#and then i became an atheist

[sagesskies]

Hii! Been a while!

How has your day been? I hope it's been good so far!

I've been into Angel's recently and in one of the videos I watched about Abaddon the angel of Destruction — it said he is the ruler of the bottomless pit(presumably hell), it made me wonder if Lucifer is just a prince or somehow in someway he's still the king. Abaddon himself is a mystery, since he is never mentioned in the Bible but in another book I completely forgot about, but he used to be described as a place, his name is often used to refer to hell; "The fires of Abaddon"(or something along those lines) being the most popular so far. I like to think Abaddon IS hell, he's both a person and a place - I think his real form is hell itself, and his angel form is just a normal being, but that doesn't explain how he holds the key to hell if he's hell himself, and it's weird to think demons live inside him(creepy way to describe that)

Lucifer on the other hand is well known, fell from grace and all those things I completely forgotten about. But does he really count as the king of hell when Abaddon is the embodiment OF hell and the ruler OF hell, I guess if you put it that way.. he rules over hell but not hell itself?? I don't know how to describe it but, he rules the metaphorical place named hell but not the demon's inside hell???? But if we go with my idea on him being both hell and angel, wouldn't that mean he does both rule hell and hell itself?

I wanted to know your thoughts about this, since we all know Lucifer is the first angel to be thrown out of heaven — but some books did state that Abaddon had been the one to trap Lucifer in hell, and that he owns the key to hell, so wouldn't that count as him being the king of hell?? Idk really, my brain rot rn is just angels! Sorry if this is very long :(

��� 🫚 Annon who isn't Christian just fascinated with Demonology and Angels!

🫚 anon, Abaddon is actually referenced in the bible (At least the in the copy that I own: The New American Bible), specifically in Revelations 9:11, as the fifth trumpet, as well as in Job 26:6. What I'd prefer to focus on is the former.

In Revelations, there are 7 trumpets are sounded by 7 angels that are set to cue events that occur during the apocalypse. 7 angels. Based off of this Abaddon is a person. However, that does not mean that Abaddon can't also be a place, just like how Hades can refer to the Greek God, as well the Underworld which he rules over.

Furthermore, he is an angel, not a fallen one, but an angel that continues to serve God, so it would fit what you stated that some book reference that Abaddon has the keys to hell, which would have been presumably given to him by God created to punish demons and fallen angels. (he is also the one to release the scorpions that torture whoever doesn't have the seal of God: keynote: torture not kill. This is important because God forbids murder, thus by abiding by this, Abaddon continues to serve and listen to God.)

Now, think of what hell is. It is the home of demons and sinners. But that is where they are sent as punishment by God. That is where Satan and all the fallen angels are trapped. Satan may rule over Hell, but it is just as much his prison as it is the sinners.

So the way I interpret this is that Abaddon is not so much a ruler over Hell, but something more like a prison warden.

[notreallysureyett]

Shout out to all the "weird" and unconventional pro-lifers out there.

[texaschainsawmascara]

I love how I’m an atheist & my dad’s way of hoping I change is that I experience something really terrible in order to believe :) no hate like Catholic love<3

[thethiefandtheairbender]

thinking about how one of the core tenets of proshipping / being anti censorship is "you have to slow down, stop, think about what's actually happening (or not happening) in / because of the work of fiction, not judging it solely just by how you feel about it" but sometimes how rarely that gets transferred over in actually engaging with the text before labelling it as bad / unsatisfactory. this doesn't mean the text can't be 'bad' or dissatisfying, but... taking time to get there and remaining grounded, with the caveat "this isn't for me but that doesn't necessarily mean it's Bad™" y'know?

[rabbits-of-negative-euphoria]

Sorry man, the world and especially children are gonna get more secular and corrupted. The time of christianity was yesterday

Ah, but you mistake the goal. The goal is not to preserve the Christian culture. The Christian culture died in the 1960s (if not the 1860s). The goal is to conquer secular culture again.

[grandaddy-of-all-liars]

mr. bitterness

[rigginsstreet]

one of the craziest things about stranger things? none of these people are ever in church

it took 4 seasons for yall to get a crazy christian on the show?

be serious right now

[weebotaku21]

I always knew my bestie was kind of a rebel but watching her renounce her religion especially coming from a conservative Muslim family was something I did not expect but I respect her decision

[gilsart]

your art of feliciano and lovino is gorgeous i adore the feral edge you gave them lol, and the little details - freckles, earrings, bandaids and dark undereyes are amazing as hints about how they live and their personalities. also since they're both wearing crosses im curious about how religious you think they both could be? I'm guessing it's something that would change over the years and could be a touchy subject if one is more religious than the other.

hi!! thank you first of all 🥺

i think both of them are religious, most people here are catholic. there certainly is a sprinkle of religious trauma here and there tho, we do have the vatican state after all... and even though it is a whole different nation from italy, with its laws and all, it still influences our politics (which really shouldn't happen).

i always thought of romano to be more religious than feliciano is, he probably does attend church every sunday, whereas feliciano doesn't – he keeps his faith more private. it is touchy, but i don't think they fight over it or even discuss it. with all the things that happened because of religion, i don't think they want to continue arguing over how many times you should pray a day and all.

[arataka-reigen]

My mom's house is a few houses away from the church we used to go to when I was a kid and every sunday morning you can hear their singing and that brings me such an indescribable bad feeling whenever i'm over at my mom's on sunday

[goosemixtapes]

my cyclical joker moment is that every few years i remember how good the gone series would have been if michael grant didn't hate disabled people

[ciphertology]

i never got to read his dark materials series as a kid because my mom thought it was atheist propaganda so i feel like i missed the wagon there. i love seeing it as AU though v fun concepts

[angstydevil]

Christ is the population of the world,

and every object as well. There is no room

for hypocrisy. Why use bitter soup for healing

when sweet water is everywhere?

originally by Jalāl al-Dīn Muḥammad Rūmī, quoted from The Essential Rumi translated by Coleman Barks

[bumblebeehug]

yay i got a new lamp today. celebrate the small things

[ramyeonguksu]

The talk about a Hubert/Mercedes support reminds me: Hubert's post-ts advice box note also implies that he used to be religious, so that would have been interesting to explore in a support between them.

Good point!

I think what made Hubert be anti-theist (idk if that's the right word) is that he's experienced and seen the evil humans and other living beings had the capacity of performing more than what could be considered "divine". First he saw his own father betray everything he taught him by taking part of the Insurrection and then saw what TWSITD did to Edelgard and overall how they puppeteered the empire from behind the scenes.

I think it would be somewhat difficult for him to talk about that kind of stuff with Mercedes without revealing too much, but it would be interesting for a conversation between someone who's very devoted and someone who lost faith in a deity.

[tiredtriedfailures]

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