#Who is the 'true' villain of undertale

[thegirlsarethriving]

just finished undertale. ok i see the vision. i now understand yall's Sans-to-Benrey obsession pipeline. and the Papyrus-to-Tommy Coolatta pipeline

[pumpkinrootbeer]

sometimes I think about how the game that completely changed how the general public viewed pixel rpgs, has a breathtaking soundtrack that has completely escaped it's original circle, has lines like "It's you!" "Despite everything it's still you", changed so many people's mind about empathy in video games, was damn near revolutionary in how it used game mechanics as part of the story and literally fucked with the code of your computer, uses the game code as a means of storytelling, has secrets people still are trying to unravel to this day, and has a boss fight so mind-blowing people still talk about it and for so many people it's ongoing legacy is Kanye West likes...., selfcest, and that time it killed the queen of England. And I love that. good job team

[skrunksthatwunk]

somebody's probably already talked about this but i cant get that fucking mountain goats post outta my head and ive been talking to myself about love as a central theme of frankly most art but especially the art i love the most and i got to undertale and i need to talk about it

god it's all about love. wanting love, not wanting to lose it, grief, hope, determination, it's all fucking love in like 8 different hats. it's the monsters' love they show you (the mercy they show you) that allows frisk to help them get their freedom, it's the player's love for them that brings mercy in the first place, it's all fucking love.

flowey only got his power to reset from dying with his sibling after an act of love for them and you know what he did? he spent years of his life interacting with the people and world as much as he could, in as many ways as possible. he loved being with them and wanted to experience everything because everything was worthwhile to him because of love. and that greed for love led to oversaturation, led to boredom, led to him hurting people to feel anything in that absence of love. he never stopped loving chara, y'know? he was always looking for someone else to play with, someone who could make him feel like nothing had happened. so much so that he follows frisk throughout the underground, insists on keeping them and you there as much as possible, both bitter and needy. and he has to admit that frisk isn't chara to move on. you're not them. they're gone. asriel's gone, too, or will be after this. it's love for chara that leads him to break the barrier, as it was for asgore to try and stop you, and for toriel to take you in at the beginning and the end. it was the desire for love that kept him from letting go, and that caused him to harm so many, as it was for alphys, undyne, asgore, toriel, etc. him, arguably more than anyone else, hurt people out of desire for love and grief over it. and it's him acknowledging that desire and letting it go when it hurts people that sets everyone free.

it is love that makes you go back through the underground, calling papyrus and undyne and toriel in every room just to see their different responses. it is love that leads you to check everywhere before finally ending the game. it is love that leads you back to where your friends are standing, talking about how they've been changed by you, about how the love between you has led to this. it's love that makes you end it to see them happy, and curiosity (which in this case is often just greed for love) to some extent.

and it is love and greed for it that brings you to the reset screen. and flowey, whose desire for love almost consumed everything, that kept the people he loved from their happy endings, from their futures, that asks you to reconsider. having seen all you have, having seen his mistakes, and how happy your friends are now, are you willing to put your desire for love above their happiness? above their freedom? will you make the same choice as him after seeing what harm it caused, after finally getting what you wanted? because whatever reason for resetting you have, it'd probably boil down to love in some way. love for the characters, for the game (experience or lore), etc.

flowey's downfall, to some extent, was in the apathy that came from overconsumption. instead of cherishing the life he had, he had to know the rest. he couldn't let it lie, couldn't find peace about it and move on. he had one life, as do you, as do (in theory) these characters, one you would at that point snatch from them by resetting. flowey's asking you to think twice about whether or not you want to control them, to play with their lives for your own happiness. even if it is out of love.

because it always is.

[haveyouseenthisskeleton]

SO works at an animal shelter and our skeleton walks in once and is now ever animal in the shelters favorite person

SO is really jealous

Undertale Sans - Well sorry not sorry about that. What can he say? He's very popular. You told him you were concerned about what type of skeleton he is. Now it's pretty clear he must be some kind of gigantic sloth skeleton or something. Every animal wants to nap on him.

Undertale Papyrus - Papyrus is actually a little overwhelmed by all the dogs around him. He doesn't know who he hasn't pet yet and it's stressing him out knowing one dog might feel less loved than the other ones. He doesn't care about what you think right now, he's too focused on trying to understand why terrible people would abandon such sweet babies. By the end of the day, he's asking you to adopt one.

Underswap Sans - He swears he did nothing, stop looking at him like that! He didn't even know that guinea pigs, which are neither from guinea or pigs, were a thing! He's lying in the enclosure, entirely covered with guinea pigs and he's not regretting anything. They're all squishy!

Underswap Papyrus - If I were you, I wouldn't be jealous about that. You should worry about how the hell you're going to convince your giant golden retriever of a boyfriend to go home without his 150 new dog babies. Honey never wants to leave again. That's his people. What do you mean he can't take all of them home? You can't let them sleep in this horrible place in the dark! That's abuse! What is they cry and no one hears them? D: He's devastated when you drag him out of there, begging you to at least take one home or he could never forgive himself lol. He's going to guilt trip you for weeks to get his fourth dog and he's not going to change his mind so good luck with that.

Underfell Sans - He's a bit uncomfortable, a lot of parrots on his arms and on his head. He doesn't understand why you're mad, he's literally terrified to move right now. Please take them back? Red is not exactly an animal person, not with birds at least, and he's a little confused right now. He's not sure how to escape this situation.

Underfell Papyrus - What? You're jealous? Good! He's a volunteer in a rescue as well and he told you he had a nice touch with the cats. Now you can see how true this is because he is clearly the best in all he does. Cry like a loser while he pets all the cats like an epic villain. Don't you know cats prefer scary people because they are better at protecting them from predators? You swear he just invented that. You're so mad.

Horrortale Sans - Well, you saw how the animals are all attracted to him in the farm so it's not a bit surprise all the dogs and cats are dying to come to see him. Even the most fearful dogs are all crawling on his lap to get affection. He just sits in the dog playroom while you work and have fun with the little furbabies. You wish you could do the same.

Horrortale Papyrus - He acts smug and silly because he likes to tease you, but you can see he's actually really happy about that. He didn't have that much love in a long time and even if it's little rabbits and not humans or monsters, he's happy. He even sits on the floor to stay with them and it's quite a while now, to the point you're a bit concerned about his back. But he's too happy to disturb him for now. He can have that moment.

Swapfell Sans - You can't believe it honestly. Chinchillas only choose one special person and somehow it's Nox. You wanted to be their special person! That's so unfair, you're trying to socialize them for weeks! Nox acts like he doesn't care and all but you surprise him by searching the internet to see what he needs to buy to take care of chinchillas. He's not asking you by the way. He's taking them home.

Swapfell Papyrus - You stop watching him for two minutes and then he comes in the room holding a huge raccoon in his hands and asks you to adopt him. You're so confused. There's literally no raccoon in your shelter??? Where the hell did it come from??? Rus is very proud of himself though. And he's definitely getting home with that thing, either you say yes or no. He's ready to squeeze it in his ribcage.

Fellswap Gold Sans - Wine is not happy. He has cat hair everywhere on his handmade suit and he's slowly dying inside. He hates cats. He hates all animals really, why the hell are they clinging to him like that? He's distressed and keeps staring at his S/O intensely to have some help. Unfortunately, you're way too amused to come and save him. It's rare to see Wine lose his mind.

Fellswap Gold Papyrus - You let him have his fun. Coffee is crying right now, buried under a pile of big dogs. He's a bit overwhelmed and can't control his feelings anymore. All you can see are his two arms, trying to hug as many dogs as he can. He's never getting out of the pile. It's the best day of his life.

[justali-anne]

Thought Week: Flowey

Flowey is apparently the most popular character right now! And while that is really intriguing, I'm not surprised! He's one of the most complex and most tragic characters in the entire game. So, here are my thoughts about him.

(BTW, if you want to share your thoughts on Flowey, please reblog and share them! I love it when people come together to talk about a certain character, it brings a sense of community and I REALLY want to be a part of that. So please, reblog!)

(Also, the subheadings are gonna be colour-coded based on the character. I love colour-coded characters with a passion.)

First Impressions

I first encountered Flowey during my MLP phase when I was 11. I was watching a Fluttershy Plays Undertale Let's Play, and to be honest, I didn't think much of Flowey at first. To me, he was just the meanie that tricked Fluttershy into running into his friendliness pellets. I was more focused on Fluttershy, to be honest.

However, that is my earliest memory of Undertale. My first exposure to Undertale, funnily, wasn't Sans. It was Flowey. Well, Fluttershy, but Flowey was the first Undertale character I ever saw. Toriel was the second.

And I only just saw Flowey as a cheeky flower with a thirst for blood. I didn't look into him as anything more than that. Not until I got into Undertale as a 16 year old, anyway.

When I actually did get into the Undertale fandom and learned about his backstory, I thought, "Oh. That's a cool character. A sad one, but cool nonetheless." He was interesting, but not my favourite. I liked his sassiness and his tragic side and his creativity, but other than that, there just wasn't a lot I could say about him.

My Thoughts Now

Frick, I love this guy! Not as much as the Skelebros, but he's by far one of the most interesting characters in the whole game! While there wasn't a lot I could say about him in the past, there's definitely a lot I can say about him now!

By the way, I'm going to talk about Asriel here too, since I consider them to be the same person. Well... They are, but I think people tend to forget that.

One of my favourite things about Flowey (and Asriel) is that he's actually a genuinely creative person! He's creative in such a childlike manner, and I find that so very charming. Some of his incredible creations include things like...

Photoshop Flowey!

And the God of Hyperdeath!

Just look at this kid go!!!!! He is clearly a creative genius!!!!

No, but seriously, he gives heavy edgy 12-year-old vibes, and that just works so well, Toby Fox is so good at writing complex characters, it's just... AJEJHFHSJSJG. ...!?:.

It really hammers home that Flowey is a CHILD. He is a child who never got to grow up, who went through something insanely traumatic, who misses his best friend, whose loneliness has driven him to commit terrible acts just to FEEL SOMETHING. I used to see Flowey as a sadistic villain! But now it's just... sad. Sad and nuanced.

Even Flowey isn't all evil. Heck, I have a hard time even seeing him as evil anymore. He's definitely a bad guy, but he's just so... tragic.

Honestly, I think people often forget about Flowey's ability to be GOOD despite his lack of compassion. He is capable of making good choices! Mostly during the True Mercy ending, but even without a SOUL, Flowey is still capable of being nice. And that is another thing I like about him, and something I feel like should be discussed more often.

This is only one example.

Flowey and Asriel

There's a lot more I can say about him, but these are the first things that pop into mind when I think of him. He's such a sad character, it's not even funny. Personally, when I write him, I like to write him as very nuanced. His psychology is what I'm most interested in. The same can be said for a lot of characters, though.

To me, Flowey and Asriel are two sides of the same coin. Simultaneously, I see them as the same person. They represent periods in his life. Asriel for the simpler, happier times, before everything went to shit (excuse my language), and Flowey as the traumatised result of that shit.

And no matter what he does...

He can never get those simpler times back. And that's why Asriel can't stay...

People always talk about Asriel as this sweet-hearted, innocent crybaby, but I think that Flowey gives hints as to what he was really like in life. He was someone who would do anything to make his best friend happy, who liked to engage in mischief, who was a sore loser. And yes, I still think he was a kind-hearted soul... When he had a soul. I still think Flowey has some shades of kindness in there. Some emotions too.

Flowey ISN'T emotionless. I think we know that already, though. Throughout the game, Flowey displayed emotions like frustration, fear, excitement, sadness and grief. He GRIEVED for the loss of his compassion. For the loss of his best friend. But eventually, he just became numb to it, especially after he got the RESET ability.

Oh...

The Narrative

Flowey is up there as one of the most important characters in the entirety of Undertale. That is just a fact.

Story-wise, his death, as well as Chara's, set in motion the series of events that led to what the Underground is like by the time Frisk falls down. It created a whole domino effect! If it weren't for Asriel's death, Asgore would have never made that policy, Toriel would have never retreated to the Ruins, Alphys wouldn't have done those experiments, Sans wouldn't have found an anomaly in the timeline, and so on.

In a meta sense, Flowey is also the most important character, especially when it comes to resets and time loops. Imagine having the power to do whatever you want and take away the consequences. It sounds exciting, but eventually, you just grow numb to it all. Perhaps you'd want to try something different. Something more... extreme. He reflects the player in such a terrifying way, although I can argue that he had more freedom than Frisk because Frisk is literally being controlled by us, and in terms of exploration, we don't really stray off the path that much. But Flowey could go anywhere, do anything, and that's what makes him more scary.

Also, I've just had a thought. In typical RPG games, you come across enemies and bosses that you have to defeat (usually by killing or dismantling), and if you fail to do that, you die. "Kill or be killed".

And that's why Flowey's so important. If it weren't for Flowey, we wouldn't have Undertale the way it is. He's more than just the main villain, he's a representation of a player who's been playing the same game for far, far too long.

Conclusion

I like Flowey! He's not my favourite, but I can see why he would be to a lot of people. His tragedy, his creativity, and his role in the narrative are the three things that stick out to me about him the most.

But most of all... I love that he's essentially a bratty, traumatised kid.

I haven't covered every single aspect about Flowey, but this is just thoughts about him, this isn't an analysis or anything.

If you want to add your thoughts about Flowey, please please please please PLEASE add them in the notes! I wanna see people come together to talk about a character, it would be so cool!

See you tomorrow with Papyrus!

[daydreaming-scheming-demon]

i know undertale is like, almost a decade old at this point, even older if you count the kickstarter’s age, but i still cant get over how flowey/asriel is literally such a cool fucking character. he’s like a player that plays a game too many times and stops being able to see the characters as people as their brain sees them acting the same and doing the same things on each replay and how he loses his sympathy bc of that. and this makes him come across as a typical pure evil antagonist at first, but then you learn his backstory, and it’s all just, aghhhhhhhh. and then you learn in the genocide route that he helped people at first, he used to be kind, but he got bored, and how that contrasts the player on the genocide route with flowey, the genocide route where the player is now in the role of the pure evil villain, just like flowey was.

and also i love how the guy is literally just an edgy kid. like, he comes across as an adult at first, but the guy’s just like one of those cynical little kids who only wants to see the worst in everything. and how that’s portrayed in the true pacifist route where he gives himself this edgy name and transformation sequence that feels like something a kid would come up with. tho the idea that he’s a kid does kinda come into question when you consider all the resets he’s been on, but even still he never got to grow up.

i wanna hug this lil dude so badly, even in flower form, he deserves a hug.

i fucking love this dude, he’s kinda like a pure evil antagonist, but actually has a backstory that makes you feel sorry for him and make his actions feel understandable, even if he can feel like some insane cartoon supervillain, his actions still feel reasonable with his backstory in mind. it’s like taking the idea of an unrealistically evil villain and asking yourself what couldve possibly made them that way

and his whole life as asriel with chara as a sibling. aghhhhhhhh, i love it.

and how in the beginning of the game he probably hasnt even realized his powers are missing yet, and that may just be a small thing but i find it a fun small recontextualization. that in this moment where you seem like you’re falling into his trap, he doesnt even realize that you have far more power over him than he thinks. and something i never even really thought about for a while is how he probably had a bit of a mental breakdown realizing his powers are missing sometime between your first and second time meeting him, and how he probably had to get himself all ready to talk with you again and come across as confident and threatening. like, there’s no way he just brushed off the fact that his powers are missing so easily, his plan to use you to retrieve the souls probably helped him feel better, but there’s no way this dude just brushed off losing the powers he’s been relying on for who knows how long so easily. he definitely got all angry and scared at his missing powers sometime between your first and second meeting, for at least a little while.

honestly, i feel like undertale didnt have enough of him. he deserved more screentime imo. which is why i was really happy to see his characterizationin done so well in undertale yellow, i fucking loved how that game built on his character. and his whole boss fight in that game somehow outdoing his boss fights in the original game. and how a lot of his attacks involve self harm in some way. and how he acts as the save points for the game so you get to hear a lot more from him throughout the game. i feel like undertale yellow gave me some characterization for him that i really fucking needed.

genuinely one of my favourite characters in all of fiction. would love to have a conversation with this lil guy.

[temfling]

DELTARUNE: MOTU PATLU THEORY

THATS RIGHT BABY!! IM BACK WITH THE THEORIES!! I couldn’t just stop at chapter… I dunno six! Yeah, I may have solved the Susies Inside chapter, but what about Chapter 3?? Well I got news for you guys…

Motu. And Patlu. Never heard of them? What are you, living under a rock or something… well… it’s a Hindi cartoon that’s really popular overseas… but wait. That’s the POINT! Your not SUPPOSED to know it… because it’s discarded…

So Every secret boss so far has a habit of being a darkner based on discarded/Forgotten/Unwanted items… well. How many people in the states know this cartoon? Not very many,,, even though it’s great… so could Motu and Patlu be what the next secret boss is based off of? Let’s see gamers…

EVIDENCE ONE: BIG GUY SKINNY GUY

Comedy duos, you know them, you love them. Woody, Buzz. Mario, Luigi. Bob, Larry. But what does this have to do with Motu and Patlu… erm guys… notice anything about most of them?! Mario, Buzz, Bob, and Motu: bulky big guys. Luigi, Larry, Woody, and Patlu: tall, thin guys… oh my goodness!! Motu and patlu ALSO fit that theme… “But how does this fit in with Deltarune chapter 3?!” Your asking… oh my gosh guys this is too easy!!

erm… Sans and Papyrus, the most iconic comedy duo next to none, is also bulky and thin. Guys?? Notice anything?? I think THIS proves that they’ll use blue soul… and that they’ll be cannon!! But need more proof?? SAY NO MORE:

On the left is Sans and Papyrus’s House, and on the right is Motu and Palau’s. Notice the similarity’s?? I do…

Maybe the Motu and Patlu secret boss could be a duo, and make fun of the whole trope of smart guy who does all the work and lazy dumb guy… hrm…

EVIDENCE TWO: CHARACTER SIMILARITIES!

Okay so we already talked about how Sans and Motu and Papyrus and Patlu are BASICALLY the same guy, but if your STILL not convinced, I got more…

Rook. Mike. Whatever there gonna be, the main boss of Chapter 3 seems to be a cheater, a criminal of sorts… well… hehee… you know who ELSE is a criminal?? JHON THE DON. That’s RIGHT. The TRUE and NEO villain of Motu and Patlu, who’s the son of motu and patlu’s town. He’s always causing trouble with his lackeys around… could this mean that chapter 3’s main boss is based on the Villian of Motu and Patlu, while the secret boss is the good guys…?! No… no… erm… YES! It’s kind of OBVIOUS??

My theory is the main boss is gonna be Mike, now dubbed “The Don.” He must’ve not only backstabbed Soamton, but the chapter three secret boss… and Tenna will be… I dunno… probably his own character.

Anyways, Gaster. “Gaster? This crazy guy who does bad things?” You may be asking what GASTER has to do with this theory… heh… well, gaster in undertale was the Royal Scientist, right? Well… erm… somebody pull up Motu Patlu Wiki!

He’s a SCIENTIST… who doesn’t treat his PATIENTS well… sounds familiar…

Dr. Jhakta also uses Motu and Patlu as Guinea Pigs for his work. Gaster uses darkners and does stuff that’s evil… or whatever. I think. I dunno BUT THE POINT IS GASTER MUST'VE LIKE EXPERIMENTED ON THE SECRET BOSS WHICH CAUSED THEM TO GO INSANE!! Erm…!!! Yes!!

FINAL PART: WHAT OBJECT ARE THEY

So at first I thought they could be like a bootleg DVD or whatever. But wait guys… remember where the chapters dark world is…

And then think about what Motu is known for. Dumb… lazy… but also, when he eats his favorite FOOD he gets super STRONG… wait. FOOD?! Guys what’s in houses? Kitchens… guys… what’s motus favorite food…??

SAMOSAS. THE DISCARDED OBJECT IS LIKE FROZEN SAMOSAS IN THE FRIDGE OR SOMETHING!!!

and if your STILL. Not. convinced… here’s some stuff

Yeah yeah yeah bye

[wonderfull-star]

Me before watching season 1 of Undervese fully: Wow, it's Ink! The well-known funny skeleton artist! Yes, he is also on the same side with the Classic, Fell and Swap! And he'll definitely be on their side until the very end of the season, right? Right…?

Me after watching the season 1 fully: What the hell is going on in this series??! Who is the hero and who is the villain??! And why did an incomprehensible, terrifying inky demonic creature straight from the deepest depths of hell stare straight into my soul??

Even Nightmare was a little scared! Although I didn’t expect this from him. Of course, I saw a lot of videos where Ink is depicted as soulless with an evil, scary face, but I still didn’t expect such a large-scale betrayal. Ink is a real scammer. When I watched the episodes, Error seemed MUCH more sane to me. At least he was doing his job all along. Error even concluded a truce with Ink and canceling of which Ink was to blame. What did Ink do throughout the series? Yes, anything but definitely NOT the protection of au’s. Oh yes, I remembered! For him it's just a game! And no, I’m not discussing the problem of the plot, but rather its merits. Like.. Yes, yes! This is what I expected! They showed us what Ink really is like without his paints. And that is, that person on which it is definitely better NOT to rely. Not only because of his memory problems and many oddities, but also because, having lost his paints, he will simply not care about anyone(well,even with emotions, sometimes Ink doesn’t care either). When I looked at the moments with Error I was like: what’s wrong? I've seen many people portray him as a crazy psychopath (well maybe a little) while Ink is portrayed as a "hero". However, I had mixed feelings while watching it. While at least Error was fulfilling his purpose, Ink sometimes did all sorts of nonsense, pretending to be a “good guy” and disappearing at the most inopportune moment. Error didn’t even intend to touch anyone at first. Until, of course, Ink and Fresh came to interfere and started acting like idiots. Now I don’t even remember why at one point Ink came to Error (when he was just watching Undernovela). Probably just to torment him (as he usually does in company with Fresh). Fresh is just added here for background. For the beauty and aesthetics of the series, so to speak. And Error basically like a punching bag. Now I don’t understand why Nightmare still hasn’t joined all this “fun” of Ink and Fresh. I'm sure that there are more negative emotions in Error himself than in all multiverses. Oh, yes, then there would be such an exciting plot where Nightmare carries poor XChara, exhausted and beaten by life, across all the damn multiverses for the sake of his sadistic pleasure (Nightmare, your true goal is in the anti-void,tho).

I just feel sorry for Classic, Fell and Swap. They were the most suffered by what was happening. In Undertale, everyone was waiting for Sans to finally come to a stupid picnic, while Cross deleted Fell’s whole damn Snowdin, and for Swap, his entire universe was destroyed while its inhabitants were in a stolen Underfell's Snowdin and stood motionless like mannequins in an abandoned clothing store 💀

What a funny Undertale cartoon 😊

[sunder-the-gold]

Please name the best games that allowed you to become an anti-hero, the villain protagonist, or even just replace the antagonist as the true villain of the story

The communists in charge of Star Wars: Outlaws told themselves that they wanted you to play as a free-spirit rebel and pirate, but they were so terrified of actual misbehavior that they would only allow you to attack strong and wealthy targets. Because they cannot accept the idea that a criminal would EVER do the sensible thing and prey upon the weak, because that's the sort of thing that only The System does!

I know that in the first BioShock game, you could sacrifice the Little Sisters in the name of expediency, and this had some effect on the ending.

While you could argue that nothing you did could make you worse than the antagonist of BioShock, so that you would be an anti-hero at worst, you couldn't argue that the more heroic and moral path would be to spare the Little Sisters.

Mass Effect only went so far as to allow you to play the anti-hero with its "Renegade" path. You weren't allowed to do anything so bad that you became the biggest evil in the galaxy, but you were at least allowed to save the world while being an impulsive, rude, selfish asshole. If I have the right of it.

inFAMOUS and Prototype allowed you to play as either the most heroic your character could possibly be (given Alex's shitty circumstances and monstrous abilities) or as anti-hero like the Punisher or the worst interpretations of Batman. But I forget if you could ever just straight up replace the central villain as the world's biggest threat.

In Undertale, where the Pacifist Route and ending are unambiguously the most moral and heroic path you can take, and the Neutral route contains too many possibilities to generalize, but the Genocide Route has you become a villain antagonist without ANY 'greater scope villain' to serve as your antagonist. The monster Flowey doesn't even try to fight you, only the Biggest Damn Heroes among monsterkind.

Soul Nomad & The World Eaters also allows you to become the greatest scope villain, who ends the game by killing the universe. As well as lesser variations of villain-protagonist or anti-hero.

[its-a-me-mango]

So.. is mr puzzle is the new tumblr sexy man?

See here's the thing about tumblr sexymen, what REALLY defines one is how unexpected they are. While yes Mr Puzzles does fit the appearance and character for a Tumblr sexyman, it's kinda expected for him to be generally well liked by Tumblr (you know with the villain vibes, fancy suit, "i can fix him" backstory, etc.), so I will still consider him one based on fitting the criteria, but he's not a TRUE Tumblr sexyman to me.

Think of Undertale for example, that game has Mettaton, who feels like he'd be the perfect character to be a Tumblr sexyman, but who does everyone choose instead?

this fucking thing

It's all about the unexpected for genuine tumblr sexyman status, we've had Reigen, Tony the Clock, The Onceler, Cecil Palmer, Bill Cipher, Wheatley and more. None of those characters should be a Tumblr sexyman and yet they still are because enough people think they're hot in their own weird and fucked up way.

So yea, Mr Puzzles gets a half pass as a Tumblr sexyman, because it's expected for people on Tumblr to find him attractive but he would fit the criteria if he wasn't so obvious. A good Tumblr sexyman makes you go "WHO THE FUCK IS THINKING THIS GUY IS HOT????" lol

[random-autie-fangirl]

I make Chara posts

so here are a few of the longer/more notable ones

from the top:

about the buttercup plan 1. (5) My thoughts on the buttercup plan and the true lab tapes is like...yeah, Chara's being pushy and they are being manipulative.... – @random-autie-fangirl on Tumblr,

2. (17) Because of Chara's wish to be "erased from existence", I cannot really consider their death (through buttercups) a sacrifice.... – @random-autie-fangirl on Tumblr

"that's the power you were trying to stop" (20) Determination - the power Chara was fighting to stop – @random-autie-fangirl on Tumblr

oversealous judge child (30) I think with the message of Undertale basically being "everyone can be a good person if they just try". It makes sense that at... – @random-autie-fangirl on Tumblr

what path do they prefer? (50) "Chara wants you to fight and hates it when you spare" "Chara wants you to spare and hates it when you fight" Buddy, they most... – @random-autie-fangirl on Tumblr

and...when do they start helping? (55) Okay, the thing is that with the geno run, Chara only actually starts helping at the beginning of Snowdin, that's when they... – @random-autie-fangirl on Tumblr

do why know why Chara climbed the mountain? (65) There are enough lines that make it clear what Chara told Asriel their reason for climbing the mountain was that I am starting... – @random-autie-fangirl on Tumblr

Aaah, hubris...

(73) The most succinct way for me to describe my Chara is... – @random-autie-fangirl on Tumblr

(86) Hubristic Asshole Fight – @random-autie-fangirl on Tumblr (this is a reblog)

A headcanon sheet!

(99+) Hey, Do you have any Chara headcanons? – @random-autie-fangirl on Tumblr

(99+) Hey, Do you have any Chara headcanons? – @random-autie-fangirl on Tumblr

(In two parts because I added stuff to the first post that doesn't show up on the reblog)

(99+) I think Chara never really believed in Asgore's idea of peace between humans and monsters while they were alive – @random-autie-fangirl on Tumblr

What does Chara think of Flowey/Asriel post pacifist? (99+) In my opinion, Chara gets really close to forgiving Asriel for messing up their plan, really close to just admitting they made a... – @random-autie-fangirl on Tumblr

Black and white morality (99+) I think one thing many people would agree that Chara has is a rather black and white sense of who (or what's) good or bad. It's... – @random-autie-fangirl on Tumblr

Chara as embodiment of narration and statistics (99+) The holy quartet of video game narrators which are actually living beings (...and also kinda suck) – @random-autie-fangirl on Tumblr

Deltarune stuff:

(99+) I have quite a few Chara related deltarune headcanons but what is possibly the funniest and (initially) easiest to explain thing... – @random-autie-fangirl on Tumblr

(99+) Yes, I do genuinely believe Alvin to be the knight, and I believe Chara to be the angel/final villain (in the normal route, that... – @random-autie-fangirl on Tumblr

(99+) With my personal view of Deltarune being after souless pacifist... – @random-autie-fangirl on Tumblr

(99+) My plan did not fail. Look around you, look at the monsters living up in the sunlight Hear about my brother, alive and well,... – @random-autie-fangirl on Tumblr (this is creative writing!)

Chara the scientist (99+) Chara the scientist – @random-autie-fangirl on Tumblr

[voidandabyssal]

Og undertale crew ends up having to play a horror game, who nopes out the moment the soundtrack amps up, who manages to still beat the game by sacrificing nightmareless sleep, and who’d just blow through it like the ring carnation of Doomslayer?

Frisk:

Plays through the game, completely deadfaced, even when its the middle of the night, pitch black and the soundtrack loudly amps up. They don't flinch. The only sound they make to indicate their scared is when they get jump scared, even then it's just a small gasp.

Undyne wails in defeat.

Toriel:

Toriel is immediatly nervous, she's only playing the game because Frisk insisted. She immediatly nopes out when she's forced to walk down a dark hallway.

She gives up and just heads back to finishing off one of her famous pies. Though she does watch the others, and laughs when Undyne falls out of her chair

Sans:

He's completely chill. "Whaddya talking bout Frisk, I'm not sweating, skeletons don't sweat kiddo." he tries to hide it, whittling off puns to distract the others, while discretely wiping away any blue sweat that beads down his head.

He does break, jumping out of his seat when theres a running away level. Sans doesn't like that sort of tension, reminds him of bad times. He ruffles Frisks hair and leaves to go 'help' Toriel (aka fall asleep in the living room chair)

Papyrus:

"NOTHING CAN STOP ME HUMAN! I AM THE GREAT PAPYRUS!... AAAAAAHHHHHH" Papyrus gets jumpscared before the first jumpscare even actually happens, one of the creepy ambiant music plays and he freaks out. He sits with Frisk cheering the others on as they complete the game

Undyne:

Undyne blows through the game, shrieking angry threats at any of the ghosts and swinging any weapons around, somehow she manages to kill the ghost, which was techinically not supposed to happen. "HAHAHA I KNEW I COULD DO IT! C'MON ALPHYS YOU GOTTA TRY!" she convinces Alphys to join in.

Alphys:

At first Alphys stands in the corner watching the others, cheering on quietly as they play. Initially she's too anxious to try and play with all these people watching her but Undyne encourages her to join in.

So she sits down and... wait, HOW'D SHE BEAT THE GAME ALREADY?!?!

Alphys, whos spents years living as a true gamer (in the basement covered in cheeto dust) learnt a few hacks that would let her completely fly over any objective. She wins the game the quickest, and with much cheers from Undyne

Mettaton:

Mettaton arrives to the party, fashionable late, and immediatly dismisses the game "Darling that's just terrible for your skin" He says as Frisk askes if he wants to join in. Though he does watch, and records who plays next. "It'll make great footage for my show darling"

Asgore:

He arrives, bringing may cups of Golden flower tea into the room. "Ah is this the game I've heard about? Very well, I'll give it a try" Asgore hunchs over in the little chair, doing his best to avoid having it collapse under his weight.

He gets through to about halfway before he gets to nervous to continue, He doesn't like the villains that look like children. It's too offputting for him so he quits.

Flowey:

He isn't able to play, due to not having any fingers, though he does backseat drive when Frisk plays and he does angrily scream at the villains

[eksvee15]

EUREKA, UTDR THEORISTS.

I have been working on a theory regarding all of our repetitive smiles. All the weird smiles we don't know the meaning of in Undertale and Deltarune? That theory attempts to solve this mystery.

I call this theory, the Cheshire Smiles Theory, or the Consequences Theory. Bear with me on this one because it'll be a wild [Ride Around Town].

Disclaimer, this theory bases itself off the "Chara is the consequence, not the villain" theory, the "Kris hates us" theory, the overpopular "MysteryMan is Gaster's sprite" theory and the whole shtick of the secret bosses seeking out freedom. This theory also bases itself around the concept of Consequences a LOT. If you don't believe/like any of those theories, read at your own risks and don't get angry at me. I warned.

What is a cheshire cat's smile?

Smiling like a cheshire cat, as defined by google, goes as follows : "The Chesire Cat grin is an expression made by The Trickster who's up to something, and 'something' never bodes well for the person they are smiling at. Usually, it involves their total humiliation - occasionally it involves mortal danger."

Alternatively, a cheshire cat smile can be compared to the very literal meaning of it : The smile found on the enigmatic Cheshire Cat from Alice in Wonderland. The peculiar traits we'll focus on here will be the enigmatic smiles behind which he hides, as well as its ability to disappear and appear at any time.

In Undertale and Deltarune, however, smiles are relatively common. Happy smiles like Papyrus and Undyne's, embarassed smiles like Alphys', fake smiles like Rouxls Kaard's, hopeful smiles like Asgore's and Asriel's, evil smiles like KING's and somewhat Queen's? But most notably Flowey (the absolute king of evil and fake smiles here). This leaves a type of smile : The type of smile found on Chara, Spamton, Jevil, Sans to an extent, MysteryMan/Gaster, Spamton NEO, Kris in the Ch1 ending, and the TV's smile in the Ch2 ending. Those, are which I'll refer to as cheshire smiles, and I believe they come from a specific cause : Consequences. Those smiles that seem to appear and disappear when we least expect it? They're all thanks to the consequences of actions. Ours, theirs, actions overall. And I'm going to explain why.

Undertale's Cheshire smiles

The most obvious cheshire smile I think about here is Chara's. Chara, the demon that comes when you call its name. You only see their smile upon completing either a No Mercy run, or a Post NoMercy Pacifist run. Chara is the literal embodiment of the consequences of our actions, here to delete our world regardless of our choice after a No Mercy run, here to remind us of our actions if we try a Pacifist afterwards. Chara is there. Chara remembers. Chara reminds. Chara is the consequence we deserve. And their smile is engraved in our game, as a consequence of making the underground go empty. And it will be there every single time.

Chara here is the whole basis of why this theory exists. A smile that we don't expect, a smile that randomly appears, and a smile motivated by the consequences of our actions. The perfect place to start. Chara is going to be our standart for what a Cheshire smile means in Undertale and Deltarune alike.

Our next candidate in Undertale will be Sans. Although Sans doesn't constantly seem to fit the description of cheshire smile, he is actually one of those that fits the BEST, both based on Cheshire Cat standarts and Chara standarts. He appears and disappears at will, has an unforgettable smile, is a literal judge, is silly and lazy (like a cat) but also, the Sans fight is the most memorable consequence of doing the No Mercy run. Sans' true smile, different from his smile in the textbox, only appears in the ending of a run most of the time, be it in the True Pacifist ending, or the No Mercy ending, we will be faced with that smile, possibly for dozens of times over. I don't count Papyrus, because Papyrus' smile is always innocent, happy, cheerful, confident. Sans' smile never shows emotion, he's a pokerface. Yes, I know, he appears shocked when we hit him but come on. This doesn't disprove it. Sans is peculiar also in the sense that he is very much depressed. Be it through the HP is Hope theory, or just by Undertale lore standarts, it's obvious Sans is depressed and his smile isn't there for himself. Which WOULD qualify him as a fake smiler if the whole rest of the explanation didn't matter, and if the Sans lore wasn't as complicated as it is. It's obvious something happened to make Sans stay like this, he's not just keeping it up for the image. We've yet to discover why, though.

The last member of this list will be MysteryMan/Gaster. I know he's relevant in both games, but his first real appearance is in Undertale plus his lore is in Undertale, so I'll put him there. Gaster is similar to Sans in his cheshire traits, in the sense that he is incredibly mysterious, basically can disappear at will, and his smile seems frozen on his face. A trait also similar to Cheshire Cat is that he doesn't seem real despite being in front of us. However, Gaster has no relevant appearance in the game for us, why would his smile be cheshire if there's none of our consequences? Well that's it, the consequences aren't OURS. They're HIS. His smile is frozen like this, frozen through time and space, because his ambition caused him to fall into his own creation. He was his own downfall, and as a consequence, he is stuck like this. Once again, a smile caused in consequences.

Notes

One could argue OMEGA Flowey's smile is a cheshire one, given the entire embodiment of consequence that he is. However, that's the only trait he has, a consequence that's not even caused. It's a decision he takes, the only consequence is that he looks like that after taking the souls, nothing more. OMEGA Flowey, much like Flowey, has a smile stuck in the Evil Smiles cathegory.

Mad Dummy and Mad MewMew don't count here, as their smiles are either malicious or, in No Mercy, genuine happiness. While the latter comes from a consequence, it isn't nearly relevant enough to be cheshire, and has no implication aside from "I finally became myself".

Deltarune's Cheshire smiles

With the Undertale part out of the way, time for the big bit of this theory : Deltarune. And oh boy do I have a lot to talk to. Bear in mind, Chara's smile is the standart Cheshire smile portrayed by Toby Fox.

Our first contestant here will be Kris. Kris? But they never smile!. . . They do, once to our knowledge. In the Chapter 1 ending, Kris flashes a menacing, yet.. Familiar smile to us. I believe this smile is the consequence of us, the soul, possessing them and making them do all of this, and their smile here as well as their actions is their way to fight back. It's to send a message to us, that consequences are coming. This smile is VERY reminiscent of Chara's own smile, which shows up at the end of the run and reminds us that our actions WILL have consequences. This is exactly Kris' message here, I believe. Small note here, this will be the one smile that barely doesn't fall out of cheshire. It's WAY on the fronteer, but given how relevant Kris' smile is in this scene, it barely makes it in.

Next up is Jevil, our good ole' jester of the deck himself. Jevil is probably the character that smiles the most in Deltarune, as he never gives it up. Even the Devilsknife is smiling, to quote him, and he IS the Devilsknife. Jevil has the silliness, and the ability to disappear to reappear, while also having the dangerousness and most of all - being optional. The consequences here, again and much like with Gaster, don't come from us. Seam (a smiling cat..how peculiar and conveinient.), Jevil's friend, gives us insight and story on Jevil. Evidently, Jevil found himself behind bars due to his false belief of being free to do anything, and going rogue because of it. Jevil broke, and his insanity lead him to where he is today as a consequence. Jevil is stuck smiling in his little freedom in the end.

We've been to one end of the freedom scale, let's go to the other end : Spamton G. Spamton. This guy has probably the biggest amount of consequence events in the entire Deltarune yet. He was a salesman, got a phonecall and as consequence his smile was everywhere, the phonecalls left so he fell to the dumpster and now he's just a smiler puppet craving ..something. The biggest reason I bring him to the table is because HE IS LITERALLY A COPY PASTE OF CHARA IN THE SNOWGRAVE RUN. He gives us the weapon of the kill, tells us how many left, and he is the overpowering force you meet at the very end of Chapter 2's dark world if you do Snowgrave. In parallel he calls out every single action you've taken. He literally does Chara's job in Deltarune Chapter 2's weird route, in which he becomes the embodiment of the consequences of our actions. In the normal route, as himself, he's a broken man trying to escape the situation his own consequences put him in. Spamton NEO is his own worst invention, an award losing smile to lose it all. Another thing that shows the cheshire in Spamton would be the way he seems to be everywhere. Check any dumpster, it'll have a pillow inside. Spamton lives everywhere. Even the LoadedDisk item smiles in your hand, like Devilsknife with Jevil.

Finally, the TV at the end of Chapter 2. I think it's going to be a prelude to a cheshire smile, it has the design for it already and with all the smiles we've encountered so far, this feels very much like Kris' smile. A prelude to danger, a message. We know one thing for sure : it's here because of a bad consequence. Kris opened a dark fountain, despite Ralsei's warnings. As a result, this smile comes into play to tell us things are about to go south. I think this preludes a Cheshire smile for the character this is supposed to foreshadow, especially considering their entire smile will be a reminder of Kris' actions in opening that fountain to begin with. If it's Mike's smile? We'll probably see it everywhere.

Notes

One thing I didn't mention is something I said at the very beggining. The cheshire cat's smile is prelude to danger and a bad message, which Jevil, Spamton NEO and the TV's smile all represent.

Similar to previous examples, Ralsei, Susie and Lancer are no cheshire. They're not a consequence, and Ralsei's smiles are of utter kindness, Susie's are usually positively mischievous or just genuine, and Lancer. . .is Lancer.

Important to note here that Mike essentially humiliated Spamton, which feeds even more in my theory of Mike's smile being cheshire-esque.

There you have it. My entire theory on the hidden types of smile through both games. I believe this will probably amount to something in the end of Deltarune if my theory prooves true, and if it does, then the ending of Deltarune might really change as a consequence of finding all of those secret bosses. But that's a theory for later.

Thanks for reading, I'd love your input in this and PLEASE take care of yourself, 'cause someone really cares about you :)

[illiellialli]

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hello tumblr!! (evil intent)

i am ellie/artemis/sam/will/brett (call me whichever) - any pronouns ✅ - girlboy boygirl monstrosity - 16 (17 very soon.. evil) - america - i speak english and pretty okay spanish (no sabo kid..) - capricorn, intp (i dont believe in any of this crap but it's fun to put) DNI criteria: - racist, homophobic/transphobic, sexist, zoo, pdfiles, sympathizers to any of these groups - stupid and annoying people. - people who are allergic to joy and whimsy 😡😡 - other than that idgaf i'm chill with you if you're chill with me as you are about to see, i fucking love consuming media. haha watch me make a long list of my hypie interests nobody is actually reading through below (im probably missing a lot of stuff too there's just so much stuff i like 😭😭)

interests: - music: depeche mode, the cure, chappell roan, mitski, doja cat, crystal castles, childish gambino, the last dinner party, boy harsher, big thief, millionaires, femtanyl, she wants revenge, tyler the creator, new order, glass animals, gorillaz, siouxsie and the banshees, sisters of mercy, type o negative, nirvana, hole, nine inch nails, cannons, ethel cain, lady gaga, tlc, the smashing pumpkins - tv shows: hannibal, supernatural, interview with the vampire, what we do in the shadows, the walking dead, friends, the office, house md, the vampire diaries, lost, yellow jackets, criminal minds, stranger things, outer banks, breaking bad, daredevil, dexter, good omens, fleabag, midnight mass, izombie, true detective, alice in borderlands - cartoons/anime: arcane, madoka magica, attack on titan, arcane, tmnt, lego ninjago, inside job, the simpsons, gravity falls, disenchantment, the owl house, kipo and the wonderbeasts, she-ra, voltron, villainous, scooby doo, xmen 97, adventure time, smiling friends, tawog, winx, over the garden wall, scott pilgrim, naruto, the hollow, atla, the dragon prince, nana, neon genesis evangelion, death note, chainsaw man, inuyasha, cowboy bebop, mlp, bleach, beastars, trigun, rwby, bna, dungeon meshi, soul eater, cyberpunk edgerunners, ergo proxy, ghost in the shell, saiki k, assassination classroom, hellsing, devilman crybaby, black butler, fullmetal alchemist, sweet tooth - movies: silence of the lambs, spiderverse, fight club, breakfast club, inception, 500 days of summer, mysterious skin, brokeback mountain, ladybird, 10 things i hate about you, nope, literally anything studio ghibli, everything everywhere all at once, suzume, perfect blue, xmen, deadpool (and wolverine), mad max, requiem for a dream, good will hunting, pulp fiction, kill bill, fantastic mr fox, isle of dogs, mean girls, clueless, the matrix, blade runner, dead poets society, edward scissorhands, corpse bride, donnie darko, heathers, lisa frankenstein, saw, reanimator, zootopia, bad guys, turning red - games: roblox, minecraft, splatoon, the witcher, red dead redemption, mouthwashing, life is strange, until dawn, days gone, the last of us, those stupid lego games, borderlands, elden ring, god of war, still wakes the deep, resident evil, silent hill, destiny, twd telltale, bloodborne, amnesia, fear and hunger, disco elysium, stanley parable, yume nikke, omori, genshin, honkai star rail, call of duty, stray, portal, little nightmares, baldur's gate, fallout, half life, halo, doom, death stranding, persona, fnaf, skyrim, lollipop chainsaw, cry of fear, final fantasy, project sekai, muse dash, detroit: become human, ddlc, undertale/deltarune, ultrakill, batim - literature: harry potter, THE RAVEN CYCLE/THE DREAMER TRILOGY, the outsiders, catcher in the rye, murder your employer, the iliad, the odyssey, the hunger games, the unwind dystology, the secret history, pride and prejudice, romeo and juliet, the tragedy of julius caesar, the great gatsby, percy jackson, interview with the vampire - other random things: homestuck (yikes), schoolbus graveyard, reality tv, documentaries, mythology (specifically greek, roman, and slavic), religion, cults, true crime (I'M NOT ONE OF *THOSE* FREAKS I PROMISE), american history (specifically early colonization, civil war & reconstruction, wwII), art history, furries (not a furry but i fw them heavy), therians (not a therian but i fw them heavy), shifters (cool af), biology, anatomy, medical, psychology, criminology, architecture, sewing, alternative subcultures (specifically goth), baking, youtube, animation memes, animatics, pinterest, writing, art :3 as you can see. i basically like everything except musicals and math

I LOVE WRITING!! I LOVE DRAWING!! I LOVE LORE!! I LOVE WORLDBUILDING!! I LOVE CREATING!! - I will definitely be posting a lot of my writing projects, art, and ocs! some projects I will be posting about :3 (nobody is even gonna know what half of ts means LMFAOO) (all of these stories are really corny) enjoy my confusing synopsisesisies Bite the Hand That Feeds You: Follows a ragtag crew of bounty hunters as they navigate Somniare's unforgiving lands. The crew's leader, Damian, begins to question his identity and experience strange symptoms after a high-stakes mission brings them to a Dead Zone. Things begin to shift as the presence of animalum increases, the Rot spreads, and war overtakes hybrid West Somniare. LOST: A liminal space hotel horror about a girl who runs away after being framed for a murder she did not commit. After walking along the side of a deserted highway for hours on end, she comes across a bright hotel. With nowhere to go, she enters and quickly realizes something is off as the smiley-masked staff attend to her. Inner Circle: “Angel” is the son of two high ranking members of a Scientology-esque cult. He attends an over-glorified rich kid private school sponsored by this “Church” and he’s fairly popular. An all around pleasure-to-have-in-class, student-council-president, academic weapon. He is closest with his friends, Heloise and Samson. But they bring disgrace, and now there is blood on Angel’s hands. Found dead in his dorm bathroom, he ends up in Purgatory where he meets a demon boy who is not what he seems.  and a lot, lot, lot, lot, lot, LOT more stories, ideas, and ocs I have lmfaoo! you can really tell i read too many ya novels and watched too much tv and had too much time to think as a kid

ANYWAYS!! Please feel free to interact as we probably have something in common!! I will likely just be posting stuff about my own projects and stuff about my interests!!

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[kaibutsushidousha]

Do you think there has been any notable change in quality from Case Files to Adventures? (Positive or Negative)

It's difficult to compare because Case Files tries to start episodic while Adventures is one long-term plotline from the start. In a way, Adventures works better as a mystery because the seeds are planted since volume 1, while Case Files makes you work only with the contents of each arc even after Heartless is established.

Even then, Sanda's mystery quality is still inconsistent. Latio got a lot of screentime in volume one, but none of it touched what would later become the core of her character, aside from her feeling bothered by Tangere calling her "Miss", which is not really a fair hint that Sans Undertale is a copy of her brother. Volume 1 does treat her ancestor as the real Crudelis villain, which proves true, but the setup required for this twist leaves both characters devoid of meaningful characterization.

But then right next to it, we have Ziz, whose old hints click so neatly. Ergo is described since volume 1 as a product of Crudelis's obsession, Wuzhiqi's curiosity, and Ziz's hatred. But Ziz's action don't feel hateful when we see him. He does a theatrical dance to make Waver oppose the other two masterminds, he appears totally plastered and gambles with Akane for Typhon-analogue's vessel, he throws riddles at Waver and invites him to play the Casa, he has sex with random women in Monaco to make a family to secure his land. At every point, the supposed hatred-driven Ziz appears as someone who accomplishes his goals through pragmatic means made to superficially appear fun-loving. That, in itself, fells pragmatic in the way makes Ziz's personality recognizable to Van-Fem, maybe. I genuinely believe Ziz's outward laxness and gambler spirit are him emulating the man he genuinely was before the end of the Age of Gods made him hate the world.

The way this look back at Ziz's character makes him more consistent and interesting is something you can't really do much with the characters resolved by Case Files, except maybe the Adashino siblings, which are not characters I care much about (although I'd probably feel a lot more positive about Heartless and Faker rereading Grand Roll now that I'm resigned to the fact Sanda will never keep Iskandar away from plot instead of heatedly rejecting it like the first time).

[lynxgriffin]

(Feel free to ignore me, I just needed to get this out of my system but didn't want to do a post)

One difference between undertale and deltarune I like is the significance of the player

In Undertale it only really SUGGESTS that you are the true villain (While it does SORT OF confirm it, it never directly states it)

Deltarune confirms that YOU messed up Noelle

At the end of Snowgrave when you try to call for Noelle it changes from "Kris called for Noelle" to "You called for Noelle"

"Kris is the only one who knows how weird I am. Everyone knows how weird YOU are." (scene not in snowgrave but still important)

"I can still hear their voice"

And then there's, y'know... Kris ripping out the soul

I don't know that Undertale is merely suggesting something about the player's responsibility...Sans, Flowey and Chara all seem to be addressing the player directly at various points. Sans with his "because you can, you have to" speech during his fight, Flowey talking to the player once you finish a pacifist run, and then of course Chara addresses you directly at the end of geno. Even Undyne kind of hints that there's something else that's not human behind Frisk's doings in her boss fight in geno.

That said, it is very clear even this early on that the player is diagetic to the world of Deltarune, and a number of the game's themes and even some character development hinge on that fact!