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I can finally make polls!
#I was super tempted to add one that was the entire season 8 finale#but I knew it’d win so I chose the worst parts#honorable mention for the Balmera deus ex machina#it was so painfully bad but it doesn’t even compare to the other shit there + I don’t think people even remember it#voltron#polls#Voltron poll#fandom polls#Voltron salt#voltron season 8#Voltron season 7#Voltron season 6#VLD#vld season 7#vld season 6#VLD season 8
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Voltron Season 8 Salt #2
#voltron#vld#sheith#takashi shirogane#keith kogane#vlds8#salt#seli draws#might as well drop my salt here too lmao
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worst trope is found family separating as soon as the antagonist is dealt with.
#yes this is about voltron and it's also about guardians of the galaxy#what james gunn did to gamora in GOTG3 is criminal#i understand why they did it but to end with her GOING BACK TO THE RAVAGERS?#fail end.#seriously#and it doesnt even make sense bc ofc the high evolutionary isnt going to be the last problem they would deal with#in just a few years they encountered 5 people trying to destroy the universe and who were incredibly difficult foes#youre finna tell me there will never be a situation like that for the rest of their lives?#gtfo#and mantis' end was dumb too not even sorry#i can tolerate drax and nebula's ends.#but everyone else?#stupid#even peter's ending was fucking moronic. bro can pop in on the weekends he doesnt need to be a live in nurse for his grandpa#it's just such a major letdown and sucks everytime a director/author decides to split up the found family permanently#at least with voltron you can rationalize it by saying 'oh they never really wouldve hung out with eachother if they werent forced to for#voltron and werent forced to fight a war together.' and i can see it bc none of them DO hang out together before voltron#they barely even hang out AFTER they become voltron#keith and shiro hang out bc of the adoption/fostering/mentoring thing. lance and hunk MIGHT hang out bc they were already teammates#it's important to note that we never really see hunk and lance being bffs. theyre just friendly to eachother.#this becomes even more apparent once hunk and pidge actually become friends. it's very obvious hunk was just being friendly to lance.#just friendly.#(take this with a grain of salt bc ive only watched the whole series one time. i refuse to acknowledge anything after se 2.)#so yeah it does make more sense theyd all go their own ways but not even the small friend groups stay together at the end!#pidge and hunk are in completely different galaxies from eachother. same with keith and shiro#lance is isolated from all of them bc post se 3 writing team genuinely hated him and failed him as a character.#but GOTG3? they CHOSE to band together time and time again. they CHOSE to be a team. they CHOSE to be family#for every single one of them to say 'nah fuck that i want to be on my own bc uhhh reasons!' is a lame ending.#period.#gotg3
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you can tell voltron is having something of a renaissance because allura's tag is full of klance posts that have nothing to do with her and complaints that her canonical relationship with lance, which was built up over 6 of the show's 8 seasons, was "rushed"
#it's 2018 all over again#also i can personally argue that her relationship with lance was built up over all 8 seasons of the show#because the contrast between s1-2 and the later seasons is necessary to get the arc#but even just going from the start of their mutual expressions of trust and respect in s3 that's well over half the show you dipshits#allura#voltron#allurance#remember me before i was a heap of salt
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Occasionally, rarely, I remember that Allura is dead in canon (derogatory). And then I’m filled with such repulsion and disgust that I immediately nope back to my headcanon and denial for the next 6-9 months.
#voltron: legendary salt mine#never watched season 8 and never intend to#in my head Allura is too lovable to be killed#and in my head I’m always right
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Well, I know one's gonna do it wayyyyy better than the other. Though there's gonna be more blood
#*some remaining VLD salt*#*also salt about wasting animation assets like amazing character designs*#galra#viltrumites#vld#voltron#invincible#invincible amazon#is Jeffrey Dean Morgan gonna play Conquest or Thragg?????
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#did not add voltron because we all know it would win by a landslide#tumblr polls#tumblr#miraculous ladybug#rwby#attack on titan#tmnt 2012#atla#tfp#writing salt#salt
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“After seeing the Bible Leak from Miraculous season 5, I’m really glad I dropped the show since it’s just getting worse and has officially become the next Voltron as far how disturbing it has gotten😖 (especially with the weird moral double standards both shows seem to have).”
#ml salt#mlb salt#ml#mlb#miraculous#miraculous ladybug#miraculous tales of ladybug and chat noir#miraculous ladybug confessions#ml bible leak#ml bible spoilers#miraculous season five#miraculous s5#western magical girl confessions#confession 2102#anti voltron#voltron critical
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I was just messing with the clay and I accidentally made something that looks like a croissant ,, im gonna keep it and paint it so James has some food with him (because im like 3/4ths done with my clay James figure) ‼️ as AJ said he wants a snack ☹️ I SHOULD MAKE HIM A PRETZEL AND WATER TOO . there’s a live AJ, aka James’ and lotors VA’s, where I asked a bunch of dum James related questions. One of them being what would James’ catchphrase be and and said like “im a little jerkboy” ,, “I want a snack” and then something about wanting water for his pretzel and it’s glorious
#james isn’t a bad guy u guys are just a holes#james griffin#voltron legendary defender#vld james#clay sculpting#im gonna make the pretzel guys dw#and ofc a water cuz pretzels r seriously over salted sometimes
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Obsessed with the fact that Voltron actually did use alternate realities really well 1 time and then they just. Fuckin. Dropped the ball every time afterwards.
Like, when we first meet Slav in Escape From Beta Traz, he is literally paralyzed by a puddle of water because in some realities he never learned how to swim, and he can’t remember if he did in this reality. Like, that’s a really well done, existentially terrifying interpretation of infinite realities that would’ve worked really well with the whole terrifying monstrous creatures beyond understanding from within the rift concept, but instead they just go with the boring-ass cliche ‘alternate realities are just our world but slightly different’ approach.
Never gonna stop being disappointed by this show.
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I know for a FACT that May 3rd announcement the official voltron instagram commented about is about the movie we're supposed to get and have already gotten info of
BUT IF I HEAR ANYTHING FROM ANYONE ABOUT VLD CONTENT IM GONNA MURDER THAT SHIP HAS SAILED AND ITS NOT COMING BACK
#voltron#this isnt vld salt as much as fandom salt#they literally have seen the mistake they've made#especially dreamworks#they're leaving vld in the dust like the rest of their reboots#im excited for the movie solely because i want to see how they use the idea#toast talks
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Voltron Season 8 Salt #1 (as well as ongoing salt from the usual people)
#voltron#vlds8#salt#the cursed voltron lore where they aired s7e1 at a convention and this one white girl was like *gasp* “bro-gains”#and then *everyone* thought keith and shiro were about to kiss#like in what other show do you compare a gay guy's ex who left him to his male best friend who stayed by his side?#wild that#but anyway this was from 2020#and is#anti-klance#i was neutral about kl at first but the fans--especially the lance stans--quickly made me hate it#the other voltron lore is how shiro's leaked husband before s8 aired was roy fokker from macross#so you can tell just how much thought was put into his cardboard husband#who only existed thanks to adam stans who hated shiro and wanted him out of the picture so they could be The Gay Dads to their lil lance#anyway just letting out the yearly salt#seli draws#takashi shirogane
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I’ve had both so I’m curious
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Um, okay this is a loaded question, and if you want to play it safe, you can answer me in DMs, but...I personally feel that there's something wrong about how VLD placed Keith in the lead. In a way, I can see him becoming Black Paladin, but Shiro...it feels more natural to me, it feels right that Shiro is Black Paladin. I'm not into VLD beyond Shiro, Keith's parents, and the Lions personally, but I know someone who loves it and makes good points about Keith as a leader, but something just isn't aligning for me. Maybe it's because Shiro and Keith are two radically different archetypes, and they got swapped when they shouldn't have, I don't know.
I came here because I saw one of your post S2 rewrites, and I appreciated it. So, again, feel free to answer me in DMs (if you have problems DM-ing me, let me know and I'll fix it for you) if you don't mind discussing this with me.
As a final note, I'm not trying to hate any particular character. They're all fine on their own, and I don't want to treat one as worse than the other. I just want to figure out this problem I'm having with Shiro and Keith.
Thank you for reading this, and take care.
You came to the right blog! Because I adore Keith and believe he certainly has qualities that could make him a good leader—and absolutely hate him as the Black Paladin.
The thing I never understood about Voltron fandom debates about who should be the Black Paladin is that they always seem based in the idea that because Shiro is a leader and the Black Paladin, that means the Black Paladin is the ONLY leader on the team.
It is worth noting that that premise was disproven in episode one. It was Allura who made the final call on whether the paladins should run or stay and fight Sendak, and Shiro explicitly bowed to her authority. From then on, Shiro and Allura both lead Team Voltron until the show decided to destroy their characters, accepting influence and trading responsibilities depending on which one of them fit the situation at hand. Typically, Allura functions more in a commander and diplomat role and Shiro is more of a field officer, but they both pick up the lead where needed.
I know you didn't bring up Allura, but I think it is vital she is included in any conversation about leadership in Voltron. She is introduced as THE princess of an entire planet, she has more knowledge and experience of the intergalactic landscape than any of the other characters, she's been set up to be a leader since birth, and she IS the leader of Team Voltron for two whole seasons. Shiro makes it VERY clear he considers her to outrank him.
So the question you have to ask any time you consider replacing Shiro as Black Paladin: why NOT Allura? If the Black Paladin is the "best leader", why are you skipping over the one character already established and thriving in a leadership role? (And then you have to ask yourself if that character being a Black woman has anything do with that.)
Now I do think there are ways narratively you could answer that question. For instance, if you keep the Lions as sentient beings, that means they can make choices—including wrong ones. For instance, for a time when I believed anything might be salvaged after season 3, my head canon for Black choosing Keith was that Keith was the one missing Shiro as intensely and desperately as Black in that moment. Therefore, the choice was not about Keith being "better" but rather them being at the same place emotionally and that allowing the bond. The major problem with the Lion swap in canon is that we're given NO reason for Keith to be Black Paladin besides "plot device said so". Especially when we have Allura right there. It's just bad writing.
(By the way, you don't have to be pro-Black Paladin Allura. There's nuance to be had, and I personally am actually more One True Black Paladin!Shiro. But you can't just dismiss her--a capable and proven leader--from the conversation. Erasing her character is not the answer.)
ANYWAY. Back to Keith. Or rather, leadership on Team Voltron. Thing is, there are many different WAYS to be a leader. We already touched on the differences between Allura and Shiro. Keith does a good job of making split second decisions in battle or calling shots if Shiro is incapacitated or somehow separated. If you're in the middle of a fight, the plan has gone to shit, and the team just got separated, Keith is great at telling people what to do and mobilizing because something needs to get done NOW.
But that's not the only way to lead. Keith, for instance, is terrible at pep talks. He misses a lot of the nuances going on between him and his teammates off the battlefield. He doesn't plan ahead, like, ever. Sure he's great at making up stuff on the fly, but sometimes you need a plan.
But it's not just Keith. For instance, when Shiro, Lance, and Pidge go on the mission to rescue Slav, it's Pidge who calls all the shots. Is that not leadership? Pidge is often the one telling people what they need to do to solve technical problems. She's a center for information, typically the one collecting it, organizing and interrupting it, and then instruction others based on her conclusions. We see her take point on a mission, give orders to her teammates, coordinate efforts, problem solve in real time and relay a new plan in order to navigate unexpected challenges. Why not argue PIDGE should be the leader?
And there's when they freed the Balmera and Hunk took the lead. That mission was more challenging, but I'd argue in that arc, Hunk's leadership mattered less in terms of orders and more in terms of determining what type of team they'd be. Hunk was ADAMANT they free the Balmerans and set a tone for the team where they didn't leave suffering people behind. Hunk set up a moral imperative for the team that they'd be lesser without.
And Lance! There's actually lots to say about Lance and his strengths and types of leadership. But it's easy to point out that Lance is the one initiating fun and team bonding outside of battle. And when you're operating a giant robot held together by emotion connection, that's pretty dang important!
Point is, they're ALL leaders. They all have the capability to take point when needed. We SEE them all take charge at different points of the show.
So what's the Black Paladin then? If Shiro's The Leader then what does that mean? And this is the cool part! Because you know what Shiro is really really good? Know who else to put in charge. He's the one who first acknowledges Allura as an authority because he sees she has knowledge and experience he and the others do not. He selects which paladins to go together on which missions based on their strengths and the situations. He steps back and lets Pidge or Lance or Hunk call the shots if they're in an area of their expertise. Shiro's job isn't to tell people what to do. It's to decide who to put in charge of what and place them in best position for success.
There's another aspect of Shiro's leadership that is supporting his teammates, offering comfort, teaching, and giving the kids something solid they can believe in so they don't have to care the full weight of the war. But like letting others take charge where they shine, Shiro's leadership is all about enabling those he leads. One of my favorite Shiro lines is "It's too dangerous—I'm coming with you." Shiro's goal is never control. He is support. He leads the paladins because he sees the best in them and helps them reach it.
Narratively, also, Shiro is just set up to be the Black Paladin. The parallels between himself and the Black Lion are too obvious. From both being controlled and abused by Zarkon to Shiro's missing arm and Black's mission bayard. It's a kid's show. The symbolism isn't all that subtle. And if that weren't enough, we literally get an entire episode A plot in Space Mall about it where Shiro literally fist fights Zarkon for the Black Lion and in the end, he wins because he makes it clear it's the Black Lion's choice and trust.
Remember when I said the problem with Keith in the Black Lion in canon is that we're never given an explanation beyond "because I said so"? We're shown repeatedly why the Black Lion chooses Shiro. Even before we meet most the Lions, the other paladins themselves choose Shiro as their leader when Lance asks him if they should go through the wormhole. We repeatedly see Shiro seek to understand the Black Lion better, and Black responding. We see the similarities between their situations and backstories. We see them bond.
And I think this is really important because when Shiro is in the Black Lion, it's not about him being "in charge." It's about his relationship with the Black Lion. Yeah, of course, the other paladins are leaders! And they should be! But none of them have Shiro's relationship with the Black Lion. In this narrative, the Black Lion isn't a prize to be won but a relationship to nurture, and Shiro has put in the work for that relationship.
Which is really important because it means the Lions aren't a hierarchy. The Black Paladin is one role, an important role in Voltron, but no more important than any of the others. "The Leader" is not the most important person in the room. Instead, Shiro is a facilitator who enables all the others to perform their roles better.
Also can I just remind everyone just how well the Red Lion fits Keith? The paladin who keeps throwing himself out airlocks get the Lion most likely to go AWOL and fly off to save him. Keith defends his friends and team by attacking first and asking questions later, and Red started destroying a planetary body to get to Keith. The kid with abandonment issues gets the Lion who doesn't hesitate a second to go after him. And even the way they're shown to bond—that it's so physical and based in action rather than words—it's so Keith. I freaking love Keith as the Red Paladin. He gets to be as chaotic and free as he was always meant to be and gets a Lion who meets him every step of the way.
But if you say, no, Keith should be the Black Paladin. Well. What about Red wasn't working? Why was that role not one Keith fit in? Because from my reading of canon, Keith was thriving in Red. He got a secure attachment to his favorite person in the world, he gets the freedom to fly while also being part of something bigger, and he's making friends. It's still in its beginning stages, but he's figuring out how to bond with Lance, Hunk, and Pidge and you get the sense these are a kind of friendships he's never experienced before. But you know what could kill that really fast? Making him The Leader, a position that inherently sets him apart from the rest.
This is actually a problem twice over for Keith because unlike Shiro, who is shown to be given his role voluntarily by everyone around him and repeatedly shows he's earned that trust and respect, Keith is basically thrown into the Plot Device Machine and gets a t-shirt that says YOU'RE THE LEADER NOW. And we never get a reason beyond that.
This is actually my biggest problem season 3 and the Lion Swap. Because as soon as they made that choice, the Lions became a hierarchy. But what other explanation do we have? Keith won Favorite Character status got "prompted" to Black Paladin. But as soon as Black Paladin is a promotion, that makes the other paladin roles inferior. Red becomes the "second in command". So Lance get prompted but can never be equal to Keith. Allura gets the "Training Wheels" Lion/Blue, and they didn't have to write that as a massive demotion, but they sure did anyway. Hunk and Pidge are no longer leaders because they aren't in the "Leader" Lions.
It makes me so mad. One of the things I loved first about Voltron was the message of equality and servant leadership. The idea that a leader (represented by Shiro) is someone who elevates and enables everyone else. A recognition for the more "feminine" types of leadership—nurturing, compassion, emotional support. Which support roles are seen as vital and just as if not more important than being the "boss."
But we only got two seasons of that before they pulled the rug out and said, "Nope. We're returning back to patriarchy." Suddenly the Lions were in a strict chain of command, one character was the boss and the rest were his subordinates. There was a top position and a bottom position, and the characters were all fighting over each other. Perhaps most damningly, the Lion lost all personality and agency and become trophies to symbolize a character's power. And I'm not saying they're an accidental representation of how women are treated in Western media but I MEAN. It's right there.
My response when anyone says "[X] character should be the Black Paladin!" is—Why? Is their connection with the Black Lion deeper than Shiro's? Do they have more in common with Black than Shiro does? What could they achieve or obtain as the Black Paladin that they couldn't where they currently are?
And, though I don't think most of us realize it, the answer to that last one is power. Because we're soaked in patriarchy and a certain portrayal of "leadership (derogatory)" that many fans automatically assumed the Black Paladin HAD to be in control of and have power over the other paladins. So of course you want your favorite character to be the Black Paladin! You don't want your self-insert to be inferior!
But that's all the patriarchy talking. The other paladins are NOT inferior. There is NOT a hierarchy of types of people. Keith doesn't have to have Shiro's role because he's already equal as Keith.
Keiths look different from Shiros, but they're all equal and valuable as they are. Same goes for Lances, Hunks, Pidges, and Alluras. The whole point is they're stronger together. Their differences make them BETTER.
So yeah. Of course, Keith has some good leadership qualities. There's plenty of situations where it only makes sense for him to take the lead. But why on earth does he need to be the Black Paladin to do that? He's already Keith!
#voltron: the legendary salt mine#thanks for the ask!#oh gosh this got so long#would you believe this is the SHORT version?#I have a LOT of feelings about leadership and patriarchy and how it shows up in voltron#i didn't even get to go into hunk and lance's roles#and how they deserve so much more respect and appreciation than they receive#hunk especially#if you're somehow not sick of me and want to chat more feel free to dm#or hit my inbox and i'll answer with another monster probably#mckinlily writes#long post#could i use a read more? yes#will i? unfortunately for everyone no
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This was a response to one of those “what ships do you hate” questions that I don’t give direct traffic to because there’s enough negativity to go around. But I had to laugh that this person hates both Sheith (a ship that is the quintessential friends-to-lovers trope between a pair of characters that show profound loyalty to and trust in one another) AND Ron with Hermione, which is definitely a sibling-like bicker-ship if there ever was one, in my opinion. And I’m just like, if you hate both of these, what’s your ship taste? If you hate Sheith and Allurance, then that points to you being a fan of Keith and Lance. Do you actually think Keith and Lance work as a couple when they’re just like Ron and Hermione in taking ages to even start to respect one another, much less work together on a team?
No offense is intended to my VLD folks who do like Ron and Hermione, but as they are written in canon, I cannot see the appeal at all. Harry and Hermione make much more sense to me.
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Oh, I need to remember this the next time klantis on Twitter try tossing Krolia's line at us over and over like it somehow proves something. It's obvious that Krolia means that Shiro was there to help Keith and give him a solid example to follow. Shiro did not "raise" Keith anymore than Krolia did - she was only there for about a year at the beginning and Shiro was there for at most five of Keith's teenage years.
(Reminds me that I still need to make myself watch "The Grudge" from S8 again and see if the Spanish dub still refers to Ezor as dead instead of gone like it did back in 2018. Because it's harder to edit voice lines compared to subs.)
I’m tired of the totes desperate brogane/dadgane rhetoric going around about this season. So here’s the french version of the “raising him” scene, just in case anyone needed further clarification that Krolia wasn’t saying “thanks for adopting my son”.
In dialogue she says, “He’s the man he is today because of you.” The captions offer a slightly less profound, “Thanks for making him the man he is today”.
And if anyone had any doubts that Shiro was speaking to Keith and Keith alone during this scene, since “you” can be singular or plural in English, in French it’s definitely singular. (He says “you brought me back”, subs say “you found me”).
and for what it’s worth…
Shiro stammers in this scene in English, Japanese, Spanish, and German
And singles Keith’s name out with a smile in every language.
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