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I don't like to post about this stuff publicly but I'm tired of seeing ppl interact with this person while also following me, so I want to let you all know that if you follow/interact with Saturnflower841 then unfollow and block me.
They're very, very vocal about being a prshipper on here, in fact it doesn't even take a lot of scrolling to find the stuff they're talking about. Recently they posted a ship chart saying that they ship parentxchild and siblingxsibling and if you scroll further you can find even more. On top of that, on their twitter (Saturnstuff20), they broke other peoples boundaries by following people who had prship DNI in bio. This is not a callout, do NOT go into their askbox or anything it does literally nothing. This is more of an awareness post for my sake of mind and for anyone who doesn't know. If you do know and keep interacting then block me because I don't want you here.
#clemramble#kind of. idk this is a bit more serious#im leaving the o out of the word so it cant be word searched because i am not wanting to fight people over this#in fact the only reason im posting about this publicly instead of just dming people is because ive noticed it just keeps happening#both on here and on twt.#and im not comfortable having ppl interact with me and them at the same time#im not sure if people just dont check the blogs they like/reblog from or if they dont care#but if youre the latter then im going to need you to hop off my page rn. this isnt a space for ppl who are neutral or are apart of it#and thats like one of the only things im very strict about in my boundaries#this is mainly for the ttcc fandom bc theyve been getting more active in it
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Toshiro/Shuro is overhated
(mirror of my thread on twitter)
ever wanted to talk abt something so bad but u have so many thoughts so u cant even begin to organize a sentence. thats me abt shuro and its why i cant give my thoughts on him. i NEED to get this out of my system bc its takign up so much memory in my brain i need that space for thinking.
so i was really surprised to find so much hate for him even tho he seems pretty normal and rational out of the whole cast. ive deducted that its mostly abt his laios fight and that the ppl who hate him probably had bad experiences w social cues and relationships w neurotypicals bc of that. theres no way to avoid it bc its pretty much Right In Your Face that laios is ND. but thats not the only factor in why their relationship is rocky. its also the culture barrier. u have to understand toshiro was raised as JAPANESE NOBILITY ofc he would be a little conservative
also culture shock. idk if u know this but jp culture is very Mind Your Own Business like a lot of other asian cultures . ofc hes gonna be weirded out by a stranger invading his space. also his names not even Shuro. its just yt ppl not pronouncing his name right and settling for whats easiest.
img src: fan translation by savaralyn2 , i think its from the adventurers bible Complete Edition bc i dont remember it in the old one
ok you get the gist of the culture aspect of it. lets go into the ND/NT clash aspect of it. yes i understand its pretty hurtful to never be told when youre acting inappropriately. i am autistic too lmao. but you have to understand that shiro is one guy and he even does realize that repressing things is one of his fatal flaws. again. asian culture. non confrontational. that sorta thing. but these are genuine frustrations. if i were him id be annoyed too but id speak out about it. set boundaries. bc im blunt. shiros not. he was taught crazy strict manners (hierarchies, respect, politeness, etc).
his problem isnt ableism its a culmination of culture barriers, how he was raised to behave, and terrible lack of communication as thing caused by "all of the above" plus he just generally keeps to himself a lot which means repressing frustrations that will explode leading to a pathetic fistfight while hes starved, exhausted, and dehydrated. also. if he was ableist he would hate laios. he doesnt hate laios. at the end of the day, they are friends. NT and ND ppl can be friends u know. there will be rifts (like their fight) but you just have to communicate misunderstandings. theyre gonna be fine lol
anyways that was my whole spiel abt it. i think i got everything out that i wanted to? my head still feels a little full so i may add more later when i remember something
also i think its a little unfair to rule out the possibility of laios and him just being 2 very different kinds of ND bc its very common for misunderstandings to occur even then. EVERYONE IS DIFFERENT BUT WE NEED TO COMMUNICATE TO UNDERSTAND EACH OTHER! but for the sake of interpreting the Fight as a commentary on NT social rules and ND frustration, ill say toshiros NT. will we ever know? hes so far in the sidelines... youd really have to dig in the extra content to see the intricacies of his character.... please give him a chance
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Hewooo, good morninggg!
ask game time ✨
For Caine: Philia 4 + Storge 3 in the context of tbe farm or tia elena
For Cyrus: Eros 1 + Storge 4 (sibling au ✨) + Philautia 4
im probably a few hours late when i finish answering this, but morning idle :D! hope you had a good one
Philia 4. Is your OC able to build close friendships with people very different from themselves? Perhaps in terms of culture, age or personality?
i was thinking about this yesterday on my way home from uni actually. the answer is yes, but with one baseline requirement: anybody they become close with needs to be able to ground them in one way or another. mortum and argent are possible, he appreciates their bluntness and strict boundaries. he likes to listen to mortum and occasionally bounce off ideas with her. he already holds respect for argent, and given time, she couldve grown to be a trusted confidante. however, they want to keep mortum as a purely business relationship at the moment, and argent already scared them off before anything could happen. heralds not getting any further than coach or "he seems nice", they like him but they get a headache whenever theyre in a room with him for too long. other than that, anybody goes. hes not picky.
Storge 3. How far does parental approval (imagined or expressed) impact upon their current sense of self-worth? What might they sacrifice or attempt to achieve in order to ensure the approval of their parents?
the answer varies wildly for either, so ill answer for both. in the case of tia elena, parental approval is a bit shocking to him, like with most relationship dynamics. they like it, they just cant fathom the fact that theyre getting percieved, much less in a positive light. hed do a lot to get more, its fascinating to him and it makes him feel like hes doing a good job. but its something they can easily give up if the situation calls for it (aka theyre my only step tia elenas 'im-not-mad-im-just-disappointed' look wouldnt work on).
the farm is...a very different story. they were made to be a tool, and if its a tool they want, a tool they shall get. before their escape he was very single-minded when accomplishing missions. get the job done in any way possible. consequences arent for him to worry about, he only needs to worry about if they mess up. which they wont. they make sure of it. after their escape he leans less into that mindset, but its difficult to let go of, and still bleeds into his relationships most of the time. they dont like to think about the fact they wouldve sacrificed anything for the farm back then, and that theyre not sure they wouldnt sacrifice anything now if the right people asked it from them.
Eros 1. Is your OC romantic in the traditional sense? Do they enjoy giving or receiving gifts of flowers or confectionary? Or are there other courtship traditions from their culture of origin that are important to them?
nobody but him is allowed to be romantic. thats it thats the answer were moving on
in all seriousness, he does do traditionally romantic things alot, though most of them are for the reaction, not courtesy. roses and flowers are a common way for him to try and fluster his dates, and the two people hes dated are both sappy suckers so its worked most of the time. the exception is gift giving, because most of his gifts are handmade, so he tries not to make a big deal about it. unfortunately, his partners always do.
receiving romantic gestures should be something hes used to at this point, but hes not, so it always catches him off gaurd. its embarrassing, but the most embarrassing part is that he gets strangely touched by it. he probably still has a teddy gifted to him thats never seeing the light of day. oh, and chocolates are always welcome. thats just good food.
Storge 4. Does your OC have any siblings? If so then did their parents have a favourite growing up? Has their relationship with their sibling changed in adulthood? If they don't have any siblings then do they perhaps feel they have missed out on an important relationship? Do they have any especially close friends who go some way towards filling that role?
sibling au time✨
does the farm have the normal version of a favourite?? no. do they have a favourite 'im gonna fuck them up for fun' sibling? yes and thats fawn. north is a bastard and he frequently makes cyrus dream of murder. as for how their relationships all changed, cyrus used to be closer to his siblings. a Lot closer. of course, the farm changed that. he became cruel and harsh, which fawn couldnt connect with. even with river who wants to be evil, cyrus became obsessive about control after heartbreak, which i dont think river appreciates. his mental imprint changed extremely, and he started shielding around them. needless to say their relationship was estranged for a good while, but cyrus can never stay away from the people he cares about.
Storge 5. Which of your OC's qualities makes them the most proud? Do they think more people should be like them in this regard? Or do they quite like being rare in possessing it?
hes proudest of his ability to stay logical and composed, unaffected by emotions. that last part isnt true btw, but he gets to believe it to feel better about himself. hes able to think things through and do what needs to be done without external influence. he thinks itd be easier for everybody if they were more like him, but secretly, hes relieved that theyre not. itd get less people hurt, but the poison is addicting, yk? if people were as logical as he wanted them to be, ortega and herald (and maybe mortum, the verdict is pending) wouldve dropped him by now, yet persistent assholes that they are, they stay with him anyway. he likes the trade-off.
questions are from here!
#caine lynzal#cyrus becker#caine needs more friends#revelation please give them the chance to get more friends#arde and vera are good contenders but id have to see more of them to decide#also i unintentionally sold myself on an argent/caine dynamic#rev please let me give argent another chance i swear caine wont be a pussy this time 🙏🙏🙏#cyrus keeps clowning on the people he dates for being mushy losers#but he cannot face the fact that He is a mushy loser#coward#also since cyrus/river dynamic with control was brought up again:#i need to point out that river has 82% leadership (last i saw it) and cyrus has under 60#the dynamic shift wouldve thrown cyrus for a Loop#imagine getting ordered sround by your baby sibling and him being good at it#cyrus is never living that down#cyrus becker(s)#nmoc: fawn becker(s)#nmoc: river becker(s)#they were mentioned so they get to go in there too#pulp answers#ask game#thank you for the ask idle :)
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What are your top 5 Ougi scenes/appearances?
good ask to send me than,k you
starting from 5 well i guess i dont really have like a strict order except for maybe the top one i dont know i dont know i love all of them actually im just gonna do it in chrono order
um spoilers of course dont read this if u havent finished the whole anime (the whole anime!) there will be screencaps...
okay if im going chronoogically i must give my hat to owarimonogtari part 1. wait FUCK theres so many scenes in that shit.......... im gonna be running out of space damnit.... well to summarize it BRIEFLY... (how the fuck do you even summarize it briefly my feelings are large and want to burst out of my chest)... ougis sinister leading araragi down dark paths and poking at his past and knowing the deal but playing-dumbery and antics are just amazing. and shes so cool as she does it how did she get to be that cool! evil and cool.... thats the summary but the scene i would want to talk about is of course the showdown with hanekawa (the first one i guess). uh bc its like really funny? the showdown is great its such a fun buildup of tension and they're like passive-aggressive/plain-aggressive-but-still-loosely-following-social-boundaries trying fighting each other... its great. i think in the light novels when hanekawa says 'but i would have done a better job' ougis smile freezes. you can hear the glass break. you can just hear her in her head shes going like ".......................bitch,? so that's how you wanna play it?" i wish that got animated sometimes. and also of course. it ends how it ends.
its an incredible moment because literally the moment she says this you're like ah. i see. so ougi loses. LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
LIKE GG NO RE 😭😭😭😭😭😭 SORRY OUGI YOU LOST.... DONMAI ITS OK DONT WORRY ABOUT IT. YOU DONT EVEN HAVE TO SEE ANYTHING AFTER ITS LIKE AH. GOTCHA. i was rooting for her to win when i was watching but... this was just so funny. the best way for things to have gone i think.
its also so good how she stands there after like. fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck.......... usually ougi is the one doing things to people and its funny but this is also just so hilarious its done so well.
i also want to talk about otori, because ougi in otori is very cool. my first time watching otori i was very in tune with nadeko so hearing ougi do a kinda takedown of her was a very interesting experience for me. she was very sinister and severe and foreboding...... very fun. and of course when it turns out she's been tugging at the strings..... heeheehee THATS SO COOL. i mean looking at these scenes like some of these shots are so cool.
^ the face of someone so evil......
ok going later
i never see people talking about this one but the scene in hitagi rendevous in owari ge that happens on the second episode after the ending is like. oogh. its like the big instance before the finale proper in ougi dark where the show starts fucking slapping you in the face screaming "PAY ATTENTION THERE'S SOMETHING IMPORTANT HAPPENING HERE"
like this shot this FUCKING SHOT. is it just me? is it just me am i the only one who feels acute pain at this? there's something about it thats just so............... like somethings wrong. like thats what i feel like something is wrong and im concerned for this person you feel me?
shes so tired trying to get his attention and do her job and all that shes pressing the doorbell laying down... and then she sees him and goes like 'im exhausted' and just keeps girlbossing like. and like asks araragi (from her perspective) not to kill her and hes just like no and shes just like damn that sucks oh well lol. like imagine being alive for 6 months having no home (shes laying on the god damn nameplate of his house augh...) and knowing full well you're about to die, the things youre seeing now will be some of the last things you ever experience before your consciousness is gone forever (bc she isnt going to hell shes being erased). that's so cool and awesome (horrifying). anyway ougi doesnt care shes got a job to do X) (shes so insane i love her)
also that home thing and the tiredness thing is one of the big things i wrote ougi stay about so ill just take the chance to plug it if ur still reading this go read my fic! i like it a lot i think its nice. its mostly funny but it also talks about this stuff too a bit. go read it
ok next.
dont know whether to count the different parts of this scene as separate or not but i think it shouldnt be separated bc its all important to the scene and that is OF COURSE: ougi dark starting with ougi's convo with tsukihi (the build up… it's oddly calm so you feel somewhat reassured but you KNOW something's going to happen… the buildup of tension starts here and keeps rising). the contents of that conversation, near the end are like, really cool things to be included because up until that point we still dont have SO much insight as to who ougi is but she opens up a bit to tsukihi here and its kind of a paradigm shift to see.
there's something so poignant about this fraught mood...
such an ougi way of talking about one's feelings about oneself...
at least for me when i was watching i was already like, kinda rooting for ougi bc i wanted bad things to happen to araragi (lol) but also like. ougis just so insanely entertaining and fun that like, uh obviously i would root for her here. so when this fun silly funny little fun character starts bustin out the:
its like woah wait huh back up hold on a second there. i care you>???????
like literally the whole confrontation with ougi and araragi it is just like oh no since when did i care about this character so much oh no oh god oh fuck...
like how come they gotta hit me with all these gut punches what did i do to deserve this
like whats so cool about it is with how its directed and the score (and the voice acting!! the seiyuu did an INCREDIBLE job) and everything you can tell shes scared but like again shes actually insane so she's just gonna be like yeah this is the right way for things to happen
(it seems a lot like she did all this wanting the outcome of her losing to araragi, at least to me. hanekawa also says so in the commentary tracks of ougi dark. so thats another layer. theres so many layers... i dont know how many of these layers people pick up on but by golly do i pick up on them)
and of course he saves her (imagine if he didnt? id kill him. WAIT ACTUALLY THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE LIKE "ARARAGI SHOULDNT HAVE SAVED HER" NEVER GO ON THE REDDIT DISCORD SERVER FOR MONOGATARI PEOPLE ACTUALLY THINK THIS WAY IM LITERALLY GOING TO KILL THEM ITS SO. ok i wont talk about it), and she gets mad and its like i KNEW you were putting up a bold front you had emotions this whole time and then its like. oh you had emotions this whole time and you were totally aware of everything and just kinda had to deal with it thats kinda fucked up (i think a lot about how being an oddity born of self-criticism necessarily means you have to be self-aware and how that leads to ougi being a kind of exceptional type of oddity and like how it ties into identity and like... all that stuff). but the emotional breakdown/outburst is so good... augggghhghhh its so good 😭😭😭
(like i think sometimes about how if they had done this wrong, it would feel out of place for ougis generally not-emotion-showing character/not emotional in general character, but they did it so well... its so good)
and of COURSE to cap off this perfect beautiful wonderful scene we get THE GWEH AKA THE PEAK OF FICTION. IT DOESNT GET BETTER THAN THIS. NO IM NOT JOKING. LITERALLY WHEN I SAW THIS I HAD AN EPIPHANY. NOT JUST BECAUSE ITS ADORABLE BUT BECAUSE ITS LIKE HOLY SHIT INTUITIVELY A PART OF ME UNDERSTANDS. THIS *IS* **THE** BEST CHARACTER. and i went to go pace around my room being hype about it. im not joking really bc the novel talks about it being like "an utterly unattractive true-to-life" groan or something that proves she has "substance" which is like... yeah! she's her own person! not just made of lies or w/e!! the gweh actually ties everything together in such a perfect way and i am physically incapable of remaining in bad mood after i see it. i saw it the first time and i was like :O -> :) -> :DDDDDDDDDD and that hasn't changed since it will always put a smile on my face 😌
also also ougi in zoku owari is incredible too so good. the TEEHEE THE TEEHEE IS SO AMAZING. like YEAH!!!! YOURE A LITTLE ROTTEN PRANKSTER TEEHEE!!!!!! YEAH!!!! TRICKSTER TIME TIME TO BE TRICKY A TRICKY LITTLE TRICKSTER YEAH!!!!!!!!!!! and we get more classic ougi exposition/explanation..... havent talked about this as much but their ideas are so interesting.... theyre so interesting and cool i would pay to hear them share ideas about things.............. anyway one other thing i really appreciate about this scene is the shared intimacy between ougi and araragi. it feels more personal yk. this sorta comfortable, natural, thoughtless intimacy is something i absolutely adore about their dynamic but it basically only happens right here in zoku owari, and not even so much in the light novel version. its interesting... i want to write about it. im GOING to write about it mark my words
also honorable mention to ougi in hanamonogatari. theres nothing like big enough about these scenes to mention in comparison with the rest of them bc theyre so short but. BOY OUGI YEAHHHHHHHHHHH HES TRANS WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO i saw that and i was like >:) yeah kanbaru wym hes been a boy this whole time >:)))) don't misgender him god...... >:))))))))))))) (AND HE LOOKS SO COOL THEY ANIMATED HIM SO COOL BC HES IN BOYMODE HES SUCH A BOY FUCK YEAH)
also fuck i didnt talk about the whole planetarium dream scene. that was also good.
ummm yeah i could just talk about this forever and keep talking about scenes and stuff but ill leave it here bc u said 5 and ive already technically named like 7 at least so. yeah. but i dont really have like a ranking order necessarily, except for ougi dark bc its just so so so SO good.
thank you for enabling my derangement ive been writing this since u sent it to me im so ougipilled right now you wouldnt even believe. im ougi wired.
#slamming the table only a little bit#im not insane i promise#ougiposting#monogatari#spoilers#oshino ougi#i did actually scream though#hope no one heard that#the best part is that i always have different things to say at different points in time#these are like my favorite scenes but each time i look at them i can come out with a different takeaway#so good..............#i should write an ougi manifesto#an ougifesto#hehe that sounds like a festival#i should do that too#idk what id put in it#probably a lot of this#owarimonogatari#owarimonogatari ge#otorimonogatari#hanamonogatari#zoku owarimonogatari#god looking back on what ive written here it doesnt even feel like enough to express how i feel about it all...... its all so . jrgwlkjgalg#anyway yeah cool woo whee ougi yahoo yeah wa ha ha
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a lot of historical costumers loved or at the very least understood the costumes of season 1 and 2 though. they understood it wasnt meant to be accurate but fun and still invoked the time period though general silhouette. the only complaint i heard was one person wishing they do more with the guys clothing. but season 3 went too far. it apparently destroyed the silhouette, the hair was off, the makeup was too much.
so what, you say, the clothes have never been right before! i dont study regency clothes nor do i watch Bridgerton so i cant speak for that but i did once read a history fantasy webtoon. it wasnt set to an era besides old and the clothes was all over the place silhouette wise and the hair was never up much less covered and they had more makeup than was available and the less said about the shoes the better but it was ok because this was fantasy. until that dreaded episode. the female lead had been upstaging her opponent in clothing every episode and this time when she ripped off her floor length coat she revealed a dress with a mini skirt. it was terrible and the plot had her in pants the previous show off. i knew historically the only people that could get away with a hem anywhere that high were children. expect that even then she was missing important layers. so there the main character stood in the equivalent to a diaper. i could not continue reading. i loved that story and gave it a lot of fashion leway but that one scene took me out like a well placed bullet between the eyes. because they set the precedence of acceptable fashion and that was not it. it broke my suspension of disbelief more than the magic even if of the two, mini skirts are real.
the problem seems to be not that they dont understand how costuming works. they were fine with earlier seasons. but it seems that season 3 strayed too far from the rules season 1 set, and they knew enough about the subject that it bothered them even when others were fine. so dont say that historical customers do not care for work if its not accurate. they know about when its not the point. they know about not having the time or money. they seemed to be most bothered when things are clearly going for historical but are sloppily done. having all the layers but clearly no corset. having no shift underneath the corset. the dreaded corset tightening scene. having a singular character with their hair down when they are fashion conscious/have strict parents because g l o w u p. everyone being accurate but the bad guys are dressed head to toe in biker gang leather. there are other shows that established boundaries far from accurate from the get go and stick with them that have been pretty much beloved by historical customers. the great comes to mind.
this happens with all people with their special interests. im officially banned from watching movies that ive already read the book to. my sister cannot watch movies primarily about mental illnesses because she studied those and the misrepresention has her ranting for hours on end. a friend can not do tom holland spiderman. i cannot watch teen titans go. another friend will call me to cry about inaccuracies about viking clothing when every other character in his game is historically accurate. another recently got really into horses and had her first "oh no thats the wrong horse" moment the other day and we just watched something else. if it really bothers u that much, block them. the algorithm will eventually get you dont want to see that type of thing anymore
My YT and IG keep recommending me the same person complaining about the bridgerton costumes and I'm like.... then why are you still watching it why are you putting all this time into it!!
They got invited to an official event and wore a bridgerton-style ahistorical gown as.... a gotcha? Maybe? About how BadWrong it was? And like maybe if u leaned in more to the shiny fabrics and swan wigs you'd have more fun!!
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i knew everything was gonna go to shit with joe and he crossed a boundary i set veryvery clearly TWICE. sorta mad at myself for still wanting to be friends with him, when he doesnt even have interest in me? motherfucker was just so goddamn eager to go see someone else... which is sort of a reduction of what actually happened but actions speak louder than words
was having a whole breakdown thinking i caught feelings or somethn but i sorta had a meltdown and established that he has no interest in trying again cause he’s “afraid he’ll hurt me again” (cop out) but now I feel pretty okay since thats like... a sense of closure if nothing else
think i sorta hate him rn but that’ll probably pass
my therapist is pretty sure hes someone who auto-self-destructs anytime something gets comfortable. and today joe told me that he panicked because he didn’t know where things would be going with me leaving... idfk. earlier he also told me that he “doesn’t date friends cause then they might not be friends anymore” AFTER ENDING THE FRIENDSHIP SO HE CAN GO DATE PEOPLE???? AND RELATING TO ME OVER BEING DEMI??? how does someone who is demi not date friends idgi
i think im over it, hopefully. he’s not worth the time, he’s so fucking cajught up in how terrrrrrrrible he feels that he didnt even want to take the very fucking obvious solution of just doing the ONE THING I ASKED and giving me a few weeks to prepare for things to change, because i am AUTISTIC AND DONT PROCESS ABRUPT ENDINGS VERY WELL. FOR FUCK’S SAKE. I WAS SO STRICT ABOUT THIS RULE *THAT HE’D ALREADY BROKEN ONCE BEFORE AND APOLOGIZED PROFUSEFULY FOR* smdh @ myself for thinking it’d be a one time thing
he’s all “i made a massive mistake” you couldve fucking made it right easily dude but noooooooo i get to suffer because you are constantly thinking only about your own fucking feelings
i’m gonna stop before i work myself up again. needed to “journal” and fuck knows im not picking up a pen. but, hopefully, im over it now. maybe ill want to be friends again. kind of want to forget he exists since I dont love it when someone I’m seeing decides they’d rather drop me unexpectedly to go find someone else to be with (not... someone they found... to go find someone they DONT KNOW YET). idgaf that he was “in a bad headspace” and “got restless” or whatfucking ever... which? he said he wasn’t even unhappy? I DONT FUCKING GET IT. THIS DIDNT HAVE TO HURT ME.. my mental health sucks too doesnt mean you get to treat me like shit and not do the one fucking thing i made very clear was a hard rule for me.
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More on The Mandalorian Season 2 and Why its so Frustrating and Also Why Lucas Film Should Just Hire Me as a Writer Goddman it coz this is My Blog and I have Feelings™
Okay so again, this pertains to the finale of The Mandalorian Season 2 so............ spoiler warning.
Lets talk about Dins face
I feel like that final scene, when [redacted] came in and took Grogu away to train as a Real Jedi rang really hollow. It didnt feel rushed so much, but it just felt really anticlimactic. We all knew it was coming (sure we didn’t know for sure it would be [redacted] but we knew someone was going to come get Grogu) but even with that knowledge, they had real potential to make the scene super emotional and touching, which the final cut just didn’t really have and heres why.
Most of the emotion was supposed to come from Din taking off his helmet to let Grogu see his face. Baby Yoda had never seen his Adopted Dads face before, and this moment was set up to be a really touching moment of connection and vulnerability. But it was dampened by the fact that we had already seen his face, multiple times, and in detail. We the audience. And because of that, we couldn’t relate to what Grogu must have been feeling in that moment.
Like, for Grogu, that must have been such a Big Deal yk? He’s spent so much time with this man, they’d been through so much together at this point, but he hadn’t even seen his face because of the very strict Mando Creed that Din had been raised under (the cult or not cult thing is a discussion for another time btw.) So this must have been huge for him. For Din to finally make the decision that Grogu was more important than his Creed... thats a huge thing!
But! For us, the audience, Din removing is helmet was old news by now. He’d taken it off twice before (in Season 1 with the droid, and then in Season 2 at the Imperial Stronghold (dont even get me STARTED on that craptastic episode)) so we didn’t have that sense of anticipation or importance. We were very much treated like we werent in that moment with them, and I find that hugely underwhelming.
So here’s how I think it should have gone, because that moment could have been set up perfectly all throughout the series.
Din very much could have taken his helmet off the first time, with the Droid. The whole arc there was about What Makes a Life, and Are Droids Counted as Living Things right? The Mando cult Creed dictates that no other living being can see the face of a Mandalorian (with very very few exceptions, and with death being preferable to being exposed.) And the argument in that moment is that the Droid is a machine and not technically a living thing, even tho it acts and behaves like a living thing, and is capable of the same “emotion” as a human. In the end, the Helmet comes off, and we are left to make up our own minds about whether this is a violation of the Creed or not - that was my take away.
But by allowing us, the audience, to see Dins face also calls into question our own place in the Mandalorian Universe. Are we Living Beings here? Apparently not, according to this we’re not a part of the scene at all, which is a decision I disagree with because, as I said above, it dampens the emotional potential of the entire show. Allowing us to be an exception to the Strict Mandalorian cult Creed limits the use and/or very purpose of the Creed at all.
How I believe that scene should have gone is more like this:
The Is a Droid Alive philosophy is discussed, and as they talk it becomes urgently apparent that the only way to save Din is to take the helmet off and allow the Droid to attend to Dins wounds. We see a close up shot, as we did, of the Helmet being raised, with a cut away at the crucial reveal moment - denying the audience a view of Dins face. The next shot is of the Helmet being laid down beside them, which informs us that Dins face is now definitely fully exposed, but we are not allowed to see it, which confirms our place in the Mandalorian Universe, and gives the sense that we are very much there with them in that moment.
Cut in some extreme close ups of a hair line, a patch of cheek, some disinfectant being administered, with further voice overs of the discussion, and we’re golden. The scene takes on a much more intimate feel, with a heightened sense of anticipation. We get a tease of Will We Ever See Dins Face, and are left with the question of What Will it Take to Make Him Cast Aside His Creed, which is raised in light of the knowledge that a Droid does not count, but we the audience do. We ponder this for a moment and then the next time we see The Mandalorian, hes restored to full armour, and we’re reminded that this is The Goddamn Mandalorian motherfuckers, and hes here to Fuck Shit Up with his Little Green Gremlin Child.
As for the Imperial Terminal WELL
This was a very good opportunity for a second removal, and I definitely think that part was a good choice however the execution of the scene was poor as shit.
Having Din change out of his armour was a good start, it showed us that he was Serious about finding Grogu, and that he was willing to bend the rules and push the boundaries of his Creed without technically breaking it. This was discussed pretty well in the script, so it was a strong start.
Now, again, I dont disagree with the decision to have Din remove the helmet at the terminal in order to complete the face scan and access the information he needed - in fact I agree with that part entirely. Again, is shows us how far Din is willing to go to get Grogu back, and it’s a solid recall to the What Would it Take to Have Din Cast Aside His Creed question from Season 1. Furthermore, it really drives home the fact that Din will get Grogu back at any cost. Its exciting, and emotional, and drives his character development.
So heres how I think it should have gone:
Mayfield makes his attempt, sees his former superior, and turns back. Tells Din that no, it wont work, he cant do it, just as the scene originally goes. Din says no, fuck that, I havent come this far to turn back now, Ill go do it. Mayfield says lol good luck, the terminal needs a face scan for access so have fun with that, Din hesitates, and then very deliberately makes the choice to go - this is all pretty much in the scene.
Where it differs is after the failed face scan when Din still has the helmet on. The Countdown starts, Din hesitates, clearly torn between his Creed and Grogu, and we leave him there. Next shot is of Mayfield in the doorway when he looks over and sees the back of Dins head. We see this too, and we know that holy shit the madman actually did it. Hes *exposed* and his body language tells us he knows this. Maybe throw in an extreme close up of a drop of sweat on his chin, give us a lil glimpse of his bottom lip even, more than we got the first time he took his helmet off, but still not the full thing. Really get that anticipation going, you know?
As soon as Din gets the info, and the officer dude comes over to investigate, we get a half shot of Din turning while simultaneously stuffing his helmet back on his head, and the scene continues as it did. Maybe we see the same section of chin and neck in the process, maybe we dont, but the helmet is firmly back in its place, and so are we. I strongly feel like these events would have ramped up the emotion of the scene and, like i said above, the anticipation. We got closer this time! When will be the next time? Third times the charm right, so we can conclude that the next time he takes his helmet off will be The Big Moment™ so whats it gonna take???
Lets skip to that moment now.
The Final Scene. The Big Reveal. The Reunion, and the Parting of Ways.
Imagine the series went the way I just described. Imagine that in this Final Scene of Season 2, you, personally, had not seen Dins face. You’ve watched this Mandalorian trek and fight and blast his way through the Universe, been there in the room when hes been at this most badass and his most vulnerable. You’ve come so so so close to seeing his face, of seeing him break the Creed he’s clung to for two whole seasons, but you never have. Not yet. And now you’re watching him reunite with Grogu, Baby Yoda, The Kid. The one thing in the entire Universe that Din cares most for. Its a touching and emotional scene, after the fight, after the reveal of [redacted] after it becomes clear that This Is The End.
And then... he reaches up.... is he going to??? is he going to????? HE IS!
He lifts his helmet. Theres no danger, theres no threat, theres no pressure or incentive. This is completely his choice. This is Din, The Mandalorian, raised under the Mandalorian cult Creed, choosing to reveal his face, not only to Grogu, but to everyone in the room, including you.
How much more personal is that? More intimate, more emotional. We get to experience the moment that Grogu, who we all love and care for, is experiencing. We get to feel like we’re in the room. Everyone in that room knows how Strict the Creed is. Sure, the other Mandos dont live by it, but they know what it means to Din, so even they know the sheer significance of this act.
As it is, we the audience dont get to experience this on the same level. We have to think about it after the fact, after we’ve calmed down from the hype. We’ve already seen Dins face, many times, so we dont get that same intimacy. And its a real, real shame.
#mandalorain spoilers#mando#mando spoilers#sigh#how things Should Have Been#my thoughts#alternative ending#im so disappointed#its such a shame#personal#clown on my post you will be blockethed#and dont even get me STARTED on the Ball from the Razor Crest#could you IMAGINE#din unmasked has his moment and puts grogu down and lil grogu trots off#and then after R2 and Grogu talk or whatever#they turn to leave#and din shouts WAIT#and Grogu turns back#and din fucki#he fucking...#holds out the ball and offers it to Grogu#and grogu uses the force to take it from him#just like he did those others times#and thats what tells us its all going to be okay#i am EMOTION#why cant anyone WRTIE#im cry now
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oh my, thanks for asking! ( I am confused whether you are asking me about the technical part or the progress about creating comic , I will choose the latter) I am no pro at making comics but I am eager to answer this. As you guys probably know I am into writing Slice of Life,Drama, Romance and Comedy. People do have all kinds of different styles in creating comics and mine is quite “drifting with the flow” I would say. It is completely random sometimes, and I let my hand draw out pictures and add on the conversation later. Sometimes I don’t even know what the characters is saying or will say in the next panel.
The pregnancy comic is still work in progress so let me tell you about my previous comic “CloserToYou” and “Childhood au” as an example first.
Since young, I am not good with writing down while imagining about the plot. But my mind works better if I can see the a glimpse of drawing/ sketches or expression. So I just draw.
This is the very first 4 pages I drew it out. I’ve never planned to make it over 100 pages. All I need is the key words or key point of the story as I filled in blank space between the two actions and connection all the together .That’s how I create the further plot. Thou, here I did have some ideas about the main theme and the glimpse of whole story and how i want the conversation of Sai and Ino would be.
My fav words of Sorachi Hideaki (Creator of Gintama ) is “To me, the key lines are actually those that are unimportant, and where I put in the most effort. If it weren’t for those unimportant lines creating the atmosphere, I wouldn’t be able to go with story flow or be excited, and the story key lines will end up forced. Deciding the story’s atmosphere and coming up with exciting lines are the toughest part if the creation.”
I completely agree with Sorachi. While writing down CloserToYou , I knew that I could finish it off with 6 or 7 pages with the main conversation but I really wanted to create the impact and that’s why I planned out the introduction and the ending for it.
I see as if it is kind of lacking if the character says a line without any reason behind it. If a picture says a thousand word , then a word will say thousands of meanings. And I track down those meanings,then choose one scenario which will be implying that sentence. Or I can do other way round. Every sentence is important.
The option of choices for the small conversation can be a lot more complex than the climax one. It is difficult because you have to put the right word and phrase in the right place of the conversation, one wrong choice and I get the block in my head. It feels like gears. It works only when the places are correct( only when it can create the flow directing to the main conversation) side note: that's how u can add foreshadowing as well. Also wrapping up the story is the most tricky one for me since you have to answer up all the questions and concepts you have brought up into the narratives. So I have to keep changing the ending and fixing here and there.
This was a rejected page. I planned to end as Sai put Ino’s hand on his forehead then they hold each others’ hands later.
It is good to have fixed ending so that the narrative can follow. But I would rather want to make it flexible so that nothing can restrict in your writing and It might actually be better than your original planned ending unless it falls out (way too much) from the narrative. These are just the basic facts in writing. And of course you have to keep in mind about the characters’ traits and their perception on things. The characters don’t change easily until they have one rightful reason to. And the writers need to show that reason.
But we can really play around and experiment. That’s why sometimes, I think it is really fun to let the characters talk and react freely instead of a strict planning from author.
It really help me with the creative writing style. no rules,no pressure and no boundaries. They will carry out the story and it’s like riding the flow.
This will have a little bit of spoilers on Childhood Au, (I’m just elaborating more about my writing what I mentioned above) You can skip it if you don’t wanna see spoiler xDD cuz I will be talking about the same thing.
When I first drew childhood AU, I just wanted to see emotional Sai. I want to see him angry, sad and laugh. So I drew him in a large range of different expressions on things he will react to. That’s how I started to get more Ideas about what I want to do with the story.
This is literally what I drew out together with the Part(1). Creating this Au and Imagining out Sai as a kid is really great. And I like writing Shin a lot because I don’t know about him at all and nothing is stopping me in his character choices. Same with Kid Ino and Sai’s interaction and the characters that I have never seen interacting in Canon. I have the rough Idea and drafting after I let the character do their thing as the dramas and questions which will come out from the conflicts between different personalities.These are important and interesting aspects I believe. Clearly,this is just my way of writing. And I still haven’t reached to that point in my current abandoned story. To have this part more meaning, I have been building up the characters, dropping up hints here and there that’s how you will have to create a promising narratives. And of course, the Themes have to be obvious on the story “Intro/ prologue”, “title’ and “poster” as well.
This is all for now.
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The person you had the strongest feelings for dies, do you care? I would be devastated. Even if we are no longer talking, it would destroy me to know they aren’t on this earth anymore.
Is there something you’re happy about at the moment? not really no. well, I mean I’m happy with a conversation thats happening.
Do you want someone dead? absolutely not
Do you ever wonder what your ex is up to? if it’s kile we are referring to, yeah. I’m getting a lot better putting it out of my mind. my other exes heckin no except for the other one I loved.
Have you ever fed or taken care of a stray animal? absolutely. we have adopted some from that method ahah
What is something you tend to worry about? people I care about. Like I worry that they’re safe, mentally OK, healthy, etc.
What is something you do that is unhealthy? hold on too long.
What is something you do that is good for you? I talk well about myself usually and I look for positives
What last caused you to force a smile? something in a video i thought was funny
What was the last video game you played? Was it fun? animal crossing. my controllers are SUPER whacked so it wasn’t too fun. I miss playing my games but I can’t afford new controllers yet
What is something not many people know about you? my assaults/history probably. I’m a very private person over all so i think most things people know about me are things they can see.
What word describes your basic style? classic
Have you ever been told you were going to Hell? oh a customer once told me that because they wanted a special ordered crib that day and it was a 12 week wait. so obvs a legit reason -.-
Have you ever wanted to kill yourself? .
If yes, what convinced you not to go through with it? ..
Have you ever rejected a guy, only to have him push the issue by asking “why?” and insisting that you just need to get to know him better? yessssss
Is there something that you believe everyone should do and you can’t believe that some people don’t do it (e.g., recycle or go to the dentist regularly)? brushing teeth or CHANGING THEIR SHEETS
Regarding the last good choice (healthy choice, kind choice, selfless choice, etc.) you made, what was your real motivation behind it? I made a choice to let go of a love that was destroying me. the motivation was like okay, i’m seeing he doesn’t love me, hes not going to love me. I’m spending my time, energy, and attentions to love him and I could be missing out on someone who loves me back.
What is something that you have had to practice at to get the hang of it? If you can’t think of anything, that’s okay, what’s something you are currently practicing at and trying to master? sewing
Have you ever gone to the store to buy something, like a video game, when it came out at midnight? never for me but I’ve gone with friends who were getting them -.- ridiculous
Regarding the last novel you read, was there a romance included? If so, was it central to the plot? yesssssssssssssssssssssssss and yes
Have you ever done relaxation meditations or listened to relaxation guides or positive-thinking/healing recordings? I’ve done that for school but not on my own personally
Do you have any interests that are also often shared by children? art, animated shows/movies, games
Is there something that could be a solitary activity but you really only like to do it with other people (e.g., watching movies, playing video games, etc.)? hmm, not really. I like going to tjmaxx & target better if I’m with someone.
Are you satisfied with the interior design or decoration in your home? Or do you think it needs a total home makeover? for the most part. because its not my money that pays the rent I def don’t get weird about it. but I like most ofit
Is there something that you’d like to own but you can’t find it anywhere? If not, can you a remember a time when you wanted something? Did you ever end up finding it or did you eventually stop wanting it? yes. I really want a particular type of coat but its hard to find.
Who makes you smile the most? hm. ummm... kile made me smile today he was bein a bit crass. it reminded me of how happy he used to make me. he used to be the one BY far that made me smile. these days its fairly even across the board.
What piercings do you want/have? I’d love to have my cartilage pierced again but it always gets infected because of my blood so i’m fine with what I have
What's your favorite website? probs tumblr.
Do you own a fish tank with fish? currently no
Do you like the movie 300? neverseen it.
Do you pop your knuckles? yup all the time
Do you have Photoshop? no its expensive
Do you use tinypic or photobucket? no
What’s your favourite song from the 1980s? if I had the effort I wouldlove to genuinely figure it out but I only have a quarter-butt effort rn
How about the 1990s? ^
Have you won anything recently? nerp.
How often do you make Excel tables? What for? pretty much never.
What was the last baby animal you saw in the wild? probably a bunny
Are you always available or online? I’m usually available
Do you have dietary restrictions? Or do you just eat what you like? gluten sensitivity and dairy sensitivity
Do you prefer gold, silver or steel jewelry? Or no jewelry at all? I always loved silver because I think it’s so attractive but it turns out gold is VERY nice with my skin tone and since I have had to replace all my fine jewelry from kile with cheap stuff i can afford, i buy pretty much all gold.
Have you been binge-watching any shows lately? If so, what? I was on a gilmore girls kick but right now im watching bobs burgers.
If you dye your hair, do you do it yourself or go to a salon? i loved when I used to get it done professionally but its literally several hundred dollars and I just don’t have that.
If you have any, do you like your in-laws? I don’t have any. < Same.
Would it bother you, if your partner had cut contact with their parents? yes and no. It would be hypocritical if I said omg yes, you should always be in contact with your parents --- because obviously I never ever ever talk to my dad. But for a lot of people I know.. they put so much blame on their parents for things that are fairly unjustified or unrealistic expectations for their parents to not be human-like and remain perfect. It destroys me because I have spent years crying and aching for a father figure in my life that to think some people just create unnecessary division is frustrating. However, if there is serious conflict and its a matter of safety (physical/mental) then absolutely no problem with boundaries.
Have you ever wondered whether you were adopted? hahahaha yes when I look like neither of my parents nor my siblings.
What’s the best physical feeling in the entire universe? honestly, loving and being loved.
Have you ever grown a berry bush? No
Have you done something new to your hair recently? I chopped about 15 inches off.
Do you have bad anxiety? If so, do you take any kind of medication for it? no. anxiety really has never been a problem for me, thankfully.
One thing you’ve experienced that you thought you never would have? rape
What was the last thing someone said to you that kept repeating over & over in your head? i replay conversations from my split with kile despite my desire to forget it.
How often do you have late nights out? pretty much never lol its just not my scene. I’d kind of like one or two a month but I don’t know anyone that would go out with me and it can be unsafe as a female to do so alone.
If you could, would you work from home? Do you think that would make you more or less productive? yes. I’m oriented to pretty strict self-discipline so it wouldn’t be a problem for me.
If you had the ability to change the weather, what would you change it to right now? either a really strong thunderstorm or cooooooooold weather
Is there something that you really need to do, but can’t seem to get motivated to do it? my motivation is completely there but my health is not
Most disturbing movie you have ever seen? i never remember names of them because i legit tune it out in my head.
Has a life goal or dream ever come true for you yet? If yes, what is it? If no, do you think you’ll achieve it? I always dreamt of going to college and doing well. I accomplished that (and then some!) I got into my dream colleges. I always wanted to travel by myself and I did. I always wanted to be in love and I was.
Have you ever had food poisoning? Yup.
What are you listening to? the freakin’ funniest song ever in bobs burgers -- the derek dematopolus song
Do you think there will be a WWIII? I would not be surprised. there is a lot of animosity in this world
Has anyone ever asked you if you were emo? lol no. i’m a super smiley, happy person so it wouldn’t be expected of me.
Has someone ever liked you that you never thought would? definitely. Michael always throws me off my guard that he likes me.
In all honesty, can a person be too nice? people always say yes that they get taken advantage of but I think those are two separate things. I believe you can be endlessly nice even with boundaries. I wish people aired on the side of overly nice than the typical overly rude
Has one of your friend’s boyfriends ever tried to cheat on them with you? in HS Is mental abuse really as bad as physical abuse? absolutely. the effects are devastating
Do you shop at Sephora for make-up? once in a blue moon. but only online
Zelda: Twilight Princess or Ocarina of Time? i never really played either
Do you own a rosary? no,I’m not catholic
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