#and hans is a foil to anna right like they both grew up in a home void of love but both let it affect them very differently
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Hi okay so this was originally supposed to be about the fact that I think he's a cool character that has a lot of potential that Disney ultimately fumbled but I just finished reading the novel adaptation of the movie and can someone please explain to my why they Cinderella-fied him if they didn't want me to root for his fucking redemption in the end????
Guys, it's been 11 years, and I had to finally start being honest with means, and that means being honest with y'all too by extension
I!!!!
Am a Hans stan đ
#LIKE FUCKING#BRO??????#WHAT THE FUCK?????????????#anyway I'm officially a hans defender to the day i day he better not come back in frozen 3 or 4 because i know they'll only fumble him again#hans of the southern isles#hans westergaard#not to mention the fact that his side of the story was written kinda poorly#and annas side of the story being the heroes side therefore making her lack of knowledge + hatred of hans the way the end is framed#will make you mad even if you dont come out of the story liking hans?#hans only goes to arendelle to marry as a way to escape his abusive family and in the beginning shows genuine interest in anna#so anytime he brings up his plan to take the throne it feels kinda forced#and by the middle of the story it completely pivots right#so hans is just The Bad Guy now#but every once in a while theres a reference to or mention of his family that makes you go#Oh Holy Fuck Right This Guy Is Only Here Because Of His Fucked Up Home Life#and then in the end anna is very rightfully doubting whether hans even told the truth about his family#so even though we as the reader KNOW THAT HE DID her internal monologue being the final one we read and the heroes one makes the reader go#yeah ykw how are we supposed to trust him#AS IF THE ENTIRE BEGINNING OF THE BOOK FROM HANS' PERSPECTIVE DIDNT FUCKING HAPPEN#and then also the cherry on top is that hans final thoughts in the whole book is him silently begging not to be sent back to his family#which is just like#isnt this the same studio that made fucking Cinderella#why is there no redemption laid out for this man#and in the movie its like right true love as in all forms of love thaws and heals all#and hans is a foil to anna right like they both grew up in a home void of love but both let it affect them very differently#so like. wouldnt it make SENSE. for him to begrudgingly LEARN WHAT LOVE IS. and why thats BETTER than the BITTERNESS thats CONSUMED HIM#i dont want to fucking LIKE THIS MAN#hes the VILLAIN hes an ASSHOLE#BUT WHY DID THEY D O T H I S T O H I M#okay rant done now. im just so. ugh. im so fucking mad rn what the fuck. disney fumbled so much worse than i thought. redeem hans 2k27
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A good villain is relatable
A good villain is relatable. It reminds us not to go there.
Take Hans from Frozen. Up until the pivotal moment, Hans made himself relatable and charming to Anna and the audience. How the reveal was done, jarred with the rest of his portrayal, but then again it's very Disney to have a villain motive rant. I feel he would have kissed Anna, and let her freeze into despair, but then the audience would think him the good guy, and he would have gotten away with it. That's what makes him scary. He wasn't obviously evil. He was manipulating her, and the audience through Charisma.
Gaston, is another good example, because he wouldn't be out of place in any time or day. He could fit in as a citizen of Bioshock's Columbia, just as easily as he could fit into modern AU. He is charismatic, he perpetuates discrimination, and objectifies women. He has followers, and enough public sway to whip the people into a frenzy. Â
A lot of villains are dehumanized, and dehumanizing is dangerous. It prevents you from thinking of them as people. It separates you from them, by making them less Human. Take words like Nazi, or rapist. These are bad things to be, and you would kick the ass of anyone who was one, but would you be able to recognize one, if it was a friend or family member?
Often we are blinded to the things people close to us do, because we don't want to think they are that kind of person. We don't want to see them as that.
Let's take Severus Snape and Lily Evans as an example. Snape was a racist. He grew up and joined a group that killed and tortured muggles, and a lot of wizards. He was also, someone who came to her house, with her muggle parents and sister a lot, who had eaten dinner with her, and worked on potions with her, and hung out. She put energy and time and emotional investment into him.
It took him calling her a mudblood before she pulled back. Lets equivalent that to Nigger. Or Chingchong. Whatever word relates to You. Ok, sorry, about that those.
The point is, someone she knew, and trusted, and was best friends with, called her a slur in public when she was trying to help. That's kind of shattering. And maybe he was in a bad place, but what does that mean for the other muggleborns, about her family, the neighbors that live around them back home? If it can call her that, if he thinks that about her, what does it mean for all those other people. Scary thoughts, the longer she thinks on it.
It's a betrayal of what she thought of him, because she thought he was a friend, and here he is, revealing himself a racist, and that's not friend behavior. All of his other actions were friend behavior, and he was a friend, but he was also a racist against her, and that's not something she can have in a friend.
So Lilly had a choice. She could keep being his friend, turn a blind eye, keep being his exception to his hatred of Muggleborns.
Or she could step away from being his friend, and look at the person he's become/becoming. And it's not going to be someone she necessarily likes.
Ultimately, I think she did the right thing, stepping away. Snape is a fascinating character. It is relatable to screw up, to drive people away with thoughtless and cruel words and actions. Snape did, and rather than try to change his behavior, he kept digging his hole further. Peter Pettigrew tried to hide, tried to avoid the consequences, and in doing so, escalated things further, and closing any escapes behind him. They are relatable, but without changing their behaviors they are unable to have a redemption arc. They are good for reminding us not to go there.
Pettigrew, avoided the consequences by framing someone who actually was not guilty, hiding away, and when found, ran away from the consequences again, which lead to further crimes, such as murdering innocents. The unforgivables are called such, because they need intent to perform. That  means, Peter Pettigrew wanted Cedric Diggory, a kid he had barely met, to die strongly enough that he was able to make it a reality.
Snape stayed bitter and angry and became an abuser like his father he hated. Â Not necessarily physical, but emotional. He tormented the kids he was supposed to teach, and despite being capable and innovative with potions, taught them in an anxiety inducing environment. He let his grudges colour the world he lived in, let his hatred of James colour his perception of Harry, took his anger out on other people.
To borrow a line from Dirgewithoutmusic about Snape.
âLove may have made him brave, perhaps. It had killed him, but it did not make Severus good.â
I wish we knew more about James. We know he went from a bullying teenager to a man Lily Evans could respect enough to marry. Maybe his turning point was when Sirius got Snape almost killed, or given an incurable ailment, and his friend was almost expelled or killed. Maybe it was realizing that Lily would never respect the person he is now if he kept this up. We don't see it happen. We only hear he straightened up.
We also see these reminders on Allies. Sirius Black is reckless. His reckless behavior lead to him putting both his friend, and a fellow student in danger. Snape could have been killed, and had Remus guilty of murder, and at worst killed. Snape could have been given the werewolf ailment, which could have at best led to Remus getting expelled or at worst killed. Sirius's reckless behavior led him to immediately tracking down Pettigrew, which ended with him in jail. Sirius's hatred of his house elf, and reckless words lead to his betrayal, and later his death.
He was someone who Harry considered a friend, but I don't feel I see a redemption arc. Has he changed? Does he regret it? What is he doing to fix things?
I think there is someone in the books who does a good job of fixing their mistakes. Ron. He doesn't do anything horrendous, but he is still hurtful. It hurts Harry when Ron leaves him. When Ron lets his jealousy, and insecurities rule him. When he and Hermione get into a fight over their pets. But unlike the other examples, Ron does something about it. He comes back. He apologizes. He makes up for them. It doesn't mean he won't mess up again and hurt people, but he will also come back with time and mend his bridges.
I've seen Neville compared to Peter Pettigrew, and while I understand the comparison, I see Neville as Remus Lupin. Someone who learns confidence in his time at Hogwarts. What If Ron is Peter Pettigrew's foil, and rather then run away and try to avoid his mistakes like his predecessor, he faces them and apologizes for them, reaches his hand out if the hole he has dug, and takes someones hand, not to pull them in with him, but to let them help him get out.
I started this by saying Villains should be relatable to remind us not to go there, and I want to end it by saying should be relatable to remind us how to get out of there. The art we have in our lives be it books, painting, movies, music, are all stories that teach us lessons. The best art makes us emotional, speaks to us, allows us to be sad, to be angry, or joyful, or to reflect on things. Stories teach us lessons we will use in our lives. How to deal with sadness. How to forgive. How to mend things. And yes, where the lines are.
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Back to Basics for a Designer Whose Business Got Too Tight
Scott Sternberg would prefer you not call him âquirky,â as has happened many times before. Itâs âa word people like to use for me a lot,â Mr. Sternberg said, âwhich I donât love.â
So we will not repeat the offense, further than to note that, while Mr. Sternberg may not be quirky, there he was, in all his Peter Panish youthfulness, with his penchant for stripy shirts and Polaroid film, seated in a geodesic dome of his own design as vintage monitors played the funny little videos he creates, ruminating about utopia.
If Mr. Sternberg has a quirk â letâs say for a minute that he does â it is for ginning up not just clothes (which he does) or videos (which he does) or even geodesic domes (which he has, for his labelâs first-ever pop-up, in the SoHo branch of the furniture seller Design Within Reach), but also an entire world in which all of these things come together, with its own rhythms, cadence, colors and meticulously designed aesthetic.
Mr. Sternberg, 44, is what is usually called a fashion designer, insofar as he is in the business of making and selling clothes. If you know his name, it is most likely that you remember his former label Band of Outsiders, which, from 2004 to 2015, had a profound impact on the way stylish American men dressed, squeezing them into slim shirts and skinny ties and Sperry Top-Siders: prep-school style in quotation marks, self-aware and self-effacing.
Mr. Sternberg thinks of himself less as a designer or a creative director than as a world builder. He and Band of Outsiders parted company, and his new brand, Entireworld (aha!), is less exclusive and less niche; a collection, essentially, of basics. It is clothing considered from the bottom up â one if its founding garments was a pair of underpants.
Now with a few more staples to round it out, Mr. Sternberg hopes for nothing less than to dress the entire world. A year into its life, the question is: Can he?
The Entireworld world, a fantasyland in Disney colors (Disney World is an acknowledged influence), is a cheerful, welcoming one. Mr. Sternbergâs Band of Outsider tailored jackets could once run $1,800 or more; Entireworldâs T-shirts are $32.
The same sensibility â Mr. Sternbergâs cinematic adorable â animates both. Many of the same friends who posed pro bono for guerrilla Polaroid ad campaigns are now in Instagram videos, singing, mugging or prat-falling: Jason Schwartzman, Kirsten Dunst, Andrew Garfield, Spike Jonze.
Over a series of interviews beginning in April 2018, at its inception, and continuing through Entireworldâs first year, Mr. Sternberg explained his vision of this world and how it was built on the ashes of its predecessor. In so doing, he offered a view into the tectonic shifts in the fashion industry, the instability of the high-fashion, runway model he left behind and the traditional gatekeepers who perpetuate it.
Mr. Sternberg had been featured in every fashion magazine, won the industryâs top awards, hosted Anna Wintour and Kanye West at his fashion shows. Still, he said at a public conversation at Design Within Reach with Deborah Needleman (the former T Magazine editor), âthe fashion system can feel like jail.â
Band of Outsiders did $15 million in wholesale business its height, but Mr. Sternberg, overstretched and under-resourced, who sought and received investment, couldnât keep up with the immense pressure to grow. He found out that his last hope for additional funding passed on the morning he opened the first Band of Outsiders shop in the United States, in SoHo. (The first-ever store had opened in Tokyo.)
He received a loan from CLCC, a Belgian fashion fund, for $2 million, but soon clashed with his new backers. Ultimately, Mr. Sternbergâs company defaulted on the loan and Mr. Sternberg himself walked away from the Band. CLCC assumed ownership, and Band of Outsiders continues without him, with a new design team in place. Mr. Sternberg called their first collection âa disaster.â
The challenges of designing and producing collection after collection of menâs and womenâs wear are significant, and Band of Outsiders eventually grew to encompass several lines. The collections were well received but also vulnerable to the whims of trend and timeliness, and the vagaries of inconsistent production.
Even Bandâs signature slim cuts were in part a self-fulfilling prophecy: After an initial run of shirts were (correctly) snug, other orders arrived from the factories in similar style. âEverything just came in a little bit small,â Mr. Sternberg said. âIâm not kidding.â
Bandâs cuts â like those of Thom Browne, whose shrunken suits were a more conceptual foil to Mr. Sternbergâs easier Americana â helped convince curious young men to embrace a snugger silhouette. But that fit made democratizing and expanding the brand nearly impossible. In any case, high-fashion esotericism had never been Mr. Sternbergâs intention.
âThatâs just not me,â he said. âThatâs not how I see my legacy.â
If fashion is by definition exclusive, Entireworld is inclusive; fashion segments the world into groups of like-minded (and like-dressed) cohorts, but everyone wears underwear. In a video announcing the creation of Entireworld last year, Mr. Sternberg faced the camera and, as his face dissolved into a montage of stylish men and women (Mick Jagger, Sade, The Dude), acknowledged his past failings and vowed to take a different tack.
âI started thinking about what it would be like to create something more democratic this time, without compromising anything about the design or quality,â he said. âAbout the stuff we live in every day.â
But now, instead of staging fashion shows and courting the fashion press, instead of depending on the patronage of department stores and boutiques, Mr. Sternbergâs Entireworld is sold primarily from its own website.
Mr. Sternberg runs the entire business out of a bland commercial office building in the Koreatown neighborhood of Los Angeles, from where he conjures a utopia only he can see. He is the man behind the curtain. Entireworld, and the thousand tiny windows onto it offered on Instagram posts and its cheeky, sunny website, is Oz.
Of course, the thing about Oz is that the man behind the curtain is pulling the levers, working to convince you to buy a $32 T-shirt from him, rather than a $10 three-pack from Hanes. He will tell you that his feels better, fits better and wears better; he will not be wrong.
But a basic is a basic, and to many, the difference is hard to parse. Mr. Sternberg is under pressure to make Entireworld so appealing that even its basics have ineffable magic that coaxes credits cards out of wallets.
Mr. Sternberg has to capture that market with less of the support he once enjoyed. âHave we captured the attention of traditional media outlets the way I expected to, the way I did at Band? Eh,â he said, giving a grunt of not-really. He has skipped the fashion shows and presentations he once staged. As a result, Entireworld has made a smaller splash.
But those who love it â those who may be rising to replace the old gatekeepers â have vouched for it. âBasically have not taken this sweatshirt off since I got it last week,â Leandra Medine, better known as the Man Repeller, posted to her Instagram not long after the labelâs debut.
At Design Within Reach, Mr. Sternberg had his first real-world test, hanging racks of Entireworld clothes among Alexander Girard dolls and Man Ray chess sets and Hans Wegner chairs. Pegged to New Yorkâs NYCxDesign programming, the Entireworld shop stayed open for 11 days, and customers came away with hot-pink sweatsuits and cotton sweaters.
âIt was definitely something we had never done,â said Kim Phillips, the head of public relations and events for Design Within Reach. âIt was sticking my neck out there for sure.â
Mr. Sternberg called the experiment gratifying. âAn idea like this, I really believe more than ever has a place, especially when I see the sales and repeat sales,â he said. âI think the real challenge is â I know the real challenge is â that the amount of capital itâll take to get where we need to getis formidable.â
To start Entireworld, Mr. Sternberg raised $1.5 million from a group of private investors, and he has sought further investment to grow and scale it. Within its first year, he said, the company has sold more than three quarters of its initial inventory and reached more than $1 million in sales without paying for any advertising.
Numbers like these, while impressive, mean Entireworld is dwarfed by many of its competitors, limited by finite capital but not in an ideal position to attract more. âThereâs a real disconnect,â Mr. Sternberg said, between his values and the goals of the investors he is hoping to attract.
âInvestors want a return, and they want a return in a certain amount of time,â he said. âI understand all these things, clearly, but they still donât change my view that sticking to my guns in terms of what this is and what it should be shouldnât bow too much to the pressure of what investors think it should be right now.â
And while the signs have been good â Ms. Phillips said that she and Mr. Sternberg were talking about the pop-up traveling to other Design Within Reach locations, and sales continue to climb online â the economic reality of keeping a fashion business afloat is a chilly reality intruding into utopia. The world isnât Entireworld, yet. But Mr. Sternberg said there had been no question of not trying his hand in the rag trade again.
âUnfortunately not,â he said with a laugh. âI am an entrepreneur by birth. I am at my most ebullient, excited, energetic when thereâs a big challenge and a huge bucket that needs these ideas to fill it out. Itâs painful. Itâs not easy. Thereâs just this unexplainable, probably illogical urge to do this stuff.â
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That's what I'm saying.
Guys, it's been 11 years, and I had to finally start being honest with means, and that means being honest with y'all too by extension
I!!!!
Am a Hans stan đ
#LIKE FUCKING#BRO??????#WHAT THE FUCK?????????????#anyway I'm officially a hans defender to the day i day he better not come back in frozen 3 or 4 because i know they'll only fumble him again#hans of the southern isles#hans westergaard#not to mention the fact that his side of the story was written kinda poorly#and annas side of the story being the heroes side therefore making her lack of knowledge + hatred of hans the way the end is framed#will make you mad even if you dont come out of the story liking hans?#hans only goes to arendelle to marry as a way to escape his abusive family and in the beginning shows genuine interest in anna#so anytime he brings up his plan to take the throne it feels kinda forced#and by the middle of the story it completely pivots right#so hans is just The Bad Guy now#but every once in a while theres a reference to or mention of his family that makes you go#Oh Holy Fuck Right This Guy Is Only Here Because Of His Fucked Up Home Life#and then in the end anna is very rightfully doubting whether hans even told the truth about his family#so even though we as the reader KNOW THAT HE DID her internal monologue being the final one we read and the heroes one makes the reader go#yeah ykw how are we supposed to trust him#AS IF THE ENTIRE BEGINNING OF THE BOOK FROM HANS' PERSPECTIVE DIDNT FUCKING HAPPEN#and then also the cherry on top is that hans final thoughts in the whole book is him silently begging not to be sent back to his family#which is just like#isnt this the same studio that made fucking Cinderella#why is there no redemption laid out for this man#and in the movie its like right true love as in all forms of love thaws and heals all#and hans is a foil to anna right like they both grew up in a home void of love but both let it affect them very differently#so like. wouldnt it make SENSE. for him to begrudgingly LEARN WHAT LOVE IS. and why thats BETTER than the BITTERNESS thats CONSUMED HIM#i dont want to fucking LIKE THIS MAN#hes the VILLAIN hes an ASSHOLE#BUT WHY DID THEY D O T H I S T O H I M#okay rant done now. im just so. ugh. im so fucking mad rn what the fuck. disney fumbled so much worse than i thought. redeem hans 2k27
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