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idontlikethings · 3 years ago
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U know what people don't seem to understand about tobi? He's supposed to be a good guy. In canon at least, he's depicted as morally good and on the right side of the plot. And his stans defending him saying that the anti should rather focus on mad.ra who kidnapped a kid or ob.to killing his own clan... they're the bad guys. Canon acknowledges that and makes them villains.
The same doesn't happen with tob.rama while he's the base of the whole shinobi system. The one who created the academy, an institution that raises children into killers, the Chuunin Exam, and I hope I don't have to explain why that is wrong, the Uchiha police force and at the same time the ANBU, which literally nullifies the police force's existence, beyond the obvious morally wrong choice of restraining a whole clan to one job.
"But op, the academy is a positive thing, so child soldiers don't have to exist anymore! And people leaving the academy at 6 like k.kashi was only because of hiruzen! And the children killing each other during the chuunin exam too!" Okay first, 12 is still child soldiers except if I missed something, but dude he literally created the chuunin exams. The whole thing where twelve year olds kill each other. Second, the situation being worsened by hiruzen is your own headcanon, we literally do not know. Maybe it was, maybe it wasn't. Tob.rama was his teacher tho, doesn't that tell you something. This post talks about tob.rama and his students, btw.
"And what about hash.rama?! U guys never criticize him!" But tob.rama was literally the one who created the institution. Don't get me wrong here, I still don't appreciate hash.rama, but tob.rama was the one who made his dream into a concrete thing and build the administrative side of the village, which is the real problem in naruto (besides the positive portrayal of the whole thing. If canon was critical of this, I wouldn't be here). Hash.rama has to be criticized for letting his brother do everything he did (the fact that he did nothing to stop him could indirectly say that he agreed with what tobirama was doing, and with how canon is it is very likely that he did. But we also know that even if he disagreed, he is shown to cede to his brother s argument pretty quickly, with the first election for example) , I agree with that, and for never truly understanding the Uchiha and Mad.ra in particular, but he's not directly responsible for the village system like tob.rama is.
Finally the anbu's existence. The tactical ans assassination special brigade. So, just to remind you, the age limit is 13 and they pick younger kids that show predisposition to the job even before the Academy. Again, you could argue that it was worsened by hiruzen, but how likely is that? It was never implicated in canon, just like the chuunin exam. That's just your headcanon. However the limit between the police force's power and the Anbu's jurisdiction is clearly stated to be vague, creating conflicts between the two, as the anbu is supposed to deal with more delicate matters than the police force. And do I have to remind both were created by tob.rama, who notoriously never particularly like the Uchiha clan?
What a coincidence. And I find it more easy to believe in than hiruzen worsening the conditions of the chuunin exams and the anbu, while it is never implied in canon.
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sunnysidewrites · 7 years ago
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Vigilante Partner in Crime!Wonwoo Pt 2
LOOK WHO’S BACK WITH PART 2!! I WANNA THANK EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU WHO GAVE ME WONDERFUL FEEDBACK THE DAY I POSTED PART 1!!! Can you guys believe that was only my 2nd piece I posted on here?? And now look at how much has happened since then! IT’S BEEN OVER A MONTH!!! Thank you to everyone who encouraged me to write this!!! Writing this was a real struggle,,, my writer’s block for 3 weeks suddenly all disappeared TODAY and I couldn’t be happier!! Also,,, look out for that last bullet point ;)))  GET READY FOR A WILD RIDE AGAIN!!!! I MADE THIS TOO LONG LSJDFLJF I CAN’T CONTAIN MY FEELS FOR WONWOO HAPPY READING MY CHILDREN!! <3333 For a refresher, I recommend you reading Part 1 before continuing!
Part 1 | Part 2
“Hello?” a customer waved their hand in front of your face
Your hazy eyes focused back for the tenth time that same hour
“S-sorry, miss,” you stammered as you resumed scanning her items
Once she left, you sighed and shook your head for who knows how many times that week
Get it together, Y/N, you mentally scolded yourself and lightly smacked your cheeks
It already had been a week since that night
“Can’t we just,,, keep it between us?” his words still rang in your ears, a constant mantra that continues to linger in your thoughts
“Ugh, nO!!!”
“Okay, okay! It’s fine if you don’t wanna,,,, i can just do it myself,,,”
You turned around to meet a bewildered Wonwoo, his eyes slightly bugged out and his hands raised in defense
“O-oh,,, Wonwoo,,,, i’m sorry what did you say?”
“I just asked you if you wanted to restock with me,,,,,,,”
Your expression had “mental facepalm” written all over it
You quickly muttered an excuse to stay at the cashier and he seemed to get the hint
All week you’ve been making it a lil too obvious you were on the edge and if wonwoo had caught on, he sure didn’t say anything about it
You trudge back home where your grandma greets you granny makes a comeback!!!
“Welcome home y/n!!!” she excitedly hugs you
You return it and walk to the kitchen to grab a snack and a drink
You start talking about your day but you start noticing that your grandma is just,,, a little,,, too excited,,,,
“Ok grandma what’s got you bouncing on your toes”
“What,,, i’m perfectly fine,,,,”
“Right,,,, like you didn’t just jump 10 feet in the air,,,,”
“,,,,,u right”
You put down your glass of water on the counter and face your body towards her
She exhales a small breath before taking another in
“You’re bonnie aren’t you?”
Your heartbeat spikes up and you’re like oH MYGOSDJFJOFD
“What that’s ridiculous! I’m too busy studying--”
“No need to cover it up. I saw your attire stuffed in the back of your closet when i was trying to help clean it”
Your guarded expression immediately lets down and all she can see is pure anxiety on your face
“Omg grandma plS DONT TELL MOM AND DAD I SWEAR IF U WANT ME TO STOP I WILL--”
“I support it”
You:
Grandma:
You:
Grandma:
You: what
“Look y/n,,,, i haven’t told you everything about what i did”
“,,,,what do you mean? Didn’t you say you were a detective?”
“Yes,,, i was,,,, but i was also just like you having that little ‘side job’”
You’re just like ????? what the????
“Ever heard of Shadowcat hun?”
And you’re like O M G IT CANT BE
“wHAT NO WAY THE LEGENDARY VIGILANTE WHO PUT THE ENTIRE LAW ENFORCEMENT OUT OF BUSINESS FOR DECADES BC SHE WAS JUST THAT GOOD????”
She clicks her tongue, “in the flesh”
You’re still freaking out when her expression suddenly darkens
“And you’ve heard of Geney?”
“,,,,that scary mutation bad guy???” LMAO DO U GUYS GET THE PUN
“Correction. Bad woman. And she wasn’t always evil you know,” your grandma says with a hint of melancholy in her eyes
You decide that it’s a story for another time and make a mental note to ask her later as her eyes refocus back to you
“Anyways, she’s never quite up to any good. I hear there’s a bunch of delinquents from her family in your generation and they might cause you trouble,,,,”
“Grandma relax!! I got this in the bag!! And i have clyde!!! We’re unstoppable!! We are Bonnie and Clyde for a reason. We’ll figure out how to do it” You reassuringly pat her shoulder
“Hun i had that same mindset as you and things happened. Life happened. And it may happen to you as well”
“Seriously, grandma, we’re able to get through anything together,” you smiled and gave her one last pat on the shoulder before you left
The following night you were on another mission of yours, you scoping out the area as Wonwoo adjusted the subtle tool belt on each of your waists
“Okay, he just entered the building; we’re all clear--” you turn back to report your observations when,,,
Wonwoo’s face is just a little too close to yours
He was busy taking care of your supplies that he had bent down in concentration
You freeze, your breath hitching
He was still focused on your supplies and then smiled and looked up, “Great!”
He finally noticed the proximity and jerked his hands away from your belt
He quickly took a step back and covered the bottom half of his face with the back of his hand
“U-uh,,,, sorry,,,, I was just replenishing your things,,,,” he stammered, running his fingers through his hair
“It’s fine,,,” you reply, the both of you avoiding eye contact
You shake your head and continue to give him your report
You can’t help but notice the churning in your stomach
As of late, your stomach had been acting funny every time you were on these missions
But ofc you just brushed them off
“Lmao i probably just ate something bad”
,,,,,sigh
Weeks pass by and you still get the uncomfortable nauseous feeling
“Are you feeling okay? You’re a little pale” wonwoo peeks at your face
“I’m fine! I’m fine,” you stop him before getting too close to you (since he’s the reason why lmAO)
You just take deep breaths in and try to put all your energy in the mission
He tries to ease your uneasiness by squeezing both of your shoulders
“We’re in this together. Partners in crime, right?”
You nod your head
“Partners in crime. Always.”
He gives you a quick kiss on the head, a gesture that you have gotten used to after this time
But for some reason, it felt,,,, different and gave you a fuzzy feeling
You confirm both of your roles and split up once you head inside the building of the crime scene
Fifteen minutes in and you find one of the minions (no not those minions lmao)
He tries escaping but you easily tackle him down
With his arms wrenched around his back, you whisper in his ear
“Mind telling me who the puppeteer of this freak show is?”
“Please believe me I don’t know anything!! OW!!”
“I don’t think you understand the position you’re in right now, mister. Now. I’ll say it again. Who’s the mastermind behind this?”
“Look. Just hear me out,,,, I’m on your side and am just as confused as you are,,,,,”
You tighten your grip on him, his howling filling the empty room
“i’m still waiting”
“OW!! I honestly don’t know,,,, but my best guess is Geney,,,,”
you release him and press your stun gun on him
Well,,, i mean you weren’t actually gonna kill him and plus this man didn’t even put up a fight lmao
You drag him into a storage room and lock him up there
You’re on your way to scope out more of the minions and check up on Wonwoo
You see a bright light shining in one of the rooms and cautiously approach it
You peek your head from the side of the door to check if anyone is already inside
You find a hiding spot and settle around it when all of a someone someone grabs your arm
You’re in automatic defense mode when you just see Wonwoo and sigh a breath of relief
“Jesus christ, wonwoo you scared me!” you whispered sharply
“Sorry,,,, i was just in the middle of searching for you. Is this the room?”
You nodded and turned your attention back to the brilliant lights
“Well,,, they sure made it obvious with all of these lights in the middle of the room”
He hushes you, his still hand on your arm
“I think they’re coming”
You nod silently and get in a position, ready to pounce at any time
“Guys! It’s in here!” A foreign voice shouted
You waited for them to start filing in and you and wonwoo exchange a look
You silently mouth one, two, three
And next thing you know you hear gunshots and punches being thrown
You’re in the middle of fighting a man and he keeps sneering at you
“You think you’re such a hotshot, playing the good guy here?”
“Not my fault you guys always lose. I guess you got that in your bloodline”
He glares at you before smirking, “well i don’t think i have to worry about that at least for tonight”
“What?”
You’re only caught off guard for a fraction of a second when someone holds you back, locking your arms
“Let!! Me!! Go!!” you struggle to get out of the lock but your capturer won’t budge
“No can do sweetie”
You immediately stop, your blood running cold
You,,,, you can’t believe,,,,,
The voice that you were so accustomed to for all of these years
The same voice that makes those stupid flirty jokes but you allow him to anyway bc he’s just him
The voice that promised to be partners in crime
The voice that you trusted
Suddenly you wanna vomit at the touch of his hands
“C-c-clyde???”
You can hear his smirk from behind you
“Ah,,, well I didn’t want it to come to this bonnie but,,,, well i had to follow my grandma’s orders. She’s just kinda the boss around here”
Grandma???
Oh 
oH
OH
Oh no
“You’re,,,,,,, you’re related to Geney????”
“Yes, and as much as I would love to chit chat, we have something to take” he looks at the minions and gestures to the artifact
“Why,,,, why would you do this?”
“Don’t take it too personally, bonnie. Our time here is up. You were a great partner while it lasted.”
He manhandles you to a bunch of his minions
“Oh and don’t even try attacking them. Be grateful i didn’t end you on the spot,” he winks and nonchalantly stuffs his hands in his pockets
He looks at the minions but returned his stare to you
“Do whatever you want to her,” he coldly states and stalks out
They drag you to the back of the building, ready to finish you off when you were able to knock all of them out
You stare at their bodies on the ground, your chest heaving gradually faster
You wanted to cry
You wanted to scream
You wanted to hit him
You wanted to hug your grandma
But you were only paralyzed
Just one more time, you scope the area
But instead of doing it for wonwoo
You did it bc of wonwoo
:’((((
Wonwoo was still in the building strolling down the halls when he heard muffled shouts behind the storage door
He clucks his tongue in disapproval and kicks it down
“You’re still here?” he looks down at him in disdain
“What did you do to her?” he fumed, his eyes set ablaze
He laughs coolly, his head turned to the side before facing the pitiful look on the minion
“Guess she fell for it after all, huh?” he smirks a little too widely
He got out his right hand and casually threw out something on his lap
“She dropped this when I kicked her out”
Wonwoo suddenly reverted back to his form
“Sorry I had to use your little girlfriend, but I have to show the world Geney isn’t done just quite yet,” she threw a wink
“Oh, I guess I should turn you back into your original self since,,, well she doesn’t wanna do anything with you anymore,” she laughed shrilly before transforming him back and slamming the building door shut
He numbly looks down on his lap and bites his lip from shouting
The shiny golden band only stared back at him, the same words he told you before “betraying” you mockingly printed on it in small black script
Partners in crime, right?
Partners in crime. Always.
Ok lmao also i hella struggled writing part 2 but i did leave it at on open end,,,, so,,,, will i make a part 3??? Who knows???? ;)))) I DIDN’T EXPECT THIS TO LAST LONGER THAN 1 PART SLFJDLS but maybe i’ll do it if its highly requested!!! :))))
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datingdonovan · 5 years ago
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most stoziers are good but then there’s the ones that make Eddie seem like this really bad person just to have a reason to put reddie to the side. Eddie doesn’t have to be a bad person to not be in a relationship with Richie. Stan doesn’t have to be this mean guy constantly and then be nice to the only one he likes. Stan would die for his friends. He DID die for his friends. Eddie did, too. They aren’t these evil or mean guys. This took a turn but those are just my thoughts
thank u for this its so true. yeah i feel like for some ppl if they don’t ship one of the ~popular~ or ~obvious~ ships theres an impulse to try to make excuses for themselves and/or other ppl as to why they ship what they do. like idk for me as much as i like any ship i can pretty much always be found reading many MANY fics that are contradictory/rival ships/etc and i think to some extent i did at one point feel weird about reading all these contradictory things and i would sometimes make excuses about other ships to try to validate whatever i was interested in at the time but nowadays im like, at the end of the day i can like what i want and im just doin me. i know some other ppl are very much not like that and they can be very territorial ab certain ships and character traits and whatnot so maybe thats why people use these kinds of arguments to validate to others what they ship. but at the end of the day i sorta feel like everybody has a right to do them WITHOUT the need to make these kind of excuses. imo they are all great characters. obviously doesn’t mean we can’t have criticisms of them but yeah, i think ur right, there’s no need to like paint them as bad just to justify another ship. i hope ppl can feel free to just ship what they want bc in the end they’re all fictional characters and ur interested in their dynamics and we’re all writing stuff that a lot of the time is really only loosely based on a book ol stephen wrote while he was on drugs a long time ago (almost 40 yrs??? thats WILD). but on the flip side like, some ppl write fic where certain losers are really genuinely mean and like it’s for the aesthetic or plot or w/e of the fic, and then you get into the issue of like can/should u write certain AU fics and keep the characters’ personalities mostly intact or is it ok to get a lil (or wildly) ooc based on ur fic, and is that even rly that bad considering that, again, theyre all fictional characters and everybody’s sorta using them for their own purposes lol. i know lots of ppl in this fandom also just block what they dont wanna see and thats fair play too like this is all for our enjoyment and however u wanna enjoy it provided its harmless i guess its valid.
ps if this ask is lowkey @ the last ask i answered i do have some other thoughts on this ask in conversation with that anon’s take but this is already way too long lol so maybe ill post them elsewhere
anyways this is a really interesting discussion to have bc as someone who studies english lit and creative writing for many hours a day like, if someone came at me with a mischaracterization of something i read or wrote for class, i’d probably kinda freak. but when it’s in this context where in so many ways we all just completely disregard the canon and are just doing it for fun, are the rules different? and does that imply some kind of value judgement on IT vs. something like, idk Jane Austen? or is it just a different mode of working with the material like if I were to work with IT in an academic setting (i REALLY DO WISH) i’d obviously treat it just as seriously as anything else. i guess these are things ppl have to decide and make judgements on for themselves and what’s rly impt to them. these are also things i should tell one of my contemporary lit profs ab bc i think she’d love that im having these thoughts right now lol.
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