since. This year I'm really noticing that my hearing is shot. I'm constantly asking people to repeat things, and whenever someone says something to me and I'm not looking at their mouth, it's all a jumbled mess. If there are a lot of people talking, and someone is standing directly in front of me, but I'm not looking at their mouth, I miss probably a fifth of what they say. I've been thinking about getting hearing aids, but I was wondered if they were covered by insurance. My mom gets the insurance through Fl Hospital, if that helps, and as I'm just now looking into it, I don't know many more details about it.""
How much does Geico car insurance cost?
How much does Geico car insurance cost?
How does car insurance work?
Okay, I'm 17 and I'm getting my first car this summer, maybe June. Thing is, I am only going to have my car from this June until March or April of 2009. The reason for that is that I'm moving to Mexico on one of those months. I would actually have liked not to buy my car now but I'm going to have to because where I live, there's absolutely no public transportation. (I live in the northern part of Texas.) I graduate high school in a couple of weeks and need to get to and from work. Up to now I had been working but work was pretty close and my aunt (which I live with) gave me rides. She's getting a job now too so I can't really be dependant on any one and I don't want to at all either. My big question here is... when I get my car, does car insurance come with a contract or something? I won't be here for a year so if it does, what's the minimum plan available? I will also be with my aunt's insurance so I will be included in their plan or however that works..""
Switching Auto insurance company?
Hi, I want to switch my auto insurance company to a cheaper company. my renewable starts Sept 25, can i cancel my current insurance and switch to a new cheaper one now? Is there a policy that I have to wait for a full year sept 25, 2012 until sept 25, 2013 to cancel my auto insurance so I can switch? Thanks""
How much will it cost for an 18 year old to insure a BMW M3?
I am an 18 year old, I've just passed my car test and I want a 2002 - 2004 BMW M3 (1.8 - 2.0l) I will not settle for anything less better-looking than a BMW. I also just passed my full motorcycle test 2 months ago. I have 2 years no claims bonus for my Motorcycle insurance since I started riding at the age of 16. I'm planning to sell my current motorcycle and buy a reasonable BMW M3 priced around 2-3k I was wondering what kind of insurance I should be expecting? I have got way more experience on the roads than any other 18 year old out there; but I'm not so sure that the insurance companies will take in mind my 2 years NCB on my motorcycle. Either way; how much could I be expecting to pay? I'm going to be insured as the 2nd driver and hopefully not pay more than 4k anually? The comparison websites are just bull crap, they are quoting my prices of over 20k, even for a small ford ka. I know I know big car young driver - but please just answer my question :) Thanks in advance.""
Where can I find affordable health insurance for me and my family?
How can I find affordable heatlh insurance for me and my family? We are currently unemployed with no health insurance.
Motorcycle insurance/registration in IL?
Do I need insurance to register my motorcycle in the state of IL? I know I don't need insurance to register it at the currency exchange, but it's cheaper at the DMV so I rather go there, I just don't know if I need proof of insurance.""
Can you get a car without insurance?
b/c im getting a car without insurance
Rental car insurance?
I am going on vacation, and I need to rent a car to drive. I have insurance through state farm, but dont have full coverage. If I am renting, I would like to have full coverage on the rental car, BUT the insurance from enterprise is WAY TOO expensive. I will end up doubling the price for the week. Does anyone know of any other ways to get insurance for a rental car without going through the rental car agency? I keep hearing about something called Unlimited Non-Owned Car Coverage, but I dont think state farm has that because I dont see it on their website. Any suggestions would be a great help.""
Would my car insurance rates go up if I switch?
I'm insured with geico but I've found a better deal with esurance. I can't afford to pay both. I want to cancel with geico and start over with esurance before the geico policy cancels. If I did this would esurance charge me a higher rate? I know it will effect my credit negatively.
What kind of motorcycle should I get? Is insurance expensive?
I recently got a job about an hour away and would like to make my commute cheaper. I was thinking of buying a motorcycle for $3500 or less but I have never done this before. I want to know what would be the best for the size person I am. I am 6'5 and 300 lbs. So i need a big bike. Also is insurance generally more expensive than car insurance or not? Any suggestions will help me know what to look for. Thank you
6month CHEAP car insurance.! plz help?
hi, iam looking for a 6month cheap insurance policy plan for my bf's blazer. the court says he has to have sr22 with a 6month policy... if not he will go to jail. we have found one where 1200 is the cheapest at the moment but i would like to know if there is anything cheaper.""
Car insurance for young men in the uk... unfair?
I'm a 19 year old guy living in the UK.. and I get SO annoyed at how much more guys have to pay for car insurance. I understand that it's because some guys my age decide to drive like complete a*se holes, but that doesn't mean all guys do?.. and I really resent paying more, just because of the boy racers. Yes, most fast drivers are teenage boys. However, this doesn't mean that most of teenage boys are fast drivers. I drive a Hyundai Getz for crying out loud.. I'm not going to go racing in it! Grr! I simply cannot afford to insure it under my own name at my age. What does everyone else think? Personally, I think it's pretty sexist against young men, and I think there should be a test of some sort which we could take which could prove our innocence and drop the costs.. Does anyone know how much a lie detector test for the question I am a safe driver would cost?""
California health insurance?
I am looking to get health insurance for a year, more to take care of neglected issues than to cover my butt if I get sick/hurt (I'm 27, betting on youth and good health!). Kaiser seems to be the most appealing because they cover a broader range of services. I am namely interested in physical therapy (winged scapula), dermatology (oily skin/acne), perhaps mental illness services as I have suffered from depression (although I somewhat consider it a problem of my past). I'm aware insurance plans won't cover preexisting conditions, but how can they really prove these issues didn't start yesterday, right? I'm overwhelmed with my choices. Is it worth paying $330/mo for $0 deductible, 0% coinsurance, $40 co pays and a max out of pocket @ $3000? Or is it smarter to pay $166/mo, $2700 deductible, 0% coinsurance, $0 co pays after deductible, and max out of pocket @ $5000 (including deductible)? Etc. I have put off getting insurance because I'm scared I will pick a completely inappropriate plan. Can anyone shed some light on this for me?""
Should I buy earthquake insurance in california?
I've lived in the Bay Area for 20 years and never purchased earthquake insurance for my home. I heard rates were going down, and AAA quoted me a rate of nearly $1200 for earthquake coverage- there is 75,000 deductible, and they will cover up to $525,000 to rebuild. What is the consensus on this issue?""
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viralnewstime · 6 years
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A data set of more than 3 million Facebook users and a variety of their personal details collected by Cambridge researchers was available for anyone to download for some four years, New Scientist reports. It’s likely only one of many places where such huge sets of personal data collected during a period of permissive Facebook access terms have been obtainable.
The data were collected as part of a personality test, myPersonality, which, according to its own wiki (now taken down), was operational from 2007 to 2012, but new data was added as late as August of 2016. It started as a side project by the Cambridge Psychometrics Centre’s David Stillwell (now deputy director there), but graduated to a more organized research effort later. The project “has close academic links,” the site explains, “however, it is a standalone business.” (Presumably for liability purposes; the group never charged for access to the data.)
Though “Cambridge” is in the name, there’s no real connection to Cambridge Analytica, just a very tenuous one through Aleksandr Kogan, which is explained below.
Like other quiz apps, it requested consent to access the user’s profile (friends’ data was not collected), which combined with responses to questionnaires produced a rich data set with entries for millions of users. Data collected included demographics, status updates, some profile pictures, likes and lots more, but not private messages or data from friends.
Exactly how many users are affected is a bit difficult to say: the wiki claims the database holds 6 million test results from 4 million profiles (hence the headline), though only 3.1 million sets of personality scores are in the set and far less data points are available on certain metrics, such as employer or school. At any rate, the total number is on that order, though the same data is not available for every user.
Although the data is stripped of identifying information, such as the user’s actual name, the volume and breadth of it makes the set susceptible to de-anonymization, for lack of a better term. (I should add there is no evidence that this has actually occurred; simple anonymizing processes on rich data sets are just fundamentally more vulnerable to this kind of reassembly effort.)
This data set was available via a wiki to credentialed academics who had to agree to the team’s own terms of service. It was used by hundreds of researchers from dozens of institutions and companies for numerous papers and projects, including some from Google, Microsoft, Yahoo and even Facebook itself. (I asked the latter about this curious occurrence, and a representative told me that two researchers listed signed up for the data before working there; it’s unclear why in that case the name I saw would list Facebook as their affiliation, but there you have it.)
This in itself is in violation of Facebook’s terms of service, which ostensibly prohibited the distribution of such data to third parties. As we’ve seen over the last year or so, however, it appears to have exerted almost no effort at all in enforcing this policy, as hundreds (potentially thousands) of apps were plainly and seemingly proudly violating the terms by sharing data sets gleaned from Facebook users.
In the case of myPersonality, the data was supposed to be distributed only to actual researchers; Stillwell and his collaborator at the time, Michal Kosinski, personally vetted applications, which had to list the data they needed and why, as this sample application shows:
I am a full-time faculty member. [IF YOU ARE A STUDENT PLEASE HAVE YOU SUPERVISOR REQUEST ACCESS TO THE DATA FOR YOU.] I read and agree with the myPersonality Database Terms of Use. [SERIOUSLY, PLEASE DO READ IT.] I will take responsibility for the use of the data by any students in my research group.
I am planning to use the following variables: * [LIST THE VARIABLES YOU INTEND TO * USE AND TELL US HOW * YOU PLAN TO ANALYZE THEM.]
One lecturer, however, published their credentials on GitHub in order to allow their students to use the data. Those credentials were available to anyone searching for access to the myPersonality database for, as New Scientist estimates, about four years.
This seems to demonstrate the laxity with which Facebook was policing the data it supposedly guarded. Once that data left company premises, there was no way for the company to control it in the first place, but the fact that a set of millions of entries was being sent to any academic who asked, and anyone who had a publicly listed username and password, suggests it wasn’t even trying.
A Facebook researcher actually requested the data in violation of his own company’s policies. I’m not sure what to conclude from that, other than that the company was utterly uninterested in securing sets like this and far more concerned with providing against any future liability. After all, if the app was in violation, Facebook can simply suspend it — as the company did last month, by the way — and lay the whole burden on the violator.
“We suspended the myPersonality app almost a month ago because we believe that it may have violated Facebook’s policies,” said Facebook’s VP of product partnerships, Ime Archibong, in a statement. “We are currently investigating the app, and if myPersonality refuses to cooperate or fails our audit, we will ban it.”
In a statement provided to TechCrunch, David Stillwell defended the myPersonality project’s data collection and distribution.
“myPersonality collaborators have published more than 100 social science research papers on important topics that advance our understanding of the growing use and impact of social networks,” he said. “We believe that academic research benefits from properly controlled sharing of anonymised data among the research community.”
In a separate email, Michal Kosinski also emphasized the importance of the published research based on their data set. Here’s a recent example looking into how people assess their own personalities versus how those who know them do, and how a computer trained to do so performs.
From the research paper based on myPersonality’s database. The computer performed almost as well as a spouse.
“Facebook has been aware of and has encouraged our research since at least 2011,” the statement continued. It’s hard to square this with Facebook’s allegation that the project was suspended for policy violations based on the language of its redistribution terms, which is how a company spokesperson explained it to me. The likely explanation is that Facebook never looked closely until this type of profile data sharing became unpopular, and usage and distribution among academics came under closer scrutiny.
Stillwell said (and the Centre has specifically explained) that Aleksandr Kogan was not in fact associated with the project; he was, however, one of the collaborators who received access to the data like those at other institutions. He apparently certified that he did not use this data in his SCL and Cambridge Analytica dealings.
The statement also says that the newest data is six years old, which seems substantially accurate from what I can tell except, for a set of nearly 800,000 users’ data regarding the 2015 rainbow profile picture filter campaign, added in August 2016. That doesn’t change much, but I thought it worth noting.
Facebook has suspended hundreds of apps and services and is investigating thousands more after it became clear in the Cambridge Analytica case that data collected from its users for one purpose was being redeployed for all sorts of purposes by actors nefarious and otherwise. One is a separate endeavor from the Cambridge Psychometrics Centre called Apply Magic Sauce; I asked the researchers about the connection between it and myPersonality data.
The takeaway from the small sample of these suspensions and collection methods that have been made public suggest that during its most permissive period (up until 2014 or so) Facebook allowed the data of countless users (the totals will only increase) to escape its authority, and that data is still out there, totally out of the company’s control and being used by anyone for just about anything.
Researchers working with user data provided with consent aren’t the enemy, but the total inability of Facebook (and to a certain extent the researchers themselves) to exert any kind of meaningful control over that data is indicative of grave missteps in digital privacy.
Ultimately it seems that Facebook should be the one taking responsibility for this massive oversight, but as Mark Zuckerberg’s performance in the Capitol emphasized, it’s not really clear what taking responsibility looks like other than an appearance of contrition and promises to do better.
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sheminecrafts · 6 years
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Anyone could download Cambridge researchers’ 4-million-user Facebook data set for years
A data set of more than 3 million Facebook users and a variety of their personal details collected by Cambridge researchers was available for anyone to download for some four years, New Scientist reports. It’s likely only one of many places where such huge sets of personal data collected during a period of permissive Facebook access terms have been obtainable.
The data were collected as part of a personality test, myPersonality, which, according to its own wiki (now taken down), was operational from 2007 to 2012, but new data was added as late as August of 2016. It started as a side project by the Cambridge Psychometrics Centre’s David Stillwell (now deputy director there), but graduated to a more organized research effort later. The project “has close academic links,” the site explains, “however, it is a standalone business.” (Presumably for liability purposes; the group never charged for access to the data.)
Though “Cambridge” is in the name, there’s no real connection to Cambridge Analytica, just a very tenuous one through Aleksandr Kogan, which is explained below.
Like other quiz apps, it requested consent to access the user’s profile (friends’ data was not collected), which combined with responses to questionnaires produced a rich data set with entries for millions of users. Data collected included demographics, status updates, some profile pictures, likes and lots more, but not private messages or data from friends.
Exactly how many users are affected is a bit difficult to say: the wiki claims the database holds 6 million test results from 4 million profiles (hence the headline), though only 3.1 million sets of personality scores are in the set and far less data points are available on certain metrics, such as employer or school. At any rate, the total number is on that order, though the same data is not available for every user.
Although the data is stripped of identifying information, such as the user’s actual name, the volume and breadth of it makes the set susceptible to de-anonymization, for lack of a better term. (I should add there is no evidence that this has actually occurred; simple anonymizing processes on rich data sets are just fundamentally more vulnerable to this kind of reassembly effort.)
This data set was available via a wiki to credentialed academics who had to agree to the team’s own terms of service. It was used by hundreds of researchers from dozens of institutions and companies for numerous papers and projects, including some from Google, Microsoft, Yahoo and even Facebook itself. (I asked the latter about this curious occurrence, and a representative told me that two researchers listed signed up for the data before working there; it’s unclear why in that case the name I saw would list Facebook as their affiliation, but there you have it.)
This in itself is in violation of Facebook’s terms of service, which ostensibly prohibited the distribution of such data to third parties. As we’ve seen over the last year or so, however, it appears to have exerted almost no effort at all in enforcing this policy, as hundreds (potentially thousands) of apps were plainly and seemingly proudly violating the terms by sharing data sets gleaned from Facebook users.
In the case of myPersonality, the data was supposed to be distributed only to actual researchers; Stillwell and his collaborator at the time, Michal Kosinski, personally vetted applications, which had to list the data they needed and why, as this sample application shows:
I am a full-time faculty member. [IF YOU ARE A STUDENT PLEASE HAVE YOU SUPERVISOR REQUEST ACCESS TO THE DATA FOR YOU.] I read and agree with the myPersonality Database Terms of Use. [SERIOUSLY, PLEASE DO READ IT.] I will take responsibility for the use of the data by any students in my research group.
I am planning to use the following variables: * [LIST THE VARIABLES YOU INTEND TO * USE AND TELL US HOW * YOU PLAN TO ANALYZE THEM.]
One lecturer, however, published their credentials on GitHub in order to allow their students to use the data. Those credentials were available to anyone searching for access to the myPersonality database for, as New Scientist estimates, about four years.
This seems to demonstrate the laxity with which Facebook was policing the data it supposedly guarded. Once that data left company premises, there was no way for the company to control it in the first place, but the fact that a set of millions of entries was being sent to any academic who asked, and anyone who had a publicly listed username and password, suggests it wasn’t even trying.
A Facebook researcher actually requested the data in violation of his own company’s policies. I’m not sure what to conclude from that, other than that the company was utterly uninterested in securing sets like this and far more concerned with providing against any future liability. After all, if the app was in violation, Facebook can simply suspend it — as the company did last month, by the way — and lay the whole burden on the violator.
“We suspended the myPersonality app almost a month ago because we believe that it may have violated Facebook’s policies,” said Facebook’s VP of product partnerships, Ime Archibong, in a statement. “We are currently investigating the app, and if myPersonality refuses to cooperate or fails our audit, we will ban it.”
In a statement provided to TechCrunch, David Stillwell defended the myPersonality project’s data collection and distribution.
“myPersonality collaborators have published more than 100 social science research papers on important topics that advance our understanding of the growing use and impact of social networks,” he said. “We believe that academic research benefits from properly controlled sharing of anonymised data among the research community.”
In a separate email, Michal Kosinski also emphasized the importance of the published research based on their data set. Here’s a recent example looking into how people assess their own personalities versus how those who know them do, and how a computer trained to do so performs.
From the research paper based on myPersonality’s database. The computer performed almost as well as a spouse.
“Facebook has been aware of and has encouraged our research since at least 2011,” the statement continued. It’s hard to square this with Facebook’s allegation that the project was suspended for policy violations based on the language of its redistribution terms, which is how a company spokesperson explained it to me. The likely explanation is that Facebook never looked closely until this type of profile data sharing became unpopular, and usage and distribution among academics came under closer scrutiny.
Stillwell said (and the Centre has specifically explained) that Aleksandr Kogan was not in fact associated with the project; he was, however, one of the collaborators who received access to the data like those at other institutions. He apparently certified that he did not use this data in his SCL and Cambridge Analytica dealings.
The statement also says that the newest data is six years old, which seems substantially accurate from what I can tell except, for a set of nearly 800,000 users’ data regarding the 2015 rainbow profile picture filter campaign, added in August 2016. That doesn’t change much, but I thought it worth noting.
Facebook has suspended hundreds of apps and services and is investigating thousands more after it became clear in the Cambridge Analytica case that data collected from its users for one purpose was being redeployed for all sorts of purposes by actors nefarious and otherwise. One is a separate endeavor from the Cambridge Psychometrics Centre called Apply Magic Sauce; I asked the researchers about the connection between it and myPersonality data.
The takeaway from the small sample of these suspensions and collection methods that have been made public suggest that during its most permissive period (up until 2014 or so) Facebook allowed the data of countless users (the totals will only increase) to escape its authority, and that data is still out there, totally out of the company’s control and being used by anyone for just about anything.
Researchers working with user data provided with consent aren’t the enemy, but the total inability of Facebook (and to a certain extent the researchers themselves) to exert any kind of meaningful control over that data is indicative of grave missteps in digital privacy.
Ultimately it seems that Facebook should be the one taking responsibility for this massive oversight, but as Mark Zuckerberg’s performance in the Capitol emphasized, it’s not really clear what taking responsibility looks like other than an appearance of contrition and promises to do better.
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theinvinciblenoob · 6 years
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A dataset of over 3 million Facebook users and a variety of their personal details collected by Cambridge researchers was available for anyone to download for some four years, New Scientist reports. It’s likely only one of many places where such huge sets of personal data collected during a period of permissive Facebook access terms have been obtainable.
The data were collected as part of a personality test, myPersonality, which according to its own wiki (now taken down) was operational from 2007 to 2012, but new data was added as late as August of 2016. It started as a side project by the Cambridge Psychometrics Centre’s David Stillwell (now deputy director there), but graduated to a more organized research effort later. The project “has close academic links,” the site explains, “however, it is a standalone business.” (Presumably for liability purposes; the group never charged for access to the data.)
Though “Cambridge” is in the name, there’s no real connection to Cambridge Analytica, just a very tenuous one through Aleksandr Kogan, of which below.
Like other quiz apps, it requested consent to access the user’s profile (friends’ data was not collected), which combined with responses to questionnaires produced a rich dataset with entries for millions of users. Data collected included demographics, status updates, some profile pictures, likes, and lots more, but not private messages or data from friends.
Exactly how many users are affected is a bit difficult to say: the wiki claims the database holds 6 million test results from 4 million profiles (hence the headline), though only 3.1 million sets of personality scores are in the set and far less data points are available on certain metrics such as employer or school. At any rate the total number is on that order, though the same data is not available for every user.
Although the data is stripped of identifying information such as the user’s actual name, the volume and breadth of it makes the set susceptible to de-anonymization, for lack of a better term. (I should add there is no evidence that this has actually occurred; simple anonymizing processes on rich data sets are just fundamentally more vulnerable to this kind of reassembly effort.)
This dataset was available via a wiki to credentialed academics who had to agree to the team’s own terms of service. It was used by hundreds of researchers from dozens of institutions and companies for numerous papers and projects, including some from Google, Microsoft, Yahoo, and even Facebook itself. (I’ve asked the latter about this rather curious occurrence.)
This in itself is in violation of Facebook’s terms of service, which ostensibly prohibited the distribution of such data to third parties. As we’ve seen over the last year or so, however, it appears to have exerted almost no effort at all in enforcing this policy, as hundreds (potentially thousands) of apps were plainly and seemingly proudly violating the terms by sharing datasets gleaned from Facebook users.
In the case of myPersonality, the data was supposed to be distributed only to actual researchers; Stillwell and his collaborator at the time Michal Kosinski personally vetted applications, which had to list the data they needed and why, as this sample application shows:
I am a full-time faculty member. [IF YOU ARE A STUDENT PLEASE HAVE YOU SUPERVISOR REQUEST ACCESS TO THE DATA FOR YOU.] I read and agree with the myPersonality Database Terms of Use. [SERIOUSLY, PLEASE DO READ IT.] I will take responsibility for the use of the data by any students in my research group.
I am planning to use the following variables: * [LIST THE VARIABLES YOU INTEND TO * USE AND TELL US HOW * YOU PLAN TO ANALYZE THEM.]
One lecturer, however, published their credentials on Github in order to allow their students to use the data. Those credentials were available to anyone searching for access to the myPersonality database for, as New Scientist estimates, about four years.
This seems to demonstrate the laxity with which Facebook was policing the data it supposedly guarded. Once that data left company premises, there was no way for the company to control it in the first place, but the fact that a set of millions of entries was being sent to any academic who asked, and anyone who had a publicly listed username and password, suggests it wasn’t even trying.
A Facebook researcher actually requested the data in violation of his own company’s policies. I’m not sure what to conclude from that other than that the company was utterly uninterested in securing sets like this and far more concerned with providing against any future liability. After all, if the app was in violation, Facebook can simply suspend it — as the company did last month, by the way — and lay the whole burden on the violator.
“We suspended the myPersonality app almost a month ago because we believe that it may have violated Facebook’s policies,” said Facebook’s VP of product partnerships, Ime Archibong, in a statement. “We are currently investigating the app, and if myPersonality refuses to cooperate or fails our audit, we will ban it.”
In a statement provided to TechCrunch, David Stillwell defended the myPersonality project’s data collection and distribution.
“myPersonality collaborators have published more than 100 social science research papers on important topics that advance our understanding of the growing use and impact of social networks,” he said. “We believe that academic research benefits from properly controlled sharing of anonymised data among the research community.”
In a separate email, Michal Kosinski also emphasized the importance of the published research based on their dataset. Here’s a recent example looking into how people assess their own personalities versus how those who know them do, and how a computer trained to do so performs.
From the research paper based on myPersonality’s database. The computer performed almost as well as a spouse.
“Facebook has been aware of and has encouraged our research since at least 2011,” the statement continued. It’s hard to square this with Facebook’s allegation that the project was suspended for policy violations based on the language of its redistribution terms, which is how a company spokesperson explained it to me. The likely explanation is that Facebook never looked closely until this type of profile data sharing became unpopular, and usage and distribution among academics came under closer scrutiny.
Stillwell said (and the Centre has specifically explained) that Aleksandr Kogan was not in fact associated with the project; he was, however, one of the collaborators who received access to the data like those at other institutions. He apparently certified that he did not use this data in his SCL and Cambridge Analytica dealings.
The statement also says that the newest data is 6 years old, which seems substantially accurate from what I can tell except for a set of nearly 800K users’ data regarding the 2015 rainbow profile picture filter campaign, added in August 2016. That doesn’t change much but I thought it worth noting.
Facebook has suspended hundreds of apps and services and is investigating thousands more after it became clear in the Cambridge Analytica case that data collected from its users for one purpose was being redeployed for all sorts of purposes by actors nefarious and otherwise. One is a separate endeavor from the Cambridge Psychometrics Centre called Apply Magic Sauce; I asked the researchers about the connection between it and myPersonality data.
The takeaway from the small sample of these suspensions and collection methods that have been made public suggest that during its most permissive period (up until 2014 or so) Facebook allowed the data of countless users (the totals will only increase) to escape its authority, and that data is still out there, totally out of the company’s control and being used by anyone for just about anything.
Researchers working with user data provided with consent aren’t the enemy, but the total inability of Facebook (and to a certain extent the researchers themselves) to exert any kind of meaningful control over that data is indicative of grave missteps in digital privacy.
Ultimately it seems that Facebook should be the one taking responsibility for this massive oversight, but as Mark Zuckerberg’s performance in the capitol emphasized, it’s not really clear what taking responsibility looks like other than an appearance of contrition and promises to do better.
via TechCrunch
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inactiveheart · 8 years
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January 10th, 2017
"I hope this is a phase"
Well, at the moment, my life is a sack of shit, um, probably I'm being an ungrateful little bitch or maybe I'm just not seeing its good sides, but its just the way I'm seeing it now, and not exactly because don't want to, it's just that it doesn't matter how hard i try to focus on the good things, the bad ones just seem to get all over the place.
If you would've asked me 3 years ago how did i saw myself today, i would've probably answered that i expected this years to be the best years of my life, i expected them to be memorable, to be full of stories, because in my mind, being older, meant to be free, and I thought i was going to be able to go out and experiment new sensations, meet new people and know new places. But I haven't, at all.
Its not much time before my senior year comes to an end and normally people tend to have awesome stories by now, but when it comes to me, my life has been boring as hell. It has been harder than I thought, not referring to responsibilities and shit, but to my emotions, they're mad strong now, and they weren't like that a year ago. 2016 hit me like a truck, for real. It was my hardest year yet, i guess because i'm older now i can notice things around me that I didn't before, but I'm worried because, as a 17 year old, life is not supposed to feel like this? I shouldn't be worried about so much stuff, i should be enjoying my last years as a teenager that supposedly, doesn't know responsibilities yet, i should be partying every weekend, getting drunk and regretting it next day. Or i guess thats how i pictured this years to be, and I would've preferred it that way, even when its not a good thing to do. This year i go into university and I haven't lived, not even a little.
Im at this stage of life in which you're a "irresponsible teenager that doesn't seem to follow rules or doesn't know how to take anything seriously", controlled by their parents and treated like a fucking kid, but don't worry because at the same time, you're expected to act independently, like an adult, and take one of the most important choices in your life, but remember, you had to ask for permission to go to the bathroom a month before. Oh, and don't forget, your problems won't matter because you're a teenager that doesn't have real problems.
My parents have been my biggest problem so far, they've been everything, but the support i need right now. They just know how to be strict for no reason, they just know how to complain about me doing nothing at the same time they don't allow me to do anything.. I know? Wtf. My dad treats me like a fucking 5 year old that doesn't know how to walk yet. My mom's nicer but she still can be annoying as fuck but at least her i can handle, but its still nothing because my dad is the big mouth, he says and you do, so even if she wanted me to do whatever, there's not much power in her hands. And I'm not the typical teenager that wants to go to the club, get wasted and hookup with the hottest guy, i just want a little bit of trust from them, i just want to feel like i can count on them, i don't want to be afraid of them flipping out when i tell them something, i want to be able to introduce a boyfriend without my father treating him like a dog. Im still young and have my whole life in front of me, but I'm just afraid of things being like this forever, because from 2 years back, they've just became harder and harder as I've grown.
But if you ask me what i hate the most, is just that everyone seems to underestimate me, and i hate it. It bothers me so much when people think I'm someone who doesn't know how to act for herself or doesn't know how to defend herself, like I'm on a constant need of someone telling me what to do and how to do it. I appreciate advice and recommendations, for real, i love when people tell me things that have happened and take time to give me sum gud old advice, because im a firm believer that cheesy ass saying "you learn from your mistakes". But i do not appreciate being talked to like I'm a fucking 4 year old that doesn't know what's going on.
Lately my life's been a mix of all that, all that I've mentioned before, with insecurities, anxiety and oh, don't forget the stress. Im a sack of tears. Im just doing my best holding it together and i guess I've done well, for a long time, but it has come to not even having energy to fake it through my day.. but ill keep positive, i guess this is just a phase, or at least thats what i hope it is.
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