#also my head hurts?? kill me atp what the fuck just do it already

[alyimoss]

bringing this banger back

[zeephyre]

CR3: EPISODE 63 SPOILERS

I'm literally losing my mind rn guys

i haven't even finished the episode yet as im typing this, currently ashton is holding laudna as she cries on their shoulder after she sucked the life out of bor'dor.

i always had the suspicion that bor'dor wasn't telling the truth or telling a version of the truth, but i never really talked about it cause everyone was throwing out theories. i had an...inkling that he was connected to ludinus or just ruidus in general, and i was right in a way.

him being ruby vanguard is devastating but not surprising. it connected so many things that i chose to brush off cause i didn't want to seem paranoid. a specific moment being bor'dor killing the angel of the dawn father. during that scene, the way matt described the look in that angel's eyes as it died did not match the way that bor'dor retold it and i thought i had just...forgotten how the actual scene played out. now that i know, even tho i haven't rewatched that episode, i have a feeling that the hatred and righteous judgement i remembered was the accurate version.

i don't think bor'dor is bad, simply because i have no way to come to that conclusion when i know how easy it is to let fear and pain and anger drive you to vengeance -- the hellians are feeling it too, and i feel deep compassion for them so i feel for bor'dor too.

for all of ludinus' preachy bullshit he never gave me the impression that he gave a single fuck about the people who followed him or about the lives he ruined to accomplish his goal. i don't think bor'dor was some big wig, i think he was just a kid who was vulnerable and powerful and easily coerced. i do not think he is without blame -- his actions with the ruby vanguard have led to incomprehensible repercussions for everyone on exandria and outside of exandria too. (bear in mind, we don't even know how the apple bee's soul cycle has affected the fey realm -- or any other realms for that matter).

i think that there was no way bor'dor could have survived this night with the way it went. i don't think there could have been a moment where he snuck away. if he got a lucky roll, maybe. i don't think bor'dor died because /he/ was an unforgivable monster.

he died because laudna, ashton and orym were at their breaking point and none of them wanted to pull each other from that place of hatred and anger. they've spoken about feeling powerless -- terrified and angry at the situation they were forced into when they truly have nothing to do with ludinus' anger at the gods. orym, especially, has been struggling with his grief and his stubbornness, and this moment will have effects on all of them for these upcoming battles and hardships.

laudna. jesus christ. im so upset that delilah is back. or at least pieces of her are thriving inside laudna, seemingly every time she uses her necrotic magic. for a single moment, she felt delilah's complete control over herself and other people in a situation where laudna had no idea what to do and how to get shit done, and as soon as delilah had nothing left of bor'dor to scavenge off of, laudna was back to feeling weak.

i can't even process the lore drops of ashton's heritage and his father and the history of the hishari and the fact that abadina WAS an hishari ???? they need to go that cursed town soon or im gonna lose it. hell, maybe they're already headed there.

deni$e might say she didn't care whether bor'dor lived or died but i know that isn't true because she was a) the only person who didn't actually hurt him and b) she was trying the entire time to get the others to at least interrogate him. i don't think that would work for multiple reasons. bor'dor was yeeted to kingdom come so bor'dor would likely not have anything useful for them atp, and also bor'dor is absolutely not nearly as important to ludinus as they need him to be.

im gonna miss utkarsh 😭

i think that maybe if bells hells was together, he'd live. but ashton, laudna and orym are too... there's something dangerous about these three being separated from their people. dangerous for themselves mentally and for anyone who stands in their way. i NEED bells hells to be reunited again.

it's sad that the characters with such a strong history of loss and betrayal and abandonment and grief and loss of control would have the traitor amongst them. there is nothing that bor'dor could say that would lessen the pain orym feels having lost his husband and his father, of him and his friends being killed by a cruel, vicious comrade of ludinus', of the tempest being trapped /because/ orym was the one who led her straight into it. the gods are all good and well, but i don't think it will EVER be about the gods for orym. i won't say he's correct or in the right for his narrowed vision and hardened heart. he took that locket for a reason, and throwing it aside is a calculated disposal of that inherently inconvenient empathy orym has for people around him. he can't afford to feel. not now.

[idk-my-aesthetic]

isle kingdom au

so i’ve had this idea for an AU for a little while, but i don’t wanna actually write anything for it until i’m done w/ my current descendants wips, but i also wanna talk about it lol so ig im making a post? please send me asks about it i wanna talk about it.... anyway

**tw for child abuse and semi-graphic descriptions of violence.

basically the premise of the au is that even though he tried to get it passed at first, ben never went through with pulling the vks off the isle. he kept meaning too, but it just kept being pushed to the back of his list of priorities bc he was so busy w/ being king and never happened 

so bc of this, the core 4 stayed on the isle and never got off it. if you’ve read the stuff in my keep them close series u probably have a better idea of my hc of the isle, but the basics of it are that 1) most of the parents are really bad and abusive + the conditions are disgusting 2) none of the kids are really evil and 3) the vks are all kinda frenimes/rivals and will work together to keep eachother alive even if they act like they hate eachother or will even hurt eachother

so, in the ‘canon’ timeline before going to auradon the core 4 are a gang and slowly gaining power. they’re already the top of the vk gangs and are like gaining on some of the adult ones.

bc they never go to auradon, they just kinda keep doing what they already are and gain more and more power. but, as they gain power their parents start becoming afraid of them and acting like more abusive in attempts to keep the core 4 under their control 

ok bare w/ me for this next bit bc it’s gonna sound real ooc for like a sec then make sense

so, as they’re gaining power and their parents are haveing more and more trouble controlling them their parents are becoming more and more violent.

im not sure on the order yet, but basically cruella, jafar, eq, and malifacent all do something like really really bad to their respective kid, so one of the other core 4 kills them bc like. yeah. 

i have some vauge ideas of what each of them could have done and i don’t really know if i want to say them or even use them tbh bc they’re like.... bad, like real bad. which they kinda have to be, you know? bc like.... none of the core 4 would turn to killing if they didn’t have a real good reason, and their parents continuing the abuse that they always have woulden’t be enough, so the parents would have to do something really really bad for one of the others to justify killing them 

its important to mention that none of them kill their own parent. it’s always one of the other 4, im not sure who kills who just yet, but none of them kill their own parent. They’re saved from their parents by each other and they never really have any confrontation with their parents (which will change l8r 👀👀, let me explain)

Even tho they didn’t kill their own parents, everyone kinda assumed they did in order to take their places/gain power. A handful of their friends know the real story, but it’s mostly kept under wraps and it’s like general “knowledge” that they killed their parents for power. They’re not really hiding it or anything, I mean they did still each kill one of the 4 most powerful villains so it’s not like anyone is gonna be less afraid if they knew the truth. ppl just make assumptions and never really question them and they just let ppl think what they do

So bc their parents are dead and they let everyone assume they killed their own parent they very easily climb up the ranks and end up in charge of the isle bc atp they’re seen as the most ruthless/evil/powerful

So now that they’re in charge of the isle they start like..... actually making it a livable place. Ofc at first they try to make a version of Carlos’s machine to break the barrier, but they can’t get it to work so he just modifys it to steal magic from the barrair for them to use. (Another idea stolen from my keep them close series but like I like the idea lol)

And when I say they make it a livable place I mean they start doing stuff like building water purifiers, making like safe houses, establishing some kind of working economy, taking control of the barge drop offs and how everything is distributed, fixing broken electricity, etc etc

A lot of what they do is based off of Carlos’s machines and designs, which like obvi other ppl are helping him gather materials and for and build, since he has power bc he’s like one of the ppl in charge. And he like teaches other ppl how to do what he does and fix anything that goes wrong

Evie kinda puts herself in charge of setting up like medical centers + homes for kids and stuff. Also some kinda way to grow food. B4 they’re in charge nothing can really grow but they use the magic they steal from the barrier to make stuff grow. And evie can use it to make like lots of healing items and such

Jay ends up mostly in charge of like collecting and distribution of their recourses. At first like the barge is kinda a hugeeee problem to deal with bc ppl are fighting over the like moldy food and destroyed clothes and stuff. But eventually they get it organized and have stuff sent to the respective place it should, like clothes and scrap fabric are sent to a place that repairs and sells them, parts and electronics are sent to Carlos or his helpers, etc

Other minor vks like Celia, dizzy, the sea three, Diego, etc are all in this two but this is already really long so just know they’re like helping and like pretty high ranking/highly regarded. Send me an ask with questions please

Mal is kinda regarded as the ultimate leader/queen of the isle ig even though the other 3 have basically the same amount of power. Mostly bc her job ends up being keeping the adults who dislike them inline and keeping their power as heads of the isle

Most ppl are just kinda chill w/ them being in charge, especially a lot of the ppl who were banished for minor crimes. A few of the adult villains try to fight them and end up dead lol, and anyone caught doing especially bad things, like r*pe, hurting someone they shouldn’t have, being a child abuser, etc will end up killed by mal or one of the others. They don’t kill u for like every crime obviously only the like inexcusable ones. Stuff like stealing or mental illness or w/e they basically just help you work through

They’re aren’t any like real laws ig but they deal with issues as they go and give harsh punishments if needed. It serves to keep themselves seen as strong/evil/powerful despite all the good they do and helps keep others too afraid to challenge them. Like frollo isn’t going to challenge them if Ursula tried the same thing and got killed. (The fact that she abused uma and her siblings obviously had nothing to do with that,,,,,,,,,,,)

So yeah! They basically turned the isle into a inhabitable place in the years that they spent as its leaders, and it functions as its own kinda kingdom despite its harsh and confusing laws/rules

But we ain’t done yet, lol

Basically everything I’ve just explained is.... mostly backstory? Kinda? It’s the type of thing where you slowly find out about all this stuff while they actual story goes on, but I figured it’d be less confusing to explain it first :3

So the Actual story starts a few years after when Ben originally was supposed to take the vks off the isle. He, all the other princess/princes he want to school with, the core 4, the sea 3, etc are all in their mid to early 20s.

Auradon has basically no clue what’s the deal w/ the isle. They’re only interaction w/ them is through the like goblins that bring over the trash barges, but those guys are chill and basically don’t tell the aks anything lol.

So Ben is ruling his kingdom, and the core 4 are ruling their own, both sides are doing pretty well and ignoring each other, but then! All of a sudden there’s these sudden deaths/fires/some kinda terrorist attack on the outskirts of the kingdom.

I haven’t thought through this part too much, but basically he knows that they’re is some kinda threat, but he doesn’t know excatly what it is. All he does know is that the villain that is attacking is demanding to speak to the children of malifecent, jafar, cruella devil, and the evil queen.

He basically rounds up the heroes of those respective stories bc they’re all being threatened in some way or another. The mystery villain continues to do more damage and seems basically impossible to beat, and has given them a time limit b4 they’ll go and start destroying more

They discuss their options and decide their best plan is to go to the isle and convince them core 4 to help, bringing along the heroes and some of the main aks w/ them

Obviously it doesn’t go well bc they show up and mal basically has them arrested lmao

Again I have more in-depth ideas for this part but this post is already wayyyy to long so I’m trying to hurry and finish up

The talk, vks meet their respective heroes, everything is from ak/hero POV so as they explore the isle and talk to the core 4 and other vks they slowly find out about all ^^^ that stuff up there

The core 4 are eventually agree, and they go to face the villains only to find out its their parents who have been resurrected!!!! Fuck!!!!

Idk how or why just yet lmao but I will soon

Parents are obvi pissed, core 4 face their own parents and finally get like some kinda closer or smthn idk I feel like y’all get the gist

in the end auradon agknolages the isle as its own kingdom and the core 4 as its leaders and open trade/remove the barrier so the isle can continue to grow bc it’s been struggling due to lack of recourses

And that’s like the basic outline of my au! I wanna write it eventually but tbh I’m expecting eventually to be like 3 years from now bc of how much other stuff I have so for rn I’m just gonna blog about it. Obviously there’s a lot of other stuff/plots/emotional arcs etc I didn’t talk about bc like This Post Is So Long I’m So Sorry, So please please please send me asks/questions/comments/even your own ideas!!! Please. Everything about this will be tagged with “isle kingdom au” :3

[poisonousfey]

I read your Spun Sugar Peace part 2. I liked the part introducing the forsaken and eventually Sylvanas to the Horde, the group dynamics in particular. Trust and everything aside, how do you think the different Horde leaders developed their working relationships with each other?

so I've been thinking about this question a long time, and how I should answer it, because tbh I knew upon recieving this that it's either going to turn into an entire goddamn essay, or even another fic lmao

I think a lot of their working relationships develop firstly centered around thrall, because this is sort of an instance where everyone knows thrall but no one else, and thrall is essentially bringing them together to be one cohesive group. it turned out to be pretty effective, to the point where even though these people really have no business knowing each other let alone being allies, they're actually decently good friends. it's partly why all the leaders were really hurt, almost betrayed at the notion of thrall leaving during cata, and not only leaving, but leaving someone in charge who would seemingly go against all of that and split them up again. which, he sort of did, unintentionally, but everything that happened to garrosh was a two-way street and I'm not gonna get into that rn because that's another can of worms entirely.

anyway, what thrall essentially does is make friends w/ each of these people individually, and then p much invites them all to hang out at the same time. they're kinda unsure of each other, but hey, their friend said they're okay, and they trust their friend, so they're probably okay. I realize that's a really simplified answer and that obviously it's not gonna go that smoothly, but by the time everyone is friends individually, that's essentially what it boils down to, is that thrall treating each of them with respect and civility where they'd previously had none is kinda what prompts them to trust him and pay it forward, as it were. let's be for real, here, everyone on the horde is on the horde because they in some way shape or form got the shaft and had nowhere else to go, so him setting this example of respect and gentility despite the admittedly wildly different and sometimes contradicting cultures/customs is what leads the others to do so, as well. besides thrall setting the example to pay kindness forward w/ people who've probably gotten treated like shit a large portion of their lives, it'd probably be more on an individual basis how each of the leaders work it out. soooo let's take it from the top, I guess

(fair warning, SUPER long post behind the cut, w/ quite a bit of theorizing/headcanons)

let's start w/ sen'jin and vol'jin, since technically the orcs hooked up w/ them before they hooked up w/ the tauren. vol'jin I would see as sort of wary of joining up w/ the horde at first, since it didn't really go so well the first time around w/ the amani. sen'jin is probably wary, too, but is more willing to take a chance, partly because they don't really have a choice at first; it was either accept the horde's offer of help or die at the hands of humans and naga. so, tl;dr sen'jin gets captured by murlocs under the control of naga, thrall & the orcs and trolls do their best to break out of the prison they were put in and save him, but bottom line, sen'jin is really old and really hurt so he's not gonna make it. he just short of begs thrall to take the darkspear w/ him away from the isles so they can get away from the danger. so w/ that in mind, I can see vol'jin taking a super long time to trust anyone, really, including thrall, for pretty understandable reasons. trolls don't really have a good track record of hooking up w/ other races besides trolls, or even hooking up w/ other trolls in general. it doesn't tend to work out for them, because they've got a long history of violence and suspicion for anyone outside their particular tribe, partly because they're you know, inherently violent and suspicious on account of their societal environment, and partly because tbh, their chieftains as a whole don't really have a good track record of not taking advantage of this to further their own political gains and continuing that culture of violence and suspicion. which leads me back to thrall and vol'jin's relationship.

thrall sort of goes against a lot of these expectations, in that he's in a position where he could very easily advantage of them and, vol'jin's experience dictates that he absolutely will- it's why the darkspear fled stranglethorn in the first place. so for him to be put in this position of power and not only not take advantage of them but also treat them as equals if not as friends, would be a really weird experience for vol'jin, and one that he would take a very long while to warm up to, because you know, experience dictates that thrall is absolutely going to take advantage of the darkspear, it's just a matter of when and how. but it just never happens. that time never comes. I think what really seals their friendship is when zalazane decides to stir shit up, and the darkspear get kicked off their fucking island, again, and the orcs just open their arms to them without a second thought. like thrall and the horde have been handed every opportunity to screw them over on a silver fucking platter, and he just won't, for some reason, like it's not even a thought in his goddamn head, whereas w/ vol'jin, if given that opportunity, probably would've considered it at the very least, if only to keep his own tribe safe. honestly I see this happening as him and thrall are sitting in grommash hold trying to figure out where the darkspear can live now that they got kicked off their goddamn land for the third fucking time and he's offering for them to stay in Org and a switch suddenly flips, and vol'jin's like, "oh. this guy genuinely gives a shit about us. huh." and goes from being sort of standoffish and cold to the smartass asshole friend that picks on u for fun but is also ur ride-or-die and would probably also commit murder in cold blood for u.

the tauren go wayyyy easier, considering that they're like. the one horde faction that doesn't have a social environment that promotes suspicion for everyone outside your immediate clan/family group and killing as a legitimate, even common means of solving political problems lmao. no, they're pretty straightforward in comparison to the other horde factions, and even act as a fucking sponsor for the whole ex-villains support group they got going on. so yeah, cairne and thrall buddy up pretty quickly, cairne sort of slipping into a mentor role for thrall almost immediately. thrall collects dad and teacher figures, that;s just kind of a thing that happens in canon, and here's one that's actually emotionally accessible, particularly because cairne's already been there, done that; don't remember if it's canon but p sure the man has a fuckload of kids and grandkids. he knows what's doing. so yeah, orcs and tauren are fast friends because of similar lifestyles and a mutual need for help from each other, tauren needing help w/ getting the centaurs to fuck off and orcs needing help fucking off from their previous enemies that just won't let them fucking leave, for some reason

so anyway, cairne and vol'jin: you'd think they'd be fast friends b/c of the same reason thrall and cairne are fast friends, right? nope. Vol'jin is a goddamn adult. don't get me wrong, Thrall is an adult too, but he's like, barely 24 atp and hasn't really had a proper father-figure for like, 22 of those years, so obviously thrall's gonna warm up to cairne real fast. vol'jin, however, is the troll equivalent of being in his 30s, probably. I can't really give an actual number estimate because iirc a recent Q&A referenced trolls having about the same lifespan as bloodelves or dwarves (which is 200-300 years iirc), it's just that they rarely live that long because trolls tend to keep fuckin killing each other before they reach that age. and honestly even if I remembered that wrong I still sort of headcanon trolls being that long-lived anyway, because that's the only way that vol'jin remembers being in stranglethorn makes sense, because the darkspear got kicked out a ways back. anyway so, like I said before, vol'jin is gonna have a hard time trusting anybody, because experience dictates that at some point he's just inexplicably going to get fucked over. however, cairne being an actual reasonable person and treating vol'jin w/ respect probably helps smooth things out. like it's not gonna get him anywhere quick, but it's helping, at least. then, when finally vol'jin realizes "oh fuck wait these people actually give a shit about me & my people," that's when he starts to warm up. what probably helps is that they've got quite a bit in common. they've got similar lifestyles and problems, tho tauren tribes aren't as nearly as antagonistic as troll tribes are, probably because they've got bigger problems and quite a bit more space to roam, but it's still the mentality of putting your tribe first, and getting harassed by neighbors with a lot more strength than you have.

also I like to think that they've got a bit in common in the way of having large families- this is mostly headcanon on my part, but I'm p sure that like cairne, vol'jin has a pretty large family. I see trolls viewing polygamy + polyamory as acceptable, and while for a while there it was pretty deeply rooted in patriarchy sort of shit, like how it still kinda is back in stranglethorn, nowadays w/ the darkspear it can go either way, like you can have multiple wives & husbands and you just live on a homestead on the same property. like no one has to live all in the same house b/c that's crowded as shit, but homesteads, w/ lots of little houses, are okay. anyway the point I'm making is, vol'jin canonly has at least one kid, reportedly his "youngest son" (yenniku), and we have no idea where he came from, as well as he for some reason still being in fuckin stranglethorn when we the players go and find him. so I'm saying that vol'jin probably has like, idk, 2 wives and quite a few kids. he and the 2 wives are all married to each other, so it's not just them being married to vol'jin. anyway vol'jin's kids get along w/ cairne's kids, and that plus the both of them getting along w/ thrall, leads them to becoming friends ala "maybe we should get to know each other better b/c our kids are friends and we have a mutual friend." like w/ them it's very organic. most of cairne's relationships are very organic in their formation, because he's actually a pretty stable person.

sylvanas entering the picture is when things start to get complicated, because just entering the scene, she's got a lot of things working against her: she's a high elf, ex-alliance, undead, and ex-scourge. everyone is initially wary of her upon hearing of her, and for good reason. she knows this too, and she knows it's justified, even though she's pretty justified in being upset about it. I actually had to look up how the forsaken came to join the horde, because like?? I feel like it's not really addressed in game, because by the time vanilla starts, they're already a part of it. it's partly why I wrote spun sugar peace to begin with, because there's just so much shit that isn't covered in game that apparently happened. anyway so apparently, according to what canon I could find, it was the tauren, specifically the druids and hamuul runetotem, that vouched for them. and honestly, that's really interesting to me that it was the tauren that went "oh nooo poor baby come here let me take care of you" because from what I could find, what really makes the tauren take them in is the forsaken trying to cure themselves of this really really awful condition. like the forsaken reached out to a lot of the horde factions after things went sour w/ the alliance, and while the orcs and trolls were like idk about this guys, the tauren took them like like they were rain-soaked kittens sitting out in the cold, and I think it's in part because of their lack of history together, unlike the orcs and trolls who have quite a bit.

so after the tauren vouch for them and shit and thrall decides "ok let's give them a chance at least," this is where shit actually starts w/ sylvanas personally, because before everything was through emissaries and amabassadors etc. again this is where thrall's sort of paying it forward w/ respect and kindness come in, because I feel like when sylvanas came to meet everybody for the first time (probably when the forsaken were formally joining the horde) she showed up wary and w/ her own prejudices to deal w/ and preemptively pissed off because lmao alright let's see if this turns into a trainwreck like the last couple of things did, lookin @ u garithos

and she's kind of disarmed when thrall greets her like an equal and w/ the utmost respect and courtesy because ???? what the fuck. how the fuck is an orc respectful. what the shit. and honestly like, she wasn't really expecting much from orgrimmar- like she was expecting a city?? but not one this big and functional and holy shit, they worked fast. so everybody sits down in grommash hold and cairne pulls out her chair for her n shit and honestly it's just really nice just to be treated like a person?? it's been a really long time, holy shit. she's like, kind of baffled that it's coming from people who were her fuckin enemies like maybe a year ago, but like, fuck okay I guess this works. like they were the only ones who said "yeah okay let's be allies" so she don't really got a choice but like. this isn't actually all that bad. like it's wayyyy better than she was expecting it to turn out. like obviously she's not gonna call them friends, at least not immediately, but, friends are kind of hard for her nowadays, and being disarmed w/ this sort of kindness & respect really helps. like her friendship w/ thrall won't ever get particularly close, and their friendship probably mostly develops through being "work friends", but she does get to a point where she does actually consider them friends, and that's like, really big for her tbh. like she doesn't have to be on edge around him, she can just chill and it's okay. anyway sylvanas is also ride-or-die, because that's. kind of just how she does it, and kind of how the horde does it, so even tho like, she doesn't get particularly close w/ anybody at this point, she's still willing to do a hell of a lot of shit for the people that actually fucking took in the forsaken.

cairne she probably warms up to soon after thrall, because cairne and her don't really have any underlying history that would prevent them from trusting each other, and it's the tauren who said the forsaken weren't monsters first, that they're just people who got really really unlucky and need some help getting better. cairne again is another work friend, p much, but things are never really awkward between them in the way it can sometimes get w/ thrall and vol'jin. he's very sweet to her, in the way that nice old grandpas are, and tbh she really missed this sort of treatment/interaction. honestly? I think she'd actually be better friends, like actually-friends-outside-of-work friends, w/ baine. baine and her have a little more in common, I think; they both work hard, and they're both kinda quiet, usually, and I think that superrrr later one, like when sylvanas becomes warchief, she's really glad to have baine at her back, because he's super steadfast and loyal and is actually straightforward w/ her and as a general rule.

vol'jin and her interactions are interesting though, because trolls and elves have a list of grievances w/ each other a mile long, but again like, atp, the forsaken and the darkspear have a hell of a lot in common. both got chased out of their previous factions, both sort of fit that niche of sarcastic, violent misfit, and neither shy away from older, darker magics. they're not really friends for a while and mostly just put up w/ each other for the sake of the horde, but their interactions are interesting b/c they don't really have a reason to put up w/ each other, let alone like each other, outside of this. so they're sort of lowkey antagonistic w/ each other but they're not really picking fights so much as seeing how far they can go w/ each other before they hit the wall, the wall being accidentally poking a little too hard at a weak point, or thrall or cairne catching wise to their antics and telling them to stop. it becomes sort of a game for them, and it's actually fun for them, since they're weird fuckers that enjoy being mean for fun and this is a way they can actually do that without lasting consequences. like they do this b/c they're testing each other, keeping the other on their toes, and while thrall might wish they got along better or cairne rolls his eyes at them, they wouldn't have it any other way. this friendship works for them, and it should be noted that after a certain point they don't take too kindly to people joining their game. I can imagine that, further down the line when it's garrosh in charge and she and vol'jin are pissed at thrall for leaving them, garrosh tries to shit on one of them and the other is just Not Fucking Having It. like they pick on each other and it's okay because obviously they're still gonna put up w/ each other, but garrosh picks on them and fucking means it, and that's not okay.

honestly I could keep going w/ the other horde leaders, like lor'themar and gallywix and ji and baine etc. but uhhh I think I've gone on long enough lmao