#and gaster is seam

[keksalot404]

Messy Sketches: Darker than Darkners Edition

(WARNING: Story and Gameplay spoilers for Chapters 3 and 4, mostly the secret bosses!)

[gaster-fan-47]

[viky2318]

While waiting for the next chapter, Smiling man's story!!!!

Minor spoiler ahead. nothing crucial tho (I think).

They originally were the same being, two sides of the same coin. They were from Deltarune, and there, they were called Seam. Seam was the Royal magician, a good friend of our dear Jevil. After the events of Deltarune ch. 1, Seam decided to understand what was going on in his friend’s mind and visited him. He understood very little from their chat, but it was clear that there was something else controlling their world. something different from Lightners and Darkners. He started doing research and, in a terrible accident while doing some experiments to reach this other dimension, the man got to another world.

Undertale.

When he realized he couldn’t cast the same magic spells he knew, he decided to search another way out through technology. He gave himself a fake name and went working for the King of that other kingdom, quickly showing everybody how able he was. in no time, W.D. Gaster was the new Royal scientist. in his time inside of the Undertale universe, he became more serious and a little more formal towards other people, still searching for this mysterious entity controlling his and everyone’s life (he quickly understood that place wasn’t what he was searching for). he learned how magic worked in there, discovered how his knowledge from home could blend in the laws of physics, chemistry and magic of this new place. He ended up kinda enjoying that place, so different yet so similar to the world where he was from. He made some new friends there, mainly two silly skeletons. He cared for them almost as much as he cared for Jevil and his old world, without realizing they cared for him as much as they cared for each other (which was a lot). One day, he found a way to communicate with people from other worlds, creating the Windows (the “window thingies” Sam, Smiling Man and Jevil have). This left him speak again with Jevil… and find out about the Multiverse. an Infinite amount of other worlds, other people… It made him go insane at the beginning seeing all this but not being able to interact with it. He didn't like being a spectator. He ended up almost isolating himself from his newfound family and his old friend, trying to find a way to travel through the worlds.

He accidentally fell in the CORE.

The extreme heat of the machine melted his body, and the collision with the center of it sent him into the Void. He remained there, not having a way to leave, studying that darkness and the other worlds around him through the Windows. He discovered everyone in Undertale forgot about him the moment he fell in his machine. The sight of his beloved friends perfectly fine without him was hurting him deeply.

Then Sam came.

A young, scared human without a single memory of their past. The only thing they had was a name and an unstable ability. Gaster took them under his wing, getting softer and softer the more he spent time with that poor soul. He gave them a magic artifact to help them control their wonderful ability, something that wasn’t magic but that looked as beautiful. the human started wanting more for their life. Gaster didn’t know how to help them with this. the human broke. Then they left him. deeply scarred by the loss of the one he almost considered his child, the man went mad. Part of him wanted his family back, someone to talk to, but couldn’t bring himself to speak again with Jevil. let alone trying to communicate with his old friends in Undertale. The other side knew he couldn't. He had to restart all over again. He remained in the void, observing his child discovering millions of worlds. He saw them wanting to create. blaming others for their inability to do something impossible. He saw them using a miserable soulless being to kill others. Again, he was split in two. He wanted to not see all of this, to love their child. it was HIS fault if they became like that. but he also knew that Sam was becoming a menace and had to be stopped. There was so much contrast in his mind, so much confusion, so much doubt that the Void took over. his mind literally got split in two. his older self, Seam, the one that sees the world as it is and has no will to do anything about its horrors unless Sam is in the middle, and Gaster, his most recent self, who has hard times accepting that his only child did horrid things and will love them no matter what, trying to keep everyone safe and at the same time being too scared to act.

[rnelodyy]

I just figured out what made Spamton and Jevil go insane

SPOILERS FOR CHAPTER 4

It was the Prophecy.

Let's start with Jevil, which mostly turned into talking about Seam, since it's hard to get a coherent word out of Jevil himself.

Talking to King in chapter 4 and picking "Jester" nets you the following dialogue:

The phrasing here is what I specifically want to point out, because it's framed less like Jevil gave King instructions on how to rise to power, and more like Jevil was PREDICTING King's rise to power.

But like most things Jevil, our bombshells when it comes to him come from Seam.

This dialogue should be familiar, it's one of the first things we learned about Jevil outside of his bossfight, and our main hint connecting him to Gaster. Him saying things that both did and didn't make sense to me suggests the Prophecy, but that may also be confirmation bias.

But it's THIS dialogue that I really wanted to highlight here.

Seam's worldview is EXTREMELY nihilistic. While they don't outright discourage you from going on your adventures, they seem amused at the fact that you're even trying at all. On top of this, Seam has a lot of dialogue about stuff they could not reasonably know about, either because it happened nowhere near them, or it hasn't happened yet.

They knows about the super bosses and the Shadow Crystals you can collect from them:

They know about Mettaton designing Spamton NEO's body:

They know about the Knight ambushing you at the end of Chapter 3, and how you need the Shadow Mantle to beat it (unless you're a tryhard):

And they know about the Old Man as well:

(There's one more piece of dialogue that's relevant here, but I'm going to save that for when I talk about Spamton.)

This is a quality that Seam shares with Jevil, as Jevil neatly predicts Queen's appearance in Chapter 2 if you defeat him with violence:

All of this combined, to me, implies that the "strange words" Jevil told Seam were, in fact, the Prophecy he got from Gaster. The reason Seam is so nihilistic is because they already know exactly what's going to happen... specifically, the Roaring is coming, and there's nothing they can do to stop it.

There's only one thing that seems to genuinely surprise them: defeating the Knight in Chapter 3.

...which later prompts this dialogue.

The fact that we did something Seam, someone who knows the Prophecy, genuinely wasn't expecting, gives them hope. Because that could mean that the Prophecy isn't set in stone, and the Roaring may yet be averted.

Now lets move on to Spamton, because Chapter 3 gave us a LOT more to work with there. Spamton's backstory specifically gave me the idea for this theory, because a lot of things about it start making sense when viewed through this lens.

Spamton was an unsuccessful salesman who dreamed of making it big. One day, he was contacted by someone (Gaster) on the phone, and suddenly all of his businesses skyrocketed, becoming so successful that he got a room in Queen's mansion. However, one day the person who contacted him stopped calling, and his entire life came crashing down around him to the point that he ended up homeless and living in a dumpster.

This didn't make sense to me at first. If Gaster was just giving him business advice, taking that away shouldn't have allowed his empire to collapse overnight. What makes more sense is that Gaster was telling Spamton parts of the Prophecy, specifically the parts on how he was going to make it big. All Spamton had to do is follow Gaster's advice, and he'd become the BIG SHOT he'd always wanted to be.

As a bit of extra proof for this, here's seemingly random bit of dialogue from Seam.

Someone who knows the Prophecy using it to see the future in order to beat the Addisons specifically? That seems like a pretty obvious hint.

Chapter 3 also tells us more about Spamton's relationship with Tenna. Spamton and Tenna used to be business partners, with Tenna wanting to learn what made Spamton a BIG SHOT in the first place. But then...

It's implied that this is when Spamton stopped receiving calls. So why exactly did Gaster stop calling?

Because Tenna is in the Prophecy. Specifically, the part about him getting cut down by the Knight (I'd add a screenshot here but I cannot fucking find it, it is in there, trust me).

Gaster was most likely aware that, if Tenna found out about his pre-destined death, he'd try to find a way to prevent it, or at the very least get better at watching his back. So, he called Spamton to say he was cutting him off, and without the Prophecy giving him advice, everything came crashing down around him.

As a result, Spamton is obsessed with finding a way to learn more about the Prophecy, and how to use it to predict the future again. He wants to be big enough to see past the darkness obscuring that knowledge from him.

As such, he recruits Kris into helping him see past the bounds of reality and find the full Prophecy. That's what [Hyperlink Blocked] is. It's literally a broken hyperlink to the Prophecy.

But if you do the Weird Route, you're likely going directly against the Prophecy. Things that are specifically pre-ordained do not happen in the Weird Route - most clearly seen with Ralsei's reaction to Susie and Noelle not going on their ferris wheel ride.

Ralsei has full knowledge of the Prophecy, and is understandably freaking the fuck out when he realizes we have just done something that directly contradicts it.

And what does Spamton have to say about your Weird Route antics?

We don't need his Prophecy anymore, because we're making our own.

But that does leave a question though. If Spamton was destined to make it big, why did he need Gaster's help? Why did his empire collapse as soon as Gaster stopped helping, if his success was pre-determined? Why did Gaster need to tell Jevil how to get King into power, and to get him to worship the Knight?

Why does Gaster's involvement specifically seem to change the Prophecy?

Because Gaster is the one writing it.

[loathemetc]

Deltarune Theory: Do you know who your FRIENDs are?

A while ago I made this whole chart about who FRIEND might be and then I just straight up forgot to post it.

And I think I did like, an okay job here, although there are some assumptions and confusions. It's actually the bonus drawings I did that now I think might be closer to the truth.

Well maybe not the second one, maybe the second one, idk, but the new Spamton Sweepstakes stuff does seem to imply FRIEND is Noelle's missing digital pet, with it appearing in the cat petterz minigame and all. But hey, what can we actually do with that information?

Well, let's look at the assumptions we've had before. Obviously this being the "egg" page on the website, along with multiple red trees linking back to it across the website, it gives us the impression that the man behind the tree gave Noelle this egg. But who's the man behind the tree?

Well if you've read my other posts you'd know I agree with Spookydood's hypothesis that neither the man behind the tree nor the mysterious Valentine's letter are Gaster. But the man behind the tree and the mysterious Valentine ARE the same person. Go go gadget evidence compilation:

That seems pretty straightforward, yeah? Very deliberate writing choices. But can we determine who this is even further?

The speaking patterns of the Valentine are very... Alice in Wonderland. A sort of rhythmic speaking in confusions and wordplay. And honestly? I think that tell us everything we need to know.

FRIEND appears as a floating smile in the darkness. He's associated with Noelle's cat game. The egg man is associated with a tree and an odd manner of speech. A cat in a tree that turns into a floating smile and has an odd manner of speech? That's the fucking Cheshire cat, straight up.

I don't think Noelle's game created FRIEND, I think FRIEND was interfacing with it the same way Spamton did. That would explain why the sweepstakes stuff doesn't have to be canon, if it was actually FRIEND's backstory from Noelle's game that would have to be reiterated in the game itself. But if he was just giving her the egg, the same way Spamton gave her the Pipis, that's just a thing he did, not vital backstory.

"But is he Mike though?" Uhhhh. Good question? I'd probably lean no still since FRIEND's name seems to have been forgotten while Spamton just knows Mike's name straight up. Maybe Spamton is special, he does have the glasses in FRIEND's colors. Why would Tenna be looking for FRIEND anyhow? I don't really know or care if FRIEND is Mike right now, I'm pretty satisfied with the conclusions I came to. Thanks to my buddy Victor for helping me reach said conclusions.

Just one last thought though... Is FRIEND from the Card Kingdom? The tree they take with them certainly is. And after all, Chapter 1 is a fantasy forest with a playing card theme and a cruel ruler, that's Alice in Wonderland as hell. If FRIEND is a strange, powerful cat darkner from the Card Kingdom... Well, so is Seam. Seam, who has been our guide to the secret bosses. FRIEND, who''s face has only ever been seen in game guiding us to the Spamton fight. Hm.

Curiouser and curiouser.

[glitchgirl0812]

Shout out to my favorite they/them cat and their weird jester thing

[skaters-art-blog]

So a week or so back my friend decided that for her birthday she wanted to go to a paint-your-own pottery studio and...i may have gone a little overboard.

Anyway now i have a deltarune plate! yippee! Click/tap to get a better view!

[marsbotz]

posting like its 2021

[kurolini909]

Few Deltarune sketches in light of playing Chapter 3!

[peanutsreblogs]

A prediction.

[lilly-jevil]

You guys are getting this before tt

[mouselikething]

we all got that husband that was driven to madness by the entity 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[beyemar]

Drew the secret bosses! (plus Seam and “friend”)

[grillbyz]

going to pretend i'm not late with this but my six UTDR ships for valentine's day/newsletter day <3 the file name being "gay people in my underground?"

[spamton-speaks-to-me-actually]

Here is an idea for any Deltarune artist that has more skill than me.

600 strike from Epic but it's Kris beating up Gaster/Player at the end of chapter 7 with the Roaring going on

[tvlandofficiall]

gonna just pick out a few of these that i know i can answer;

i think “mike” is an alias gaster used when he communicated with spamton. (his “true name” crashes the game, after all.)

please enjoy it.

gaster is very heavily implied to be what i’d call prophecy-aligned – he’s the one who seems to want us in the game to possess kris to play the hero, the prophecy itself is “foretold by time and space”, and for a while it was listed in wingdings on the deltarune webpage. given this, he probably doesn’t for the same reason why ralsei doesn’t – the prophecy wants you to seal the fountains as soon as possible and treats the darkners just as dismissively as the rest of the current worldstate does.

susie has a lot going on! the aspect of her i’ve been thinking about the most lately is that she tends to be the herald of deltarune’s more minor thread of coming to appreciate things that are “scary” rather than rejecting them. lancer, ralsei, and especially noelle stand out to susie because rather than see her sharp teeth and rude ‘tude as something to hate, they see it as something to love. and this carries on to susie’s main motivation of seeing the darkners as her friends – saying “i command you not to listen to my commands!” is a paradox she often falls at fault of, and their fates are still something she has yet to fully confront, but she clearly wants to be equals with and has a lot of empathy for them no matter how “scary” they might be. i think that’ll be critical to her arc going forward.

check these out!

hey now, rouxls kaard isn’t all that hot to begin with! the real hottest deltarune divorcee is — (i am dragged off by a comedically long cane before i can finish.)