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Solid Lily: "Anthony Gr-Gramaglia or however he pronounces his stupid name..."
First. It's Anthony GRAMUGLIA. It's ITALIAN. 🍝🍕🍦🎶
Secondly. Your name is stupid! Lily Orchard sounds like the name of a Californian wine valley or a retirement home for elderly people. Hell, I just found out that it's also the name of middle-class, family home estate in North Carolina! No I'm not kidding!
Think about getting an another name, sister. I'd start by changing your last name to "Livered".
Hey, all I'm suggesting is a more appropriate name.
#lily orchard#venom lily#solid lily#anthony gramuglia#agramuglia#ant gramuglia#anti lily orchard#lily orchard critical#screw lily orchard
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Lily Orchard: Piracy is OK! Fair use is not!
Lily, since you blocked this alt, I guess I have to post my response here.
Lily, I get it, who has sympathy for big greedy companies? I don't, most people don't. But you dodged the question, so I restated it in this ask (the one you blocked me for):
I guess I'll give you some credit here. It looks like you realized where I was going with this question (honestly, it doesn't take much intelligence to see through it, so don't pat yourself on the back too much).
Lily, I assume that your answer wouldn't change, that it would still be fine for you to pirate media produced by a smaller outlet. And this would lead you into a paradoxical stance: while on the one hand you feel justified in stealing media from small creators but you object to your own content being used in other peoples' work under fair use. That's what you did, you falsely DMCA struck the videos of Anthony Gramuglia and SaiScribbles for using some of your content (which didn't even need to be pirated since it's freely available on YouTube and was protected by the doctrine of fair use since their videos were transformative).
This says that you believe anything you consider "stealing" from you is unallowable, but simultaneously, you can have a clear conscious when outright stealing media from others for your own enjoyment or for making profit.
Maybe I'm wrong and you actually believe that pirating media from smaller creators is unethical. But if that's the case, then why not say that? You'd diffuse this whole line of questioning and not add to your horrendous number of hypocrisies. So that leads to only one conclusion, you avoided answering my question and blocked me because you indeed believe it's ethical to steal form others but if you so much as suspect someone is stealing from you, you're ready to throw down the hammer and destroy the channels of people you think have wronged you.
But if I am wrong, then respond to this post, tell me what you think. Clear your name. Show us that you're not as big of a hypocrite as we think you are. I'll send a link to this post as an anon-ask, so I know you'll see it. I'm waiting.
#lily orchard#lily orchard critical#piracy#copyright fraud#copyright abuse#dmca#fair use#copyright#saiscribbles#agramuglia
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If @pancakeraccoon isn't a Lily sock puppet, then I think there's a new prime suspect for this anon-ask I received:
They sound a bit more upset in this one, but they hit the same topics. Na, it's probably Lily herself and she'd still upset that I asked her to cite her sources - it's a lot harder to plagiarize others when references are properly sourced, and we can't have that, right Lily? Then again, I'm small potatoes, you wouldn't remember all that, you're just lashing out at anyone who's ever said something nice about Sai or Ant, aren't you Lily? Hell, I'll double down on my stances:
@purpledemonlilyposting (Sai) - funny as hell and based (as the kids would say)
@agramuglia (Ant) - a class act all around
@lily-orchard-stuff (Lily) - there's too much to say, instead I'll leave her with a bit of advice. Lily, you should start saving every cent if you keep abusing the YouTube copyright system. Consider what would happen if your channel gets terminated and you can't afford the subscription to your favorite publication:
Lily is making throwaways to talk to herself now cause she's too afraid to turn anons back on.
[Lily's post]
There are so many golden nuggets in here. Since these are both most likely Lily lets look at a few!
Lily's media takes are beyond just bad, she asserts that the creators of children's cartoons are dangerous extremists for perceived bad messaging in their works that Lily just makes up.
Even without that Lily's takes on symbolism, metaphor, and just basic narrative structure are worth examining because they are some of the most bizarre and ignorant many of us have ever encountered.
But no one "orients their life around you", Lily. It just feels that way because you sit in your subsidized apartment on the internet all day ordering Door Dash from a Subway you could easily walk to. I'd say get some sun but you'd probably turn to ash like a vampire.
As for me? I do something you're incapable of: putting on a show.
No one cares you're trans, Lily. Get over it. Plenty of trans people exist in online nerd culture. You can't hide from the consequences of your own words and actions by using your demographic as shield.
Pfft. They could try. Go ahead. Make videos about me. Hell, Lily, unlike you I don't even hold or delete comments. The little anklebiters who like to lecture me in my comment section don't seem to realize I'm the one allowing them to be there expressing their stupid ignorant opinions because that aligns with my principles.
Lily doesn't make a video about me because she knows I'd just react to and laugh at it. And with any luck YouTube has taken her ability to copyright strike away because she's used it maliciously 9 times.
Also retard. Just say retard, Lily. Not "tradigrade" not "child left behind" not "fetal alcohol syndrome". Just say retard.
You clearly want to. And are bitter you can't because of the insular audience you've cultivated.
This is how I know it's you because only Lily Orchard could be upset I criticized the bland Antarctica anime for being a bland Antarctica anime the sole focus of which is to get 4 teenage moeblobs on a big technical ship. Which is written by a middle aged man who does nothing but moeblob shows and directed by a woman who does nothing but moeblob shows. They both worked on No Game No Life, Lily. You know. This:
The one with the 11 year old loli in love with her step brother. Actually Lily it sounds right up your alley. You should watch it next.
Antarctica show is so full of so many plot contrivances. Why does Shirase just carry her wad of Antarctica cash everywhere and dropped it so carelessly? It's sure convenient that her and Kimari just happen to go to the same school and Kimari happens to hear her loudly wailing about the money in the bathroom. How does Hinata, a 16 year old high school drop out who works in a convenience store think she can even hope to afford this trip? Where are her parents in this anyway? We never see them.
The girls only get on the trip in the first place because another girl who is a child star vlogger just happens to be also going and just happens to contact them wanting them to go in her stead. And after making friends with them she tells her mother that she won't go without the other 3 girls but... the rest of the expedition that adamantly refused to let them on before just suddenly agrees to take them? Because this one minor celebrity and her manager mom who isn't even going said so? Takako only wanted to go to Antarctica because it just sounded neat, she's not an artic researcher, or engineer, or anything that would justify her being out there (a woman in STEM? Perish the thought says 50 year old Jukki Hanada I guess) and she died out in a blizzard trying to get a laptop to email her daughter who she has now left motherless for no good reason. And this is only ever treated as heartwarming and not idiotic.
Face it Lily. The entire show exists just to get 4 teenage girls on a big ship so otaku men can enjoy both brainless moeblobs and technical ship porn. The show sure likes to emphasize over and over how the girls are joshi kosei too. Why couldn't the show have been about the trip of the adult women (who incidentally also act like brainless teenage girls in the show)?
Yeah you guys aren't winning against me on Utena lol. Here, have my post where I have the video walking people through the episode itself. If you want to ignore the actual text of the series in order to appear morally forthright that's your own problem:
And everyone on the bus clapped, and that Asian woman's name? Albert Einstein. What does this have to do with anything except poisoning the well by linking this unsourced incident in peoples' minds to Ant and I?
Also it's Twitter. So Twitter is bad and unreasonable here, but they're not bad and unreasonable when they're squawking at me over a classic anime they've never even watched. Or squawking at Ant cause "L-L-Lily is totes a Native trans woman?? So you can't criticize any of the batshittery that spews constantly from her face hole??"
Ah now we're on to Lily's response to herself.
Oh look out Ant, Lily's got damning screenshots she just can't show anybody right now.
Probably similar to when she happily accepted a screenshot from Poppy of Poppy being creepy to Courtney and tried to blame Courtney for it.
Lily you attract attention when people talk about you because the wider nerdy internet knows your takes are insanely bad. And they know your takes are all tangled up in your personal dramas and heinous actions. They can tell. You're not as subtle as you think you are.
I cut together my response to your bad Utena takes in your 2023 Steven Universe video on a whim and slapped it on my completely unestablished personal YouTube account. It got 5k views in a few days. That's how disliked you are.
Nobody knows who I am but you sure copyright struck 4 of my livestream VODs trying to take my channel down. The 4 VODs where I most talk about your blatantly obvious incest fetish at that. Nobody knows who I am but I've gained 10k subs in 6 months primarily from dunking on you. Because I'm better at YouTube than you are.
And people do bitch at me for saying retard constantly. And you know why I keep doing it? Because the ones who most often tell me not to are some of the most annoying, entitled, self-righteous, puritanical control freaks and it's an easy way to weed them out.
By the way have fun trying to find a lawyer within 10 days who will tell you "Why yes, Lily, you can absolutely copyright these videos of yours full of footage that belong to Viacom, Netflix, Amazon, Toei Animation, Dreamworks, Activision-Blizzard, and many more!"
#Lily Orchard#Lily Orchard Critical#lilyposting#The Lily Zone#The Lily Zone™#youtube#copyright#saiscribbles#agramuglia
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Tonight at 6pm EST I'm joined by @crimsonender and Anthony Gramuglia as we react to Lily Orchard's complaints about us in her newest video about media literacy.
Here's a better look at the thumb artwork. This newest Lily is based off a piece depicting me she commissioned from her racist friend.
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I finally finished coloring during Sai's stream
@crimsonender @saiscribbles @agramuglia
It took forever to do😭 I love your guys stream. I'm currently watching their stream rn! Inspo:Dnd lol
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Sooooo I was watching @agramuglia's latest Lily Orchard video focusing on her writting tips and...
.....ya, I don't really think I need to give much of an introduction to my point. This is literally just another piece of evidince for Lily only hating Hunter cuz he doesn't fit her personal biases and preferences, and it looks like something Lily has always had. But I also want to talk about another thing.
Lily constantly says that Hunter "overshadows" every other character in the show, but he litteraly only gets 5 episodes focusing on his arc which is not only less than a third of the season, but isn't even that much compared to other characters.
And, even then, in four of those five episodes Hunter is paired up with another character that gets equal amounts of screen time and focus as he does (Hunting Palisman, Eclipse Lake, Hollow Mind, and Labrynth Runners), and two of those are, ya know, POC characters. ASIAS is the exception because while yes Willow gets screentime in this episode, the whole thing is centered around Hunter and his arc.
But despite Hunter getting equal amounts of screentime to the characters' he is paired up with in the other episodes, Lily still claims that he "overshadows" them. It seems that to Lily, the mere presence of a white character alongside a POC one instantly means that the white character overshadows that POC one, which isn't really true. The writer's didn't sideline the other characters in favor of Hunter nearly as much as Lily claims they did.
I know these writting tips came out in 2020 (before Hunter was introduced in the show) but seeing this I still felt like I should make a post about this.
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A reminder, Revolver Orchard, that Nooblord is Lily herself.
Honestly, Solid Lily is getting really terrible at pretending not to love The Coffin Of Andy And Leyley, especially by making an sockpuppet account OBSESSED with the cannibal-inc*st game.
Overall, Ant is good people and you should really check him out.
He's a professional writer and video essayist who knows exactly what he's talking about. He has made brilliant essays that you can watch here, here, here, here and- What I'm trying to say is that I can't recommend him enough. To Ant and Revolver Orchard: Keep up the good work.
Remember to donate to RAINN and keep fighting Solid Lily.
Lily really thinks someone criticizing her media takes is harassment and because someone criticized you, it's okay to dehumanize them. That's honestly really gross.
(Ant didn't even "spread lies"/talk about her allegations. If you actually watched his streams, multiple times he made it clear he didn't want to get into them.)
DONATE TO RAINN BECUASE LILY ABUSES FOLK AND CHARITY MAKES HER WANT TO HURT MORE FOLK
She doesn't care about anyone but herself. The reality that this bi guy is doing this video for a good cause and its getting more attention than her channel ever gets is really making her mad.
She will dehumanize anyone if it means she doesn't have to deal with any sort of criticism. I mean just look at the people that are around her these days. Listen to her streams, she is surrounded by folk that are scared of her and just want to kiss her ass. Nooblord, Gjervan Lyxer
#lily orchard#plasma lily#revolver orchard#solid lily#anthony gramuglia#agramuglia#nooblord9001#lily orchard is nooblord9001#nooblord9001 is lily orchard#nooblord is lily orchard#lily orchard is nooblord#lily orchard is a hack#lily orchard is an abuser#anti lily orchard#lily orchard critical#screw lily orchard#lily orchard loves the coffin of andy and leyley
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Going to start uploading some of the surplus of Lily clips that I have. This clip was taken on August 2nd of this year, she is justifying her abuse of the DMCA system (specifically against @purpledemonlilyposting and @agramuglia) by saying reaction content is theft on the same stream she was watching entire episodes of legend of Korra without saying a single word.
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Back to my regularly scheduled Lily tearing
*ahem*
“Jock Imoen”
My good mutual @agramuglia covered everything up to Gen 8 in his multi-stream and comprehensive compilation/analysis of Lily orchards over six hour cognitive hazardous brain vomit barely digested review of the main line games of the Pokémon franchise.
And of course, she got many things wrong, so when ant stopped after gen 8 I took it upon myself to finish it for ant and my arceus did I suffer for lilys pokesins.
And let’s get this out of the way:
No she didn’t play arceus because she couldn’t handle the amount of control changes and lore that went into that beautiful (imo) game.
No she didn’t play the dlcs. And frankly I’m glad she didn’t because we all know she’d make the sibling story of Kieran and Carmine weird (and perverted) but she’d misinterpret the entire arc he goes through in all three dlcs)
So how fucking wrong did Lily get with scarlet and violet?
Everything
Points to get out of the way before my reason of pain:
She continues to imply that pennie is a stalker, saying she’s the worst person who shouldn’t be redeemed and that team star terrible. Yes the bullied outsiders who formed a group to stand up to the bullies and later try to breakup only to meet up and assure Pennie that they love her and remind her that they’ll be friends even if the team splits up. In the dlc they’re even working to better themselves for Pennie trying to surprise her even. And yes Lily PROJECTS SO MUCH ONTO PENNIE!
Misgenders grusha (the beautiful snowboarder champ now depressed and detached gym leader who you learn more about the intropersonal conflict of in the dlc!)
No she doesn’t take the classes (doesn’t understand there’s more to the game or)
… continuing from the previous point: SHE DOESNT KNOW ABOUT THE RUINOUS POKÉMON NEVER MENTIONS THEM ONCE
She leaves out the fact Nemona teaches the players about terastalization before you even get to the academy!
She disrespects the entire story line and arc of our boy Arven nor does she fucking cry over the mabostiff arc
Never explains how she got ceruledge. At all
Complains and uses spiderverse as a way to talk about crunch time (LILY I SWEAR TO FUCKING MEW IF TALK ABOUT THE INDUSTRY ANY MORE I WILL REVOKE YOUR INTERNET ACCESS)
She brings up kingdom hearts
11. Never addresses the music or even gen one references
12. (Yes that’s a loss joke)
Now that we got those out of the way, allow me to rant:
OUT OF THE PAST 9 GENS, THE CAST OF FRIENDS IN SCARLET AND VIOLET HAVE THE MOST DEPTH AND PERSONALITY! THEY HAVE SO MANY SIDES THAT UNFOLD AS YOU FOLLOW(KEY WORD BEING FOLLOW) THEIR STORYLINES!
Lily you continue to prove your mental decline and intolerance to human traits and habits and devolve into a fucking ameba! Nemona from the start is not a jock. She is a himbo, she is the current/new student council president of the academy, she’s the champion and she is an only child of absent parents in a big *empty* home, her parents are running around who knows where and she most definitely has undiagnosed adhd or add, she has trouble with socializing because of her confident and pure genuine enthusiasm. She had trouble catching her own pokemon and even throwing which is why she wears that glove so she mostly rents out pokemon from the academy. When your character moves in she’s hoping to not just have a friend, but someone to rival her in battle, because she’s beat the league and everyone is afraid in some way of her because of how forward and high energy she is. The REASON SHE’S SO “CLINGY” IS BECAUSE FOR THE FIRST TIME SHE HAS SOMEONE WHO ISNT AFRAID OF HER REQUEST TO BATTLE! She’s mindful and has had to realize that which is sad if you’re a kid who is as high energy and has trouble waiting to speak. (A bit personal on my end but thats the read) NEMONA IS NOT YOUR JOCK SISTER GIRLFRIEND YOU INEPT PERVERTED CANADIAN FUCKWAD!
LILY LEAVE MY MASTER CHEF SON AND HIS PUBBI DOG ALONE BEFORE I GET THE SANDAL AND BEAT YOUR PASTY WHITER THAN MILK ASS UNTIL YOU SUBMIT AND APOLOGIZE! Arven, is a boy who lives in the shadow of his absent parents who were renowned scientists, he wasn’t given the attention he needed at some point when they got busy with research but after having to leave area zero due to a grievous injury/trauma his truly only family member received he was cooped up in the lighthouse he once lived in with his parents. Arven holds so much resentment to his parents because he (validly) feels abandoned by them as they pushed him aside. Hell, he even shows a grudge and envy to our player when he learns his parent is talking to us in secret! The most painful thing we learn by the end is, arven’s mom and dad… died… they had been dead for quite some time and sadly only synthetic programmed copies of them survived but then they have to leave… arven’s story is him learning that he isnt in his parent’s shadow and realizing he doesn’t have to be alone. The friends made are his family- oh before i forget- THERE IS MORE LORE IN THE FUCKING CLASSES! THE HOME EC TEACHER WORRIES ABOUT ARVEN AND HAS A STORY LINE WITH HIM IF YOU TOOK THE TIME TO STUDY! Arven is a sad grumpy puppy, leave him alone you cynical mustache twirling puppy stomping carbon copy villain stereotype!
LEAVE MY VEE-VEE LOVING INTROVERT ALONE YOU NTH ROOM BROWSING TROGLODYTE! Penny out of the two others has present parents, her dad, who is revealed to be peonie in the dlc, is just loves and cares about her but pennie is going through that phase where “ugh my parents are so annoying with how much they care” type personality. Kids like that exist. Penny is also a vastly intellectually gifted kid, she’s able to do so much with computers and coding and hell she used technology to make friends. She and team star are adorable. They were all bullied and penny thinking quickly hatched a plan to gather them together but when things got out of hand she panicked and thought to run from it. When you meet she takes note of how you respond to her “peril” and thinks of a way to get your help. She thinks that her friends hate her or dont hold her in high regard until you defeat each of them and get the full story. Hell I’ll grab a clip i saved! But she learns to come out of her shell during the main plot and that staying in her head she’ll shut the world and truth out. She’s also such a fucking mood!
Also lily, you hate her because she’s better than you are you eternal hermit!
As you can see I adore this game and while I have my qualms with it I still love it and the story because that’s what I care about and appreciate in this and previous games and with what I wanted said out of the way: that’s
#sillygoblinantics#just goblin things#lily orchard critical#lily orchard stuff#lily orchard is actually really bad at pokemon#pokemon scarlet and violet#lily orchard can’t game#lily orchard has a skill issue#arven pokemon#nemona pokemon#Pennie Pokémon
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Did she seriously respond with, “no,” and a block? How did she think that was gonna make her look good?!
Also, apparently Lily has turned reblogs off anyways so…
Lily must have a very warped sense of what makes her look good, and this is one of the least damaging things she's done lately. I'm a microscopic nobody on tumblr who just commented on her lack of references for others' work she presents in her videos. Take what she's been up to lately - she's been threatening to send copyright strikes to her critics who dare use her videos in a transformative manner like critiques and commentary - clearly far use. She's already done this to Sai, who only engages with Lily's inept takes on media, steering away from the other drama and alleged crimes Lily's committed (except when Lily inevitably makes her drama part of there "media analysis" videos). If you're not familiar with @saiscribbles, check out her tumblr and her lily-critical-specific tumblr @purpledemonlilyposting and most importantly her YouTube channel https://www.youtube.com/@SaiScribbles which Lily thought she could destroy with three back-to-back copyright strikes.
Also, check out @agramuglia who Lily's threatened to take down for similar reasons (https://www.youtube.com/@agramuglia).
It's absurdly hypocritical that Lily abuses others' work, either outright plagiarizing others or failing to cite her sources, while she also thinks that fair use doesn't apply to her critics. Check out Sai's video where she uncovers Lily's plagiarism of some admitly insane articles that no one in the right mind would even want to read let along steal:
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OH SNAP!
"go outside" is pretty rich coming from a shut in that spent the last few years having a daydream about being in a polycule with Pokémon while getting an imaginary doctoral degree.
#lily orchard#crimsonender#agramuglia#ant gramuglia#oh snap!#burn#anti lily orchard#lily orchard is a hack#lily orchard is a bad critic#lily orchard critical#screw lily orchard
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Yo @agramuglia can you share with the class that snippet of you talking about lavender town to see how AnGrY you got?
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Was curious about when @agramuglia mentioned Lily was going to do a video on him in the wake of the joon king video and when i looked at her community notes thinking she'd brag about it there....I found this...
I...Wha...WHAT!? what kind of Title is this for a thumbnail?!
this has been up for 2 weeks, TWO WEEKS
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Could you, @agramuglia, @saiscribbles report and block this white supremacist piece of faeces. https://www.tumblr.com/wxlftw/765795860717142016/so-a-trans-gay-satanist-crimsonender-a-lesbian He's hijacking the Lily critical space to spread his hate speech. *To that same bottomfeeder* Hey, you know your beloved Baldwin VI was a MIXED-RACE MIDDLE EASTERN MAN. Also, Patrick Bateman isn't an Aryan god-prince. He's slimy, pathetic little incel who's parents never loved him...just like you.
Bonus note: American Psycho was directed BY A WOMAN and the book was written BY A GAY GUY.
oh, yeah. Wolf Moon. He's been excised from our community for months and keeps trying to come back. We already know about him. He just wants attention. Ignore him.
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Sai unironically used the word 'degenerate' (in regards to certain kinds of people at Pride festivals/openly sexual people as if to imply such behavior is pretext for sexual harrassment) on stream and said in their own blog that Goodbye Volcano High derserved what happened to it (given how ardently they defended Steven Universe this contradiction fucks with me. Suddenly widely misunderstood LGBT themed media is bad now?). I do not trust this person. They are too 4chan brained for my liking. Their unironic engagenent with snoot game stuff and works by 'caveanon' (a 4chan pandering dev group headed by a transphobic bigot with a trad wife fixation). I describe Sai as having hitler particles because what else do you call people who are well into the poop of 4chan but are seemingly normal in other ways, even fun or interesting people?? Because I did enjoy Sai's video on lily's weird and bad steven universe video because i never liked lily or her takes on media. But seeing Sai go in this direction reveals her to me as just as someone who is just barely 2 steps away from being some kinda name brand terfy type reactionary. Nope don't like it. Goodbye Volcano High is a poison pill on that front. If you think its creators or the work deserved what happened to it, you suck plain and simple.
And as for you!! I respect your work, but seeing you make a nemesis out of lily while tipsy on stream, with Lily being who they are makes me think less of you because they really are not worth all that. Yes! Lily bad! But you are not bad!! I am glad you fought the copyright bullshit but all im seeing is how Lily is bringing out the worst in people by lashing out, then (people who should be better than that) lashing out in kind as if Lily, a person who set up her own stream so the donation noises literally hurt her and then complains with the most indignant whining imaginable, is someone who demands some kind of sordid seriousness? This person is a fucking 3 ring circus of dysfunction who is ultimately their own worst enemy. (jesus christ people, she is manifesting a waking metaphor for her unaddressed issues in real time here, this is not a serious person. Fucking hedgehog disaster mess of a human being)
Overly sympathetic? Since when is more sympathy a bad thing? No. I just see the human wreckage, and the wounds left in her wake from the jagged rusty edges of her entire person. Treating Lily like a normal person is a mistake. Its like using latex gloves to handle radioactive isotopes. You are just gunna get poisoned.
Further, yes i am ruefully critical of internet rumor culture and hate movements against certain kinds of people (even if they 'deserve it') because its never goes anywhere good, ever. It just devolves into the worst kinds of people making a hobby out of projecting the worst aspects of themselves on the behated individuals. Because again, Lily bad! But you don't have to be bad too.
In regards to Lily Orchard and Sai
they both embody the entire ceaselessly tedious dynamic of toxic internet discourse. Sai being aggressively dumb about people/things they don't like and revealing it to be a projection of their own personal insecurity and unadressed bigotry. Lily being ceaselsessly dysfunctional and easily bullied, making for an obvuous whipping post for anyone who sees the worst of themselves in Lily. Y'all have problems, I can see these unhealthy dynamics and im so god damn tired of it. Please get some perspective! This is even outside of the fact that lily has done shitty things over a long period, but treating them like a demon to be excised rather than a dysfunctional dumbass belies so many issues! You either recognize the humanity involved or I do not trust you. Im chokeing on the hitler particles coming from Sai.
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Two weeks ago, @agramuglia uploaded the cut version of the stream he did with Charlie Knight on disability representation in fantasy worlds. And given that around the same time we had a bit of a discussion in my blog about the same issue in regards of BG3, I want to share some thoughts on this. Mind you, I am also picking up some stuff in regards to the amazing videos that Oakwyrm does on disability representation.
Because there are two topics that are so often not brought up in this context. And I am kinda saddened and a bit annoyed by this. So, let me talk about it. Because the topics of what kind of disability we see in fantasy and science fiction and what kind we don't see is actually a big topic.
Generally most fantasy disabilities fall into one of two categories:
Acquired disabilities (often in forms of missing limbs or a missing eye) that were acquired under dramatical, tragic, or heroic circumstances.
Fantasy-setting specific disabilities (for example a character who cannot fly in a setting, where everyone else can fly, or of course the classic "non-magic character in a magic world").
The first kind is the stuff we see probably most of. Again, often we see this in form of missing limbs, that depending on the setting are either replaced with some sort of magic prothesis. Ideally this is handled at least like it is in Fullmetal Alchemist, where the prothesis does not always work perfectly and needs some maintanance. Sadly, though, in a lot of cases the magic prothesis is perfect, and also other stuff that usually comes to play in regards of missing limbs (like phantom pain and related issues) do not really come to play.
Same goes with some sort of magical glass eyes and so on, if characters are missing an eye. I will not even start with the fact that glass eyes in fantasy are always perfect little balls rather than how those actually look in reality.
And either way: Usually the way those limbs and eyes have gone missing, there is really a big story behind it. In real life very typical ways for people to loose limbs is stuff like simple injuries that lead to infections, or accidents that were really kind of silly. Not in fantasy or scifi. There you do not geenrally lose a limb, unless you lose it to a dragon or devil (or I guess in a desperate attempt to revive your mother). There is always a good story behind it.
And then there are the other kind of disability we see, which the more metaphorical disability. Yes, within a world were everyone can do magic, the person who cannot do magic is disabled. Yes, within the world where everyone can fly, the person who cannot is also disabled. And yes, Karlach in Baldur's Gate 3 with her engine that is killing her has also a disability within the context of the world - as does Gale with his orb, or Shadowheart with her magic pain attacks. Heck, you could make the argument that in a way Astarion as a vampire also has magical disabilities.
But what bugs me so much about this is... The lack of all the stuff that does not get shown.
A lot of people have already spoken about how rarely we see some sort of wheelchair in fantasy settings. (In SciFi we often then see the flying wheelchairs, that are an issue on their own, though that is something I will have to talk about at another time.)
But there is so much more that we usually do not see.
Missing limbs make up around 7-8% of all disabled people. And those are mostly older people, given that - again - limb loss usually occurs because the body struggles to heal a wound and the limb needs to be amputated to prevent infactions from spreading and such. (Almost 90% of people who loose their limps are also older than 45 when they do.)
A lot of disabilities (the vast majorities) are in fact some sort of cognitive disabilities. And sure, we do see quite a few characters that are autism-coded or ADHD-coded in media. Exhibit A would be Dungeon Meshi, of course, but I mean, we all can probably name a few characters that read very autistic or hyperactive. But those are also usually the variations of those where yes, the characters might experience some disability from it, but... We do not have an autistic non-verbal protagonist, do we now?
And then there is of course all those other disabilities. I mean, I cannot imagine a single example of a character with trisomnie in fantasy or scifi media. I also have not seen a character with my disability (severely limited lung function) in fantasy or scifi before - even though, mind you, scifi could probably easily create a device that would allow someone like me to live fairly normally. You will also rarely ever find a character with something like athritis or other forms of rheumatic illness in fantasy and scifi settings. And generally speaking, with a few exceptions there are barely any characters who were born with their disabilities or have acquired their disabilities through sickness of one way or another - even though this is by far in the real world the most common way of acquiring a disability.
Other stuff we do not see: Limb differences, anything that is perceived as disfiguring (and even if those are described in books, they usually get toned down HEAVILY in movies or games, and of course anything that is related to food.
With this I am not saying that the other disabilities - those we see - are bad. But I am saying that we absolutely deserves to see those other disabilities too. And not just in some realworld drama stuff. (I mean, when it comes to depictions of a character with down syndrome in media, I can only think of one good example, which is Ansel in Stumptown, which is very much just crime drama. But that is like the one time I can think of that a character with that disability who is given agency by the plot, and who gets to have his own life, with a job, and a girlfriend and everything.)
And yeah...
Like, the two pieces of fantasy media I wanna point out as being actually pretty darn good with disability representation of a wide variety of disabilities are:
Witch Hat Atelier: This series basically focuses on the question of morality in regards to using magic to cure - and using magic to cure disabilities, too. Because of this, we see a variety of disabilities, including disabilities people were born with, disabilities acquired through sickness or through dramatic plot reasons and so on. This is really, really good in that regard.
The Witcher novel series: I hate it so much that this is something that all the adaptions just ignore. The Witcher books are very, very heavy in dealing with disabilities in a lot more realistic matters. The fact that magicians mostly are disabled people, for whom the society does not have any other use than learning magic (for whcih they get cured of their disability, and the books actually dare to quesiton "Is that a good thing?") is one part. But Geralt himself is fairly disabled, as he is dealing with chronic pain and has a limp. Gods, I would murder for a good adaption of these books
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