#and Mike and his storylines
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Better call Saul is da best show evarrrrr xD
#.txt#bcs#better call Saul#no I’m literally at the end of season 3 (ep 8 so not rlly)#but holy SHITTTTTT there is so much to analyze and pick apart about the acting and editing#like I’m assuming the director has a lot of control over editing on TV#because like the way shots are paced and interspersed is sooooooo good and intentional#like I’m still deciphering some of the relationships like between jimmy and his dad#and Mike and his storylines#I didn’t notice before but MAN mikes arcs in early seasons reallly ties a lot of stuff together#and also like#thinking about the passage of time between events is also rlly interesting#the show is pretty specific about the date for a TV show and so all of the continuity is really temporally visceral#I can feel how long these issues have weighed on these people or the time they’ve spent just doing regular work to achieve their ends#ALSO GODDDDDDDDDD CHUCKKKKKKKKKK ITS SUCH A GOOD SEASON ENDING ITS FUCKING TRAGIC AND GRIPPING#THE WAY HIS LONELINESS MANIFESTS AS PAIN AND DISEASE#MAKES HIM LOCK HIMSELF AWAY#idk I am a lowkey chuck stan. like he’s a fucking prick but like Rebecca said. he’s mentally ill…..#talk to me abt chuck I love his storyline and how it’s shot
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There's such a double standard irt Mike and Will showing interest in other people
#im not talking like. full blown storyline with another guy#but just like#the IDEA of will even having another guy in his orbit at all who isnt mike#byler
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Lucas's arc seemed like he deserved to be put in his place and recognize that he was wrong for believing he could hope for better? And they did not even focus in his character that much. Most people say Mike has a spectacular forced conformity storyline waiting for s5 when we had a forced conformity storyline for Lucas but it was so sloppily written. I thought the forced conformity narrative is suppposed to be written good in any case for poc too, not just for your white character that you send a message with.
it feels like the duffers just don’t care enough to convey a cohesive message for lucas’ arc and/or don’t know how because on the one hand they’ve acknowledged several times the racism he faces both on and outside the show so they can’t even play dumb and yet they then constantly downplay what he goes through and so you end up with scenes like the end of s4 where he basically learns to know his place or whatever like..lucas is not in same boat as someone like mike who’s mainly bullied for being a nerd. he’s ostracized in a way that mike and dustin will literally never understand but the show almost never makes any attempt to show how he deals with that yet it’s explicitly talked about in an official book from his perspective (and i know lucas on the line is not technically canon but it’s still tied to netflix/st and if they had someone in the writer’s room who could’ve incorporated even part of the type of material from the book into the show i think it would’ve done wonders to flesh out his story) like i’m sorry if you’re gonna acknowledge that his situation is different than the rest of the party’s then you need to put more care into following through with that because the whole “i thought i wanted to be like you—popular, normal” scene was just..it felt like they were insinuating his main reason for joining basketball was just to be cool when we know it’s a lot more complex than that; he was trying to protect not only himself but his friends too even though they don’t face the same shit he does. and possibly even enjoy something new in the process god forbid. and you would think that he was ditching his friends and other interests for the basketball team when that’s not what happened at all? like he never started acting aloof with them or ignoring them, he was still very much in hellfire and he never turned his back on them he even used his status on the team to lure them away from where eddie was hiding even though everyone was saying he killed chrissy and lucas didn’t know what was going on yet. he never let his desire to fit in turn him into someone unrecognizable who needed to be taught a lesson and that’s why it pisses me off so bad that he was made to feel this deep regret in the end as if he made some huge mistake that he learned from because in reality he’s never been anything short of a loyal friend or strayed from his morals. and to top it all off mike and dustin get off the hook without having reflect on how they hurt lucas because apparently you should never support your friends unless you fully understand and agree with the things they want 👍🏼 idk.
i also think his conflicting feelings about helping his (ex) girlfriend deal with her grief for her canonically racist brother who traumatized and literally almost killed him would’ve been really interesting and important to explore especially since that most likely relates to the reasons he started feeling like it was urgent to fit in more in the first place but. none of that because this boy’s feelings are never taken into account
i also think everyone should read all of this
#and as far as mike stans go well if everything revolves around him in s5 and the writing for every other character was shit they’d still#call st the greatest show ever written and be dead serious about it so that’s what i’ll say about that lmao#so yeah this is all just my thoughts but i’d say the audience’s reception of lucas is equally their fault for not extending him the same#sympathy and interest as other characters and the writers for refusing to put more time and care into his storylines#*their own fault#asks#my brain is so fried for real right now sorry if this is super annoying to read
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no yeah i really love how every core 4 member got a real happy ending....except for ej
nini is happily pursuing music in la with her moms' full support
ricky is dating gina, a girl he calls "home". he's finally becoming more at peace with love and how to show it. he's learned how to not run from his problems. his parents are getting back together (???) and his drama teacher wrote such a good letter of recommendation that he was accepted into a community college
gina becomes a literal movie star and was able to change the filming location of her second movie, without any consequences, to salt lake so she can physically be with ricky, the boy she finally got to date after crushing on him since the day they met. she has a permanent home to call her own now. her mom finally showed up to an opening night and she was finally able to portray gabriella
and then ej...is alone (in a wildcat sense) at college, financially cut off from his family, working multiple jobs to afford it. he spends most of his season 4 screentime guiding and helping others (ricky, gina, miss jenn, madlyn) instead of an actual storyline and a lot of his lines were about how he's made mistakes and has to live with them
#um...ignore how nini has a singular sentence#but anyway#ej says that he's happy but compared to every other important character nothing happy happens to him#obviously you can be at peace with/like a less than perfect situation#but that doesn't make the situation good or that you don't deserve more than that#he's literally cousins with ashlyn#he has a connection to a main character and yet we hear nothing about how he's doing until admissions#hell his first mention in the season is terri talking bad about him to gina#and before someone says 'well he graduated already and this is about the students of east high so-'#lily was at east high for all of five minutes and she got plotlines INCLUDING dating one of the main characters#dewey freakin wood got an appearance in s4 when we're no longer at the camp...#jenn mike lynne and ben all have extensive storylines and they're adults#(and mike and lynne don't even work at east high like jennzzara! they're just ricky's parents !)#channing (someone who really didn't need to be such a big character) had a whole storyline in s3#even jarred had a storyline in s4 !!! AND HE WAS A STALKER !!!#can you tell i'm pissed#probably missed some things i'm going off of memory and rage#and it just seems like a poor writing choice to do nothing with ej until ep 5 when he was still dealing with his dad when s3 ended#<- something that could've been made into a storyline !! instead of just throwing it at us that ej was cut off#hsmtmts#high school musical the musical the series#ej caswell#nini salazar roberts#ricky bowen#gina porter#okay i regularly call them the core 4 so i think i've tricked myself into thinking other ppl do too...#tags are not as neat as i want them to be the thoughts just kinda spilled out but hopefully this all makes sense
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everytime i feel bad and stressed about my life i remember that i might be in a troubling situation and having a bad time but im not season 4 fiona gallagher in the clink after leaving crack on the counter which my 3 year old baby brother happened to ingest resulting in a fatal near-death experience thats wracked me with never-ending guilt and forever altered my life
#this storyline was stupid you expect me to believe two-apples-tall liam gallagher came close to the crack AND managed to ingest it?#the crack which is lined up on the kitchen counter?#Also i don't believe that fiona would be irresponsible enough for liam to have been able to be close to the crack#that was an ooc moment and not like “its ooc cause thats the point shes going thru a tough time”#morelike “so ooc that it seems like a discrepancy that was overlooked for the sake of drama and shock value#as an older sister i feel like being watchful of your younger sibling if crack is in their general vicinity is an unstoppable instinct#its just not a plausible situation sorry like this is coming from someone who wholeheartedly embraces the realistic idea#of fiona falling short sometimes and being very human by struggling to consistently maintain her doting attentiveness#but anyways it's complicated cause Fiona clearly put it somewhere he cant reach#so how did he get access to it????#its like getting mad at a parent for putting a glass of wine on the counter#not comparing that to literal cocaine obviously this whole situation was nonetheless messed up#but just for some perspective... the writers were clearly doing cocaine themselves if they thought that#liam was bungee-jumping onto the counter and showing off his skills as an apparent budding olympics gymnast#not justifying anything but. listen.#the fact that it was on the counter FOR A REASONNN shows that fiona was careful to keep it out of reach and NOT do something insane like#putting it on the table#liam somehow magically having access to it defeats the purpose of it being on the counter.#if they really wanted for it to be believable that liam managed to snort it they should've put it on the table#but we already know that situation wouldn't be believable in its entirety cause we know that fiona would literally never leave it there#WHICH IS MY POINT. LIKE THIS SITUATION IS JUST ANNOYINGLY UNBELIEVABLE. FIONA WOULD NOT DO THIS AND HOW DID LIAM EVEN GET TO IT??#theres like 39482939 overlooked discrepancies just for the sake of getting to the shock#just to circle back Fiona would literally never let liam go near crack no matter how far gone and fucked up she was#I KNOW THIS BECAUSE I AM AN OLDER SISTER.#its just so UGHHHHH anyways obviously i still think in canon yeah Fiona was at fault shouldve been more careful and watchful#no matter how you look at it its clear that a risk like this just cannot be taken and she had to be blamed to an extent#but me personally? i reject it because it didnt feel natural to me at all there were 394939 other ways to frame a Fiona downfall#And i loved all the other ways her spiral was shown like getting messed up and ending up in Sheboygan#all the shit she got into with robbie + the impulsive urge to ruin the good thing she had going with mike#so human and believable and deeply flawed unlike the liam situation which was horrifically OOC and unrealistic
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Wait a damn minute…
They’ve got Finn (Mike) listed first before everyone else in the cast on the Tudum site aka the most official, up to date site for the show besides Netflix.com?…
This got me thinking… I wonder if they—
!! MIKE MAIN CHARACTER ERA IS MAKING A COMEBACK IN THE FINAL SEASON OF STRANGER THINGS !! MARK YOUR CALENDARS 2024 !!
#stranger things#mike wheeler#byler#I don’t think they intentionally did this in terms of it being a literal smalltown boy reference#however if the duffers were to broadly explain the synopsis of the show…would they use the word smalltown?…#my main shock is Finn (mike) being listed first…#not only before Millie who follows right behind him#but also the older cast whose getting pushed to the end#which is a result of them choosing to put mike first out of all of them#you know what that means?#we’re going full circle#we’re going back to s1-2 roots#there’s literally nothing else they could mean by saying that#and it’s because the main difference between s1-2 and s3-4 is Mike used to arguably be the protagonist#and so… yeah that’s clearly what they’re referring to in terms of vibe#we’ll still get other povs and focuses just like we did back then#and there will be scenes with Will being the focus and el being in the focus for their arcs storylines#but Mike arguably is going to have to circle back and return to us as his own character as well#the ga is gonna realize they missed him dearly I can’t wait
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it’s funny how byler doubt *evaporates* when you think for more than 5 seconds about the basics of story structure, pacing and direction
#that is not how you execute an unrequited love arc#I saw a post that was like “think about how silly it would be if Mike found out the painting was from Will and not El and was like ‘oh ok’#and continued with his day”#what would even be the point of writing that plot in the first place?#that painting reveal is a bomb waiting to go off and i can’t wait#remember that something has to change for the characters at the end#they have to have something they didn’t have before#also if it’s true that Finn and Noah have actually been filming together as much as update accs say they have…#And El has a different storyline…#Well…#You can fill in the blanks
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The Eddie Munson-ification of Mike Wheeler, my mortal enemy.
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i cant stop thinking abt mike trying to mess w evan on his birthday while gregory consistently stops him. mostly bc flashlight duo hating michael is the best thing thats come out of fnaf
SERIOUSLY. like after a while of being friends (maybe a year or more) Gregory would have fully convinced Evan that hes fine to actually hate Mike, because at that point Gregory's gotten it into Evan's head at least a little bit about how he isnt what mike and his father say about him, and hes not stupid or worthless and doesnt deserve to be hated
mike on the other hand? oh yeah. Gregory's finally made it so Evan realizes that Mike is a shit brother (at least in this au, where he never gets a wake up call and nobody ever tells him to stop), and when mike tries to pull some crap on Evan's thirteenth when Evan stopped reacting as badly to his attempts of tormenting him, Gregory isnt having it and just keeps sabotaging Mike behind Evan's back, because man does Evan deserve to have a good birthday without the knowledge that somebody doesnt like that hes having fun enough to try to stop it.
#evan deserves to hate Michael as a treat#yeah i like michael but god was he an asshole as a teen#like he just sucked#and with his father doing the exact same thing and not telling him to stop and him never getting that wake up call with the bite#i cant imagine it would be easy or even soon that he would realize and try to be better#if at all#he would have to be an adult by then#and evan already has to deal with the damage mike did#evan deserves to never forgive mike for that shit#i love coming up with these storylines its so fun#pandas.txt#pandas talks#pandas asks#thoughts#flashlight duo#flashlight duo modern au#gregory and evan#evan and michael
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will people ANSWER his QUESTIONS. this is why he's not allowed to breathe the same air as joyce anymore. they'd actually figure out what's going on with him if they had the chance to brainstorm together
#i just wish joyce didn't get annoying storylines to keep that from happening#like. mike does too. but his are annoying in a storytelling way#joyce's are annoying in a ''you have winona ryder and you're WASTING her'' way#stranger things#st posting#mike wheeler#possessiongate#manifestation theory
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I think sometimes fans who are almost exclusively invested in the younger-teen characters are only interested in seeing the older characters (especially the older teens) in a support role to their faves. Which is a totally neutral preference, but then they confuse that preference with (a) what is good/interesting writing more generally and (b) what is healthy for or desired by the characters in-universe.
#I would also like more Nancy and Mike interaction#but people really want her to be his mom#and it’s soooo uncomfortable#and neither of them want that#granted I am very much not primarily interested in the party#ah I miss when the adult-adults got more mature storylines
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I actually see why this sounds so anti-byler
#I would like a few words with that interviewer#wdym that not exists in the actual storyline???#and let me be honest for a second but some lip glances that you slow down are a big reach#but anyway maybe he’s just uncomfortable in how people overanalyze some of his expressions#actually I’m curious to know what exactly was the question here#why did he think about Mike’s edit or what?
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So fucking done
#so apparently#it's taking away from will's storyline if he has a crush on mike#but not when he has a crush on his sister#and somehow a realistic and important coming out storyline is bad writing?#the ignorant straight is strong in this one#smh#will byers is gay#will byers#stranger things
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baby bendy is so cute :( come here :(
#and if he turns into the big scary demon again LMFAO#superhorrorbro (mike) rlly does a great job in breaking down game stories#as im not rlly the gamer type i enjoy listening to his analysis on storylines and endings#atm watching a bendy-related vid and i like it#always was fascinated by this game#just too scared sometimes to play it#toff.txt#batim#?
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The van scene, this beautiful, extremely vulnerable moment for Will about feeling like he's different, being followed by Brenner in the lab reacting to the massacre and El's powers... with the score being different extending onto that scene... idk man twelvegate ears are ringing
#stranger things#will byers#twelvegate#will byers has powers#byler#keeping yall updated with the basics#bc anytime i rewatch scenes from s4 with brenner there are twelvegate hints popping out at me...#that's a recent one that just felt hmmm interesting#especially bc the scene before that is about el getting back her powers#so we transition from el getting her powers#to will veiling his love confession by comparing his exact feelings for mike with el about feeling different and like a mistake#only for the next scene to be about the truth behind how el lost her memory about the lab massacre and the full extent of her powers#why do that?#when there are 7 other storylines going on#why flip flop between those storylines like that#unless there is more to it...#anyways willel twins confirmed#either literally or metaphorically#stay tuned
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David I'm begging you I just wanna hear about the year of 1817, 1817, the year that happened in 1817. TT_TT
#for reference as of this morning I had just finished ep 16#and there have been So Many Supplementals#I'm really enjoying the podcast but bbygrl he isn't even in France for the entire 37 minutes TT_TT#the siècle#this ain't about Lafayette I know his storyline#I heard what Mike Duncan has to say about him#across against all odds like three or four chapters#I feel like he even made a cameo appearance in Spanish America like My Dude#I've seen Hamilton#tell me more about starving peasants blease#tell me more Thiers foreshadowing#let Louis XVIII die already#update: okay Alan Hoffman sounds like a v sweet giant nerd#and it was cute listening to him geek out over his favorite historical figure#you win this round David this was exactly the break I needed
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