#Tss crit

[the-astrophel-system]

disclaimer that i have no access to the writers room on patreon.

but i hate hate hate that it feels like thomas lost one of his best writers (joan) and then decided to make up for it, by making the fandom write the script. we see it with the incorrect quotes, we see it with the 5 year special, we saw it with the lastest christmas asides, i know there are other examples too. and im sure we'll see it in the finale.

thomas has tried so hard to pander to what he thinks the audience wants, those fans who want their perfect little ideas to be canon. they've both ruined the series. i used to like the little cute moments that you could run with and make a ship from (e.g, first you take her by the hand (even tho i hated that one at the time, i gotta say its so funny now), elementary my dear daddy, the entire virgil and logan debate, etc etc). but now it is so goddamn obvious who the "canon" ships are. its exhausting.

this series would've been so much better if thomas had the confidence to write a story without feeling the need to cater everything to the audience. we loved the original videos where it was fun and lovely and tackled some hard conversations. not turning the sides into one dimensional innocent babies who make a mockery of the original videos. yes the conversations are going to be mature as the audience grows up, but you're still acting like "oh im logan and i like jam", "oh im janus and i like wine", and "oh im patton and im so innocent" is fucking funny. its not. (even though svs redux didn't necessarily have these examples, i still heavily disliked the episode because of how it played out).

i feel like too many ideas and wants have been pushed in thomas' face, and i dont blame him. if everyone was shouting at me that my original characters have to end up together, or they must fit these tight little boxes, id get overwhelmed and want to give up. obviously thomas doesn't want to do that (even though he pretty much has at this point) so instead hes dragging things out and effectively making everyone else write the episodes for him.

just some thoughts.

[softestvirgil]

Every so often I log in to find out what crazy stuff has been going on around here and oh boy. Thomas is once again in another controversy over how he treats artists he works with. Can’t say I’m shocked but will the guy ever learn?

TLDR: He underpaid Brei Grace for her work on Roleslaying With Roman and then laid her off, only for her not to want to return due to how she was treated.

[moldy-lemons]

sigh. can’t believe i ever liked this man, honestly.

[takealookatmycrabclaw]

The first part is not something that would offend me personally, like if someone is online and im talking to them, i don't expect them to sit around and wait for a response, especially when it's something you're posting. So it makes sense that they scrolled on tumblr a bit and found something funny. That was 100% nitpicking.

My point was that they answered to the best of their ability. And what they said was "I'm not educated enough to speak on this." (basic reading between the lines challenge)

What they said was "I don't know specifically what was wrong with the pixel animations, so I'm not going to speak on it, so I will say that there's not going to be any of that specific thing for the people who are sensitive to that." Since they didn't know what specifically was troubling with the pixel animations and didn't make an assumption or something, they just said that there won't be anytime soon so the people who are, won't be scared to watch it. It's a pretty normal response tbh. And that whole "imagone if it was a common trigger thing" only made it sound more normal tbh. And comparing a knife trigger to flashing lights is insane and if anything more ableist than what Joan did. One is life threatening and the other is not. Bffr.

Which is basically the reason why there was no proper apology or explanation bc (This can't be reiterated enough) THEY WERE NOT QUALIFIED TO SPEAK ON IT. THEY WERENT GONNA SPEAK ON SOMETHING THAT THEY DIDNT KNOW ABOUT!!!!

And the whole thing with "this is what joan SHOULD HAVE SAID" is literally the same thing they said. The only thing you added was "ill do research" and "well properly tag it". Like yeah adding those 2 things would've been beneficial but speculating on whether or not Joan is ableist bc they didnt add 2 sentences is so chronically online.

As for Joan being apart of the channel as much as Thomas was, is somewhat true but I'm gonna disagree with you on this because they were not running the channel, Thomas was. Idk i dont really care about this part. The most they could've done was talk to Thomas, which is why this should've been brought up with Thomas. But I understand why going to Joan is better bc Thomas ignores any critisim he gets anyways and it would definitely not be addressed.

Wait whatd joan do

i don't have direct proof of it anymore (since they deleted their blog and i didn't save screenshots, but I can ask my friends if they still have them), but when people brought up the very real and important issue about there being flashing and other photo sensitive things in SvS Part 2 and no warning (which is, yknow, a health problem, bc epilepsy and other photosensitive things exist, like migraines), they posted something very dismissive in reply and Immediately reblogged something about "let patton say fuck" to distract everyone. and it was like. instant.

i wish i had the screenshot now to look at it again but god it made me and others angry

[phantominzie]

Ranting about TSS

I would like to start by saying, yes, I am fully aware I don't post fandom rants very often (ESPECIALLY SASI). However, I've been feeling rather upset over the fandom and Thomas.

I would also like to mention that in no way is this attacking Thomas or any of his writers, hell, not even the fandom itself. I just need to let all of this out.

You're always totally free to skip over this, I know ts crit isn't everyone's cup of tea <3

To start, I am so just...tired? It's been so frustrating waiting for a finale for four fucking years and getting the bait and switch every time Thomas makes a post about 'upcoming Sanders Sides content!'

I understand taking time to work on something so important to cannon, but four years? I can also give him a little leeway for having some staff issues, but it's almost painful to only keep getting the series we love get downgraded so harshly over the years.

Almost all of the sides have been made so two dimensional. At first they felt so fleshed out, so real, and fandom focused their character on one sole trait (not unforgivable but a bit frustrating). Then, I guess Thomas just picked up on fandom and decided 'yeah! I'll just make them two dimensional too!' That's not what we want. And frankly that's never what we wanted. Occasionally, he'll give us breadcrumbs of character development, or show us a sliver of light to what they once were, but it's never the same.

And frankly, I feel bad for having my hopes so high for the finale. Sure it's been taking four years, but that doesn't mean it will be perfect, hell, it might suck. Of course, I will watch it, but I won't be happy about it. About the lies, about the bait and switch, about the constant merch plugs over actual content, about the four incorrect quotes over working on the finale, about the prioritizing of under five minutes long videos that no one will watch anyways.

I love that Thomas is working on things that make him happy, and I don't think I'll ever stop being happy about that, but he needs to take into heart that without content, merch won't sell anyways.

He made a tweet recently that said that we would be getting the finale in an uncertain number of weeks, but based on the past four years I don't even think it will come out at all. If it does, I swear that if we get a merch plug in the finale I'm going to lose my shit.

I want him to see that fandom can't carry itself, and that if he doesn't have that finale have the actually well done makeup we've been begging for, or have our three dimensional characters back, then he won't have a fandom at all.

I'm almost angry that this is my special interest at this point, I'm so let down by the direction the series is probably headed.

I hope that no one takes this the wrong way, and if people leave death threats in my inbox (which has happened to people posting ts crit; no i'm not joking) then trust that you won't be answered. No one is to tag Thomas on this post, and if Thomas even finds this post then heed the words I've said. This isn't a threat to you, and frankly it never was. What is it is the frustrations of a tired and exasperated fan.

I'm sorry if this has rubbed anyone the wrong way, I apologize if it has. I hope this doesn't make people think I'm becoming some TSS hater, I'm really not. But I'm frustrated, and that's normal

Thank you for reading this all the way through if your here, I love you <3

[prodigal-explorer]

i'm usually not too big on criticizing thomas or sanders sides but i just have to get this off my chest

i HATE how thomas endorses and supports the infantilization of patton. he makes fan-service jokes that woobify patton and go completely against things that have been pre-established in the series just because he knows that fans love to talk about how patton is "their uwu babey boi who can do no wrong".

i feel like thomas can see how much the fandom loves it, so he does it, but it's just so dumb because in a way, infantilizing patton is infantilizing a part of him so therefore it sort of feels like infantilizing himself.

maybe i'm being a little much. it's his series and he can do what he wants! but i don't think it's very good to actively support something that is actually a massive misconception just for the sake of getting more likes and laughs.

this is based off of something @sanderssideswriting that got me thinking so thanks bro for fueling my rant LMAO /g

[ts-critsfander]

Thomas' Patreon

I'm only gonna talk about my brief experience. I know others went through worse but I wanna let everyone know even as recent as a couple months ago Thomas screwed over fans.

I subbed to the Patreon for 3 months to the $50 tier because I wanted the sticker and mug, before I heard about the bs Thomas did. I received them but what I didn't receive was the personalized thank you video.

I checked multiple times that it was only 3 months. I checked my billing to confirm I paid 3 months in a row and I unfortunately did. I checked my messages, I checked my email and there was nothing. Even before I hated Thomas I didn't care about the video but I PAID $150. A SIMPLE VIDEO WOULD'VE BEEN COOL.

ESPECIALLY SINCE THERE WAS LIKE NO NEW CONTENT. THERE WEREN'T PHOTOS, NO UPDATES ABOUT PRODUCTION, THERE WAS NOTHING UP UNTIL THE YOUNGER SIDES BUT WHO CARES WHEN WE DON'T KNOW WHEN THE ACTUAL EPISODE WILL RELEASE.

[let-roman-bite-someone]

i have aired my frustrations about people complaining about janus’s recent characterization but i have to agree that his current makeup is a HUGE downgrade. i’m so sorry but that black line looks so weird and awkward, i keep getting distracted by it 😭 it used to look something like a scar, a lot more subtle and natural but now it looks like it was drawn on with a sharpie.

[takealookatmycrabclaw]

Ok let's go back to talking about ACTUAL problems in the tss fandom...

Let's talk about him not paying Brei her royalties, the madlibs situation and how that was never properly address or taken care of, him making chappel roan's situation about him, and other shit i probably can't think of right now lol. I think we've lost the plot a little bit and need to refocus.

[sunshine-embry]

im genuinely excited for when the rest of the Thomas Sanders fans realize he actually CAN do wrong

[accidentalcriticalfander]

I feel like the views on his short videos are also dropping. Why has he been plugging his shorts like this if not?

[the-astrophel-system]

i have received one like so far. so i will post thomas sanders crit.

firstly, i agree with literally everyone on this site.

janus' 'new' makeup is absolute shit and while i love quill, id be so embarrassed if i was them. i understand the nuances of makeup, but i have no idea how you can switch it up THAT differently and feel confident in posting it.

i personally think the makeup is bad and has effectively ruined the suave personality janus had. dont even get me started on how he is just a wine aunt now, but i cannot take that makeup seriously, no matter how he acts.

[softestvirgil]

I really miss being into Sanders Sides. I miss the characters so much. I can’t even watch old episodes without feeling bad about it because I don’t enjoy them how I used to, and it’s like the show’s lost it’s magic for me. I can’t even see the sides as separate from Thomas anymore and I literally used to be one of the people who talked on here about how easy it was to suspend my disbelief and forget that they were all him. Not to mention that in new videos they are all so out of character that it’s as if they’re Walmart versions of their former selves. It’s sad.

[moldy-lemons]

i just screamed so loud i broke the fucking sound barrier. THERE IS NO DEMAND FOR THIS. THERE IS NONE. You know what there is demand for? The fucking FINALE.

[fossilizedhysterics]

killing biting maiming scratching

[prodigal-explorer]

i was honestly surprised by thomas' placements of the sides in the inside out video

not exactly unpleasantly surprised but there was an opportunity missed and that was:

making patton joy.

i get that thomas probably felt like he had to make roman joy because roman doesn't really fit well anywhere else but patton and joy have so many parallels. toxic positivity, overly controlling mindset, things that roman just doesn't really have? i feel like joy doesn't fit roman at all, and if he was to have an inside out character, it would probably be either disgust or anger, though i would not trade logan and janus' placements for anything LMAO

idk it's just unfortunate because i think patton as joy makes way way way more sense than roman as joy and i would rather have roman be somewhere he doesn't quite fit (which- he does not fit joy at all anyway?) than to miss the opportunity for that parallel between patton and joy.