#Woolytail

[gingerakao]

Palebird-Woolytail family tree

| Masterlist |

| Palebird-Sandgorse second tree |

| Wrenflight-Stagleap family tree |

[thunders-warcats-stuff]

TALLSTAR'S ROUGH CHILDHOOD

Based on this:

https://www.tumblr.com/thunders-warcats-stuff/714680353463369728/character-deconstruction-sandgorse-and-talltail?source=share

AND “No Light No Light by Florence and the Machine

I dreamt of a scene where Tallstar was talking to Rusty about his family and I woke up from that dream and was like "that's it, no more "dying to erase pain and harm you caused. You don't get to escape the consequences of your actions." Because death isn't real for these cats. They'll see their loved ones at the end of their life and possibly in the middle of it! It's confirmed! So! The Rocky Road to Redemption: Sandgorse Edition

LOUDER THAN WORDS VERSION

<So what was your family like? Did you have any siblings? Who was Dawnstripe to you? Who were your parents? Are they the reason you're this awesome?>

(Tallstar is talking *and* signing here, so quotes and brackets)

<"You sure are curious, kid. Let's see... I have five siblings, but unlike your litter, they weren’t all born at the same time. Forest cats have smaller litters. Four was a lot for anyone, but my mother and heart-father handled it! Really well.">

<Heart-father?>

<'I have the father who sired me with Palebird and the father who helped me grow, like Dawnstripe did. His name was Woolytail.">

Tallstar made the sign and sound for sheep and waved his tail.

SNIPPET 1

🎵“[Heaven] StarClan help me, I have to make it right!”🎵

“Why won't you just talk to me?! Can't you see that I'm trying?!”

"You're trying?! Palebird has been struggling since Tall was born, but you're trying!

You told your only son, the boy who just wants you to love him, to stay away from you and the tunnels but you're trying!

Have you even apologized?! Have you asked Palebird how she's coping? Have you talked to Tallpaw about anything but the tunnels?!

Do you even know how close or far he is to getting his warrior name?!"

"I-!"

"No! You don't! You spent all this time growling and groaning about what you can't have while your whole life is right before your eyes! But it's okay, mollies and toms, he's trying!"

SNIPPET 2

Dawnstripe defends Tallpaw from Sandgorse “Tallpaw!”

“Are you here to ask about his progress?”

“No, I-!”

“Are you here to watch what we're doing today?”

“No, I-! Sure. Might as well see the life of a runner.”

“Alright. Sit over there and be quiet. If you have any questions, talk to me and me alone. Got it?”

“Got it.”

“Tallpaw, that's the worst crouch I've ever seen! Don't you-?!”

“Quiet!” Dawnstripe barked. “Tallpaw, just like we practiced. To the TallSlate and back.”

Tallpaw took off at half-speed.

“A kit can go faster than that!”

“Shut up!” Dawnstripe snarled. “If you're not going to be helpful, go lay somewhere else! Tallpaw doesn't need your snake's tongue!”

SNIPPET 3

Woolytail helps Palebird out a lot and eventually they fall in love but at first he and the rest of the tunnelers are trying to get Pale back into the swing of things

Palebird stands up to Sandgorse when confronted about Woolytail

🎵You want a revelationyou wanna get it rightwell that's a conversation I just can't have tonight🎵

Pale: “even if he is just doing this to catch my eye, he's helping! You haven't done anything to make up for your horrible attitude to me or Tall, and it's not fair that you want to take away the cats who care just because you're jealous!”

SNIPPET 4

Dawnstripe sees Talltail off

“You know you don't have to do this, right? Sandgorse might be grumpy and snappish, but you don’t have to take that. He's going to be fine in the elder's den.”

“I need to find out what happened. He doesn't remember. He thinks he took someone down there but he didn't know for sure, and the Passing Cats left before we could ask them anything. If I can do this, if I can get answers for my father, then maybe…”

“Maybe?”

“I just want him to see me as worthy of being his son.”

“Oh, Tall…” Dawnstripe purred sadly, pressing her side to his. “I know it doesn't feel like it, but you were always worthy of being his son. He hasn't been a very good father to you.

"I don’t think he'd have been any better had Finch lived. He's always going to be like this, and his early retirement certainly won't help things… Are you sure this will help you?”

“Yes.”

“Then go, kid. Good luck. Remember what I've taught you. Hunting will be challenging, because we usually run our prey down and you can't do that in close-quarters.

"I think your battle training might help there. It relies on being fast enough to hit your opponent but avoid getting hit in return. Do you want to tell anyone else, or should I?”

“I…”

Talltail choked up.

How could he explain his quest to his mother and heart-father?

To Barkface and Shrewclaw?

Would Sandgorse even say anything if he told the older tom?

“I'd be glad to do it, if only to see the look on Sandgorse’s smarmy face when he realizes he ran you off.”

“I'm not trying to run away-.”

“You are, even if you come back. But I don’t blame you at all. I'd run too, if Heatherstar could spare a runner.”

“Do you know why she can't? She did close the tunnels.”

“Yes, but the tunnelers have to get used to a very different method of hunting and fighting than they're used to. We runners will all have our paws full teaching our grown Clanmates like apprentices. Stars help me, this is gonna be rough!”

“Maybe I shouldn't-.”

“Nope, you're going! Remember how we practiced following through? It'll be put to good use during this trip. Cats will understand.”

“I kinda figured they'd all be mad at me.”

“That'd be Sandgorse and him alone. And we'll all be barking at him for the rest of his days if he tries any of his rabbit-dung on you.”

[demigirlvioletshine]

[nonbinary-weirdo]

Palebird: I'm expecting kits! I'm finally happy-!!

Tallpaw: Whiney teenage angst

Woolytail: ....Was it something I said?

[stoopidassjamesfranco]

My Own Thunderclan Family

I think is impossible to completely erase incest from thunderclan, but you can tame it by stopping cats from being either direct cousins or change parents of certain cats. Here some of my own hcs:

Flashnose and Daisytoe aren't sisters

Pinestar and Poppydawn are cousins through Sweetbriar and Fallowsong

Squirrelwhisker and Eaglestorm are Windflight and Woolytail's parents

Stormtail, Stonepelt and Rockfall are Mistpelt and Stagleap's Kits

Sunstar, Featherwhisker and Speckletail are Larkwing and Flamenose's Kits,

Tawnyspots, Robinwing and Thrushpelt are Rainfur and Windflight's kits

Fuzzypelt is Hollypelt's only surviving kit

Halftail(Mumblefoot's Kit), One-Eye(Harepounce's Kit) and Dappletail are childhood friends and become apprentices before the start of Bluestar's prophecy

Adderfang and Swiftbreeze are Patchpelt, Leopardfoot and Brindleface's parents

Windflight is still Thistleclaw, Rosetail and Sweetpaw's father

Speckletail and Smallear are Goldenflower, Lionheart, Snowkit and Mistlekit's parents

Dappletail is Redtail, Spottedleaf, Willowpelt, Sandstorm, Cricketkit and Featherkit's single mother

Robinwing and Fuzzypelt are Frostfur, Cherrypaw, Chesnutkit, Ravenpaw and Dustpelt's parents

One-eye and Halftail are Mousefur and Runningwind's parents

Willowpelt and Tawnyspots are Darkstripe's parents, their relationship were negatively looked upon for obvs reasons

Robinwing and Patchpelt are Longtail's parents(yes she cheated)

Willowpelt and Whitestorm are Graystripe, Sootfur, Sorreltail and Rainwhisker's parents

Goldenflower and Patchpelt had a short term relationship that didn't worked out and Swiftpaw and Lynxkit's parents

Frostfur and Lionheart are ofc Brackenfur, Cinderpelt, Thornclaw and Brightheart's parents

Brindleface and Runninwind are Ashfur, Ferncloud, Eldekit and Tulipkit's parents

Ferncloud and Dustpelt are closer in age and had 4 litters instead, in fact Spiderleg, Shrewpaw, Birchfall, Larchkit, Hollykit, Foxleap, Icecloud AND Snowbush, Dewnose and Ambermoon are their kits

Solely bcs i want Whitewing to be Brightheart and Cloudtail's only kit

also Squirrelfight and Leafpool are born earlier than Spideleg, Shrewpaw and Whitewing

Sorreltail and Brackenfur only had one litter, Cinderheart, Honeyfern, Poppyfrost and Molepaw

so who is Lilyheart and Seedpaw's parents? Hazeltail and Thornclaw

Ashfur is Dovewing and Ivypool's real dad, but Whitewing lied for a while about Birchfall's parentage, who instead fathered Applefur's kits Spikefur and Grassheart

During Bramblestar's Storm, Berrynose said Thunderclan needs more kittens, but being a former loner, he is no purist, but more proud of being part of Thunderclan itself, so they welcome Stormcloud, Sorrelstripe and Fernsong

Sorrelstripe is actually Jessy, a young and cool solid brown molly who had a crush on Bramblestar, but he saw as a daughter instead after losing Hollyleaf; Fernsong instead is Smoky and Floss's kit together with Coriander, who joins the clans after falling in love with Ivypool during the storm

Squirrelflight and Bramblestar don't have kits as she is barren, they had two, Dandelionkit and Juniperkit, but died early

So Alderheart, Sparkpelt and Hollytuft are Lionblaze and Cinderheart's kits

Instead of Sparkpelt, who turns into an antagonist after River of Fire, Hollytuft and Larksong are Nightheart and Finchlight's Parents

Toadstep is actually Eaglewing, Shellfur, Stemleaf and Plumstone's father

Spotfur, Flywhisker and Snapkit(yes he dies during River of Fire) are instead Poppyfrost and Jayfeather's kits

For last, Bayshine and Myrtlebloom's parents are Cherryfall and Stormcloud

Bayshine, Plumstone and Thirftear are in a poly relationship and parental figure of Moonpaw(how dare I give one dad and two moms to Moonpaw???)

[bonefall]

Big question I have for the Tallstar kitten, where does Jake go at the end? If they are co-parenting, then does this child get separated from one of its parents? Would shake come visit? Did Tallstar and Jake have a messy breakup? It would make a very interesting parallel for Onewhisker, Tallstar proudly returning to the clan and claiming the kit as his

The child would very much get separated!!

Tallstar’s Collapse heavily involves the infamous BB!Heatherstar, and the death of tunnelling as she sacrifices it to advance the war with ShadowClan. Kitten or no kitten, the entire book is a lot more bitter as a result.

Tallkit grows up in a Clan that is a community. Palebird is loved and helped through her depression, Tallkit learns from all sorts of different cats. There's issues-- the war and Shrewclaw-- but this is home.

At the same time, he watches Sandgorse and the Tunnelers grow angry and desperate, realizing that Heatherstar is killing their tradition to make more fighters. It's likely that she, or one of her supporters, encourages Tallkit's fear of tunnels and division with his father.

Jake is freedom. He's a paw to offer him an escape from the drama and politics. To see that he does not have to live that way.

But the tragedy here is that Tallstar can't leave it behind. He loves his mom, his half siblings, Woolytail, his mentor, his friends... the moorland is home. Doesn't he have a responsibility to it? To serve WindClan and to fix its problems instead of running away?

WindClan is home. It's family. And Jake is family too but...

Without a kitten it ends here, basically. Tall decides to go home at this point. If he DOES have the kitten...

Then the kitten is probably adopted from parents who died, and that causes Tall to have a bit of an existential crisis. The idea of that is ALIEN to him, there's always someone in a clan to care for the kittens, community is the core of Clan life.

Even at its worst, even when Palebird couldn't take care of him, there was no question that he was loved and valued.

But here's kittens with NO family. If him and Jake and the Nomads hadn't found them...

He can't stop thinking about WindClan after that. The lessons he was taught, the gorse and the heather and the bounty it provides. Palebird and his new siblings, Heatherstar and her aging deputy. How this child he's raising would never know a trip to the moonstone or see its grandmother.

And most importantly; Talltail believes there is value in serving a Clan, and being put to the Stars in death. Where will he go? Where will Fly go??

But Jake does not want that life. He can see that his mate is growing unhappy, but he would be equally unhappy if he went with him. They love each other like a breeze loves a stone; try it might, the wind can't lift the rock.

So they have to part ways.

I think Jake visited for a few years after that, but abruptly stopped. The war grew more intense and it wasn't safe to visit anymore, especially as tensions between Clans got even worse. Tallstar chose his destiny, and Jake chose his.

[letyachan]

572.Flytail

Son of Palebird and Woolytail

"What does Talltail want?"

[solargoose]

SR-TPB Windclan allegiances 2 (+ cats outside the clans)

Windclan

Leader Tallstar - Black and white tom.

Deputy Sootfang - Black tom with a twisted forepaw.

Healer Barkface - Dark brown tom.

Warriors

Ashfoot - Gray she-cat. Apprentice - Robinpaw

Mudclaw - Mottled dark brown tabby tom. Apprentice - Webpaw

Tornear - Gray tabby tom. Apprentice - Tawnypaw

Onewhisker - Pale brown tabby tom.

Doespring -  Light brown she-cat. Apprentice - Runningpaw

Aspenfall - Gray and white tom

Oatwhisker - Creamy brown tabby tom

Stagleap - Dark brown tom.

Sorrelshine - Gray and brown she-cat

Larksplash - Tortoiseshell and white she-cat

Pigeonflight - Dark gray tom with white patches

Plumclaw - Dark gray she-cat

Cloudrunner - Pale gray tom.

Ryestalk - Gray tabby she-cat.

Flytail - White tom.

Wrenflight - Brown she-cat

Rabbitear - Pale brown she-cat

Bristlebark - Black tom.

Whitetail - White she-cat

Gorsetail - Pale gray and white tabby she-cat.

Apprentices

Runningpaw - Light gray tabby she-cat.

Webpaw - Dark gray tabby tom.

Robinpaw - Light brown she-cat

Tawnypaw - Golden brown she-cat.

Queens

Morningflower - Tortoiseshell and white she-cat. Mother to: Gorsekit - Dusty brown tabby tom with a white muzzle Caring for: Emberkit - Gray tom and Willowkit - Gray she-cat.

Elders

Woolytail - Gray and white tom.

Appledawn - Pale rose-cream she-cat

Meadowslip - Light gray she-cat

Crowfur - Black tom.

Rushtail - Light creamy brown tom.

Darkfoot - Dark blue-gray tom.

Cats Outside the Clans

Jake - Orange tom.

Nutmeg - Brown tabby she-cat

Socks - Brown and white tom.

Ruby - Black she-cat

Princess - Brown tabby she-cat with a white chest and paws.

Smudge - Black and white tom.

Oliver - White tom.

Barley - Black and white tom.

Ravenpaw - Black tom with a white chest and tail tip (Former Thunderclan Cat)

Blackice - White tom with black paws, ears, and tail tip (Exiled from Shadowclan)

Tangleburr - Gray and brown she-cat (Exiled from Shadowclan)

Stumpytail - Brown tabby tom (Exiled from Shadowclan)

Lizardstripe - Brown tabby she-cat (Exiled from Shadowclan)

Smoke - Fluffy, dark gray and white she-cat with many scars (The Bloody)

[chai-sweets]

I’m on chapter 23 of Tallstar’s Revenge

Maybe it’s just the fact that this book is being narrated by Kirby Heyborne instead of MacLeoud Andrews, but this book is refreshing. To be fair, the last two Warriors books I listened to were Yellowfang’s secret and Leopardstar’s Honor, which are infamously…. not as great. But yeah, I’m really digging this story!

I like Tallpaw’s complicated feelings about his father, Sandgorse, especially after Sandgorse dies in the tunnels. I like how Tallpaw is allowed by the narrative to be irrational, contradictory, and angry— even violent, while dealing with grief. I like how Tallpaw is stubborn and a bit contrarian, has a little bit of a victim complex but at the same time really is being victimized by his denmate, Shrewpaw (What’s that dickhead’s problem anyway??). I like how Windclan is so different from the other three Clans.

I saw Sandgorse’s death coming a mile away, but I don’t care. I’m not expecting to be surprised with the plot. Gotta give them props for having Palebird get pregnant with Woolytail so soon, I knew they’d eventually be a couple as soon as they were seen walking “so close their pelts brushed” hahaha. I think them having kits so soon is the perfect amount of drama to add to Tallpaws life without feeling like the authors are excessively torturing him.

I’m enjoying it, it’s making me feel like I did when I was a kid reading Warriors books for the first time.

On the other hand it’s hard to ignore that Tallpaw is able to be a full complex character (at least, for a book about feral cats) with an interesting story, while Bluestar, Yellowfang, Leopardstar, and Leafstar all have massive portions of their supereditions fussing over whether or not they have kittens, and they’re all punished for it either way. All except maybe Leafstar. Even though Leafstar isn’t exactly punished for having kits, she still has to fuss over whether she can have a mate and kits and still be leader or not. Literally right after FireSTAR had kits. And later, Crookedstar had kits as leader and didn’t think twice about it. His mate, Willowbreeze was punished though, she died. But that’s all for another post another time (maybe).

[gingerakao]

Palebird-Sandgorse family tree

| Masterpost |

| Palebird-Woolytail family tree |

[mistblaze]

Tawnylight + Gorsefang

So first, we´re tracing Gorsefang´s lineage to nail down his traits. Gorsefang is canon Gorsepaw, child of Morningflower and Cloudrunner, raised by Jake and Talltail.

We know nothing of Cloudrunner´s ancestry, so we´re running with him being an outsider and focus on Morningflower.

Grandmother Mistmouse: cinnamon tabby, classic

Grandfather Hareflight: fawn solid

Grandmother Palebird: black solid tuxedo

Grandfather Woolytail: Blue ticked tuxedo

Mother Wrenflight: ticked chocolate

Father Stagleap: cinnamon solid

Sister Ashfoot: lilac solid

Literally any of these could be carrying colorpoint, lol. What I don´t see is any way for her to be tortoiseshell, which is the other canon-description we have of her. Cloudrunner is light gray, could easily be carrying chocolate.

Gorsefang

b/bl o/o D/ A/a mc/mc ta/ta W/W L/

Chocolate classic tabby shorthair.

He´s ... been through a lot. He barely remembers his parents or WindClan, but he carries their legacy with pride. He´s been raised with a whole host of adopted siblings and is incredibly happy with his mate and kits.

Onto their children.

Darksight

B/b o/- D/ a/a W/S L/

Black solid tuxedo shorthair! I like to imagine that everyone expects Tawny´s children to look at least a little Tigerkin and then Darkkit looks a lot like greatgreatgrandma Palebird, whom Talltail still remembers. He is a very sleek, narrow build cat, too, and he and his mentor Crowflight sass each other constantly.

Brightstorm

bl/bl O/o D/ A/a mc/mc W/W l/l

Cinnamon classic torbie longhair! Brightkit was named as a matching theme to Darkkit, and then grew up to look a lot like uncle Bramblestorm. They also got the Tigerkin´s broad shoulders and stocky build, but are more of a crafter than hunter.

Pinekit

b/bl O/- d/d A/ Mc/mc W/S L/

Cream mackerel tabby shorthair with low white. A single kit from their last litter.

Tigerkin Genetics

We´re just doing the three kits of Leopardfoot + Pinestar and their parents for now.

Tigerclaw

We´re starting with the man himself, the canon design I´m the most attached to. He´s a long-haired classic black tabby, with no white, no ginger. So we´re starting out here and leaving things free for when we get to the parents. So.

B/b A/a D/d mc/mc ta/ta i/i l/l w/w

So why did I put the ticked and white spotting genes in there although they don´t affect him? Because of his future kids, of course. We´ll get to them eventually.

Mistpaw

Our little protagonist who got the lucky draw. A shorthaired silver mackerel tabby with no white.

B/b A/a D/d Mc/ I/i l/l

I didn´t put in any genes that don´t affect her in here because she doesn´t have kittens.

Nightleap

Our dead Tigerkin family haunter. A solid black molly. Easy, right?

B/b a/a D/D Mc/ L/l

Wait, you scream, another shorthair?! Don´t worry, we´ll get to it.

Pinestar

Canon Pinestar is described as a dark reddish-brown tom, solid colored. Some people make him a ginger, but all gingers are tabby, even with the ticked gene. So, we´re going a different route. I present to you ...

b/b D/d a/a mc/ I/i L/l

Chocolate Pinestar! Carrying dilution from his mom, who is a light brown tabby. This means that all of his kids carry the chocolate gene, but no dilution. Also, all his kids have a little a, so he could be a solid but still carry one mc. Wether or not he´d be mackerel or classic doesn´t matter, what matters is that he has one mc to pass down to Tiger. Now onto the inhibitor. Because Leopardfoot is mottled black and I´m a bit more attached to that and she has a sibling that influences a few more cats, I´m giving the I to Pinestar. That means both Pinestar and probably Oakstar were smokes!

He´s also a shorthair and carries one little l for Tiger to inherit.

Leopardfoot

A mottled black molly. Wtf is a "mottled" cat? Google is giving me torties, but there´s literally no ginger in this family tree. So, we´re going with ....

B/ A/a Mc/mc d/d L/l w/w

Blue tabby Leopardfoot! I made her a blue tabby so Tiger wouldn´t be too similar to her, and blue tabbies can be pretty dark so she´s probably as dark as it goes. She also carries one classic tabby gene for Tiger, mackerel for Mist and one little a for Night.

[exocynraku]

father & daughter

[flamenose]

Woollytail

[goatpaste]

🧶

[Commission Info] [Etsy]

[sunset-embers-warriors-designs]

Some notable cats from Tallstar’s Revenge 

[bonefall]

are lilywhisker and brightflower in the dark forest? their reasons for being put there were godawful (and later retconned iirc since this was a su susann thing), but they could potentially be given alternative reasons as a way to expand the DF cast even more, since you mentioned wanting more cats in it, especially ones with gray morality

I hadn't been considering it because the old reasons were SOOO bad, but... there is potential in Lilywhisker.

Lilywhisker was present in the early Campaign Era, when Heatherstar was just starting to signal her intention to kill tunneling. Tunneling is an ancient, PEACEFUL tradition, very hard to exploit for conquest. Especially in the contested Mothermouth Moorland, which is a floodplain and almost completely incompatible with digging projects.

Lilywhisker would be right there with Sandgorse and Woolytail that they couldn't stand back and let her kill this. None of them would want to KILL Heatherstar, but Lily in particular would happily defy orders.

That could be a violation of the Leader's Rights, especially if Lily was secretly giving extra training to apprentices. She could have ended up with her broken spine NOT because tunnelling is so dangerous, but because she was forced into secretive and unsafe work conditions.

But I'm not sure if that's enough to damn her, StarClan isn't THAT cruel... she needs a little more. Fighting at gatherings, perhaps? Corrupting the youth and thus violating the Leader's Rights AND Right of the Challenge? Spilling tunnelling secrets to apprentices of OTHER Clans?

But anyway, Brightflower

She is actually dead long before TPB in this rewrite, because Yellowfang is supposed to be OLD. Bothers me immensely that canon wrote this ancient woman's ancient mom having kittens for some reason, when Rowanberry is RIGHT there.

Mintpool and Marigoldkit are Rowanberry and Clawface's! Younger siblings of Stumptail.

So Brightflower COULD be in the DF, but, why? She never got to serve under Brokenstar since she was active in the late Crusade/early Campaign era, she has a ShadowClan mate... maybe she was ruthless? Snowtuft's murder buddy, maybe?

Lilywhisker is a maybe towards a yes; Brightflower is a maybe towards a no.