#and deadpool was the gayest he's ever been

[orionsangel86]

Saw Deadpool & Wolverine yesterday. Insane fucking movie. Absolutely bonkers. Plot was ridiculous and nonsensical but Ryan Reynolds and Hugh Jackman clearly had enough chemistry and fun to make it work. No spoilers but a certain trashed Honda Odyssey is about to star in a LOT of explicit AO3 fanfiction. Wow. Just wow.

[celestialholz]

Live long and fuck in Hondas (or 'why that Vulcan salute is way more significant than you think it is')

Hey. Hey Holz. Did you know Deadpool and Wolverine fucked in the Odyessy? Did you know that they now live in a one-bed with Blind Al? Did you know that -

Yes, friend. I know all of it. And you're all super fucking valid for pointing it out.

... But maybe all of you aren't seasoned Trekkies like me. Maybe not all of you gorgeous people understand the true significance of this.

Or maybe you just want a definitive way to win the argument of "are these two fucking?"

But either way, I'm here to help, and to tell you why, amongst all the absurdly homoerotic text of this film, this moment? Might be the gayest of them all.

Now, we must start by saying that although you wouldn't know it from the bullshit Abrams films, these two:

Are the fathers of gay fanfiction. Spock and Kirk here are the reason you're living in the fantastic timeline where you can write/read men fucking without any other shred of plot and that this is a legitimate and normalised internet experience - everyone say thank you, iconic papas. These guys were so homoerotically coded that even in the 60s, the era of wondrously overdramatic performances of all kinds and fairly prevalent homophobia, The Girlies still took notice, still started mailing each other fics and making zines and being just hugely excited at the thought of these two getting space-married. They are fandom as we know it today's beginning, and seventy years later they're still an enduringly popular ship on AO3. (You should all go and watch Amok Time, by the way. Contains the Honda Odyessy scene of the 60s, except there's weird biology and wrestling and just go and put it on your screens, thank me later. They fucked on that planet.)

Anyway, these two were as close as early colour TV could ever allow two men to be, deepening their *coughs* friendship almost every single episode or film - Trek's creator Gene Roddenberry even gave them a unique word in Spock's Vulcan language, with the meaning of 'friend, brother, lover.' (And if that isn't ringing any Poolverine bells, I'm not actually sure what you want out of this post. Enjoy it anyway, love you.)

... And then we get to 1982's The Wrath of Khan, and to that moment that every iconic screen couple must face - the ol' classic, it's you or me and I won't let it be you.

Sure, the set-up's a little different here - the chamber Spock's in is filled with radiation, and the scene's quieter, softer. And Kirk isn't a mutant so he can't smash his way in, he can just sit there and inwardly die as his emotional support Vulcan does.

... But you get where I'm coming from here. Ryan Reynolds doesn't take a million other potential love scenes from across the cinematic ages - no, he takes this. What is for many the romantic acknowledgement of a whole generation. The humble and desperately sweet beginning of it everything we fans know and love nowadays. The most ambiguously romantic homosexual relationship in television, directly comparative to what is now arguably the most ambiguously romantic homosexual relationship in cinema. And lest we forget, Wade doesn't believe in a fourth wall - this is a conscious choice, both in canon and in the writer's room.

Oh it's so clever and so beautiful a girl could weep. Ryan just introduced the MCU to the gays, just as Kirk and Spock did all those years ago to the masses of the time.

And then there's what it means.

This is the Vulcan salute, created to mean either 'live long and prosper' or 'peace and long life' - it's used more or less interchangeably.

But part of that's irrelevant when you're as immortal as these two.

So we're left with the sentiments of prosperity and peace, given to a man who up to this point can't imagine ever prospering again, is the furthest thing away from being at peace. Wade gives Logan the opportunity to go on, to find the things he's been lacking for so long now - things he has already helped him find. Spock tells Kirk during The Wrath that 'the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few,' and that's exactly what Wade's doing here - sacrificing himself for the greater good of his friends and his newly beloved, however much it will hurt them all.

And that's lovely, and poignant, and character-growing, and I think we all would have been content to leave it at that and have our noble sacrifice, however much we would have wept. Kirk goes on to find the remnants of Spock's soul in the next film in the series, to bring him essentially back from the dead because he felt it was more than his own soul's worth not to have done... which, again, ringing a bell anyone?

Because Logan, in not so many words, tells dear Wade to fuck right off, and we get this.

What we've got here is a direct translation of one of cinema's gayest moments, made somehow infinitely more gay. A true achievement here - I genuinely think I spontaneously acquired tetanus in the cinema for a good minute, my jaw dropped so hard on seeing this. The pillars are the same colour as Kirk and Spock's original uniforms, for fuck's sake. I'm dying out here.

What we've done here is create narrative equality. The whole film's kinda done that leading up to this anyway - they're both mentally fucked up men who can't die, who are constantly dying anyway, who are evenly-matched in battle and both enjoy Honda fucking, who have forged a real love even as they piss each other off at every turn.

But here, they place one another in narrative equality for the first time. It's not about a sacrifice, not now, even though they're assuming it is one - it's about what should be done. It's about righting wrongs, being heroes, being together because every option other than that is unacceptable, because neither understands quite how to lose anyone else. They've both made the same choice, and that's not to let the other die alone.

It's about holding hands and loving and never letting go, even if it kills them.

... It's just about the most romantic and gorgeous thing I've ever fucking seen.

There are no more instances of masks, once they're done in this station. They don't need them any longer; they will never need them again.

And that's only emphasised by the parting shot we get of this... almost directly after Vanessa and Wade share a final sweet look.

I don't know, man. It's almost like the true conclusion is hidden behind the acceptable masquerade. Imagine that in the MCU, folks.

They've taken one of the most intimate and sweet moments in screen history, and made even more glorious.

They did The Wrath of Khan better than The Wrath of Khan did it.

And that's... that's gay. That's just about the gayest thing they could ever have done, and I adore it to the smallest pieces.

So remember, the next time your friends disbelieve you... show 'em this. Show them that they redid the very beginnings of slash fandom, and did it better.

(And then you can add on that they now live in a one-bed with their grandma, daughter and dog, and will do for the rest of their lives. Kirk and Spock didn't even get THAT shit.)

[iisthings]

WOLVERINE'S BISEXUALITY!

In response to @justatallstick who left a comment on my other post

So the thing is, it's complicated

While Marvel comics have never explicitly confirmed or denied his sexuality, authors and artists have been experimenting with it from time to time

From my current knowledge regarding the main line comics, Logan's bisexuality was never canonically confirmed or denied

However he did date Hercules in the au

And in the 616 universe Logan, Scott and Jean are canonically a throuple, though it is unclear whether or not Logan and Scott are dating too

HOWEVER Scott asked Logan to come with him, Jean and their kids on a family vacation (not a very platonic offer imo), as well as authors alluding to their relationship in shared dialogue

As for the Deadpool and Wolverine movie

We've all watched the Honda Odyssey fight scene, need I say more

This movie was the gayest thing I've seen all summer and I watched it after going to a pride parade

Also there's this iconic cover

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Here are some articles if you don't wanna dig through any and all x-men and wolverine comics:

date: 2020

date: 2020

Tl;dr Wolverine is a little bi and poly

[eviesos]

oh no! the hockeys wake up tomorrow and suddenly some of them have mutant powers a la X-Men.

pick five hockeys and assign them a mutant power...go!

T!!! You and I are on the same wavelength I've been revisiting the X-Men movies AND I've recently started diving into the X-Men comics this could not come at a better time.

Now, I'm going to discard the most overpowered powers from the get-go (think Scarlet Witch's reality manipulation and the Phoenix's whole deal) because it's more fun this way :) I'm also gonna give 2 answers for each hockey: one will be what I think would benefit them most on the ice and one would be what I think fits their vibe the best. As always, I overthought this way too much but I hope you enjoy nonetheless.

So, for Jack Hughes what I think would benefit him most on the ice would be advanced regenerative capability like Wolverine and Deadpool but maybe not as extreme. That boy gets hurt way too easily and I need him to not do that. When considering vibe, I'd go with weather manipulation a la Storm. I have no explanation, it just feels right.

Quinn Hughes I'm thinking Colossus's ability to turn himself metal. It'd make defending a hell of a lot easier if your opponent will break his everything if he tries to check you. With vibes I'm thinking ice powers like Iceman or just water manipulation.

Luke Hughes I'm thinking telepathy, not to Professor X levels, but just so he can know what his opponents are planning and he can defend against that. Vibes I'm gonna go with metal manipulation like Magneto. I did not mean to give him the powers of the gayest nemesis duo ever but here we are.

For Nico Hischier phasing through objects like Kitty Pride would be extremely useful if that includes phasing through people. That'd make playing the Panthers a lot easier lol. If phasing through people is not included in that, I'm giving that boy a force field. You WILL be staying back and that is not a request. With vibes I'd say telekinesis.

Flower I would probably give super speed, though not quite Quicksilver level, to make every save easier. Based on vibes I'd give him either teleportation or shapeshifting, solely to make pranking easier :P

[tonystarkisadouchebag]

From my experience, I think people are generally not good at detecting homophobia in media, and among fandom types that are really into LGBT+ rep, there is like this pervasive idea that if it's gay in any way, it can't possibly be homophobic and can only be positive gay rep bc rep is rep - moving away from superheroes, that's how you get people thinking obvious gay predator tropes in old literature where homosexuality is meant as a scary mark of deviance is Representation TM and get mad if you criticize it, and I guess with this movie, which I am admittedly hearing about second hand bc I'm not going to watch it, it sounds like people are unaware that this seems just like the dudebro no homo kind of 'humour' that was common in the 2000s, but just spun in a slightly less negative way now, yet still relying on homophobic tropes for the punchlines.

Good point! On one hand its nice that younger people are a bit oblivious to 20th century/early 2000s homophobia but I think people have lost the plot. We don't need to call Deadpool revolutionary gay rep because he simply isn't. Its cool to still like him, there's no need to stop watching his films and reading his comics, but you don't need a moral reason to justify liking it. I think the backlash to the homophobia critiques, that I've seen, have been because so many people feel the need to only consume art that is 'good' and progressive. Deadpool is not that but it still has the right to exist, you can still enjoy it.

On the whole, I think people need to take themselves less seriously and admit that they enjoyed schlock that had some homophobia that they were able to ignore or twist into something else. There's a tweet going around calling Deadpool 3 the gayest thing they've ever seen, and made by and for gay people which is just patently untrue (and they're saying this genuinely bc they're confused about people calling it homophobic). Like... at this point what are we doing, go watch the Interview With The Vampire tv show and get back to me.

[evakaname]

10 favourite fictional characters

I was tagged by @sakurabunnie edit: AGES AGO and forgot the almost done post in my drafts- and i still cannot decide but there are a few certain ones as of late in no particular order, cuz theres no system for me to fit different people into, like your

Maxwell Trevelyan, @sakurabunnie​ The most adorable blessed hearted inquisitor to ever exist.

YES im counting him as legit cuz he IS, using my own art of him cuz i CAN, and while at it i must mention my Soren and Caren as big faves too but i guess own characters are too far a shot lol, but maybe i could also mention Hadiden cuz hes also a unique piece of elf XD

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Dorian Pavus from Dragon Age Inquisition the sassiest most fabulous gay mage ever -if we dont count the next entry of...

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...a bisexual warlock who trumps anyone with class and being fabulous and all, with golden eyes, silver tongue, and a gentle caring heart to fit worlds in it, the magical  Magnus Lightwood-Bane from Shadowhunters tv series (a HUGE FAVE) of course

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but a Magnus without an Alec? i need both sides of Malec pls, so enters Alexander G. Lightwood-Bane one of the best and hottest and gayest of shadowhunters, who blooms from his shell in Magnus’s light  (also hes great and would get a spot anyways)

and get the HEALTHY, supportive, trusting, caring, loving, understanding, etc amazing power couple of the centuries, the absolute peak for all to aspire for, which i must add as a unit entry for the sake of wholesomeness  :3 :D as u see im pretty far deep with them XD but seriously just most of that shows characters are so amazing they could hold 1st place in their own show each

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Ezra Bridger from Star Wars Rebels Im sure just a few know him but oh boiii my fave jedi ever.

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mr im a MUCH sappier hopeless romantic than i look Venom of course

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and how could i leave out Deadpool

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and Carol Danvers aka Captain Marvel 

but i could go on marvel characters like Tom Hollands Pieter, and dr Strange and Tony Stark and Pepper and  Shuri and Okoye and Rocket and Natasha...

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Geralt of Rivia from Witcher got a special spot too

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now if im back to games again i must mention Ezio Auditore da Fireze from Assassins Creed  (yes still a fave XD) right along with “his” Leonardo da Vinci 

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there are so many from animes tho i CANT even... ok ill pull a few from the top of my head but...

Shirayuki and Zen from  Akagami no Shirayuki-hime

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Yuuri Katsuki and Viktor Nikiforov (among others) from Yuri on ice u know it i know it we all know it

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Izuku "Deku" Midoriya from  Boku no Hero Academia 

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Kotetsu Kaburagi aka Tiger from Tiger and Bunnie  

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Naruto and Sasuke from strictly FANFICTIONS, u know, the characters they had the potential to grow into  yes romance included but even without just agh kishi is an evil cow farmer

ah the joy of digging up old drawings and have a use for them

GOSH WHATS WITH ME AND COUPLES XD BUT i like great duos on both sides lol, and a great duo is sometimes a couple so... fanfic Sasuke and Naruto can be either so i choose couple version cuz reasons

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Kaname Chidori and Sousuke Sagara from Full Metal Panic

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talking of full metal, Edward and Alphonse totally should get a spot from Full Metal Alchemist

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talking of siblings, Rin and Yukio Okumura from  Ao no Exorcist 

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talking of yuki, Yukine and Yato from Noragami

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Yuuichirou and Mikaela Hyakuya from Owari no Seraph (this duo being actually a couple is still under heavy “discussion” XD but yeah thats an opening pic also...)

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Chise Hatori and  Elias Ainsworth from  Mahoutsukai no Yome two dysfunctional dork making a functioning couple its just priceless and fun

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WAIT its been way more than 10 already for sure... oh f, whatever. gosh and i havent even get to the old ones like some Slayers or Kyou Kara Maou characters and Inuyasha or new ones like from Suisei no Gargantia and also more movies and gah TOO MANY 

I want to tag everyone but at least @hadiden-lavellan​

[pluckyredhead]

😯 that last ask brought one back one doubt I thought I had let go, considering that even with Deadpool Marvel tries to keep as het even if he's pan, just so I stay in the subject, do you think Marvel is queerbaiting? Like, "Drops of Jupiter", "was anything ever real between us", ugly crying, Foggy getting drunk and also crying. Dunno, s2 seemed like a huge cold feet on any Matt/Foggy, like when they almost hit each other (the "don't walk away from me Foggy") and dunno dunno, what do you think?

Maybe this is giving them too much credit, but no, I don’t think it was deliberate queerbaiting, for a few reasons. (Time for an over-thought numbered list, because that’s how I roll!)

1. They seem to have forgotten that queer people exist at all in the universe, considering that the present-day Hell’s Kitchen is actually a very queer neighborhood but there is zero evidence of that on the show.

2. The assumed audience is straight dudes, and you tend to get queerbaiting on shows where the assumed audience is LGBTQA folks and straight women.

3. Elden always seems cheerfully surprised when asked about it. Yeah, I know he’s joked that he ships Matt/Foggy and that he and Charlie have laughed about how in love Matt and Foggy come off in some of the dialogue, but I’ve never gotten the sort of “wink wink nudge nudge” attitude from his responses that I would expect from an actor who is deliberately queerbaiting or has been told by writers or producers that that’s what they’re doing.

4. I genuinely think “Drops of Jupiter” was chosen because whoever picked that song is about my age and tried to evoke a “back in college” feeling by picking something that would have been on the radio when he/I/Charlie & Elden (well, not Elden, but Charlie for sure) was in college and not “ten years ago”/2010/whenever the fuck that scene is supposed to be set. The fact that it’s a love song from the point of view of someone who’s afraid their best friend is leaving them behind for life-changing adventures is just a hilarious (and heartbreaking) coincidence.

5. When you read a lot of comics, you quickly learn that comic book writers (and comic book show writers) have ABSOLUTELY NO GAYDAR. They will write (and draw!) the gayest possible scenes with no self-awareness whatsoever. (Like when they draw Frank Castle all Tom of Finland-style.) My theory is that the better the writing, the less unintentionally homoerotic it’ll be because usually better writers can juggle the nuance between “these two dudes hate each other,” “these two dudes like each other platonically,” and “these two dudes want to fuck,” whereas bad writers write them all the same. Believe me when I say the Daredevil writers are a lot better at writing dudes who don’t want to fuck than many comic book writers I have read. And yet! They’re still not that good at it!

Anyway Matt and Foggy were never going to be canon, but don’t let Season 2 break your heart! By my rough count they have broken up at least eight times in the comics, and dissolved at least six law practices. They’ll work it out!