#To have his stupid Legends backstory be made canon and then Disney retconned it to pander to the fans

[awesomestarfighter]

#there's not even any CANON evidence that any of the trainers were mando #nor any canon evidence that jango actually had any kind of interactions with the clones #esp none that had anything to do with passing on mando culture #hell BOBA FETT HIMSELF says in the mandalorian that he does not consider himself to be mando #he wears the armor because it belonged to his father #and it's sentimental that way #but he doesn't count himself as a mando or ever have any interest in taking part in that culture #so if jango never bothered passing on that culture to the person he considered his son #why does anyone think he'd have done so for the ones he rejected?? #makes no sense y'all

I really don't get it when authors write clones as Mandalorians who are super attached to their culture and language. I mean, yeah, I get that Jango Fett was a Mandalorian (and so many people are so ridiculously horny for Mandalore, but that's for another day) but they explicitly say - several times - that their home planet is Kamino.

Maybe their training had some Mandalore influence, but we also see that a lot of their trainers are bounty hunters from loads of places as well as having Shaak Ti supervising.

They develop their own culture and traditions - like how they decorate their armour or earn their names - which may start out from Mandalorian roots but are obviously influenced by the war, their jedi leaders, and Kamino more than anything.

I just don't get the vibe from the shows and movies that Mandalore is that important to the clones apart from in that distant way people talk about where their ancestors came from. Whenever they talk about 'home' planet, its Kamino. Jango Fett is just their sperm donor bio-dad who they ignore the existence of most of the time.

[sepialunaris]

Tbh I've been keeping this epiphany a lot for my tlj - tros rewrite thing thats probly not gonna be finished but no matter how disney wants to make him comparabble to Vader, Kylo Ren's set up has always been more like Palpatine's backstory in Legends. Like the similarity is uncanny (there are still differences but we'll get to that), and if only they had used that to somewhat fit in Palps in Kyle's arc of being TROS' big bad, it would've made sense.

Enter Sheev

In the Darth Plagueis novel, Palpatine was a child from a noble Naboo family. His family had great power and influence in the senate, especially his father Cosinga. He hated Cosinga because he has conflicting political views with him and has an overall abusive relationship with him (this one is not like Kyle, as he has a caring and healthy family). And iirc from a young age he also has a fascination of the Sith but with little knowledge about them.

And then he meets Hego Damask, a powerful Muun banker, Plagueis' own persona. And then Sheev forms a close mentor-student friendship with him and together they sabotage Cosinga's political faction, while Plagueis observes if Palpatine is worthy to be his apprentice. This includes an instance that he tests Sheev and asks him on how much power he desires to have. Of course typical Sheev answers everything. And then Plagueis reveals himself as a Sith Lord and offers Palps to be his apprentice, promising power to him. But he has to pass a trial to become a true Sith.

And then after knowing Hego's influence in eroding his political faction (without knowing the Sith stuff), Consinga warns Sheev and stops him from communicating with Hego. Consinga also attempts to stop his political career by sending him away. This angers Palpatine and he keeps communicating with Hego, who pushes him to embrace this darkness. And then during a trip at Chandrila with his whole family, he called out his father and they both scream their hatred about each other, to the point Cosinga admitted he should've killed him when he was first born. An enraged Palpatine used the dark side and proceeded to attack and murder his father, followed by the rest of his family. (Also by coincidence, Kyle was born in Chandrila).

Young Sheev felt guilty of this, maybe not to an Anakin degree but this guy is not that sadistic yet. Plagueis was impressed by this and convinces him that he will cover up his murder. In a mission, Plagueis also tried to absolve him of the guilt by telling him to repeat the story of his murder over and over in a cold planet. Once he deems him as a fully fledged malicious being, sucked from all empathy, he christens him as Darth Sidious.

And the rest is history, he fucks over his master, continued the grand plan himself, commiting monstrous acts in his own behalf, and then gets fucked over a few decades later.

Enter kyle

Kyle came from a loving family and people who cares for him. Leia, Han, Luke. Snoke was interested with him and influenced him to embrace his dark impulses. Only unlike Palps, his ambition is not due to an abusive relationship with his parent figures, it was him always thinking that he has locked potential that Luke refuses to allow him to access. But in the end both Sheev and Kyle wanted the same thing, power. And Kyle chose to indulge on Snoke's suggestions and his mind kept thinking that people hated him because he was "too powerful." It was his choice and Snoke didn't force him and his family tried to stop it (Han and Leia knew of Snoke so she probably knew from Kyle and then told Luke and they are not the type of people to sit idly by when this happens).

OOC TLJ Luke considered killing him after sensing this darkness and just one misunderstanding this made him murder the whole Jedi Temple and become a fascist, as if he already had that in mind from before, just like Palps already hating his father. If he had only lashed out on Luke but not the others, he may have a point, but he lashed it out on innocents, and proceeded to do this the next few years for his fascist power conquest. The comic retconned this and made Kyle not kill the jedi, a random lightning bolt did. And I think its just disney trying to make his redemption makes sense and uhh it doesn't work (I refuse to accept it as canon). The things I think the comic itself nailed about Kyle's characterization tho is that even when he didn't kill the jedi, Kyle thought Luke was scared of his power and tried to kill him and Kyle ran off to Snoke instead of his family for help. This is exactly like Palpatine and Plagueis.

And off he goes. He also murdered his father as some sort of trial by Snoke, even if his father is a decent person unlike Cosinga. He killed his master and continued to become genocidal and egomaniac under his own behalf. He has become somewhat like Palpatine, not like Anakin that killed and done his terrible irredeemable atrocities for love. They both did it for power. And for Palpatine he had to support system to stop his descent, yet Kyle had it and refused it.

They could've had a scene where Palps recalls the story of Plagueis (meme bonus) with a truer version, telling kyle that they are more similar to each other than he thinks he is with Vader, and make him an Aaravos type character that doesn't command Kylo but advices his decisions and makes him powerful by giving him knowledge. An untrustworthy advisor that isn't framed as the main villain (i.e: focusing more on kyle's actions that Palps) while Kyle still independently does heinous things in his own conscience and he himself plans to undermine Palps when he has no more use of him (of course Palps also has a plan to trick him and Kyle is not stupid enough to not know it, so its a matter of who disposes who first)