#Tron theory

[fights4users]

I believed in the users once before | A system in disbelief

It’s so fascinating looking at legacy because basically in all of Flynn’s actions he has created the perfect situation to justify hatred and disbelief in the users.

Flynn did all the heavy work for Clu. There is no need to propagandize and lie when , in your view God has indeed abandoned you. He had taken a Polytheistic society that used to have more more individualized deities and inadvertently turned it Monotheistic. Between him constantly leaving and then going into hiding- to this society he truly has abandoned them. They have no other User input, requests, commands - he is it and he has left them.

As cycles go on belief wanes, this is a system that used to have direct and constant interactions with users and what they’re capable of and hasn’t in generations. Memory wanes, anger stews, distrust grows. And who comes in to pick up the pieces? Clu. He’s not making a single thing up, unlike most dictators he fully believes everything he spews and from a point of view… he’s right. (Again that’s terrifying).

Where the MCP had to forcefully capture and eliminate programs who still believed in the users (that he hadn’t assimilated or drained). Clu doesn’t. Belief was nearly stamped out organically!! In the grid it has truly become a cultish set of unwavering belief— unlike in Encom where it was a organic part of life stamped out by force. This is more “choosing to leave religion” if it’s comparative?

Those who fight in the games are strays- not regular programs but those broken or lost that are out just… wandering. Those are the ones that get tossed into the arena or rectified (from what we see in the movie) it’s not like the MCP. Clu doesn’t have to work so hard to get rid of belief because I cannot state enough, Flynn did all the heavy work himself.

In this grid the games are a purpose, horrific but using the infrastructure left behind by Flynn. Strays get the games — survival. Regular programs have something to do — watch.

There’s no mindcontrol in the crowd- their user hate and games enjoyment is a necessity if they want a society at all. If it is to believed— as Flynn himself stated Clu can’t create, he can repurpose. He’s the overseer! Not the creator. He’s doing what he can with what he has… he built Rome, which is not good (as sympathetic as I am towards Clu there’s like 12 other things you could’ve done before building Rome)

No one is a better example of Lost faith than Castor.

He’s fought for Flynn and his beloved ISOs , he was one of the best so much so he’s still sought after. He’s changed. “I believed but what did that do for me?” What did it get him but heartache and so many dead companions and at the end of it , after all this fighting Flynn disappears! His fall into self preservation and sour attitude towards users is completely understandable.

It’s sad that this has happened as the original film and novelization describe belief in the users as this intrinsic and natural thing all programs know to be true. And to have a situation where so many willingly abandon belief because there is no communication (‘user requests are what computers are for’) or purpose. That it had been made so easy for clu to turn that sorrow into a burning hatred. It is sad that this thing they all desire the most has basically been made into a cult sect who can’t let go of something that used to be so basic. Above all it’s just so fascinating that this all happened naturally supposed to by a regime, all Clu had to do was step up and acknowledge it.

In conclusion:

Now I��m not saying Flynn did any of this on purpose, he didn’t want to abandon anything, he didn’t want to create a system with no purpose. He was a excited young man who wanted to recreate something cool and was given the powers of a god. He didn’t know the impact even the smallest action could cause. He did not have bad intentions but oh boy did he fuck up.

I hope this makes even a lick of sense, I just have so many thoughts 😭

[mayertis-not-a-user]

What if ISOs are actually some form of incarnated program ghosts like water spirits in human world?

They could be a form of life assembled of many drowned programs and don't remember their past. This one also could explain their different code structure.

[dumpy-dump]

In terms of what is likely given Nintendo's track record w/ Splatoon:

❌️ Great Turf War Prequel, old man yaoi, squids in imperial Japan, actually elaborating on the Octarians more

✅️ 80s fashion revival, or perhaps something a lil more Y2k, squid kids gentrifying historic cities after Grand Fest like w/ Splatsville after Chaos v Order, everything being mostly the same as the previous games just w/ more retro clothes and music

(and im still down for it honestly but like, temper your expectations, be realistic)

[exxiion]

Okay so, proposed TRON Legacy headcanon time:

The disks were never meant to be permanent.

They are, in essence, debug tools to quickly access and tinker with programs' code.

It would never make sense for a functioning society of living individuals to have an object as essential to one's existence be as easily snatchable as they're presented in Legacy and Uprising. It's absurd. But it would make sense from a programmer's point of view, as this whole society is still work-in-progress, not yet ready for its main purpose as a retreat into the digital realm for living human beings.

When you think of the system in Legacy as a digital construction zone, one in which there's one central central programmer who designs and shapes literally everything around him, having every program's code as easily accessible and editable as they are suddenly makes a lot more sense.

In this digital realm, these programs need to be debugged, edited, pruned to perfection at a moment's notice. We see this very thing in action in Legacy when Flynn uses Quorra's disk to quickly isolate and repair her corrupted code on the light sailer.

So that's my proposal. In the 1982 movie, the disks were a symbol of slavery under a tyrannical MCP, forced upon each captured program much the way shackles and a weapon would be forced upon a gladiator. In Legacy, they're the symbol of a powerful but stubborn creator, who's fingerprints are found in the code of each and every program in the grid.

It shows Flynn's brilliant yet shortsighted nature that when he looked upon the disks of the original grid, he didn't see them for their use as shackles, tools of surveillance and slavery, but for their use as diagnostic tools used to touch the soul of each and every program in his grand new utopia.

[starry-saturn-nights]

You think there were like, buzzfeed unsolvedesque conspiracy videos online on Flynn’s disappearance? And like, maybe a few of the more “outlandish” ones were actually like, the closest to what actually happened to him?

[artmunstudios]

Random TRON thought but…

Man. Isn’t it fucked up that The Grid was on that really old computer running for all that time. Imagine if Sam didn’t come. What do you think would have happened? Dust and other shit just rots that computer away in the slowest death. And then one day it just. Dies. The Grid is just suddenly gone in a blip.

Isn’t that fucked up

[coupleofdays]

One interesting detail I noticed on my most recent re-viewing of Tron is that during the scene where Flynn is transported into the computer, you can briefly see that the world he arrives on seems to be sphere-shaped, like a planet. I had previously imagined that the whole digital world was just one flat plane that stretched off into infinity, with the different computer systems being locations in this landscape. But now I imagine that each separate system, such as the ENCOM system, is a separate "planet" in the "space" of the digital world. Come to think of it, the final panel of Tron: The Ghost in the Machine (don't worry, there's no spoilers!) seems to be going for this idea as well:

This would mean that communication between separate computer systems, such as via the internet or its predecessors, would be in the form of "space travel" in the digital universe (though interestingly enough, that's not how the internet is depicted in Tron 2.0). I wonder what the Tron equivalent of a spaceship might look like. Possibly like the Solar Sailer, but that was only used in the film to travel along set beams, across a single "planet".

[toxooz]

ever since that one ask i keep thinking abt Jakkans timeline with the whole 'Ollie's demonic genetics cause him to age super slowly and outlive everyone else' so hes like 1000 years old but only looks like he's in his mid 40s but hes also like a half cyborg at this point

[astercontrol]

it's color theory

i have made something horrible hahaha

[masschase]

Is casey also in AOM??

Yes and no!

If I ever get around to playing AOM I might heavily regret not having Casey Casey in that universe. But I've already implied that she was changed pretty drastically by the reset.

As I recall, you (the asker) weren't too keen on my theory on this, but(and I'll do a more visual representation of this some day):

Greek mythology name choice 1, mom's eyes (hazel) dad's hair (dark blonde), parents didn't take a potential move to Paris, parents didn't invest in some (as it turned out very good) stocks they wanted to -> Cassandra Clark

Greek mythology name choice 2, dad's eyes but bluer (his are blue-grey), mom's hair (v. dark brown/black), parents did take a potential move to Paris, parents did invest in those stocks -> Persephone Brimstone (née Clark, presumably)

Now obviously in Casey's universe Johnny doesn't make that choice, so any situation where he did was already an AU prior to the reset. So in that universe, was she already Persephone but the leader of the Saints, or was she Casey but became Persephone when the universe reset? I personally would choose the latter.

It's not something I'd probably ever explore fully(maybe a random drawing/oneshot about Persephone having nightmares where she's eating Freckle Bitch's or something), but I do love the potential links, even not taking into account the obvious stuff like the logo and the shared team members. Persephone= the queen of the underworld, which could be both underworld as in crime or as in God literally being afraid of the Boss raising an army against heaven. It's also forbidden to speak her real name which links back to Casey's secrecy around hers.

tl;dr: Casey is Sephy. Sort of.

[fights4users]

Sleep cycle | Speculating how sleep would look in the system/grid

Who’s ready to sound really pretentious about beddy-bye?! I made a half joking post about God mandated bedtime before, but now I have a more concrete idea.

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For one thing programs aren’t like us they don’t take something like food and convert it to energy. It’s absorbed straight and directed to whatever function they need/want. There’s Energy used to run but it can also be directed and transferred. An example being, Yori uses some of the energy Tron gave her to transform the apartment and herself. There’s purpose and intent behind the way they use energy. It’s what differentiates X from Y ( Thus not every energy transfer = sex )

They get power from just about everything they do and the world around them, if everything is running properly (when we see the ENCOM system and the grid they are not running as intended). Honestly I’d say a energy cycle is like a water cycle except transferred between programs,  vehicles and their surroundings etc. (I don’t know a thing about computers this is all speculatory based on the world we see in the films,) I think the occasion where a program would need to drink energy or find a pure source would be rare, and it’s more of an extra boost. Like how the only setting outside of the cavern we see anyone drinking is the End of Line club, a bar. In both films it’s shown getting that excess/pure energy can pretty much get you similar to our idea of “being drunk”.

Anyways, what’s this have to do with sleeping? Well,

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Sleep is a self-regulatory thing, just like people it’s saving that extra energy and sort of “recharging”, honestly with programs I think it’d be fun to take that literally. For programs it’d be storing the unused energy and absorbing more from their surroundings ->charging (again it gets more fun the more literally you take this). It’d be different depending on purpose and type, some may follow the “God mandated bedtime” whenever the computer shuts off or goes to sleep while others may not sleep at all! (Like how some constantly run in the background even with your stuff turned off). Additionally like drinking power/energy I think it could sort of be recreational? Someone said it before me but programs are their job- so the occasional rest might be thrilling? I don’t know.

Ok so now we’re getting into headcanon territory as opposed to me theorizing. Beds! What, where, how- or is it like a stand up thing in a tube. Looking at Yori’s apartment and the brief glimpses of furniture and how the Novel vaguely explains- furniture is Function> looks- even after Yori’s designs come through it’s sort of “a put a nice warm electric pillow on the lounge seat”.

I’d say it’s Ancient Greek very table/sofa like beds mixed with 80s contemporary meets liminal space. I think beds being table/slab like would make sense… charging table like a phone lmao. Some are completely content “Frankensteining it” but mattress, sheet, pillows are more for fun. (Yori would probably rather de-rez than not have it decorated, can you blame her? Her styles great.) basically computer lounges,  conversation, pits etc

[mayertis-not-a-user]

Today is the Day of Naval Fleet, and it made me think about Sark's actual status

As Wikipedia says: "Commander (commonly abbreviated as Cmdr.) is a common naval officer rank as well as a job title in many armies. Commander is also used as a rank or title in other formal organizations, including several police forces. In several countries this naval rank is termed frigate captain. ... Commander is a rank used in navies, but is very rarely used as a rank in armies. In most armies, the term "commander" is used only as a job title like "platoon commander", "brigade commander" and "squadron commander".

Actually, Naval Commander (Royal Navy, US Navy) is equal to Lieutenant colonel (Army) and Captain 2nd rank (Soviet/Russian Naval Fleet).

Captain 2nd rank is the commander of a ship of the same rank: large amphibious, missile and destroyers. BUT, as you know, Sark's ship is an entire aircraft carrier. That's a 1st rank ship so Sark cannot command there as his rank would be too low for that. The ship is commanded by the 1st rank senior officer (captain 1st rank).

An aircraft carrier is a large surface ship of special purpose designed to provide air cover for the connection of ships, the landing of amphibious forces, air strikes on the connection of ships and individual enemy ships, on its coastal coastal defense, as well as for the transportation of goods and people, communication between the ships of the connection. Equipped with means to ensure the basing and functioning of aircraft. The main armament of an aircraft carrier is deck-based aircraft and helicopters (in case of the classic Grid - recognizers).

So Sark's status of a Commander might be just a job title but not the real rank.

[oudkee]

i kinda wanna draw tron and odo interacting....... im just stuck on should it be tiny tron or when hes Grown......

[artmunstudios]

Okay, 18+ TRON fans- this is TOTALLY random but I'm legit curious.

What are some NSFW/sexuality headcanons you have about programs? This can be physically or on the psychological side like what programs may find attractive, etc.

l'll list a few of my own but since it's NSFW in nature it'll be below the cut.

-100% believe that on the new system Flynn built, sexual encounters are more User-like than more almost a metaphorical and/or code exchange experience like how we have learned of in the old system based on Tron and Yori’s deleted love scene based off of the script and scene itself. For several reasons, but two in particular:

•Flynn himself doesn’t/can’t understand the old system’s sexual advances/encounters because, well—he’s a human! Its not exactly a shock.

•In Uprising especially, it seems pretty evident with the way Paige and Beck “flirted” with each other while fighting in the pilot, Mara’s physical body language in State of Mind, Lux’s behavior in seducing Beck, etc, that sexuality is a lot more physical than it was in the old system. Hell, Tron and Yori didn’t even know what kissing was until Flynn decided to lay one on Yori (okay I get he legit thought he was gonna die and she looked like Laura who was an ex he probably still had feelings for at that time but COME ON MAN REALLY??????)

(ASSAULT TW FOR THIS NEXT POINT)

-Because of last stated headcanon, I honestly don’t think Beck even realizes that Cyrus assaulted him. Do I think Cyrus knows? 100%—Absolutely he does. He’s predatory by nature and he probably knows a little more about the old system because of just talking and hanging out with Tron. Beck probably felt, and maybe still feels, gross and violated in a way he can’t really describe. He was put through torture and pain, but somehow it doesn’t feel like the same kind of emotional distress he felt when being in trouble when taking hits. It feels personal, internal, and I think that’s a big reason why Cyrus scares him. It’s not just his ability to read Beck so easily. It’s because he did something to him that has changed him forever, but he can’t figure out or understand what that was. And that probably scares Beck even more.

-Physical sex and code exchange must genuinely be a mind-bending experience, and probably a very emotional one, too.

-Because of that, I genuinely think the few programs who know/discovered that aspect of sex probably will only reserve that for long term/really close counter.

-AIGHT LETS ADD ANOTHER LAYER TO THIS—I always wondered if programs could connect their disks via a wire much like ghost in the shell. I bet it’s not exactly sexual in nature, more of a emotional thing, but the idea of programs connecting and meeting in an internal lobby and sharing memories/data is goddamn romantic. Probably can feel each other’s physical experiences too which can potentially be either overwhelming or maybe a really sweet experience

-I think it was kinda hinted at in Legacy/Uprising, but I’m willing to bet Sirens aren’t just assist programs but probably are prostitutes too. It seemed like Uprising was kinda indicating Colbolt was her pimp and not just an abusive panther but that can just be me.

-Having said that, you wonder if prostitution/brothels are legal in the Grid? I do a lot, because I think it says a lot about the Grid and Clu’s ruling more than I think people probably think.

-Okay, building on that too why not—1000% Clu visits these clubs all the time taking in who knows how many sirens back with him. I don’t think about sex headcanons usually in a “damn that’d be hot” kinda way, I think sexuality and sex culture genuinely just says a lot about society—the good and bad. I just think that Clu is so obsessed with being worshiped he can’t even be sexually pleased without having a whole ass crowd praising/worshiping him.

…FUCK IT LET’S TALK ABOUT DYSON TOO I JUST THINK HE’S INTERESTING (imo the most interesting character to dissect in Uprising but again that’s just me) this is stuff me and @stemgalhatesmath talk about ALOT

-Dyson is 100% emotionally and sexually stunted and you can’t convince me otherwise. His mind is always in work, or Clu. So you know, not a lot else on the mind when it comes to relationships, even on a surface level.

-Also fairly certain he’s gay (pretty sure that’s the consensus all around) BUUUT I think Dyson either doesn’t realize he’s gay, or is deliberately ignoring that fact because. You know. The man can barely get a grasp on his own emotions I don’t think he can get through understanding his own sexuality without help and we all know DAMN WELL Clu ain’t gonna give that shit to him.

-HOWEVER, I do think the second Dyson experiences ANY form of relationship he’s gonna cling on so damn tight you better believe that man will have no escape. Nope. None whatsoever.

-I’m just gonna say it. I think Dyson has rizz. I’m not even joking. I just think he’d be naturally good in bed (totally not because he’s afraid of failure in ANY WAY so he’s going to keep himself as adaptable as possible nah no stop what are you talking about)

In conclusion: Dyson—Bad man? Yes. Probably the best partner you will have once he learns/understands how relationships romantically work? Absolutely.

[coupleofdays]

I have previously mentioned the rumor that the reason for why Flynn wears a cloth wrap in the digital world is because the tights were a little too revealing around Jeff Bridges' crotch.

Today I was looking at a picture of Quorra, and I realized that there was something... familiar about her outfit. Specifically, that skirt of hers, just long enough to cover up her butt.

There are plenty of other female characters in Tron Legacy who don't wear skirts, but tight-fitting suits of the same kind as the guys. It made me wonder... Could Olivia Wilde have had a situation similar to Jeff Bridges? Could there, in fact, be a challenger to Bruce Boxleitner's legendary rear end?

And if Disney didn't think that Bruce needed covering up... Then just how much more extraordinary would Wilde's behind have to be to warrant it?

I like to imagine that when Bridges first saw Wilde in her costume, he just gave her a knowing smile. "You too, huh?"

[alibiblu]

Ok but Lizzy’s 100% a lesbian, right? Like, in the credits she refers to Doll as “Babe-a-tron Queenthousand”, calls V “hot”, has an affectionate nickname for V on her phone, she’s leaning against V’s shoulder towards the end of the last ep and they’re sharing earbuds, she’s always taking V’s side and trying to be liked by her, etc. etc.

This is a LESBIAN, bro, what in the Regina George theory???