#The Elephant Payday

[silusvesuius]

i need to share this girlelephant she's everything

[gugf]

Dallas's honest reaction

[omeletcat]

I tried getting Zack Scots attention to get a fat payday.. but alas i was not blessed by the elephant gods... i asked my friend to post it cause i refused to enter muskies domain, but he didn't notice me. 💔

[troublesalwaysinbound]

Only half joking when i assert that Hajrudin could plausibly be the scribe king instead of Vlad. Like yeah. Vlad makes the most sense. The dentist calls him by name in hells island. He calls the romanov treasure a "family heirloom" in san martín.

But also. What if mr kozak is just an insane weirdo freakazoid who is merely the watcher for an immortal weirdonfreakazoid........ fuck logic and reason this is about hajrudin now

Hajrudin survives multiple aerial crashes and is unscathed after crashing the wankermobile during vlads surprise. Vlad doesnt worry about repeatedly sending his brother in law to do these jobs. Because vlad knows hajrudin is immortal as long as he is his brother in laws watcher. The perfect man to smuggle your christmas presents is the immortal who is too drunk to die.

Vlad is constantly calling hajrudin a loserboy but we save him every time because. He is family. And also because he is one of the immortal kings shocked emoji. Vlad may only be a watcher but for the past 20 years hes been doing the bulk of the scribes work. His desire to get revenge and reestablish himself underground as soon as he gets out of prison would make sense as a man whos duty is to watch over his king. He spent 8 years unable to Do That. His purpose as watcher and the contacts he has in place just. Slipping away. The ability to protect and supply and elevate the plastered scribe king being stolen from him

Vlad communicates with the fated payday crew as a watcher. The same way bain does (unknowingly?) for the elephant. And same the way kento uses the garretts emails to get through to them on behalf of the healer. At this point vlad is a DISTRACTION from the fact intoxicated almir listo was immortal santa god all along.......

[playedbetter]

The Watchers Lore

Watchers are mortal souls tied to the immortal souls of The Kings. They are tasked with keeping their respective King in check for the benefit of humanity, though might take other duties upon themselves.

Function of Creation

The first watchers were the right hand men and women of each of The Kings, each with a strong moral character and concern for humanity as a whole.

Watchers after the first of a line are born a Watcher, they are born in batches after the prior generation is fully dead and generally are born within fifty years of the other watchers. (Such as Bain being born in 1967 & Kento in 1995, they are in the same Watcher generation)

Function of The Soul

The first of each Watcher line has their soul reincarnated each new generation. There is a continuity of some basic traits and values, but otherwise each reincarnation is their own separate person.

Basic traits & values

Star: Paranoia, socially smart, outgoing, the greater good.

Scribe: Reckless curiosity, book smart, introverted, justice.

Healer: Perfectionism, wise, loner, order.

Bane: Self sacrificing, street smart, family focused, freedom.

Interactions With Others

(Aka, what can your muse figure out on their own)

Kings: They can sense that a Watcher is a Watcher and which King they are a Watcher for. They can sense the general location of their Watcher and naturally intuit their identity even before meeting.

Supernatural Sense: Anything that allows the supernatural to be detected would pick up that the watcher is a very old, reincarnations prone soul marked with a tie to unknowable forces. The King they are connected to would also be detected. Ultimately they are human with no abilities of their own beyond getting reincarnationed.

Angelic/Demonic Muses: They can sense that the watcher has been marked by heaven/God, for purposes unknown.

Seers: They can use their powers to see a Watchers past lives (if applicable) or have the Watcher relive those memories.

TMA Muses: They would register as marked by The Web, and are prone to being eye or web aligned.

List of Watchers

Star/The Elephant: Cagliostro (deceased), Bain (Formerly)

Scribe/Vlad Kozak: August Lindenhurst (deceased), Jordan Griffin (current, exclusively @chaosmultiverse)

Healer/The Dentist: Baldwin (deceased), Kento (verse dependently deceased, last of his line)

Bane/Bain: Dallas/Nathan Steele (current, first of his line, post payday 2)

[commence-screaming]

waait au where the gang wasnt able to steal the box in time and garrett traded it for bain…..how wohld that play out…..

Ahhhh, you again. A repeat offender ♥️

What this cool anon is referring to are these emails, the coded ones involving a sketchy deal between the Kataru and Solomon Garrett (that guy you can’t kill in Breakin’ Feds 😔)

The Congressman they’re talking about is the Elephant, who gets thrown into jail off-screen. So these are the emails that lead the gang to steal that box from Garrett, but what if they fail? What if they can’t crack the code in time? As you probably know, the PAYDAY timeline runs along line the release dates.

Bain was going to be traded soon after the Elephant was put into prison, and we see him here in Henry’s Rock just a few days later.

(NEW THEORY the room we see is a temporary holding room for Bain because the Kataru were going to trade him, and being on an island off the coast of Oregon? Not the best place to trade someone)

(Bro is in the Dentist’s office, worst place to be tbh)

Remember that this is in April, which is a full 6 months before Bain would be rescued within canon.

I think that Bain would have his clothes taken and exchanged. He’d be strapped to a hospital bed to recover a bit and have psychologists come in to evaluate his mental state. Garrett is the type to do things for the greater good, so what if he wanted Bain to actually stand trial? I’m sure that Bain couldn’t do that so soon because it looks like someone shattered glass over Bain’s knees…

I also think that the crew would have an easier time rescuing him than they did in canon. There’s also a real possibility that the news would get ahold of Bain’s mugshot if he recovered enough to have one, so this is a timed thing. If Bain is stabilized enough to get out of the hospital and sent for processing then it’s gonna be bad, bad enough to where Hoxton would sympathize with Bain on having his face on every channel and screen.

If Bain would have recovered enough within a few days then he’d be put into an interrogation room and yelled at. No way that would be enough for him to crack, though. Even while handcuffed to a table, Bain is still intimidating; especially to people who know nothing about him. Garrett would stick around to make sure the police aren’t doing anything illegal like beating him… although he might conveniently “take a break” if he believes it’s for the best. I guess that shows that the Dentist and Garrett are similar despite being on opposite sides of the law.

When they break in, Bain wouldn’t be able to walk on his own; he’d sling an arm around a crew member and lean on them. Bain’s happy to meet his gang for the first time but he’s also in mission mode, no nonsense. Bain tells them that their situation is bad because the Kataru have all three coffers :) then they’d burn all the evidence and escape.

So almost directly afterwards they gotta do Henry’s Rock and Shacklethorne while Bain’s stitches heal (hooray, free medical from tax payerssss) so the Kataru don’t have a chance to split everything up or send a ton of mercenaries to that base.

Hope that answered it! Very good thought question, I love it to ramble about those types of things 😄

[tomboyjessie13]

A Bane Called "Hubris"

Part 1

Empty room - Speedwagon Foundation HQ, Washington DC 2011

Part 6!Medea: *Rubbing her head* ...Needless to say my Stand was NOT happy with this outcome and didn't talk to me for two days afterwords, they knew DIO was full of shit and I still surrendered to him anyway...I regret ever ignoring their warnings.

SPW Agent: *To themselves*-Dependency, fear of abandonment, feelings for captor...*To her* I don't wanna say it's "Stockholm Syndrome", but from your description, it almost sounds like you had it.

Part 6!Medea: *Tired sigh* I don't blame you for thinking that. I slowly but surely fell into a toxic relationship with DIO despite the terrible things he did to me and his peers... all because I felt loveless, on top of him saving my ass twice.

SPW Agent: Yeesh, even I wouldn't wish that on my enemies... Anyways, what happened after you got better? 

Part 6!Medea: Right, well, since I'm well enough to move again, I've spent the next day washing my tainted sheets and clothes and decontaminating the bathroom I've been using when I was sick, it's the least I could do for the guys who had to pull double duty during my down time. By the time night fell, I can feel my fever beginning to break fully, meaning that my flu has ended, as DIO predicted.

SPW Agent: Just like a regular flu.

DIO's Mansion and Cairo, Egypt May 9, 1988

(Voice-over)Part 6!Medea: Mmhmm, after which, I went back to my normal duties on the 7th day as I was feeling a lot better...health wise anyway. Doing the guys' laundry, tending the botanical garden, buying groceries, wrestling with Vanilla Ice, taking up a week's worth of cooking shifts since D'Arby took mines when I was sick, and getting my Stand to end the two-day silent treatment. It was all fairly normal, until what happened on the 8th day; the agents' pay day...

First Floor Front Hall, DIO's Mansion May 10, 1988

Some of the agents are hanging in the front hall after their meeting with DIO in the mansion's Prayer Room. Devo the Cursed, Rubber Soul, Captain Dragon, ZZ, Steely Dan, Cameo, N'Doul, Mariah, and Alessi are all in the room after that meeting.

ZZ: *Stretching* Mmmm~ Man, I thought it would never end.

Devo the Cursed: Oh shut it, you got you're money, did you?

Alessi: *Counting his money* Yeah he's right, we got paid and that's all that mattered. *Happy* And now we're going to be eating good tonight!

All: *Stoked* YEAH!

Medea: *Walks in with a water pail in hand, looking a lot healthier than before* Well well well, looks like payday's here again.

All: Hey Medea (Rubber Soul: What's up?)

Mariah: Hey Sweetie, glad to see you all better~

Steely Dan: *Smirks* Yeah look at you, you're alive! 

Medea: *Raising eyebrow* So you heard what happened, hm? *Watering plants*

Captain Dragon: Word travels quick whenever Lord DIO's arrow is brought up.

Cameo: Yeah the arrow's no joke, only half of us got our Stands from it alive.

N'Doul: *Frowns disappointingly* First the Warriors, then the flu, this May just isn't you're month, King.

Medea: *Shrugs* Tell me about it, but I'm all better now, guys. *Waters another plant* And the month is still young so I have plenty of time to take it back.

Rubber Soul: Hell yeah! ^o^

Medea: *Looks up and sees a potted plant hanging from the ceiling. She summons her Stand waters the hanged plant, everyone notices [Molly]'s new haircut*

ZZ: *Sees their hair* Hey, elephant in the room here, but what's with your Stand's hair?

Medea: *Looks at her Stand* I honestly don't know either, it's been happening ever since I got shot, it's probably just a Stand's equivalent of "canities subita" though.

Alessi: ....Caniti-wha? 

Medea: *Grabs the water pail* Canities subita; Marie Antoinette Syndrome. *Irritated* Good lord, read a book. *Waters another plant*

Alessi: *Rolls up a magazine* Yeah, well read this. *Smacks her rear with it*

Medea: *Startled* AHH! OoO

All but Mariah and N'Doul: *Cringe* Oooooooh 

Mariah: *Punches Alessi in the face* NGH! *Goes to Medea*

N'Doul: *Smacks Alessi with his cane* 

Medea: *Turns around, angry* Knock it off, ya gobshites, or I shall be forced to kick ALL your asses. *Turns back to the plants*

Alessi: *Fixing his glasses*....*Goes to the guys*

All but Mariah and N'Doul: *Huddles and whispers a few words*....*Quietly takes out their weapons and Stands*

N'Doul: *Felt something off* MEDEA, LOOK OU-

Medea: *Turns around and roundhouse kicks Devo in the face with her Stand* KIRU! *Kicks him to ZZ* KIRU! 

ZZ and Devo: AHHHH! *ZZ gets crushed* (ZZ: BLEGH!)

Alessi: *Tries to attack her with his axe, but gets blocked by [Molly]'s blades* GAH! HAH! NGH! *Tries using [Sethen]* [SETH-*gets dragged by his axe* -WHOA! *Hits the wall behind her* GAH!

Medea: *Squares up with Cameo*

Cameo: *Tries to smack her with his shovel* RAGH! HYAH! 

Medea: *Kicks his shovel out of his hand* KIRU! *Smacks his face with it* KIRU!

Cameo: *Gets hit and falls over* GAH!

Captain Dragon: *Tries to surprise her with [Dark Blue Moon]* 

Medea: *Smacks his face to* KIRU! 

Captian Dragon: *Falls over* AGH!

Rubber Soul: *Tries to grab her with [Yellow Temperance]*

Medea: *Her Stand kicks him "down there" from behind* KIRU!

Rubber Soul: *Lets out a high-pitched squeal of pain* Ahhhh! OoQ *Falls over, holding his lower regions*

Medea: *Panting as she looks at the downed Agents around her* Hah...hah...hah...*Sees that Steely Dan left standing, knife in hand and sweating bullets* Ok, gorgeous. Make your move. *She squares up with a shovel* Hiya! 

Steely Dan: *Stunned* OoO......*Tries to play it cool* He-hey, I got better things to do. ^_^; *Putting his knife away*

Medea: *Giving Cameo his shovel back* Mmhmm, that's what I thought.

Mariah: *Stoked* Ahhhh Meds! *Hugs her* That was fantastic!

Medea: *Surprised* It was?

N'Doul: *Holding his cane like a sonar, surprised* Yeah, I can't believe you took these guys out in one go.

Medea: I can't believe I took them out either either... Lord DIO was right, I really needed to improve my offense and the arrow doubled it.

Devo the Cursed: *Sits up, allowing ZZ to crawl out* Damn right it did. *Spits blood* Tuh! You really pack a punch with that kick. *Smirks* I might have to watch my back in the future.

Medea: With your [Ebony Devil]? *Pulls him up* I should be the one watching mine. 

Cameo: *Rubbing his face* Owww...You weren't kidding when *stands up* you said you're going to kick our asses, King. Your Stand's just out there whipping us! 

Rubber Soul: *Struggles to get up, but impressed* No way, ngh, they're out there "flogging".

N'Doul: *Points at him* Oop! That's a good one! *smiles* They're [Flogging Molly]!

Medea: *Thinks about it* [Flogging Molly]. huh?...sounds intimidating...

[Molly]: *Thrilled* Kiruuu~

Medea: *To her Stand* You like it to?

[Flogging Molly]: *They flex their arms in approval* Kiru.

Medea: They like it. :-)

Captain Dragon: Let's hear it for [Flogging Molly]! :-D

The men: *Applauded* (ZZ: Yeah, [Flogging Molly])

Mariah: *Ulutating happily* ^o^

Medea: *Bashful* ^v^

Enyaba: *Walks in, waving her cane to move Agents out of the way, forcing them to leave* Alright, alright, break it up, what's all this about?

Mariah: Bye Meds~

Devo the Cursed: See ya.

N'Doul: Ma'a salama.

Medea: *Waves bye* Bye, guys, drive safely *To Enyaba* Nothing much, just showing off my newfound powers to our friends and got a nickname for it.

Enyaba: *Smiles* D'aww that's sweet. *Serious* Anyways, Lord DIO's free now and wants an audience with you in the Study Room.

[Flogging Molly]: *Growling* Kiruuuuuu...

Medea: Really? What does he want?

Enyaba: Don't ask me, ask him, *waving her cane at her* now get to it, stupid girl! 

Medea: *Starts going* Ok! Ok! I'm going! Yeesh! 

Study Room, DIO's Mansion

DIO was writing in his diary by his desk, a blanket covers his head to keep his head out of sunlight, the diary seems to Be titled: "How to obtain Heaven".

DIO: *Writing*.....*Hears knocking* Is that you, Medea? 

Medea: Yeah, it's me.

DIO: *Puts his diary away* Good, good, I need you for a minute.

Medea: *Enters* You wanted to see me, sir? *Sits down in front of him*

DIO: *Locks drawer and pockets his key* Of course, since you're all better now I wanted to give you an important task for me.

Medea: Is that right huh? That's the first time you've given me a job outside of housework without me having to fight over it.

DIO: You've agreed to give yourself to me, so it's the least I could do. *Leans over* At any rate, I wanted to make use of your newfound Toxikinesis in hopes that it could one day benefit us.

Medea: How so? From what I can tell: "Drunken Lullaby", *quickly* that's-the-name-I-gave-the-poison-by-the-way, *normal* is acidic as all hell, very corrosive shit and can melt through surfaces. I haven't tested it on people and plants yet, but I don't doubt that it wouldn't do the same.

DIO: That's what I wanted you to do, I want you to make a diluted poison.

Medea: .....*Confused* Huh? I thought you wanted a poison that could cause damage.

DIO: *Leans back* Oh but I do, but I also wanted a poison that *making hand gestures* can easily be digested and can be used for silent kills. 

Medea: *Shocked* SAY WHAT!? 

DIO: Your "Drunken Lullaby" is a very powerful toxin and I'm honestly quite impressed by it, but it's a little too acidic for what I had in mind, and I wanted to see if you can bring me a poison with a reduced acidity, but still corrosive enough to kill.

Medea: *Horrified* Are you insane!? You're not using my powers to kill people!

DIO: *Leans forward, frowning* Oh come now, woman, you KNEW the risks when you agreed to serve me like the others, it's too late to back out now. *Gently takes her hands by her fingers*

Medea: *Stunned by this* .....

DIO: *Whispers in her right ear* I gave you this power with my Arrow, now I want you to give me whatever you can make with that power in return. That's all I ask of you. *Leans back*

Medea: *Her face was blushing red from his deep voice in her ear*.....*Stuttering* Y-y-you're not going to abuse it to hell and back, are you?

DIO: Of course not, I'm not that irresponsible, I can use it whenever it's needed.

Medea: .....Ok...I accept the task.

DIO: *Smirks evilly* Good girl... *He lets her go and stands up* This Mansion has a tower that nobody uses except for storage, I'm giving you full permission to use it as your personal laboratory, I'll also have Eris send you her old chemistry set to experiment your poison with. 

Medea: ...*Lightly bows to him* Thank you, sir. I appreciate this kind gesture...

END OF PART 1 Previous part: "Now, let the Fun Begin!" — A Bane Called "Hubris"

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I apologize for the 12-day wait, the real world and the internet distracted me to hell and back, as well as some writer's block getting in the way. That being said, it's done now.

* The fight sequence between Medea and the agents is loosely inspired by the towel fight scene from the sitcom "Family Matters"

[chaosmultiverse]

˗ˏˋ ★ ˎˊ˗ The Kataru  ˗ˏˋ ★ ˎˊ˗

The Kataru is a ancient conspiracy based around a few things, but large part it is based around the three Kataru Kings, their watchers and the secrets of angels and the Nephilim.

The Kataru Kings were three powerful and intelligent men of their age that discovered the secrets of The Nephilim, and were in turn ‘rewarded’ with ascending into eternal life, becoming The Kataru Kings. They started the Kataru to protect the secrets from misuse and from being lost, at the start it was a united front between them but slowly the kings drifted apart, leading into the modern day where they are enemies. The original kings go as follows:

The Healer, aka The Dentist/Doctor Helmann

The Star, aka The Elephant/Stephen Simmons (@Playedbetter)

The Scribe, aka Vlad Kozak (@Playedbetter)

The first Watchers were the advisers or close friends of the kings when they ascended. The watchers are meant to keep the kings from abusing their power and the secrets they hold, they are also the keys to their kings immortality for as long as a king's watcher is alive they cannot be permanently killed. Every generation after the old generation is entirely dead the watchers are reborn without the memories of their past lives. Over the years the Kings stopped seeing their watchers as needed equals but as servants and obstacles to their goals.

Here are all the known/developed watchers, as of the start of Payday 2

The Healer

Joseph Baldwin (1780s-1812) (@Playedbetter)

Dorothy "Dolly" Harris (1890s-1910s) (@Playedbetter)

Kento (Present day) (@Playedbetter)

The Star

Bain (Present day)

The Scribe 

August Lindenhurst (1890s-1900s)

Jordan Griffin (Present day)

Now briefly the secrets of the Nephilim themselves are rather Cthulhu-like, of other worlds beyond human understanding, lost temples to worship other worldly beings and a flood of inhuman would ending horrors held behind a thin veil.

[silusvesuius]

Payday2 having a mahou shoujo plot will NEVER b lost on me so i had to draw them as bishoujos. but compiled this time. 1st pic left->right is dallas, chains, houston / wolf, hoxton and bain. 2nd pic is vlad, the elephant, the dentist / kento && locke 🕊🎀💘💘💘💘💘💘 much love

[gugf]

This is how I imagine Hox and Wolf met for the first time

[benders-back]

Monday

Tuesday

Wednesday

Thursday

Friday

Saturday

Sunday

Now, for pays.. you get em from heists. So here's the heists you get paid from (in payday 2 only, I ain't doing all heists in all games 😭) ↓↓

Bain-

Art Gallery

Bank Heist

Car Shop

Cook Off

Diamond Store

GO Bank

Jewelry Store

Reservoir Dogs Heist

Shadow Raid

The Alesso Heist

Transport

Transport: Train Heist

Classics-

Diamond Heist

First World Bank

Green Bridge

Heat Street

No Mercy

Panic Room

Slaughterhouse

Counterfeit

Undercover

Events-

Cursed Kill Room

Lab Rats

Prison Nightmare

Safe House Nightmare

Hector-

Firestarter

Rats

Watchdogs

Locke-

Alaskan Deal

Breakin' Feds

Brooklyn Bank

Hell's Island

Henry's Rock

Shacklethorne Auction

The White House

Beneath the Mountain

Birth of Sky

Border Crossing

Border Crystals

Breakfast in Tijuana

The Butcher-

The Bomb: Dockyard

The Bomb: Forest

Scarface Mansion

The Dentist-

Hoxton Breakout

Hoxton Revenge

The Big Bank

The Diamond

Golden Grin Casino

Hotline Miami

The Elephant-

Big Oil

Election Day

Framing Frame

The Biker Heist

Vlad-

Aftershock

Four Stores

Mallcrasher

Meltdown

Nightclub

Santa's Workshop

Stealing Xmas

Ukrainian Job

White Xmas

Goat Simulator

San Martín Bank

Buluc's Mansion

Black Cat

Other-

Blaine Keegan- Hostile Takeover

Crude Awakening

Gemma Mcshay- Midland Ranch

Shayu- Mountain Master

Lost In Transit

Jimmy-

Boiling Point

Murky Station

Jiu Feng-

Dragon Heist

The Ukrainian Prisoner

The Continental-

Brooklyn 10-10

The Yacht Heist

7 days with 77 pays (78 if you count safehouse raid) 🫡

[artcupcakes]

Okay okay. stop me if I’m wrong. We don’t know what makes the Kings get their titles except that it probably has something to do with the Kataru. (And that a fourth is mentioned but not expanded on) I haven’t done the Secret so bear with me here!

Watchers are apparently aliens that have come to take over the world,,,? What does that make Bain then?

Remember the origin story in that outfit description that one anon mentioned?? Yeah it says “in the late 1960’s, a man was born”

WHICH WHAT. Hold on but he’s a Watcher and Watchers are supposed to be aliens?? But this says he was born???

Why did the Kataru experiment on Bain? Could’ve been anybody else, but they chose him. NEVER EXPLAINED. Bain has an alien bloodline or something, I swear. This might’ve been the reason why. (Side note: stealth Big Bank, Bain mentions that his grandfather used to go heisting, so def born)

Even in the Safehouse, Dallas questions if the virus was really what gave Bain his whole power boost thing.

What if we redefine Kings as the highest rank in Kataru you can have? Bain being the Elephant’s Watcher doesn’t make sense lore-wise. Wiki says that Duke has a voice line that alludes to him being trained for it, though I can’t confirm whether this is true. (Are the Kings immortal or what? Do they reincarnate every so often??)

(Duke’s grandfather had a hand in all this Kataru stuff, I remember that they used to be a benevolent organization before they defected and became Kataru? Description in one of the heists says, when I find it again I’ll refer. The tape Bain left behind DOES mention it being Duke’s family issues and such)

Him being the Elephant’s Watcher won’t fly because! He’s rude when he talks about him. The description of the mentor sounds a lot more like someone he’d look up to? Also the Elephant betrayed the PAYDAY gang, so there’s that.

And if Bain is the PAYDAY gang’s Watcher. Maybe he’s using them to take over the world? If the team took down the Dentist (a King) then they would be more than worthy to hold that title, with the whole relic box and all.

Him being an alien (and your Watcher) would explain a few things: his protectiveness over his gang, “you better not be messing with my crew!” (Alaskan Deal, he probably hadn’t contacted Locke by that point. Because why would the next heist have happened if that were the case?)

him seemingly being able to communicate with them no matter the circumstances, (EMP bomb, Boiling Point. Bain is able to talk to you AND see through your eyes. How else would he know about the lead scientist?) in all of the trailers and live action stuff, the gang is never shown to be speaking to Bain. Verbally, that is. CANONICALLY in the side comic (on their official website) Bain is shown to be talking to them outside of a heist,,,on Dallas’ smartphone. What is that??? (And it’s not like they were to lazy to model earpieces onto the heisters, the Train Heist guards have them)

him marking things for you through walls, especially when he said (Diamond Heist Classic on Loud) “the CFO thinks he’s clever, but he can’t hide from me.” MARKING HIM WHEREVER HE IS. Bain is psychic somehow, if you take the briefcase early in Boiling Point, sometimes he will ask you if you are psychic. No really! This is one of the things that tipped me off about it.

his near omnipresence, during times he’s taken off-guard, he’s always there for you? (Goat Simulator Day 2, nothing was supposed to happen)

his near omniscience, yeah you’re totally a normal person Mr. I-Don’t-Know-Where-The-Vault-Is-Try-Moving-Bookshelves. (Framing Frame Day 3)

and him putting his team’s life above his own. If he was your Watcher, that would make so much sense. He’s getting attacked while you’re in the van already and he wants to ‘get you guys out of there’???Curiously, I think OVKS changed the dialogue for the “Cutting the Red Wire” achievement? Earlier recordings has Bain congratulating you for defusing the C4, but now? He sounds very worried about you??

There is definitely something weird about the Paygang, actually. Mind Control? Defying Death itself? Completely normal. “Your persuasion tactics were resisted,” and then you can convert the same officer once you have a slot open. (Not to mention that they curse at you then fight their comrades for your sake?) let’s not talk about the regenerating armor or anything, run-of-the-mill everyday stuff y’know? (no wonder they’re feared by the government, and how they never get caught)

The only crew voice lines that refer specifically to Bain (besides the tutorials, where Dallas treats him like he’s a servant) is them being worried/afraid over their navigator not being able to guide them. This is either a severe case of dependence or?

All in all, I just want to say. The PAYDAY Gang are collectively the fourth King, and Bain is their Watcher. They’re also psychic and he’s probably an alien. (his dad is the alien from Shacklethorne Auction, lol jkjk)

But that’s just my opinion.

(besides the tutorials, where Dallas treats him like he’s a servant) Listen, he's just being extra careful. It's been like two years.

Also pretty sure it's implied somewhere that the alien boios are dead(Well almost but let's not talk about the Shacklethorne Auction). But they did gift the three kings a form of immortality alongside their watchers.

Honestly you just have a case for Bain having supernatural powers more than alien heritage in my opinion. I mean things like the sixth sense skill and the Halloween stuff already have some implication on this kind of stuff.

However I still like your fourth king theory as it's pretty fun if anything. Even if I think it has a couple of holes in it here and there.

There's also a joke about parasocial relationships with Bain but idk how I'd word it XD

[vintagepromotions]

‘Can’t Get Enough Peanuts?’

PayDay candy bar Halloween advertisement (1999).

[commence-screaming]

i can’t believe I haven’t explained to the general public how Bain is an alien. yeah there was that ONE thing I sent AC but that doesn’t count okay 😆

Payday 2 spoilers hahaa

So during the end cutscene, the couple seconds where jacket throws his tape… there’s a weird stone in the background.

It’s written in Kataru! Luckily I know the cipher… though I can’t be bothered to find a higher quality one so wfejvdjd

Okay okay hear me out

Kataru cipher is written from right to left, top to bottom.

BAIN/OURWATCHER/FALLEN

Because this is a tombstone :) if you’re wondering what a Watcher is, it’s explained. ovks had a limited dlc for payday 2 called the “completely overkill pack” and there happened to be a certain mask description for a particular one…

Watchers in the book of Enoch were angels who wanted to be with human women and were punished for that… however we’re not sure if the book of Enoch is canon to payday lore (even though it mentions Nephilim) so I say that Watchers are aliens. Generally. Something very not human.

It makes the meaning of that translation interesting. It gives depth to other weird details that are in the game.

Like in the contact database, Bain says something along the lines of “I am the gatekeeper, or the watchman, if you will.” and “whatever I tell you might be a lie to protect myself. If I told you the truth, you wouldn’t believe me” and if the truth is that Bain is actually the gang’s Watcher, it makes sense.

“I don’t see how it could’ve gone this way, but I’m only human.” I mean, mostly. It’s not technically a lie

Bain is partially human, since he was “born.” He also mentions him having a grandpa who went heisting (big bank stealth) so I would say that the alien stuff is somewhere in his lineage.

He’s very apologetic when a mission fails, by the way. I would speculate that he’s like that because of Hoxton’s arrest but he was like that since the first game. I wonder what he’s trying to make up for :)

All the jokes would have deeper meaning if Bain is an alien of some sort

In the Mega Watcher mask description, it says “they communicate using their minds.” It would fit into how you hear Bain’s voice clearly through even flash bangs, but nobody else’s. There’s actually no official content (that I know of) depicting Bain talking to his crew over earpieces. It’s not like ovks hadn’t modeled earpieces before, look at the guards in the train transport heist! Each time they talk to Bain it’s always over the phone (comic collaboration)

(official Locke and Load comic)

He’s also able to talk to his crew after the EMP bomb goes off in Boiling Point (which took out a whole facility PLUS superhumans)

in that last part he can somehow see what the player is doing as if he has cameras in their masks… except that couldn’t be. Because it shouldn’t be working. If you take the briefcase before Bain asks you to, he has a few different lines like “how did you know I needed that briefcase?” “You read my mind,” and “are you psychic or something?”

and if Bain is a Watcher, these quotes are hilarious. It was right there all along!

“(They) use their large eyes” take a look at the color of the Watcher mask.

Bain’s favorite color is blue. We know it’s true because Crimenet’s color scheme is blue… and Bain’s eyes are blue too. Coincidence? …Maybe. I’m not ruling it out. It would be messed up considering what happens to one of his eyes. My dude got nerfed. and was probably experimented on if what Locke says is anything to go by

“to witness, gather and share information” could they mean the way that the crew can somehow see through walls? How Bain can highlight objectives for you if you can’t find something? Nobody can hide from him.

Bain wears a fleur de lis ring on the pinkie of his right hand. Yes, like the guide of bain

(Something I want to point out, bain is terrible at lying to his team actually. Sooo the detection meter is just future Russian glasses? Yeaahhh sure Bain)

I guess this definitely isn’t mind control or any sort of skill *cough cough* joker *cough* There’s one last thing I want to put down here because it was never explained in canon.

HONESTLY NOT SURE WHAT THIS IS. Could it be the “Watcher of the Star?” is it Bain’s ancestor? or is Bain immortal somehow I don’t know but no normal guy would just have this laying around XD

Bottom line is that if Bain isn’t then he’s definitely SUSPICIOUS. Just putting that out there.

[darkdefender420]