#along came wanda

[blazethecheeto]

their outfits THEIR OUTFITS ALL OF THEM IN THEIR FUCKING OUTFITS. billy WHY IS NO ONE TALKING ABOUT BILLY MIRRORING HIS MOTHER WHEN HE PUT HIS HOOD UP AND WALKED AWAY FROM WESTVIEW

agathario kiss agathario kiss IM AFDOIHJNDBKFJSLDF AND THE 'my love' and the 'you love me' ILL CRY THE KISS OF DEATH ILL CRY WHAT WAS THAT MASTERPIECE. ACTUAL MASTERPIECE.

[novelconcepts]

Obviously next week could prove this all dead-wrong, but I don’t think the trial’s quite over. I don’t believe the end of that episode actually took place, because I’m pretty sure we’re still firmly in the “punish Agatha” phase. Rio’s suddenly gone. Alice seems to be dead by Agatha’s hand, and no one—including Teen, who has always been on her side—seems primed to believe she was out of control. The others have been sucked beneath the power of the surrogate son who not only just told Agatha to fuck off, but went full-Wanda to do it. It just all seems too tailored to cut up any of the character progress Agatha’s made on the Road thus far. Getting harassed by her ghost mother and hearing her son’s voice don’t feel like a complete tear-down. This does. It feels like more trial.

[draco-glacialis]

AU - The Coven survive the Witches Road (all live including Sharon)

Warning for child abuse (Evanora Harkness)

Whatever you do don’t think about Evanora Harkness refusing to feed Agatha. Evanora starving Agatha as punishment. Agatha growing up always hungry as a result. Agatha never learning how often your meant to eat or how much. Agatha leaving Salem and still not being able to learn these things because no where/one accepts her. Agatha ensuring Nicky never starves. Agatha ensuring Nicky never goes hungry even if it means she doesn’t eat. Agatha ensuring Nicky never feels how she felt, still feels. Agatha after Nicky’s death going days with eating or sleeping. Wanda’s Hex not including self care. The citizens of Westview having to check in on “Agnes” to ensure she hasn’t injured herself and has eaten at least one decent meal. Mrs Hart Sharon being the primary person to look after “Agnes”. The Coven learning that while Agatha is an amazing cook; she goes days without eating or sleeping because of Evanora (and other trauma). The Coven having to help Agatha learn healthy eating and sleeping habits. The Coven seeing Agatha (for who she is, seeing her human side). The Coven who doesn’t leave her, abandon her, turn their backs on her.

Funny bit I guess to make up for the angst:

Rio learning humans are meant to eat a decent at least once a day. Rio watching a Snickers ad and hearing the tag line “You’re not you when you’re hungry; have a Snickers”. Rio realising how unhealthy Agatha’s eating habits are. (Yet another reason to turn her mother-in-law into a toaster for the rest of eternity). Rio deciding that part of the reason Agatha was hiding for centuries was because she was hungry. Rio cooking Agatha meals in the middle of the night. The Coven waking up in the morning to food on the kitchen side (in various states of burnt (Rio never learnt how to cook, she never needed to)). Them not being able to figure it out. Rio giving Agatha food randomly. Agatha being left very confused and without answers (Rio had to leave after for her job). The Coven having a movie night and the Snickers ad comes on. Rio questioning Agatha about if she wasn’t acting like herself because she was hungry. Agatha facepalming. The rest of the Coven losing it laughing. Rio’s having a confused puppy face with the head tilt. Agatha explaining everything for once (Jen put a truth potion in her tea/coffee as a prank).

[wishchip106]

thinking about how when i first watched multiverse of madness and i saw Charles i went

“oh hey its that bald guy from xmen huh, was it professor x? no clue”

and then after becoming obsessed with xmen and i watched it again i went (when he was revealed)

“OMG ITS BABYGIRL HIIIIII 😻😻😻”

my priorities changed for sure

thinking about Erik in that world finding out his daughter (from another universe) killed his husband

damn 😔

we got live action banana chair

honestly, burn it

[onceuponalegendbg]

Imagining Wandavision with the added context of AAA is funny because what do you mean Agatha was definitely hitting on Wanda at every turn and also completely sincere and hopeful when one of the boys said Wanda could bring back the dead?

What do you mean Wanda and Agatha are both people who don’t know how to properly grieve for the ones they’ve lost and deal with that in different but similar ways?

[scarlet--wiccan]

Are you watching the Agatha show? I don’t have any desire to but I’ve heard some things about them leaning very heavily into the antisemitic and antiromani elements of like, “witch lore” and stuff, that sounds unbelievably vile (in addition to the already horrible things you’ve discussed). Namely Agatha stealing and eating children and Billy having to get in an oven. Are those things that actually happened in the show?

Yeah, I've been watching it. To be clear, I've been pirating it. You couldn't convince me to pay for Disney +, even before the boycott. But because there is a certain degree of ambiguity around some of the characters and adaptational choices, I want to be informed when I talk about the show.

To date, yes, there have been a couple of throwaway jokes about Agatha eating babies. My impression, so far, is that the show is very preoccupied with pop culture depictions of witches and witchcraft, which, as you can imagine, are shallow and frequently veer into racist territory. This is evidenced by several homages and references to other movies, and many facets of the show's worldbuilding. The baby-eating jokes are just another aspect of this. Agatha frequently makes glib asides about witch stereotypes, the history of witch trials, etc-- either playing into those tropes to make herself seem comically sinister, or else dismissing them in a humorously derisive tone. These sort of jokes are a lot less funny when you're aware that many of those tropes are based in racism and antisemitism, and that witch trials are a part of actual history that, in the real world, were less about witchcraft, and more about religious zealotry, racism, and abuse of power.

All of this just feels extra tone deaf in light of the fact that the show features multiple whitewashed Romani and Jewish characters, it's pulling directly from material that talks very openly about that heritage, and it's built on the back of Wanda/Vision, which did the same thing to an even greater degree. You know, it would be one thing if these characters were just taken out context, and that was the end of it, but it's never just that-- these offensive references persist in spite of the erasure. For example, Lupone's character, Lilia, exemplifies the caricature of an eccentric gypsy fortune teller, despite having been rewritten as a white woman from Sicily.

To be clear, I believe that the folkloric concept of witches-- who, in this context, are more often represented as non-human monsters or spirits-- abducting and/or eating children, can and does exist separately from blood libel. But, that trope has also been closely entwined with antisemitism for a very long time, and with Agatha, we have little choice but to read it through that lens.

As for oven thing-- I do think there is a bit of nuance. Part of the show's premise is that the cast has to traverse a series of surreal magical realms. In this case, they're trapped in a house that is rapidly flooding, and an unexpected exit appears when the oven door pops open and reveals a portal they can escape through. The optics aren't great, and my first thought was that they could have just as easily used a cabinet or the fridge. But the oven was deliberately chosen so that Lilia could make an aside about the witch from Hansel & Gretel-- again, the show is obsessed with making these little nods and references. Given the set-up and intention, the oven situation feels more like an unfortunate coincidence than other, much more overt instances of racist and anti-semitic tropes. But because Lilia and maybe-Billy are in the scene, and there is an established precedent, we do have to acknowledge the image it conjures.

[modernmessydisaster]

Agatha All Along Spoilers

So for next weeks episode, are we gonna get.

It was Billy All Along song?

WAS THIS ALL A REVENGE SCHEME AGAINST AGATHA & GETTING WANDA BACK!?

[appropriatelystupid]

thinking about

teenage agatha, trying to learn her power but left unaided by her own mother who tries to kill her instead, and about

teenage agatha, now alone in the world, all the people closest to her dead by her own uncontrollable power, crossing paths with death when the bodies keep piling up, and about

decades of agatha and death falling so inconceivably in love with each other while agatha does whatever she needs to survive in a world where she will always become the villain of any coven she joins, and about

agatha wishing for nicky so intensely that she creates him through the sheer force of her love and longing for a connection that can stay, and about

death coming to break her love’s heart in a way she never wanted to, and about

death being so in love that she risks the balance of the universe to give her love as much time as she can with her heart made manifest, and about

agatha not knowing how much time she has with her son and taking more and more lives just hoping it’s buying her more time, and about

time running out

about agatha burying her heart and vowing to reject the love of her life for the rest of hers, and about

decades of death coming back to agatha desperate for her to understand that there was no time left to give and that she never wanted to do her job less than in that moment, and about

agatha being so unable to accept that it was the way it had to be that she gets the darkhold and hides herself away, and about

death spending centuries looking for agatha because she will always love her and she knows she’s not dead but she also knows she’s not okay and she’s so desperate to at least be able to watch out for her if nothing else, and about

agatha still being haunted by death even though she’s hidden herself away, knowing every time she kills, the woman she loves will be coming and surely know it was her but still won’t be able to get to her, and about

after centuries, death finding her love again, unveiled but fractured, and about

death knowing it’s likely futile but determined to take one more chance to get agatha to understand their mutual pain in what happened, and about

agatha being so tired from running and so lost about what’s happening that she almost almost gives in, and about

death knowing it’s not genuine or bound to last and having to break her heart all over again, and about

death being shocked and heartbroken that her love finally comes back to her only to use her own power to end her mortal life, and about

death preparing to bring agatha back to her son finally, likely to never see her again, only to lose her again when agatha refuses to go with her, and about

death having to live in this new reality where she truly may never see the love of her life ever again

[queenofthursday6599-blog]

You know what I find like intensely bewildering about the FOP fandom.

Is the fact that somehow it's still a debate among people about whether the kids in the Channel Chasers flash forward, Tammy and Tommy, are Timmy's kids with Trixie or Tootie.

Like they're very obviously supposed to be Tootie's kids.

Even when I saw Channel Chasers' ending as a literal kid, I instantly clocked the fact that Tootie was the mom and not Trixie, because neither kid looks anything like Trixie, and both have stuff inherited from Tootie.

So I'm putting this debate to bed right now.

The girl looks essentially like a mix of Tootie and Timmy's design (with long-ish hair that's down), while the boy is just Timmy with black hair and Tootie's nose and skin tone.

[What Tootie's skin tone was at the time Channel Chasers came out.

The show runners change the saturation of the show like 3 or 4 times over the years, and outright change some character's skin tones at some points.

Wanda for example also originally had lighter pinker skin in the earlier seasons, but it was changed to the same tanner/more orange toned skin as Timmy and Cosmo's.

Tootie however retained the lighter pinker skin, it's just that as they upped the saturation, her skin turned more pink.]

The Twins:

Tootie:

Timmy:

"But Trixie has black hair and blue eyes too, and the girl is wearing a headband just like Trixie's, so Trixie could still be the mom"-

Trixie is asian. Trixie is asian. Trixie. Is. Asian.

We can see Tommy's eyes, and we can tell he didn't inherit Trixie's eye shape, even though that would be perfect for making him not look like Timmy with his hair dyed black.

Not to mention neither has Trixie's nose. Or her height. Neither are rocking a turtle neck sweater, or boots.

Neither have Trixie's straight across bangs, the girl doesn't have Trixie's winged little eyelash, she has the same tri-prong eyelashes as Tootie.

Not to mention the girl twin's styling. She wears a plaid skirt and glasses just like Tootie's.

Sure she's got a pink headband instead of high pigtails like Tootie, but you know what other female character wears a pink headband?

Both Timantha and Timeena (only showed up in the comics, and is also a fairy), Timmy literally as a girl, wear pink headbands:

"What about the fact that Tootie has braces and Tammy doesn't?"

Tammy doesn't have any kind of tooth division at all, not even one showing where her top and bottom teeth separate in a lot of her scenes.

Even if the kids aren't a total one to one match with Tootie, they still look far far more like Tootie's kids than they do Trixie's.

Like even if the mom of Tammy and Tommy are someday confirmed to officially not be Tootie (which I doubt they'll ever do), I still wouldn't believe it's Trixie over just someone who looks pretty similar to Tootie and has a lot of the same features as Tootie.

As I've gotten older I've just become convinced that the people who honestly believe that Tommy and Tammy's mom is Trixie have just always been hardcore Timmy/Trixie shippers, and just didn't want to believe Timmy ended up with Tootie.

Which is fair. I don't want Timmy marrying into Vicky's family, or to Tootie at all. Girl has no boundaries, and is part of the worst possible family situation to marry into.

Considering A New Wish shows that Vicky hasn't changed at all in 20 years.

Also I know the show runners say that they have some traits of Trixie also thrown in to the kids to make it ambiguous who their mom is, but like where?

They don't have her eye shape, her eye color (they don't have Tootie or Timmy's eye colors either), her eyes being wide set (compared to Timmy and a lot of other characters), her nose, her height, her bangs, her eye lashes, her fashion sense, her straight hair.

They have literally nothing from Trixie, on either of the kid's designs.

Other than the fact that the girl wears pink and white, and a headband. But that's also just the color pallet of Tootie & Timmy combined (or just Timantha's), and all of Timmy's girl versions also wear some kind of headband.

They 100% designed Tommy and Tammy to be Timmy & Tootie's kids, and then decided that the mother was "intended to be ambiguous" when Timmy/Trixie shippers decided to head canon Trixie as the mom because we never see the mom or have her name dropped.

Because shipping drama fuels fandom interaction, which fuels ratings, and they didn't want to alienate the Timmy/Trixie part of the fandom by confirming Timmy/Tootie was endgame.

Though they tossed the idea of it being ambiguous who Timmy ends up with out the window in the live action trilogy and just made Tootie the end game of that canon.

So yeah, I've always thought Tootie was Tammy and Tommy's mom, but here's all my proof and reasoning.

Which as someone who did ship Timmy/Trixie as a kid, you could imagine that seeing Timmy's future kids look like Tootie and my main ship for the show wasn't endgame was kind of upsetting.

I could ramble on about the reasons why Tommy and Tammy are obviously Tootie's kids and not Trixie's for a whole lot longer. And the fact that they show up on Trixie's family tree on the wiki but not Tootie's, even though it's canonically supposed to be unconfirmed either way, irks me to no end.

But I'm going to cap this post right here. Maybe I'll bust out my punnet squares, and show why I think Tommy and Tammy being Trixie's is genetically impossible, some other time but I've thought about this too much today. But that day isn't today.

[thetimelordbatgirl]

If that is Billy Kaplan in Agatha All Along, they really said do not even try to introduce his love interest from the comics, aka Hulkling, while also write him with gay stereotypes in mind and have him be played by a non-Jewish actor (like mother like son I guess).

[purple--queen]

i think Yelena & Wanda would be great friends.

[krittec]

mmm new marvel project that i can’t fucking escape mention of despite muting everything marvel related and having to see the whitewashing over and over again and the not at all subtle racism that marvel has manufactured with their endless erasure, how exhausting.

[wandaxpietro]

relapsed thinking about eriklorna again. fucked up fucked up fucked up

[phoenixes-and-wizards]

y’all i

nick has a “best vocals” award because in real life he was the one who came up with the tune + the original lyrics for what was supposed to be a silly inside joke between them but ended up meaning so much to mother and son that even under so many layers of wanda’s chaos magic, agatha still managed to remember the melody (she was humming it in the squad car in the first episode), along with one good memory about her child: that he had a lovely voice and that the ballad was THEIR song UGH this show is GENIUS

[lanfear-is-my-darkmistress]

Can someone please make a Wanda and Agatha fic I feel like my Wagatha fics have gone down since Agatha All Along came out. It's like y'all was just looking for a reason to kick Wanda to the curve. I wanna read fic where it's not about people bashing Wanda in favor for Rio and not about Agatha cheating on Wanda with Rio for once. Or at least make a fic with all 3 of them getting together in a relationship. Jac confirmed that she wanted to Kiss, Kill, and destroy the world with Wanda where are the fics about that