#The Elephant Payday

[silusvesuius]

Payday2 having a mahou shoujo plot will NEVER b lost on me so i had to draw them as bishoujos. but compiled this time. 1st pic left->right is dallas, chains, houston / wolf, hoxton and bain. 2nd pic is vlad, the elephant, the dentist / kento && locke 🕊🎀💘💘💘💘💘💘 much love

[gugf]

Dallas's honest reaction

[playedbetter]

The Watchers Lore

Watchers are mortal souls tied to the immortal souls of The Kings. They are tasked with keeping their respective King in check for the benefit of humanity, though might take other duties upon themselves.

Function of Creation

The first watchers were the right hand men and women of each of The Kings, each with a strong moral character and concern for humanity as a whole.

Watchers after the first of a line are born a Watcher, they are born in batches after the prior generation is fully dead and generally are born within fifty years of the other watchers. (Such as Bain being born in 1967 & Kento in 1995, they are in the same Watcher generation)

Function of The Soul

The first of each Watcher line has their soul reincarnated each new generation. There is a continuity of some basic traits and values, but otherwise each reincarnation is their own separate person.

Basic traits & values

Star: Paranoia, socially smart, outgoing, the greater good.

Scribe: Reckless curiosity, book smart, introverted, justice.

Healer: Perfectionism, wise, loner, order.

Bane: Self sacrificing, street smart, family focused, freedom.

Interactions With Others

(Aka, what can your muse figure out on their own)

Kings: They can sense that a Watcher is a Watcher and which King they are a Watcher for. They can sense the general location of their Watcher and naturally intuit their identity even before meeting.

Supernatural Sense: Anything that allows the supernatural to be detected would pick up that the watcher is a very old, reincarnations prone soul marked with a tie to unknowable forces. The King they are connected to would also be detected. Ultimately they are human with no abilities of their own beyond getting reincarnationed.

Angelic/Demonic Muses: They can sense that the watcher has been marked by heaven/God, for purposes unknown.

Seers: They can use their powers to see a Watchers past lives (if applicable) or have the Watcher relive those memories.

TMA Muses: They would register as marked by The Web, and are prone to being eye or web aligned.

List of Watchers

Star/The Elephant: Cagliostro (deceased), Bain (Formerly)

Scribe/Vlad Kozak: August Lindenhurst (deceased), Jordan Griffin (current, exclusively @chaosmultiverse)

Healer/The Dentist: Baldwin (deceased), Kento (verse dependently deceased, last of his line)

Bane/Bain: Dallas/Nathan Steele (current, first of his line, post payday 2)

[commence-screaming]

waait au where the gang wasnt able to steal the box in time and garrett traded it for bain…..how wohld that play out…..

Ahhhh, you again. A repeat offender ♥️

What this cool anon is referring to are these emails, the coded ones involving a sketchy deal between the Kataru and Solomon Garrett (that guy you can’t kill in Breakin’ Feds 😔)

The Congressman they’re talking about is the Elephant, who gets thrown into jail off-screen. So these are the emails that lead the gang to steal that box from Garrett, but what if they fail? What if they can’t crack the code in time? As you probably know, the PAYDAY timeline runs along line the release dates.

Bain was going to be traded soon after the Elephant was put into prison, and we see him here in Henry’s Rock just a few days later.

(NEW THEORY the room we see is a temporary holding room for Bain because the Kataru were going to trade him, and being on an island off the coast of Oregon? Not the best place to trade someone)

(Bro is in the Dentist’s office, worst place to be tbh)

Remember that this is in April, which is a full 6 months before Bain would be rescued within canon.

I think that Bain would have his clothes taken and exchanged. He’d be strapped to a hospital bed to recover a bit and have psychologists come in to evaluate his mental state. Garrett is the type to do things for the greater good, so what if he wanted Bain to actually stand trial? I’m sure that Bain couldn’t do that so soon because it looks like someone shattered glass over Bain’s knees…

I also think that the crew would have an easier time rescuing him than they did in canon. There’s also a real possibility that the news would get ahold of Bain’s mugshot if he recovered enough to have one, so this is a timed thing. If Bain is stabilized enough to get out of the hospital and sent for processing then it’s gonna be bad, bad enough to where Hoxton would sympathize with Bain on having his face on every channel and screen.

If Bain would have recovered enough within a few days then he’d be put into an interrogation room and yelled at. No way that would be enough for him to crack, though. Even while handcuffed to a table, Bain is still intimidating; especially to people who know nothing about him. Garrett would stick around to make sure the police aren’t doing anything illegal like beating him… although he might conveniently “take a break” if he believes it’s for the best. I guess that shows that the Dentist and Garrett are similar despite being on opposite sides of the law.

When they break in, Bain wouldn’t be able to walk on his own; he’d sling an arm around a crew member and lean on them. Bain’s happy to meet his gang for the first time but he’s also in mission mode, no nonsense. Bain tells them that their situation is bad because the Kataru have all three coffers :) then they’d burn all the evidence and escape.

So almost directly afterwards they gotta do Henry’s Rock and Shacklethorne while Bain’s stitches heal (hooray, free medical from tax payerssss) so the Kataru don’t have a chance to split everything up or send a ton of mercenaries to that base.

Hope that answered it! Very good thought question, I love it to ramble about those types of things 😄

[chaosmultiverse]

˗ˏˋ ★ ˎˊ˗ The Kataru  ˗ˏˋ ★ ˎˊ˗

The Kataru is a ancient conspiracy based around a few things, but large part it is based around the three Kataru Kings, their watchers and the secrets of angels and the Nephilim.

The Kataru Kings were three powerful and intelligent men of their age that discovered the secrets of The Nephilim, and were in turn ‘rewarded’ with ascending into eternal life, becoming The Kataru Kings. They started the Kataru to protect the secrets from misuse and from being lost, at the start it was a united front between them but slowly the kings drifted apart, leading into the modern day where they are enemies. The original kings go as follows:

The Healer, aka The Dentist/Doctor Helmann

The Star, aka The Elephant/Stephen Simmons (@Playedbetter)

The Scribe, aka Vlad Kozak (@Playedbetter)

The first Watchers were the advisers or close friends of the kings when they ascended. The watchers are meant to keep the kings from abusing their power and the secrets they hold, they are also the keys to their kings immortality for as long as a king's watcher is alive they cannot be permanently killed. Every generation after the old generation is entirely dead the watchers are reborn without the memories of their past lives. Over the years the Kings stopped seeing their watchers as needed equals but as servants and obstacles to their goals.

Here are all the known/developed watchers, as of the start of Payday 2

The Healer

Joseph Baldwin (1780s-1812) (@Playedbetter)

Dorothy "Dolly" Harris (1890s-1910s) (@Playedbetter)

Kento (Present day) (@Playedbetter)

The Star

Bain (Present day)

The Scribe 

August Lindenhurst (1890s-1900s)

Jordan Griffin (Present day)

Now briefly the secrets of the Nephilim themselves are rather Cthulhu-like, of other worlds beyond human understanding, lost temples to worship other worldly beings and a flood of inhuman would ending horrors held behind a thin veil.

[benders-back]

Monday

Tuesday

Wednesday

Thursday

Friday

Saturday

Sunday

Now, for pays.. you get em from heists. So here's the heists you get paid from (in payday 2 only, I ain't doing all heists in all games 😭) ↓↓

Bain-

Art Gallery

Bank Heist

Car Shop

Cook Off

Diamond Store

GO Bank

Jewelry Store

Reservoir Dogs Heist

Shadow Raid

The Alesso Heist

Transport

Transport: Train Heist

Classics-

Diamond Heist

First World Bank

Green Bridge

Heat Street

No Mercy

Panic Room

Slaughterhouse

Counterfeit

Undercover

Events-

Cursed Kill Room

Lab Rats

Prison Nightmare

Safe House Nightmare

Hector-

Firestarter

Rats

Watchdogs

Locke-

Alaskan Deal

Breakin' Feds

Brooklyn Bank

Hell's Island

Henry's Rock

Shacklethorne Auction

The White House

Beneath the Mountain

Birth of Sky

Border Crossing

Border Crystals

Breakfast in Tijuana

The Butcher-

The Bomb: Dockyard

The Bomb: Forest

Scarface Mansion

The Dentist-

Hoxton Breakout

Hoxton Revenge

The Big Bank

The Diamond

Golden Grin Casino

Hotline Miami

The Elephant-

Big Oil

Election Day

Framing Frame

The Biker Heist

Vlad-

Aftershock

Four Stores

Mallcrasher

Meltdown

Nightclub

Santa's Workshop

Stealing Xmas

Ukrainian Job

White Xmas

Goat Simulator

San Martín Bank

Buluc's Mansion

Black Cat

Other-

Blaine Keegan- Hostile Takeover

Crude Awakening

Gemma Mcshay- Midland Ranch

Shayu- Mountain Master

Lost In Transit

Jimmy-

Boiling Point

Murky Station

Jiu Feng-

Dragon Heist

The Ukrainian Prisoner

The Continental-

Brooklyn 10-10

The Yacht Heist

7 days with 77 pays (78 if you count safehouse raid) 🫡

[silusvesuius]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tC94HZWKCs

[gugf]

This is how I imagine Hox and Wolf met for the first time

[gothamsmom]

Scenario: Jason Sold Roy to the Circus

Okay, so here’s the actual scenario where Jason Todd, in all of his chaotic wisdom, totally sells Roy Harper to the circus. And before anyone jumps to conclusions, no, this is not some heartfelt, deep connection or noble sacrifice—this is just Jason being Jason.

It all starts in a Gotham alleyway. Roy, being Roy, has gotten himself into some ridiculous mess (probably over some kind of bet involving too much alcohol and a weirdly competitive game of darts). He’s bruised, broken, and needing a place to crash, and naturally, Jason is right there.

Roy: “I think my leg might be broken. Again.”

Jason, on the other hand, is just looking for some peace. But instead, he hears a voice calling out from the shadows, that one shady circus recruiter, the guy who’s always trying to sign up “new talent.” You know the type—greasy hair, bizarrely enthusiastic, and clearly looking for something “new” to add to the troupe.

And guess who’s sitting there listening to all this and thinking: “Hmm. A circus. That’s like a… new home for Roy. Yeah, that’ll be fun. I’ll make some extra cash, and Roy can entertain children. This is genius.”

So, like any great best friend (cough) who’s definitely not trying to get rid of Roy for the night, Jason offers Roy up like a prime piece of livestock to the circus recruiter. It’s a casual conversation, really, nothing too serious—except Jason casually mentions Roy’s “unique set of skills,” the fact that Roy “has a lot of flexibility” (which was true, because, you know, Roy’s got archery tricks that could blow your mind).

Jason: “He’s really great at being shot out of a cannon. And he does an amazing backflip, too. You should’ve seen him back in the day.”

The circus recruiter’s eyes practically gleam with excitement. Roy, being completely out of it (and also confused as hell), doesn’t even realize he’s being sold off until Jason’s practically shoving him onto the truck that’s going to take him away to the “best circus on this side of Gotham.”

Now, the best part of this whole scenario is the fact that Roy has absolutely no idea what happened until hours later, when he wakes up in a colorful, tacky circus tent with a clown juggling nearby.

Roy: “Wait. What the hell? Am I in a circus? I swear to God, Jason, if this is some kind of joke—”

Cue Jason, who is in a cafe somewhere, sipping on overpriced coffee and scrolling through his phone like a proud parent.

Jason: “I sold you to the circus, Roy. Isn’t it obvious?”

Naturally, Roy flips the hell out. Because, you know, nothing says “best friend” like selling your sidekick off to a life of glittery sequins and high-flying stunts. But Jason, who has clearly never made a mistake in his life (ahem), just shrugs and sends him a text with an emoji of a circus tent.

Jason’s Text: “It’s fine. You get free snacks and probably an elephant ride. Plus, I bet you’ll make a killing in tips after that archery act. I could see the circus execs wanting to sign you for their big top."

Roy’s response is too much to handle.

Roy’s Text: “Jason, if I get shot out of a cannon one more time, I swear to God I’ll–”

But Jason? Jason’s already thinking about the next big thing. Because somehow he ended up getting a massive payday from the circus recruiter and has already invested it in something even better.

Jason: “You’re welcome, buddy. I also made sure you’re the star of the show. They love a good ‘tragic backstory’ angle. I’m sure the audience will love hearing about your whole ‘I was once a sidekick to a brooding billionaire vigilante’ story.”

And thus, Roy Harper, the once and future Arrow, is now the proud main attraction of Gotham’s strangely successful traveling circus. And yes, Jason may or may not have gotten tickets just to see Roy perform in that outfit, and also, yes, he’s definitely bringing popcorn. You can count on it.

One of these days I'm going to sell Roy to the circus

[raeloganthesonic06fangirl]

Went to the dentist to get the crowns for my busted teeth put in today, and we stopped by Walmart to grab some things and I decided to celebrate getting my teeth better by grabbing something cute ((and some toiletries I need as well as some clothes stuff I needed replaced because I'm an adult and I need to make smart purchases sometimes)) from the store since I got my payday too, and I found this adorable elephant that someone put on the wrong shelf

Very soft, almost squishy like a Squishmallow

[artcupcakes]

Okay okay. stop me if I’m wrong. We don’t know what makes the Kings get their titles except that it probably has something to do with the Kataru. (And that a fourth is mentioned but not expanded on) I haven’t done the Secret so bear with me here!

Watchers are apparently aliens that have come to take over the world,,,? What does that make Bain then?

Remember the origin story in that outfit description that one anon mentioned?? Yeah it says “in the late 1960’s, a man was born”

WHICH WHAT. Hold on but he’s a Watcher and Watchers are supposed to be aliens?? But this says he was born???

Why did the Kataru experiment on Bain? Could’ve been anybody else, but they chose him. NEVER EXPLAINED. Bain has an alien bloodline or something, I swear. This might’ve been the reason why. (Side note: stealth Big Bank, Bain mentions that his grandfather used to go heisting, so def born)

Even in the Safehouse, Dallas questions if the virus was really what gave Bain his whole power boost thing.

What if we redefine Kings as the highest rank in Kataru you can have? Bain being the Elephant’s Watcher doesn’t make sense lore-wise. Wiki says that Duke has a voice line that alludes to him being trained for it, though I can’t confirm whether this is true. (Are the Kings immortal or what? Do they reincarnate every so often??)

(Duke’s grandfather had a hand in all this Kataru stuff, I remember that they used to be a benevolent organization before they defected and became Kataru? Description in one of the heists says, when I find it again I’ll refer. The tape Bain left behind DOES mention it being Duke’s family issues and such)

Him being the Elephant’s Watcher won’t fly because! He’s rude when he talks about him. The description of the mentor sounds a lot more like someone he’d look up to? Also the Elephant betrayed the PAYDAY gang, so there’s that.

And if Bain is the PAYDAY gang’s Watcher. Maybe he’s using them to take over the world? If the team took down the Dentist (a King) then they would be more than worthy to hold that title, with the whole relic box and all.

Him being an alien (and your Watcher) would explain a few things: his protectiveness over his gang, “you better not be messing with my crew!” (Alaskan Deal, he probably hadn’t contacted Locke by that point. Because why would the next heist have happened if that were the case?)

him seemingly being able to communicate with them no matter the circumstances, (EMP bomb, Boiling Point. Bain is able to talk to you AND see through your eyes. How else would he know about the lead scientist?) in all of the trailers and live action stuff, the gang is never shown to be speaking to Bain. Verbally, that is. CANONICALLY in the side comic (on their official website) Bain is shown to be talking to them outside of a heist,,,on Dallas’ smartphone. What is that??? (And it’s not like they were to lazy to model earpieces onto the heisters, the Train Heist guards have them)

him marking things for you through walls, especially when he said (Diamond Heist Classic on Loud) “the CFO thinks he’s clever, but he can’t hide from me.” MARKING HIM WHEREVER HE IS. Bain is psychic somehow, if you take the briefcase early in Boiling Point, sometimes he will ask you if you are psychic. No really! This is one of the things that tipped me off about it.

his near omnipresence, during times he’s taken off-guard, he’s always there for you? (Goat Simulator Day 2, nothing was supposed to happen)

his near omniscience, yeah you’re totally a normal person Mr. I-Don’t-Know-Where-The-Vault-Is-Try-Moving-Bookshelves. (Framing Frame Day 3)

and him putting his team’s life above his own. If he was your Watcher, that would make so much sense. He’s getting attacked while you’re in the van already and he wants to ‘get you guys out of there’???Curiously, I think OVKS changed the dialogue for the “Cutting the Red Wire” achievement? Earlier recordings has Bain congratulating you for defusing the C4, but now? He sounds very worried about you??

There is definitely something weird about the Paygang, actually. Mind Control? Defying Death itself? Completely normal. “Your persuasion tactics were resisted,” and then you can convert the same officer once you have a slot open. (Not to mention that they curse at you then fight their comrades for your sake?) let’s not talk about the regenerating armor or anything, run-of-the-mill everyday stuff y’know? (no wonder they’re feared by the government, and how they never get caught)

The only crew voice lines that refer specifically to Bain (besides the tutorials, where Dallas treats him like he’s a servant) is them being worried/afraid over their navigator not being able to guide them. This is either a severe case of dependence or?

All in all, I just want to say. The PAYDAY Gang are collectively the fourth King, and Bain is their Watcher. They’re also psychic and he’s probably an alien. (his dad is the alien from Shacklethorne Auction, lol jkjk)

But that’s just my opinion.

(besides the tutorials, where Dallas treats him like he’s a servant) Listen, he's just being extra careful. It's been like two years.

Also pretty sure it's implied somewhere that the alien boios are dead(Well almost but let's not talk about the Shacklethorne Auction). But they did gift the three kings a form of immortality alongside their watchers.

Honestly you just have a case for Bain having supernatural powers more than alien heritage in my opinion. I mean things like the sixth sense skill and the Halloween stuff already have some implication on this kind of stuff.

However I still like your fourth king theory as it's pretty fun if anything. Even if I think it has a couple of holes in it here and there.

There's also a joke about parasocial relationships with Bain but idk how I'd word it XD

[vintagepromotions]

‘Can’t Get Enough Peanuts?’

PayDay candy bar Halloween advertisement (1999).

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i can’t believe I haven’t explained to the general public how Bain is an alien. yeah there was that ONE thing I sent AC but that doesn’t count okay 😆

Payday 2 spoilers hahaa

So during the end cutscene, the couple seconds where jacket throws his tape… there’s a weird stone in the background.

It’s written in Kataru! Luckily I know the cipher… though I can’t be bothered to find a higher quality one so wfejvdjd

Okay okay hear me out

Kataru cipher is written from right to left, top to bottom.

BAIN/OURWATCHER/FALLEN

Because this is a tombstone :) if you’re wondering what a Watcher is, it’s explained. ovks had a limited dlc for payday 2 called the “completely overkill pack” and there happened to be a certain mask description for a particular one…

Watchers in the book of Enoch were angels who wanted to be with human women and were punished for that… however we’re not sure if the book of Enoch is canon to payday lore (even though it mentions Nephilim) so I say that Watchers are aliens. Generally. Something very not human.

It makes the meaning of that translation interesting. It gives depth to other weird details that are in the game.

Like in the contact database, Bain says something along the lines of “I am the gatekeeper, or the watchman, if you will.” and “whatever I tell you might be a lie to protect myself. If I told you the truth, you wouldn’t believe me” and if the truth is that Bain is actually the gang’s Watcher, it makes sense.

“I don’t see how it could’ve gone this way, but I’m only human.” I mean, mostly. It’s not technically a lie

Bain is partially human, since he was “born.” He also mentions him having a grandpa who went heisting (big bank stealth) so I would say that the alien stuff is somewhere in his lineage.

He’s very apologetic when a mission fails, by the way. I would speculate that he’s like that because of Hoxton’s arrest but he was like that since the first game. I wonder what he’s trying to make up for :)

All the jokes would have deeper meaning if Bain is an alien of some sort

In the Mega Watcher mask description, it says “they communicate using their minds.” It would fit into how you hear Bain’s voice clearly through even flash bangs, but nobody else’s. There’s actually no official content (that I know of) depicting Bain talking to his crew over earpieces. It’s not like ovks hadn’t modeled earpieces before, look at the guards in the train transport heist! Each time they talk to Bain it’s always over the phone (comic collaboration)

(official Locke and Load comic)

He’s also able to talk to his crew after the EMP bomb goes off in Boiling Point (which took out a whole facility PLUS superhumans)

in that last part he can somehow see what the player is doing as if he has cameras in their masks… except that couldn’t be. Because it shouldn’t be working. If you take the briefcase before Bain asks you to, he has a few different lines like “how did you know I needed that briefcase?” “You read my mind,” and “are you psychic or something?”

and if Bain is a Watcher, these quotes are hilarious. It was right there all along!

“(They) use their large eyes” take a look at the color of the Watcher mask.

Bain’s favorite color is blue. We know it’s true because Crimenet’s color scheme is blue… and Bain’s eyes are blue too. Coincidence? …Maybe. I’m not ruling it out. It would be messed up considering what happens to one of his eyes. My dude got nerfed. and was probably experimented on if what Locke says is anything to go by

“to witness, gather and share information” could they mean the way that the crew can somehow see through walls? How Bain can highlight objectives for you if you can’t find something? Nobody can hide from him.

Bain wears a fleur de lis ring on the pinkie of his right hand. Yes, like the guide of bain

(Something I want to point out, bain is terrible at lying to his team actually. Sooo the detection meter is just future Russian glasses? Yeaahhh sure Bain)

I guess this definitely isn’t mind control or any sort of skill *cough cough* joker *cough* There’s one last thing I want to put down here because it was never explained in canon.

HONESTLY NOT SURE WHAT THIS IS. Could it be the “Watcher of the Star?” is it Bain’s ancestor? or is Bain immortal somehow I don’t know but no normal guy would just have this laying around XD

Bottom line is that if Bain isn’t then he’s definitely SUSPICIOUS. Just putting that out there.

[darkdefender420]

[taxi-davis]