#also sorry for how non specific the Moxxie one is

[blitzobop]

Please reblog for a larger sample size ;3

[chaifootsteps]

Still thinking about Viv's claim that she thinks both sides are in the wrong and it's bugging me enough to do a quick episode run down to see how exactly that claim stacks up. Hopefully quantifying a bit more will help see where we're actually at

Ozzies: Between episodes 6&7 Stolas gets a personality transplant and goes from calling Blitzo his 'impish little plaything' and demeaning him to being head over heels for him, calling him by his name and bowing to him. When the car drives away the camera lingers on Stolas crying, though the episode ends on Blitzo and his emotions so we'll call this one even

Queen Bee: We see Blitzo's emotions in the aftermath in the form of a self-destructive bender, but noticeably what he says to Loona is that he's upset that he'll die alone. He doesn't say anything about being upset about feeling used or mistreated by Stolas (he even says his name along with the others before he throws up)

The Circus: Retcons galore backstory about how Stolas and Blitzo were childhood friends and despite using him for sex all s1, Stolas was apparently really in love with Blitzo the whole time?? It doesn't make a lot of sense but go with it. Episode ends with a song where Stolas not only implies Blitzo was somehow lying to him this whole time (Genius.com contributor suggests Stolas believed Blitzo actually loved him, which seems the obvious interpretation of these lyrics) but also makes him out to be a weak victim. He shows no guilt whatsoever for the part he played in making Blitzo feel degraded and used.

What’s between you and I Just a comfortable lie I’m the fool who believes When you look in my eyes

Seeing Stars: Stolas being framed as badass while he's choking his butler and it not being remotely bad on his part that he continues to sexually accost Blitzo in their first meeting after Ozzie's. Any criticisms Blitzo makes of Stolas (not remembering his own spells) are dismissed by Stolas with nonsensical arguments (it's relevant Blitzo can't remember Moxxie's phone number, apparently?)

Exes and Ohs: Stolas isn't in this episode or mentioned at all

Western Energy: Text message exchange after Ozzie's show Stolas giving a non apology where he doesn't actually address the problem, literally doing a 'I'm sorry if something I said or did upset you'. Episode ends on Stolas alone in the hospital where the viewer should pity him that Blitzo didn't come to visit :(

Unhappy Campers: No Stolas!

Oops: Blitzo dismisses the notion that Stolas cares about him by using examples obviously meant to favor Stolas. He is framed as jaded and unreasonable and Fizz is the obvious voice of reason. The imp who hates royalty is called a supremacist, Blitzo is the in between who dislikes Stolas and Fizz - the one who capes for royalty - is presented as in the right

Full Moon: Blitzo again criticizes Stolas, without getting to mention anything specific from s1. He is framed as going too far and tries to apologize. Stolas acts like the deal was a mutual thing even when admitting it was wrong

By my count that's basically no examples in Blitzo's favor. And I imagine if we counted all the Twitter likes from Viv on posts favoring Blitzo we'd turn up a big goose egg there, too

Careful, now! You laid out all the facts and stated them plainly, and we know that that makes a certain subset of fans angry and scared.

Viv can claim that "they're supposed to both be in the wrong" all she likes, but it doesn't mean a thing if every other word of writing in season 2 suggests the opposite. I guess the real test will come in Apology Tour, when we get to see who's actually doing the apologizing.

[dreamwreaver]

Maybe i was away from tumblr and fandoms as a whole for too long, but im honestly confused as to why people think that charlastor content=Charlie cheating on Vaggie? Wtf?

What, does this change the canon somehow? Do the characters themselves get offended lol? Im just so, so very confused... at what point did people took shipping so personally or dictated fan content must be faithful to canon??? This limits not only the fun but creativity as a whole!

Sorry for the rant, im just very confused because this is not the only fandom where ive seen this happening lately, smh.

Again, this is the result of normies discovering fandom during the pandemic and deciding to claim it without doing research into fandom etiquette.

Like, yes, antis and sticks in the mud have existed since fandom was solely analog, but they were a much smaller, much less annoying part of fandom. I do find it funny since one of the other problematic ships I'm into rn (ghostfang from spiderverse, look it up, get addicted with me) has a character who literally becomes the villain of the story due to his obsession with "maintaining the canon". I'm not kidding; they took on the entire concept of a person caring WAY too much about the canon and turned them into a bad guy.

As for charlastor meaning that Charlie cheated... I mean, some shippers like cheating subplots. Some people use it to vaggie bash because they really don't like her character. The problem is that they find one since fic or art and ascribe it to the ENTIRE group of shippers. (Side note, my condolences to the chaggiestor shippers because they arguably get it worse since they have to be like: am I a joke to you? All the time).

The funniest part of all of that is every single fucking charlastor fic I've read post show drop keeps vaggie and Charlie's dynamic EXACTLY THE SAME as it's depicted in the show. They're just explicitly NOT a couple either because they broke up or because they never dated to begin with. And look at that? Not a single thing about their characters is changed so it's almost like the relationship aspect of their whole relationship was an after thought when it came to the writing.

I could also go on about how vaggie doesn't pass the sexy lamp test for 95% of the season but that's a rant for another day. Or the rampant bi and acephobia. Actually the biphobia thing I'll include because it's topically relevant. One thing bi and pan people CONSTANTLY have to deal with in fandom and irl is the conflation that being attracted to multiple types of people means you are automatically going to fuck everyone; ESPECIALLY when it's a bisexual female character. Sluttiness is not a result of being bi, look at Angel dust for crying out loud! Or fucking... Blitz! Look at blitz! Blitz fucks anyone that's open for it for most of the season and no one says a goddamn word about him being a slut. Or moxxie. Moxxie's bi and he doesn't immediately jump back into bed with his ex even when everyone around him's pushing him to. But even if he DID I'm sure no one would cry that he's cheating on his wife about it. At the very least nowhere to the extent that Charlie would get heat for it.

And the notion that Charlie the bisexual in the relationship would do the cheating is rooted in that same biphobia and misogyny that affects most of how the rest of the fandom characterizes her since somehow she's just a naive uwu baby who can't think for herself and needs vaggie there to "protect" her or else she'll sell her soul to the first sinner that asks for it.

Please understand that if I roll my eyes any harder they will physically pop out of my head.

I personally don't like how a lot of non charlastor shippers tend to write Charlie anyways. I'm very particular about her characterization so I know by and large the safest bet to not see her totally Mary-sue'd is to read fics by my fellow shippers. And yeah, the cheating thing is a major no no for me except in the VERY specific instance of Charlie finding herself attracted to Alastor and doing everything in her power not to let it make her realize that her relationship with vaggie is over. She never actually cheats on vaggie, physically or emotionally, but the more she tries to fight the fact that she's growing attracted to someone else the more she has to take stock of herself and realize what's going wrong in her current relationship that that's happening. And again, it's like... maybe 3 total fics in all of the charlastor ones that tackle that. And that's fine! It's not something that should be on offer all the time. Essentially the cheating concept is something I only like if it's used for character studies and development is what I'm trying to say.