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[a-lil-strawberry]

I am a protestant, and have been raised in evangelical spaces all my childhood. I now go to a free Lutheran church, which is sort of basically like a cross between Lutheran and evangelical. Well, I have been somewhat removed from small groups of evangelicals for some time, but last night I went to a small group. Which was great! Except I forgot how little they think of Catholics and how casually they will say horrible, untrue things about my brothers and sisters in Christ. I have been working on undoing that propaganda that I was taught growing up, so to hear it again was simultaneously a shock, and so so familiar, because what was said is something I remember being told growing up and then myself regurgitating it to others.

One of the leaders of the group said (paraphrasing) "Catholics believe they can sin and do anything they want as long as they confess at the end of the week, so they go and do whatever they want during the week"

Yeah... Sure.... Some "Catholics" perhaps to this, but there could be "protestants" who do this same thing, but under the guise of grace instead of confession. "Christians" who use Christianity as a crutch through supposed loopholes they've found about grace or confession.

Anyways I don't fully understand the Catholic faith, but after knowing a lot of you from on here, I know now that this kind of thing is simply not true of true believing, devoted Catholics. I know you don't think you can just do whatever you want and run around sinning. I know you strive to be more Christ-like and put your sin to death.

[creature-wizard]

Most Protestant allegations against Catholicism fundamentally come down to "they're bad at religion," which is patently untrue. Catholicism is very good at religion, all things considered. What they are bad at is human rights. However, many Protestants cannot actually call this out because they are just as deeply invested (if not moreso, at times) in being bad at human rights themselves, so they have to make up shit.

[apilgrimpassingby]

Roman Catholics and Orthodox have got to knock it off with "Protestants have brutalist corporate churches". A particular modern strain of Protestantism has hideous modern churches. It's a depressingly common strain, and arguably the dominant one in America, but it's either ignorant or dishonest to pretend as though all Protestants have ugly churches.

Behold:

Clockwise from top left:

St. Peter's Church, Geneva, canton of Geneva, Switzerland (Swiss Reformed)

Barnes Methodist Church, London, England, UK (Methodist)

Dutch Reformed Church, Newbury, New York state, USA (Dutch Reformed)

St. Jude's Church, Glasgow, Scotland, UK (Presbyterian)

[traumacatholic]

I've been seeing this more and more recently, so I'm curious what you all think about this.

Feel free to include in the tags why you voted a particular way.

[protestantworkthatethic]

[religious-extremist]

Mistranslation by the KJV, Luke 11:28

27 As Jesus was saying these things, a woman called out from the crowd and said to him, “Blessed is the womb that bore you, and the breasts which nursed you!”

King James Version

28 But Jesus said, “Yes, rather, blessed are those who hear the word of God and keep it.”

Eastern Orthodox Version

28 But Jesus said, “Yes, and more than that, blessed are those who hear the word of God and keep it.”

The Greek word menounge (μενοῦνγε), translated above in the text of verse 28 as “yea, more than that,” but rendered inaccurately in the KJV as "yea, rather," is the same word which occurs in Phil. 3:8, where the KJV gives Yea, doubtless, and in Rom. 10:18, where the KJV gives Yes, verily.

The force of menounge is that it corrects the previous statement, not by negating it, but by amplifying it.

Philippians 3:8 “Yes, without a doubt, I consider all things as loss in view of the surpassing value of knowing Christ Jesus, my Lord, for whom I suffered the loss of all things. I consider them as dung, so that I may gain Christ.”

Romans 10:18 “But I say, did they not hear? Yes, most certainly: Their sound went out into all the earth, Their words to the ends of the world.”

Evangelicals and opponents of traditional Christianity often frame this statement of Christ as proof that His Mother was not holy or deserving recognition, that she was merely a vessel with little importance, and this perspective directly results from a mistranslation of Christ’s words.

Indeed, blessed is she who contained the Uncontainable: Christ our God.

Understand that Luke’s Gospel was originally written in Greek, so perhaps we ought to study the original language that the scriptures were written in to have a better understanding of Christ’s life-giving message.

Edit: I made a Part Two, I might make it a series. The second part is linked below!

[illustratus]

Scene from the St Bartholomew's Day massacre: Margaret of Valois protects her husband, the future King Henry IV by Alexandre-Évariste Fragonard

[canisalbus]

So regarding the fake names, and how it could be bittersweet for machete to have to give up his real name for the sake of anonymity and safety, I had this funny little thought that the entire church genuinely forgot his name from calling him machete for so long. So when they hear about his death, or hear his real name they just go “who?” In response. If he was ostracized as long as he was I doubt any of the enemies he had actually bothered to learn his real name, kind of another massively ironic twist of fate where the very thing that they could use to find him and they never actually bothered to consider it.

And now the question (if that’s okay, I know a suggestion for way to explain why he still is named what he is can be a little rude) Where would they go? Would they head north to where Germany or France currently sits? South/East towards the balkans? Even further north to the anglo-saxons island? I imagine they would need to find a place where the Catholic Church can’t find them easily.

I don't know how plausible it would be for people to completely forget his proper name, but I can't deny liking the idea of him being able to shed the Machete persona and attempting to revert back to his kinder and more sensible self. From the time before his work filed his personality into a set of sharp edges.

Truthfully, I'm not entirely sure, I haven't thought that far. Trying to settle in a protestant country would be distressing, since Machete dedicated so much of his life to counter-reformation causes.

[lilithism1848]

[idylls-of-the-divine-romance]

“It is okay — and in fact good and necessary — for members of a religion to engage with their religion in a esoteric and transgressive ways that are still healthy” and “Nonmembers of a religion should not use that religion and make jokes about that religion in ways that are disrespectful and churlish to the religion, its adherents, and its beliefs” are two statements that can and should be simultaneously believed.

[enriquemzn262]

Anime has finally officially become CATHOLIC

[disteal]

a collection

[thoughts-of-caly]

5 guys, 5 nights at freddys, 5 seconds of summer, what about the 5 solas of the protestant reformation (sola fide, sola gratia, sola scriptura, solo christo, soli deo gloria)

[girls--complex]

What does the "Quaker" in your pinned refer to?

The religious society of friends.

But announcing an allegiance to the religious society of friends is kind of ironic because it's a worship community defined in negative, no forms, no quirks, no special identity, no ignorance, no end to ignorance, no death and dying, no end to death and dying, etc.

I include it because I want to give people context of the kind of pluralistic, contemplative protestant Christ bhakti that exists inside of my mind. It's also true that it's my primary worship community supplemented with several diffuse covens of variously ritualistically inclined individuals. It's also-also true that I still have a liturgy brain despite it all and don't really think unprogrammed worship has some particular supremacy over ritualistic worship (not that this is a belief of quakers generally). Actually I think they should be next door to each other and take communion together and I hope they will in future centuries.

Oh, it also means that I allow God to make me physically vibrate at times.