#and capochin had inspekta.

[legofemme]

The faster i finish my research proposal the faster i can write capochin and razzma hitting each other with chairs

[marseafish]

do all new yorkers do this

[yugsly]

Hey uhhh. Sorry if this is too spoilery. So that Zine. Mentioning Capochin. THE FULL ON EMO EXCLUSIVE.

Do you think Capochin and [Redacted] improve together? They got a lot of work to do?? Is it okay for them to be together?

I wanna know MORE and I just. People are SCARED for Capochin myself included uhhhh.

PLEASE I NEED ANSWERS

Hey, before I say anything- I know they're mine and Day's characters, but anything I talk about related to "post-game" or context not in-game is still "speculation". Meaning, not necessarily canon unless it was something recorded in dev-text or something I specifically had in mind while creating it, not after. I would never want to snuff out anyone's own ideas for what things "mean". THAT BEING SAID, I have some things to say- DO NOT READ ON UNLESS YOU HAVE COMPLETED THE GAME:

So, It's pretty complicated and I've thought about it a lot during and after making the game. Hector's got to do a LOT of work to even earn Capochin's forgiveness, if he'll even give it to him. (if most anyone will give it to him, really.) It's a silly cartoon game but yes, the situation is pretty grim. I mean, you've seen that cooking video Capo made. You've seen what he said when you faced him at the end of the line. All those implications. Without getting into specifics, yeah, the situation was really, really bad. But it's complex. It's not black and white. Hector and Capo knew eachother for a long long time even before Hector became Inspekta (a nosy person might have noticed the news clippings in Milldread). So they go way back- and I imagine things were pretty great up until, and a good ways into Hector ascending. But you know, there was a certain turning point- leading to where he ended up. Razzma speaks on this a bit, throughout. (Razzma has a lot of interesting background tidbits, explore giving her different phrases!) Him realizing that becoming a god didn't solve his insecurities like he thought they might... and more... I won't elaborate too much, because I want you to imagine it yourself. I only want to spread a few bread crumbs and let you make up your minds, even if I have my own thoughts, you know? Your question: "Is it okay for them to be together?" Well, that's up to you to decide. It's okay to imagine whatever you want. Capo forgives Hector eventually? Great. He never forgives him? Also Great! Do I wish I had more time in-game to elaborate on these things? Sure, I do. There's a handful of things I'd love to have explored. But I also like that it's open ended- you can tell, at the end, even though the day was saved, Hector and Capo feel awful. Sure, Capochin gave him that confidence boost to save the day- nothing he said was a lie- it was just the right thing to do in the moment. But you know, they don't really get a chance to really hash it out. It allows for y'all to really brainstorm, the world is your oyster. Whatever you come up with- be kind to eachother and respect eachother's ideas, okay?

[webbedbugge]

‼️‼️MAJOR GREAT GOD GROVE SPOILERS UNDER CUT ‼️‼️

Hey chat remember when capochin said he was the one who distributed the letters AND inspekta had him write them...gulp

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inspekta is shady as hell: a list of observations from me and @burnoutelysium compiled from discord

first, the obvious: everyone Immediately credits inspekta with cheering up ms mitternacht at the end of the demo (with capochin's prompting) and inspekta and co. Insist on coming with you to milldread... is it the bizzyboys buying into their own hype as the closest thing the grove has to law enforcement? or is it inspekta trying to make sure that future historians know that he saved the day, as per his letter?

SPEAKING OF LETTERS: every other letter that shows up in the demo's UI is allegedly written by king and addressed to another god - EXCEPT for inspekta's, which is a letter FROM him.

everyone else has nothing but nice things to say about king before their apparent betrayal, EXCEPT for inspekta, who apparently always knew they were a bad egg waiting to hatch.

in king's letter to ms mitternacht, they pawn their job off on inspekta as an apparent afterthought, since he'll never be respected anyway. except... A.) that job was Exactly how king came to be as beloved as they were, and B.) inspekta claims in a separate conversation with godpoke that he already gets no respect. a learned belief? or perhaps a bit of projection?

ms mitternacht also Repeatedly points out how un-eloquent the letter is - odd, considering that king was elected to become The Eloquent God.

inspekta is both the one who gives us that letter And the one who claims that king's goal is to become the sole ruler of the grove by letting the rift open, since the roles of human and god become reversed once on the other side. a god of leadership would know quite a bit about organizing a coup, wouldn't they?

anyways i have no idea if inspekta will be the Sole shady god in this shindig, or if we come to learn that Everyone has a few points of suspicion in the full game, but i will say he almost Immediately became way more endearing to me when i noticed these/had them pointed out to me.

[elkian]

A note on Great God Grove's core story (as in, MAJOR SPOILERS BELOW) and me, specifically:

An important reminder I got from playing Great God Grove is that I am susceptible to propaganda.

It's been argued that everyone is to some extent, but I don't know nearly enough about the subject to comment.

It's interesting watching LPs where the chat goes 'huh that's sus' about parts I blithely blitzed through. I've mentioned before that I had incorrect assertions of Bauhauzzo's personality; watching these LPs, I realize it's because almost all of the information I went in with came from a suspect source. The God Awards is a masterpiece of misinformation that completely went over my head the first time. I was going 'haha LimboLane is doing puppet videos again' and chuckling over how the BizzyBoys crammed Inspekta into Miss M's place, and was so accepting of the whimsy that I missed some red flags.

I thought the post-Milldread fight was odd - especially when Inspekta claimed he couldn't stop them because they wouldn't listen to him. The Bizzys are so excitable that it is plausible they might not listen... but he's supposed to be the God of Leadership.

The sword statues are weird and there's definitely an oversaturation of Inspekta merch in Hobbyhoo, but I genuinely didn't get a real clue until BuzzHuzz. And watching other people play, I'm catching all kinds of foreshadowing - Inspekta claiming to have intercepted Click Clack's letter, while Click Clack says Inspekta delivered it! The fact that Inspekta didn't receive a cruel 'King' letter of his own! And so much more! The game is absolutely rife with foreshadowing, but between the whimsy that's key to both LimboLane games I've played, the goofiness of the BizzyBoys, and how harmless and cute they seem for a while - that weaponized incompetence - that it took me, if not by surprise, then at least a really damn long time to truly catch on.

Something definitely feels weird by the time you reach Hobbyhoo, but I was on the fence - and it took me longer to be sure whether it was Inspekta or Capochin who'd initiated the whole thing.

This is far from the first time I've missed a hidden message or direction of a story until a major plot twist or outright revisiting it years later. It doesn't surprise me at all. But it is a good reminder. The Bizzyboys and Inspekta work as the villains they are because they are so adorable, and tiny, and harmless, and clueless! They're just lil guys! How can you be so mean! And that is a genuine risk in the real world, where truly nasty movements are shrouded behind absurdity and Disney-cuteness. Rick Brick referencing "family values" was as unsubtle as his namesake to the face.

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changes i noticed in the new GGG demo

compiled based on snapcube's vod and my own experimentation. this focuses more on changes in gameplay/overarching story than new character interactions facilitated by new dialogue, so keep that in mind. full list under the cut!

click clack is now the god of storytelling as opposed to the god of teamwork, at least according to bibo.

razzma v. tazz is either razzma's full name or her pen name (based on the fact that he is also addressed as razzmatazz.)

bizzyboy in da ferris wheel....? not sure if this is new actually

rodney (the dog) is here.

skolopendra is now in the very first section of the grove you encounter as opposed to being on the south island.

bug's got new dialogue if you choose to just keep standing there after he gives you his questline. you're creepin' him out!

very ominous black rabbits found near king cutouts. you can interact with each of them exactly once. said interaction is just the camera zooming in and playing a vine boom adjacent sound.

you can interact with the cardboard cutout of mitternacht and knock it down, but you can't interact with the one of inspekta at all.... hm...

new usable dialogue from P: P here!

new usable dialogue from jacqueline: get ready for pets, cutie pie!

new usable dialogue from skolopendra: tiny weak little bug.

new usable dialogue from rodney: BARKBARKBARKBARK

al had his shaboingboings before the cutscene introducing all the bizzyboys plays, but in the actual cutscene he's still trying gobble down that beachball. either this is a glitch or the implication is that al had two whole plates of shaboingboings and was still hungry afterwards so he ate the ball, and will then proceed to have another two plates of shaboingboings.

capochin calls inspekta "spek"... cute....

new usable dialogue from capochin: GET TO WORK, YOU LAZY PUP!

inspekta's van is also explicitly referred to as a campaign van. interestin'...

inspekta himself is a Lot more noticeably passive aggressive in this version lmao

oh shit they changed the handwriting in king's letter to miss mitternacht.

THEY CHANGED THE LETTER TOO.

whoever wrote this letter has generational trauma swag there i said it. "back where i'm from people WORK for their praise they don't just have godhood HANDED to them" okaaaayyy next you're gonna say you're one of the good ones and embarrass tf out of your kids in the process

i think peeps has a talking sprite now? i think everyone got new sprites for specific actions/responses/emotions actually, gods included.

miss mitternacht being of human origin is called into question; according to sirena, some believe mitternacht was never even alive to begin with.

al does not have his second plate of shaboingboings because he frew up :( but hey at least P joins him on his snack break :)

the beach ball is now a usable item that you can return!

new particle effect on mitternacht's model to make it clear that she is Constantly Crying.

more spanglish in razzma's dialogue. lots of emphasis is placed on her near-photographic memory when it comes to king, and he uses it a lot to calm herself down when he gets too emotional.

oh hey rodney's on this island too.

2nd ominous bunny appears

new eating sfx in the rift psa

the P puppet is going to town on that sandwich (not sure if this is new either)

skolopendra talks about how razzma took king's apparent betrayal especially hard.

new usable dialogue from miss mitternacht: I MISS MY ELOQUENT KING!

jacqueline is PICKING BUG UP BY THE HEAD!!!

new usable dialogue from jacqueline: I AM GOING TO EAT YOU.

"and the next thing you know, you're loading a boat with two of every animal. you don't want that, do you?" MISS MITTERNACHT....?

funny inspekta animatronic; you can free up inventory by feeding dialogue to it.

EDIT 10/15/2024: new usable dialogue from marsha: DON'T WORRY, MISSY! INSPEKTA WILL SAVE THE DAY!

feel free to add other observations in the replies/reblogs if you find em! >;P

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new demo observations - part 2!

these focus more lil crumbs of lore here and there that weren't noted in the first post. click here for part 1!

the rift emits a faint Ambience when the camera zooms in on it after you first arrive in the grove. best way i can describe it is like... brown noise. a bassline. something Deep but subtle.

you Can knock down the inspekta cutout on the first island by hitting it with an anchor/ball/etc. there's still no interaction prompt like there is with the mitternacht cutout though, i.e. you cannot knock it down with your bare hands. would not be surprised if this was supposed to be foreshadowing.

bizzy boys in general don’t seem to be very popular lol. they have a reputation for being loud, dumb, mischievous, and starved for praise. can’t say it’s inaccurate! mitternacht even starts crying harder after you tell her inspekta's going to save the day. oddly, razzma doesn't seem to hold their rowdiness against inspekta (although something tells me he really should.)

razzma wrote the big book of king quotes, under the name razzma v. tazz.

in addition to capochin-second-in-command-best-of-da-bunch-dont-forget-it, capochin also claims he is capochin-prettiest-handsomest-bizzyboy-extraordinaire.

al has eaten dirty laundry before. and grass. and dirt. and other bizzyboy's snacks. apparently many of them either don't eat on the job or hide their food from him to escape his endless hunger.

ban got the other letters in his name for giving capochin an hour-long back massage.

vib insults our fit if we call him a bug despite citing it as an inspiration in his default dialogue. very funny. also if you use capochin's words to tell him to get to work he gets Really into it. like moreso than any of the other bizzyboys. starts callin himself capochin's loyal pup. which could mean nothing.

inspekta can’t say “adorable.” it’s like trying to pronounce worcestershire sauce to him.

prior to ascension, inspekta was the leader of the bizzyboys on earth (duh.) when he assigned his role to capochin after ascending, the latter apparently reacted So strongly that inspekta thought he would die. apparently sometimes he wonders if it’s too much responsibility for cap…

calling inspekta a tiny weak little bug apparently reminds him of his human/mortal years, which is. Hm.

inspekta thinks P is cute, but otherwise doesn't have much patience for him at all lmao. does not care for his captain obvious tendencies.

IF YOU TELL BUG GOODY JOB ON THE GOODY WORK FROM INSPEKTA HE TRIES TO SELL YOU OUT BC HE STILL THINKS YOU’RE KING LMAOOOOOO. granted he could also just be trying not to piss inspekta off.

“if yew insist on solvin’ this mystery yewrself, yew be awful careful! the gods can be spiteful folk! proud, too! that’s what the last godpoke could nevah under-sand. i don’t want my godpoke to end uppy like king!” hi inspekta. what the fuck does that mean

“lettin’ words affect you this much? what a drain!” you would know somethin' about that wouldn’t you spek?

lulu seems more willing to trust a “king apologist” than anything else. using the "i miss my eloquent king!" dialogue gets more dialogue out of her than i think almost any other response. interesting.

i might have me a lil crush on her. don't worry about it.

why is king’s letter to milldread like. baiting people into doing blood sacrifice lmao. “oh how horrible… who could do such a thing…. probably a very brave person. probably someone who wasn’t a fuckin pussy” like Dude.

thinking. inspekta thinks king is trying to push all the gods apart yeah? but according to people like mitternacht and razzma, it doesn’t sound like they had all that much before king entered the picture? sounds like all you'd need for them to be at each other's throats again would just be for king to leave. so what's the point of the letters?

ok i'll stop here before we get into speculation. finished the demo by this point anyway!

[legofemme]

ggg spoilers but like character thoughts + inspektchin thoughts under the cut

I think a lot abt inspektchin being heavily heavily onesided but not even intentionally so on inspektas part because thats just. Not how he thinks. Ingame he treats you flirting with him as a silly "oh you" and then moves on immediately which. Yeah. Is because its a game and he cant just loop through being flustered for forever but when compared to the other gods's reactions its like hes straight up brushing you off. Oh, you think hes cute? Touching. Now back to the matter at hand...

As such i dont think he even noticed capochin had feelings. And if they were "fooling around" while he was a god inspekta probably just brushed it off as a little reward that didnt mean anything in the long run. Compliments on how good of a god and a leader he is are soaked up and he likes praise, but it means nothing because he knows hes a great god, he should be the only god, so compliments and such dont really. Matter so much. Even if he Did notice capochin had feelings he was probably like oh well its a silly little crush im sure hell get over himself

As a result i think its genuinely hard for hector to grapple with the fact that he may have hurt capochin in more ways than having him spread lies and promising him immortality and rulership. It goes much deeper than that, but he only ever saw capochins feelings as silly or transactional and would struggle to fully grasp that to capochin, these feelings were very much real and inspekta was leading him on and it hurt. Idk i think theyre very fun to think about even when it sucks